What Wright is saying is not that radical - he's just pointing out latent truths which most Christians know but few understand entirely. Most Christians recognise that God will re-create the earth but fail to put 2 and 2 together - this means heaven is not our final destination. I was raised on the "Left Behind" myth but even I knew that God will create a 'new heaven and a new earth' and make it our home. I just failed to connect all the dots. What Wright is saying is perfectly orthodox.
@mcdinkity Ok this is going to be a 2 part message& question not only for u but anyone on here that has an answer i know some just say its shit,but experiences I had made me what i am I am above i q im and artist thati dont buy into everything traditional im seeing prophecy fulfilled today learning of the nwo illuminati bloodline the origans of the star children the rothchilds the bankers and alex jones teachings id suguest looking it up,I had 3 close family members die earley now pt 2
@deanrps pt 2 after the deaths in my life i was a young boy i started obeseeing wanting to know my brother dad& nephew is ok i had such crippeling anxiety& panic attacks i started questioning my kids fate& everyone i love praying there not headed for eternal torture seriously i started taking xanax then opiates like morphine&heroin to funtion it is ca crippeling withdraw with not fear but terror, i was taught that john 3;16 sys shalt not perish wich means the 2nd death u are no more i have sined
@deanrps to me it sounds like your having some mental health issues if i were you id chill out a bit and stop believing the crap you read on the internet
That is where Bishop Tom Wright is gaining his information through the text. It is not something being made up for his own feeling of self accomplishment or to change the views of so called "Christians" every where. He is just informing the world of the misconceptions, and misinterpretations that people are believing in without even reading the scripture throughly to find its truth.
That is where Bishop Tom Wright is gaining his information through the text. It is not something being made up for his own feeling of self accomplishment or to change the views of so called "Christians" every where. He is just informing the world of the misconceptions, and misinterpretations that people are believing in without even reading the scripture throughly to find its truth.
thats where Bishop Tom Wright is gaining his information through the text. It is not something being made up for his own feeling of self accomplishment or to change the views of so called "Christians" every where. He is just informing the world of the misconceptions, and misinterpretations that people are believing in without even reading the scripture throughly to find its truth.
@LadyLillianContessa See the multitude of NDE experiencers here on YT. See the results of Dr Melvin Morse and other investigators in this field. Psychic conversations with the 'dead', ghosts are all evidence of the afterlife. Check out victorzammit,com for scientific proof.
Common man`s reasons why god does not exist A) total absence from from natural events, No sig of a god before, during or after natural events. B)The total absence of favoritism towards believers. Even church steeples need lightning rods for protection against god.C) The absence of any reaction, when crimes are committed in his name. D) The suffering of the innocent. One could accept suffering of the guilty, but little children
I have seen this bishop before, with all due respect, he often diagrees with the New Testament authors, and believes his own version of God's plan. There will be a Rapture, there will be a New Heaven and New Earth, everything in God's time plan. I believe exactly what Jesus says thanks!
@SavedSinner71 : HE (Wright) says there will be a new Heaven and a new Earth! HE believes exactly what Jesus says! It's YOU who's creatively adding the rapture doctrine that wasn't even believed by Christians until the early 20th century! Yes, Paul speaks of the "taking up into the air", but Jesus speaks of the transformation of heaven and Earth that Wright absolutely affirms!
Hi Bishop, if you are not ready to go to heaven, better join Jehovah witness church right away. And never make Jesus Christ a liar. For Jesus Christ said he has gone to prepare new heaven and new earth for us, his father God the Almighty and the Holy Spirit. Because God can not with stand heaven and earth that the satan have defiled. Also God is not interested in living us alone again. but to live with us and cherish us, in other shame to be for satan and his agents that are deceiving you.
the dear " bishop" is talking through his elbows. he intelectualises these very spiritual matters. i WONDER WHAT HE FELT WHEN HE PAST ON--I pay my respects for his rlatives. hopefuly they dont folow his slimy lack of faith. if i have got this wrong. well i ask for your forgiveness.
concernrng bishop wrights comentary about death being "a monster". bishop wright is wrong. solomon said that better is the day of ones death that the day of ones birth. he is like the ezequel 37 a false prophet ie, the blind leading the blind. that poor fool didnt even beleive in the holy spirit or even in the divinity of Jesus Christ.. 2 the fool had said in his heart , their is no God. he wasa fool..may God have mercy on the poor misguided sapos that folowed him.
@Frogstomp121 :: You ask the same questions Carlton Pearson asked. He got new information which he called the Gospel of Inclusion. You will find at least part of your answer there.
My question is ... what if you are born into this world with a malfunctioning brain and are deemed not to understand anything , do you still have this other life when you die? have we as humans got so intelligent and asking , that we just can't believe we just live and die , we are so vain that we can't believe our intelligence won't live on.. Where does a fox go when it dies?
@backyardandrew you go to hell because you commited murder by taking a life. though it was yours you still took a life that coulbnt affected the world in some way.
Taking your own life or a nother is wrong & a sin, but it dosen't mean your going to hell, what determines where u go when u die is what u believe in, thats y Christ shed his blood on the cross to pay for all sins, if u have proffessed to him asking for 4 giveness of your sins & believe he is the son of God & died 4 u so you can have everlasting life u will be saved, its a gift for us to recieve, there is no sin that God will not forgive Christ paid it all for those who will believeth in him.
Centuries before Muhammad the oneness of God was expressed superbly in the OT and no Christian ever denies it. Hinduism (in the form of Shankara's advaita) goes even further and says that all is one, as do mystics in all religions, including Islam (Rumi: "There is no god. But God"). So the fact that the Q stresses the oneness of God doesn't really make Islam very special. We're all equal, Judge, because none of us understand God.
Why can't people just try and stay with what they know? The bishop is obviously an intelligent man, but he can't resist the temptation to fantasize about 'life after life after death' because otherwise he would see no purpose in life. Why doesn't he stay with what he sees and doesn't see? Don't imagine you're doing good by comforting other people with knowledge you don't really possess.
A thought experiment: remove one bad thing from the world as we know it (for instance disease or war) and then think of all the consequences of such an 'adjustment'. THE WORLD WOULD BE CHANGED BEYOND RECOGNITION AND COMPREHENSION.
BesACB. A Muslim is one who submits his will to Allah(GOD). If you research you will find a common message in all religions - namely that GOD is one and worship Him. However, all have them lost/changed the message over time (except ISLAM) . Even the Hindu scriptures say GOD is one and there is no likeness (pic or statue etc of him) yet they worship idols. The Bible says there is no likness of him (in the sky, sea or earth) yet they make statues and pray to them.
Judge, all socalled scientific miracles of the Q evaporate on even the most superficial of inspections. The detail is lacking, the explanatory context is lacking, the necessary terminology is lacking, there's simply nothing there. What scientific breakthrough do we owe to the Q? Name ONE, even a very minor, scientific discovery that the world owes to the Q! No Muslim has ever come up with an answer yet. Not surprising, because there is no reasonable answer but ......uhm...uhm...eh...
Judge, think hard about the concept of idolatry. There's very little harm in making a statue representing God or some other heavenly being, in spite of what the Old Testament said and what the Qur'an repeated after the OT. The danger is in making God a fixed idea, trying to pin him down to one theory, prophet or book. In that sense ALL fundamentalists are idolaters. Bibliolatry (book-worship) is a form of idolatry. Putting a prophet or a guru on a superhuman pedestal is idolatry.
Rapture is a special theory based on a few verses in 1Tess 4 and linked with Daniel 9 and Revelation 4:1 in some strange ways - most Christians do not see rapture at all in 1Tess 4, you only see it when it's explained to you that way in the first place. However, almost all Christians believe in the return of Jesus Christ - that's a big difference. Christians shouldn't think that to throw aside the rapture idea is the same thing as denying the coming back of Christ.
If you want to know where we come from , why we are here, what will happen to us in the hereafter and what will happen on Judgement Day then read the QURAN. Its all there - directly from GOD.
BesACB A vapid claim ? NO . Islam has the only word of GOD -QURAN preserved since its revelation. The QURAN is a a living miracle which Allah has taken upon himself to preserve under Judgement Day. It contains many proofs for the modern science orientated atheists/agnostics etc - see "QURAN and SCIENCE" videos. Also most people mis-understand the word Islam. Islam mean submission to the will of GOD. Also Muhammad(Peace be upon him) was not the founder of Islam but its last prophet.
Judge, the very influential German theologian Karl Barth made much of the distinction between 'Gottesdienst' and 'Religion'. Both mean 'religion', but as the Barthians say, the former applies to Christianity (the worship of God as God wants to be worshiped), while the latter applies to other religions, which may be well-meant but are essentially man-made. This is in fact a fancy way of saying Christianity is true and the other religions aren't. It's a smug and arrogant claim.
the rapture is real? the bible doesn't lie. Dude the rapture isn't mentioned in the bible or anywhere else. Just another one of those trailer park ammendments to the bible people like to make. trinity anyone?
I see where your coming from, there is a reason I left the catholic church. But you should seriously read some of this guys stuff, he is the most down to earth theologian i've read, he has a lot of love for people it's pretty cool to see in a bishop for a change. Just a thought.
A little hard to digest sometimes but very excellent work indeed. I am working through "the new testament and the people of God" right now, great book, a bit of a slow beginning but it gets really deep quick.
This might departure from what's commonly accepted, but this is not radical from what the Bible says...we were meant to live on earth, not in heaven...read the Bible!!!
"How can a child who dies very young or a person who lives to be 100 be judged the same?"-Frog, I am a Christian and I agree with you-I don't actually believe Bible teaches thier view re. all sin beig the same to God, except in 1 verse which is taken out of context. Re. people who have not heard the Goodnews, that is the crux of the matter, the Goodnews is Goodnews, an invitation and annouciation of a coming Kingdom. Even Paul says we are judged by our works.
"...and of the tribal people living in the middle of nowhere who have no outside contact and no idea what Christianity or Jesus are?"-sorry I thought I did answer that-God judges by works. The concept of Goodnews is, Goodnews, that God's kingdom has drawn near and the corrupt rulers of the world will be replaced by a just ruler (whom was himself murdered by the powers that be, but whom God vindicated)-it is an invitation, a chance for people to repent.
I believe this is contextually accurate, though it will not be the common answer. The reason for this is people take statements out of context and apply them as the rule with out understanding the bigger literary picture. If you ask most Christians what the Gospel is, they will argue justification via faith-and that is not what it is saying-a man is justified via faith (but even that is misunderstood), but that is not what the Evangel is specifically-it is about the rule of God,as Wright says.
peach, hi, he isn't saying anything like Jehovahs witnesses, though it may seem similar. Jw's actually teach that a special class go to heaven, the 144000, the rest are on earth and apart from God, Wright is saying there is total unification and all believers will be with God. And contrary to what the interview said, he is espousing the traditional view, even the Catholic Church teaches bodily resurrection at the end.
If everyone was a perfect Christian then no one would judge anyone, the bible says no man can judge another man, only God. The bible says no man can forgive sins except for God as well, a lot of things in the bible get misconstrued or people use it as an excuse to do something evil. ( ex. Spanish Inquisition) That's the problem with religion too many greasy people use it for their own selfish means.
I believe a person is judged by everything they think, say, and do, and it isn't up to random strangers to make judgments on others' lives, especially when these strangers are judging others without knowing all the details or the whole picture. I believe we are our own judge and worst enemy.
weather born rich or poor,die young or old,god knows our intentions,our thoughts and action's,once we pass that test or dont,that will be judged will be.
this life is like a vapor,gone and forgotten.this ant no time to be cool, only the "love" you shared and given,and or hate,none physics of thoughts and reactions,will be graced apon...follow gods ten comandments and have fun with life,for life is a gift...and be thanfull for every thing.
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Tell that Bishop to shut the fuck up please... he knows fuck all about life after death... he knows exactly the same about it as everyone else... just becasue he is religious and a bishop doesnt give him knowledge about life after death.... we can only know about it when we get there... or when we dont
It may have parallels to the Muslim view, but what Bishop Wright is saying is (no pun intended) right. 1 Corinthians 15 says,
"For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ." (v. 22,23)
The biblical concept of heaven is always tied to the resurrection of the dead, which in that time was an eschatological category; it referred to an event at the end of time.
Actually, the concept you are speaking of is found in the Old Testament or Hebrew Torah, which was written long before the Koran. Like many other aspects of the Jewish faith, what you are speaking of was taken from the Torah and carried over into Islamic faith when it was "finalized" in written form much later than the Torah.
So what happens if I go to heaven and prefer to be some abstract formless entity, must I be reincarnated in some carnal paradise? I'd rather be larger than a petty little person on some happy planet. I'd like to think I can become non-dualistic, and non-localized. Shed the self entirely and see what's left is the idea.
Hells yeah! Maybe if there is truly existence (life after death), we can team up with like minded egos to become a data stream of pure consciousness. Cool people like us can become a formless flux resonance while other beings can revel in their insignificant paradise illusion of flesh and petty ego desires.
Sadly, pop Christianity has made so many think this. N.T. Wright has a refreshingly clean hermeneutic regarding this issue. I grow weary of this "radical departure from traditional Christian belief." It's not departure. Pop Christianity and the claims of escapism is closer to Buddhism than orthodox Christianity.
Salvation in St Paul's letters is all about the renewal of creation, and humanity being trusted once more with the stewardship of the earth. The greatest thing we can do to glorify God is to look after the Earth he has created - whether Eden (which we ballsed up a bit) or the promised land (which Israel ballsed up because of its unfaithfulness). At the end of days, however, we're going to inherit the whole Earth, so we better make sure we can look after it as best we can.
This is not a new idea whatsoever. It exists within every Othodox, Catholic, and Protestant confession that deals with this subject. It is just a matter of emphesis.
The hope of New Creation and Resurrection is a part of traditional Christianity. It is just that too much emphasis has been placed on the "intermediate" state of life after death.
"The Rapture" is a fabrication created by popular Christian-Bookstore authors. The word "rapture" exist nowhere in the Bible.
200 years ago Christians had a much better understanding of the afterlife and unanimously believed everyone would be literally resurrected after Christ's final judgment. To deny the universal resurrection is to deny the Bible. They also understood that you were resurrected to eternal life or eternal damnation ... concepts rejected outright by most Christians today.
agree or not but please research this. christianity is evil; 1) friday 13th was a very lucky day in history through pagan tradition, the church made it a bad thing to make people hate pagans 2) churches were built in yew (the tree) groves because yew groves were sacred to druids so they built churches so people could not go there 3) christians lead the crusades. i know there is more to the story but how can people say that it is right to scare people into their faith. take a stand no religion!
1) The "unlucky" nature of Friday the 13th only appears in the 19th century. Many have tried to trace it back to earlier times on theories dealing with Norse mythology and the Knights Templar, but there is absolutely no evidence of it being considered unlucky prior to 150 years ago.
2) Taking over another religion's "holy sites" for your own when you replace it is a long standing practice that goes back to the pagans themselves.
in many of the chirstian ideals of "we are all equal" which is fair enough but the the pagan rituals were odd numbers because the earth is of more importance than anyone so it is represented by the odd number but chruches refute that by saying the earth is irrelevant and only god should be worshipped i am aware of all arguments and you raised some good points but the more i look into it the more the church has destroyed other faiths by force which is fundamentaly wrong even to christians
friday 13 was the day that the knights templers wer murderd from the french king .,.,its where it started ,..,its a bad luck day from ther on for christians,.,.stupid superstition
I agree it's a stupid superstition but there is no evidence that points to that being the actual start. Friday the 13th being unlucky doesn't actually show up until the last few centuries. People have tried to find links to earlier superstitions - one involving Norse gods is another popular one - but there is no actual evidence. The problem is you can't really use a medieval link to a modern superstition.
The Knights' Templar story is just that - a story. It has been popularized again by Dan Brown but, like most of Brown's "research", is nonsense. The date of the suppression (October 13, 1307) was a Friday - on the GREGORIAN calander. But that would not be introduced for centuries. In 1307, they were still using the Julian calander and it was not a Friday.
There is also a story that it originates from the explosion in the key ordinance factory for the confederacy on Friday March 13, 1863 that destroyed both ordinance and machinery. When a makeshift factory was built to repalce it, the timing of the ordinance was off and caused the Army of Northern Virginia all sorts of probems at Gettysburg. I have no idea if the facts on that are true or if it is actually the origin but at least it meets the right timeframe.
3) The Crusades were a military counterattack after two centuries of constant Muslim attacks on Christian lands. Arab armies had conquered the entire Mideast, North Africa, and Spain and had denied Christian pilgrims access to their holy sites. Lots of blood was spilled on both sides but this was hardly an unprovoked attack.
okay i put my hands up about the crusades i just looked into it and your right i am wrong but holy sites was a christian borne practice as pagans found sites but never claimed them that is the point of paganism nature belongs to no-one. and as for friday 13th how far back it goes is irrelevant the christian church made people believe it was unlucky to revoke pagan and druid faiths odd numbers are huge in pagan practice 3579 are all used on a daily basis and in culture as well as faith
Do you even know what an anti-Christ is? It's someone who is against Christ. You need to read Matt 7:16-21 to determine who does and doesn't fit that profie. Clue: actions speak louder than words.
In other words, Wright does not fit the anti-Christ profile.
Wright is right on the money here, and I'm not nor ever will belong to his church.
NT Wright is most definitely NOT departing from "traditional Christianity" - he is working to restore the damage that Evangelicalism has done to accurate eschatology. His theology is squarely in line with what authentic Christians have always believed.
Yes, its a historical fact. In fact, it's somewhat an anomaly for most historians because all the old arguments against it have shown to be untrue. You can check this out for yourself - famous historians are agreeing that the evidence FOR the resurrection is overwhelming. In fact, historians who disagree are on the fringe movements.
You must approach this subject with a historian approach, not a scientific approach; scientists are not historians, and none of history is studied any other way.
I have no use for religion either. Religion has made a heck of a lot of people angry, destroyed countless lives, and has no real and true benefit to the world at all.
But Jesus isn't a religion, He is a person. I hate religion as much as you but Jesus is a whole different kettle of fish. But just because people have made a religion out of Him doesn't mean that I have to. It also doesn't mean that I should discount historical facts (his life and resurrection) because of what religion has done.
Jesus Resurrection is a historical fact? You're joking, right? Please stop eqauting faith with fact. You can believe, but you can not know the unknowable.
Anyone who can not admit that they simply don't know the unknowable are not worth a second thought. There is no point in "discussing" anything when someone maintains a lie. Claiming to know the unknowable is a lie. Those making such a claim are liars. I have no use for them.
Life is beautiful, I need no God or faith to know this. It takes a lot of brainwashing from religious zealots to make people believe otherwise. Religion teaches their followers to never be satisfied, to always ask for, pray for and expect MORE!
I'm perfectly content with my ONE life, it brings me plenty of happiness. Religious zealots demand MORE, they must live forever in heavenly bliss.
Sorry, but I prefer the reality of this life to your fantasy alternative. I'm 100% happy. Are you?
Sure man, you tell that to those who live in dire poverty and oppression. They obviously must be quite a selfish lot to want MORE; to actually want to LIVE. No amount of brainwashing is required to make them realise something is WRONG with this world.
Maybe you need to realise there's a bigger picture here that goes far beyond you and your own world.
Did I ask you to envy me? No. Was I trying to sell something to you? No. Seems like you missed the point; and I question whether you do live in reality.
How does your worldview ensure that there is justice in the world? It doesn't. Your worldview is all about you. Mine cares about transforming this world to a place where there is real love and justice. Your worldview doesn't even have a base to draw concepts like love and justice from. It can't account for the complexities of this life.
Bishop Wright is NOT teaching a non-traditional interpretation of Christian doctrine. In the Old Testament, the new heaven and earth are foretold, as they are in the New Testament, as all Christians hold today. I must question the knowledge and the competence of Nightline...
Atheists don't need escapism from reality. Life is beautiful, and it ends in death. Atheists gladly accept their mortality; believers desperately search for another way, but can't turn any of the wonderful stories into facts.
God never said anything, nor will He. God was invented by people whose motives are self-service. All humans who were ever born have died or will die. There has never been even one exception. Accept this most basic fact of life, or enjoy your chosen form of escapism.
It's not about "prefering" anything, it's about not believing silly fairy tales.
Atheist in comparison to believers are living much better lives of good deeds, without expectation of rewards, and free of fear to be punished. People of faith are motivated by rewards and punishment, just like small children who want to get presents and don't want to be spanked. Easy concept, but not sincere. I do good deeds because it's the right thing, and it makes me happy. I need no ghost stories to be good.
If there is no God, then the statement that "life is beautiful" is merely a (easily contradicted) statement of faith. If there is no God, then life, for many people, is a horrid affair filled with meaningless disease and disaster, followed by a painful death. Gimme a break man: if there is no God, life is anything but beautiful. But if there is a God, then perhaps pain, death, tragedy, and dismay all have a point, a reason for existence. God's existence of the only hope we have of saying...
The Doctrine of Predestination makes God out to be a rapist.
God, being all-knowing, would have to know the final destiny of each and every person, but it's not by His design that any perish.
As for Bishop Wright, I'm happy to see someone who exercises good exegesis, as opposed to the eisegesis so commonly practiced by mainstream Christianity.
I asked my Christian friend whether or not he believed that God knows a person's destiny before he creates them, in other words creates a destiny for them. So if people DO go to hell, he's and any other person that agrees, is saying that God creates people KNOWING they'll go to hell, in other words, he creates people solely for the purpose of eternal suffering. Sounds like a cruel God.
If I were Bishop Wright, I would be furious at how ABC News twisted this and put words in my mouth. The narrator says things that Wright neither says nor implies. Notice how his answers are edited... for instance, after asking if he believes in the rapture, they cut off his answer after "no..", when he was clearly going to say more. Nor is his teaching in any way radical nor a departure from Christian Orthodoxy.
after no...bishop wanted to say that Bible teaches the post-tribulation rapture not the pre-tribulation rapture. It will be like in the days of Noah - Noah survived but none believers didnt.
actually Bishop Wright would not be for a rapture. Reason being, he doesn't believe in a tribulation. That's probably where he was going after "no." The tribulation, according to Wright (and the Bible)is something LONG past... it was the period between 65-70AD during the Roman destruction of Jerusalem. Wright would even go as far as to say that Jesus wasn't literally prophesying a tribulation at all.
The anrrator here is ignorant - NT Wright's view is not a change from the traditional one. He is just going back to what the early Christians believed. And in any case the mainstream churches still teach about the second coming and the resurrection of the dead in the creeds, it is just that in popular Christianity people focus more on "going to Heaven" after death, which is what this bishop criticises
I'm impressed- as a graduate student in theology, I can assure that this view is completely in line with orthodoxy.
For more information on how we find this interpretation, check out Revelation 21 and 22 about New Heaven and New Earth. Both chapters take place after the Great White Throne judgment, and both demonstrate a redemption that is common throughout the entire Bible.
The message of Jesus is redemption of all creation, the price paid was the cross, the assurance is the resurrection.
how is this "radical"? it should be obvious to anyone who reads 1 Corinthians 15. I myself came to this realization before I heard of N.T Wright's defense of this.
k i need someone to help me out cos ive been paranoid the last week about what will happen there's nothing else i can think about atm and i want to think bout something else! i need some sort of help! i know youtube isn't the best way to do it! but i desparately need to be enlightened! please anybody! no haters making me even more panicky! im 16 and i need some help! thanks i know there's some inteligent people out there who can help me cheers!
What happens after death? Nothing. Nothing happens. Your dead. Live a good life, contribute something to the future. Death is no monster, it may be inconvinent, but you can't stop it, so just have a good day and your set.
You can't defeat death, thats like saying I defeated space, or matter, or math, or physics, no mater how hard anyone tries, those things like death will remain constant. Everything dies, or at least reverts to a less complex structure. Don't let it freak you out, you can't stop it, so just let it be.
20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
How was he raised from the dead? What was the cause of death? Where are the medical reports?
If death came through man, why did species before man die? If the resurection comes from man, why do all humans not come back after death? What do the medical reports show after Mr. Christ supposadly came back from the dead?
24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
Yahweh defeated death through the resurection of His son, through the spirit of Holiness. I cannot defeat death but i can repent and follow Christ, the one who has.
Okay, so explain to me what all that means, use your theory in an every day application. How does the physical application of what your saying funtion?
What you are refering to is "Physical Death", yet for those in Christ we may physically die because of Adams sin in Gen 2/3, but we do not remain dead. We, in the same order of the Messiah shall be raised from the dead physically, at the second coming of Jesus Christ. Where are the reports? Well the first fruits of the resurection is the Jesus. If you do not believe that then everything else i say will be in vain. I cannot convince you of the resurection, but i will do my best to persuade you.
Sorry, I need physical evidence to be persuaded. Can you imagine if a crime scene investigator did not investigate and just believed what happed? Sometimes they may be right, but for the most part, Innocent people would pay, the guilty would enjoy life.
That would be a scary place to live on the chance of hoping to be right, without taking the step to investigate. If what you believe is true then so be it, I could not hope to change you no more then you have of changing me.
The absence of his body would be the evidence. There is proof that Jesus lived, died and his body disappeared.
Christianity is in full support of investigating what you believe before you believe it. Lee Strobel would be a good example.
Look to see what you feel is true (not what feels good or is easiest) I constantly test and check what I believe and found the Bible to be the most true.
Good luck in your search for answers and understand Christians also investigate what they believe.
So your only evidence is a missing body? That would defiantly hold up in court. :/ "See! There is no body! I told you he got up and left!"
"Christians also investigate what they believe?" So your saying they are ignoring the overwhelming evidence that the stories in the bible either never happened at all, or were horribly exaggerated?
There is both archaeological and historical that makes the Bible more historically accurate than the works of plato or aristotle. However, you must decide if the authors were telling the truth or not.
I have decided they are, you have decided the aren't. But you shouldn't be angry at someone just because they don't agree with you.
Difference between science and religion is science is based on observation and changes as we learn more. Religion is based on superstition and people die who do not agree.
The bible hasn't been re-written for a good thousand years or so. The bible promotes slavery, prostitution, sacrifices and above all things, war. Science has brought some horrible things as well but we learn and find new and better ways to evolve ourselves. In science we change religion we destroy ourselves.
NO! A missing body is NOT the only evidence. Meetings with Jesus after His crucifixion by groups of people in public view is another strong piece of evidence. An empty tomb and meetings with Jesus hold up nicely to scrutiny.
I have more evidence that I ruled most of Egypt for a thousand years, that the Sun rotates around the moon, and that the key to world peace can be found by reciting the pledge of allegiance backwards while spinning. So how can what you say be true?
This is plain ignorance. Apparently you haven't done any research on the subject. Just about every scholar in the subject, even critical scholars, agree that the apostles, Paul, and groups of people at least think they saw Jesus alive after His crucifixion.
WE WILL FINED OUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DIE SO FOR NOW ENJOY YOUR LIFE
TheAnthonyrivera 3 weeks ago
The spirit is life and the ones that Christ accepts to live in His eternal kingdom will have new bodies to live in on the new earth.
But in the meantime we must be born again of the Holy Spirit.
The letter kills but the spirit gives life.
BIBLEisMARKofBEAST 3 months ago
What Wright is saying is not that radical - he's just pointing out latent truths which most Christians know but few understand entirely. Most Christians recognise that God will re-create the earth but fail to put 2 and 2 together - this means heaven is not our final destination. I was raised on the "Left Behind" myth but even I knew that God will create a 'new heaven and a new earth' and make it our home. I just failed to connect all the dots. What Wright is saying is perfectly orthodox.
AchillesShield 5 months ago
what an asshole !
SuperRenata23 5 months ago
Death is the last enemy, taste and see that the Lord is good..
flash91214 7 months ago
dont waste your time reading the bible coz its shit
mcdinkity 7 months ago
@mcdinkity Dont bother reading the god delusion or god is not great cause there pretty boring and make your head explode with driveling non sense
jamaicanification 6 months ago
@mcdinkity Ok this is going to be a 2 part message& question not only for u but anyone on here that has an answer i know some just say its shit,but experiences I had made me what i am I am above i q im and artist thati dont buy into everything traditional im seeing prophecy fulfilled today learning of the nwo illuminati bloodline the origans of the star children the rothchilds the bankers and alex jones teachings id suguest looking it up,I had 3 close family members die earley now pt 2
deanrps 5 months ago
@deanrps pt 2 after the deaths in my life i was a young boy i started obeseeing wanting to know my brother dad& nephew is ok i had such crippeling anxiety& panic attacks i started questioning my kids fate& everyone i love praying there not headed for eternal torture seriously i started taking xanax then opiates like morphine&heroin to funtion it is ca crippeling withdraw with not fear but terror, i was taught that john 3;16 sys shalt not perish wich means the 2nd death u are no more i have sined
deanrps 5 months ago
@deanrps to me it sounds like your having some mental health issues if i were you id chill out a bit and stop believing the crap you read on the internet
mcdinkity 5 months ago
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Read Revelations 21
That is where Bishop Tom Wright is gaining his information through the text. It is not something being made up for his own feeling of self accomplishment or to change the views of so called "Christians" every where. He is just informing the world of the misconceptions, and misinterpretations that people are believing in without even reading the scripture throughly to find its truth.
curlym20 9 months ago
Read Revelations 21
That is where Bishop Tom Wright is gaining his information through the text. It is not something being made up for his own feeling of self accomplishment or to change the views of so called "Christians" every where. He is just informing the world of the misconceptions, and misinterpretations that people are believing in without even reading the scripture throughly to find its truth.
curlym20 9 months ago
read Revelations 21
thats where Bishop Tom Wright is gaining his information through the text. It is not something being made up for his own feeling of self accomplishment or to change the views of so called "Christians" every where. He is just informing the world of the misconceptions, and misinterpretations that people are believing in without even reading the scripture throughly to find its truth.
curlym20 9 months ago
wow. I used to be very impressed with Tom Wright's theology. I'm not so sure now.
newgeorge 10 months ago
@LadyLillianContessa See the multitude of NDE experiencers here on YT. See the results of Dr Melvin Morse and other investigators in this field. Psychic conversations with the 'dead', ghosts are all evidence of the afterlife. Check out victorzammit,com for scientific proof.
k0smon 1 year ago
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lizazoon 1 year ago
This is a rather polemic rendering of Tom Wright...
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Celsus1984 1 year ago
@LadyLillianContessa not everything can be proven by scientists. think about it.
TranThanhHai1 1 year ago
NOBLE QUR'AN ( surely ,unto your lord is the return)
Searcher4Heaven 1 year ago
I have seen this bishop before, with all due respect, he often diagrees with the New Testament authors, and believes his own version of God's plan. There will be a Rapture, there will be a New Heaven and New Earth, everything in God's time plan. I believe exactly what Jesus says thanks!
SavedSinner71 1 year ago
@SavedSinner71 There's no room for disagreement on interpretation with you, is there?
Hrugnir 1 year ago
@SavedSinner71 : HE (Wright) says there will be a new Heaven and a new Earth! HE believes exactly what Jesus says! It's YOU who's creatively adding the rapture doctrine that wasn't even believed by Christians until the early 20th century! Yes, Paul speaks of the "taking up into the air", but Jesus speaks of the transformation of heaven and Earth that Wright absolutely affirms!
mowriter 11 months ago
Hi Bishop, if you are not ready to go to heaven, better join Jehovah witness church right away. And never make Jesus Christ a liar. For Jesus Christ said he has gone to prepare new heaven and new earth for us, his father God the Almighty and the Holy Spirit. Because God can not with stand heaven and earth that the satan have defiled. Also God is not interested in living us alone again. but to live with us and cherish us, in other shame to be for satan and his agents that are deceiving you.
osakaomaka 1 year ago
duzz this guy no that it u are a read the bibil this stuff in there
this is not eney new stuff read the bibil
Seether57bmx 1 year ago
@Seether57bmx wtf is a BIBIL
romka4567 1 year ago
the dear " bishop" is talking through his elbows. he intelectualises these very spiritual matters. i WONDER WHAT HE FELT WHEN HE PAST ON--I pay my respects for his rlatives. hopefuly they dont folow his slimy lack of faith. if i have got this wrong. well i ask for your forgiveness.
49128 1 year ago
concernrng bishop wrights comentary about death being "a monster". bishop wright is wrong. solomon said that better is the day of ones death that the day of ones birth. he is like the ezequel 37 a false prophet ie, the blind leading the blind. that poor fool didnt even beleive in the holy spirit or even in the divinity of Jesus Christ.. 2 the fool had said in his heart , their is no God. he wasa fool..may God have mercy on the poor misguided sapos that folowed him.
49128 1 year ago
the "God" of the bible is a total asshole.
amyleoness 1 year ago
TH BISHOP NEEDS TO STUDY HIS BIBLE AGIN.
49128 1 year ago
The evidence is overwhelming about life after death. We never die. Our body will turn back to dirt and our spirit will carry on for eternity
TrueGreatness73 1 year ago
the bishop should look at near death experiences.
jackooboy1 1 year ago
@Frogstomp121 :: You ask the same questions Carlton Pearson asked. He got new information which he called the Gospel of Inclusion. You will find at least part of your answer there.
k0smon 1 year ago
So what, other religions are left behind except for Christians? Wow, god is racist.
Naturepheonix 1 year ago
@Naturepheonix Religion and race have nothing to do with each other.
RealBloppy 1 year ago
@RealBloppy That still doesn't answer what I said.
Naturepheonix 1 year ago
@fabrosin I agree with you, BUT SOME I am saying actually MOST
of these English bishops are just sinners, they drink they eat well, they live well, they even fuck around with hookers.
But some, I believe some are good, but they are soon to be gone nowadays with the influences from the media.
Naturepheonix 1 year ago
Heaven and Hell are NO REAL PLACES. Hell is 6 feet underground. Heaven is ????
lizazoon 1 year ago
My question is ... what if you are born into this world with a malfunctioning brain and are deemed not to understand anything , do you still have this other life when you die? have we as humans got so intelligent and asking , that we just can't believe we just live and die , we are so vain that we can't believe our intelligence won't live on.. Where does a fox go when it dies?
tarkstar99 1 year ago
Some people take their fairy tales a little too seriously it seems
damo2353 1 year ago
wow!
caleb4life2007 1 year ago
dont forget live your lives because life Is temporary and death is unknown
kostya92 1 year ago
@kostya92 ;; Death is known and has been known for a long time. See "Life in the World Unseen", you can download it from the internet.
k0smon 1 year ago
modim 3 how do you know?.... oh wait you don't. I wasjust kidding around but you are definately a phsycho
backyardandrew 2 years ago
where do you go if you kill yourself?
backyardandrew 2 years ago
@backyardandrew you go to hell because you commited murder by taking a life. though it was yours you still took a life that coulbnt affected the world in some way.
modim3 2 years ago
Taking your own life or a nother is wrong & a sin, but it dosen't mean your going to hell, what determines where u go when u die is what u believe in, thats y Christ shed his blood on the cross to pay for all sins, if u have proffessed to him asking for 4 giveness of your sins & believe he is the son of God & died 4 u so you can have everlasting life u will be saved, its a gift for us to recieve, there is no sin that God will not forgive Christ paid it all for those who will believeth in him.
JRMAN65 1 year ago
Centuries before Muhammad the oneness of God was expressed superbly in the OT and no Christian ever denies it. Hinduism (in the form of Shankara's advaita) goes even further and says that all is one, as do mystics in all religions, including Islam (Rumi: "There is no god. But God"). So the fact that the Q stresses the oneness of God doesn't really make Islam very special. We're all equal, Judge, because none of us understand God.
BesACB 2 years ago
Why can't people just try and stay with what they know? The bishop is obviously an intelligent man, but he can't resist the temptation to fantasize about 'life after life after death' because otherwise he would see no purpose in life. Why doesn't he stay with what he sees and doesn't see? Don't imagine you're doing good by comforting other people with knowledge you don't really possess.
BesACB 2 years ago
A thought experiment: remove one bad thing from the world as we know it (for instance disease or war) and then think of all the consequences of such an 'adjustment'. THE WORLD WOULD BE CHANGED BEYOND RECOGNITION AND COMPREHENSION.
BesACB 2 years ago
BesACB. A Muslim is one who submits his will to Allah(GOD). If you research you will find a common message in all religions - namely that GOD is one and worship Him. However, all have them lost/changed the message over time (except ISLAM) . Even the Hindu scriptures say GOD is one and there is no likeness (pic or statue etc of him) yet they worship idols. The Bible says there is no likness of him (in the sky, sea or earth) yet they make statues and pray to them.
JudgeD007 2 years ago
Judge, all socalled scientific miracles of the Q evaporate on even the most superficial of inspections. The detail is lacking, the explanatory context is lacking, the necessary terminology is lacking, there's simply nothing there. What scientific breakthrough do we owe to the Q? Name ONE, even a very minor, scientific discovery that the world owes to the Q! No Muslim has ever come up with an answer yet. Not surprising, because there is no reasonable answer but ......uhm...uhm...eh...
BesACB 2 years ago
Judge, think hard about the concept of idolatry. There's very little harm in making a statue representing God or some other heavenly being, in spite of what the Old Testament said and what the Qur'an repeated after the OT. The danger is in making God a fixed idea, trying to pin him down to one theory, prophet or book. In that sense ALL fundamentalists are idolaters. Bibliolatry (book-worship) is a form of idolatry. Putting a prophet or a guru on a superhuman pedestal is idolatry.
BesACB 2 years ago 2
"Stay with what you know". Maybe that's true spiritual asceticism.
IpsaPaphum 2 years ago
@IpsaPaphum But don't let that stop you from knowing more.
k0smon 1 year ago
Rapture is a special theory based on a few verses in 1Tess 4 and linked with Daniel 9 and Revelation 4:1 in some strange ways - most Christians do not see rapture at all in 1Tess 4, you only see it when it's explained to you that way in the first place. However, almost all Christians believe in the return of Jesus Christ - that's a big difference. Christians shouldn't think that to throw aside the rapture idea is the same thing as denying the coming back of Christ.
jcmmanuel 2 years ago 2
If you want to know where we come from , why we are here, what will happen to us in the hereafter and what will happen on Judgement Day then read the QURAN. Its all there - directly from GOD.
JudgeD007 2 years ago
A vapid claim.
BesACB 2 years ago
BesACB A vapid claim ? NO . Islam has the only word of GOD -QURAN preserved since its revelation. The QURAN is a a living miracle which Allah has taken upon himself to preserve under Judgement Day. It contains many proofs for the modern science orientated atheists/agnostics etc - see "QURAN and SCIENCE" videos. Also most people mis-understand the word Islam. Islam mean submission to the will of GOD. Also Muhammad(Peace be upon him) was not the founder of Islam but its last prophet.
JudgeD007 2 years ago
Judge, the very influential German theologian Karl Barth made much of the distinction between 'Gottesdienst' and 'Religion'. Both mean 'religion', but as the Barthians say, the former applies to Christianity (the worship of God as God wants to be worshiped), while the latter applies to other religions, which may be well-meant but are essentially man-made. This is in fact a fancy way of saying Christianity is true and the other religions aren't. It's a smug and arrogant claim.
BesACB 2 years ago
Give me a break, Where the hell did you get this pile of crap from?!
utubeboob9 2 years ago
haha i wouldent wont to spend the hole eternity singing to god
smola54 2 years ago
whats gods new creation after heaven ????
bojan5695852 2 years ago
the rapture is real? the bible doesn't lie. Dude the rapture isn't mentioned in the bible or anywhere else. Just another one of those trailer park ammendments to the bible people like to make. trinity anyone?
jacksolloway 2 years ago
2:34 we will get returned to a newly restored planet ? Well can I get a ferrari when I get back..black please?
sweet00976 2 years ago
What the hell is the illuminati symbol doing in this video?, in that painting...that can't be good...
TheZackarios 2 years ago
This is a classic heretic...the same garbage self righteous theology
dhood999 2 years ago
The rapture is real. The Bible doesn't lie
BRAAAAAAAT 2 years ago
But the people who wrote it may...
gamer05692 2 years ago
life after life is real, but this guy is confused.
jahlegion 2 years ago
I see where your coming from, there is a reason I left the catholic church. But you should seriously read some of this guys stuff, he is the most down to earth theologian i've read, he has a lot of love for people it's pretty cool to see in a bishop for a change. Just a thought.
munso089 2 years ago 8
Wright is Right. Read his books for some sophisticated scholarship.
postfacial 2 years ago 5
@postfacial i think even hitchens acknowledged wright as a respected scholar
thepickletrain 11 months ago
@postfacial
A little hard to digest sometimes but very excellent work indeed. I am working through "the new testament and the people of God" right now, great book, a bit of a slow beginning but it gets really deep quick.
95TurboSol 7 months ago
This might departure from what's commonly accepted, but this is not radical from what the Bible says...we were meant to live on earth, not in heaven...read the Bible!!!
achilles1963 2 years ago 3
well thanks for helping finding the truth by being negative :D
Eminade 2 years ago
very true.
angryman9 2 years ago
"How can a child who dies very young or a person who lives to be 100 be judged the same?"-Frog, I am a Christian and I agree with you-I don't actually believe Bible teaches thier view re. all sin beig the same to God, except in 1 verse which is taken out of context. Re. people who have not heard the Goodnews, that is the crux of the matter, the Goodnews is Goodnews, an invitation and annouciation of a coming Kingdom. Even Paul says we are judged by our works.
freezingstill 2 years ago
...and of the tribal people living in the middle of nowhere who have no outside contact and no idea what Christianity or Jesus are?
You know I asked that a month ago and just today I thought of it and how noone still could not give me an answer. Alright thanks.
Frogstomp121 2 years ago
"...and of the tribal people living in the middle of nowhere who have no outside contact and no idea what Christianity or Jesus are?"-sorry I thought I did answer that-God judges by works. The concept of Goodnews is, Goodnews, that God's kingdom has drawn near and the corrupt rulers of the world will be replaced by a just ruler (whom was himself murdered by the powers that be, but whom God vindicated)-it is an invitation, a chance for people to repent.
freezingstill 2 years ago
I believe this is contextually accurate, though it will not be the common answer. The reason for this is people take statements out of context and apply them as the rule with out understanding the bigger literary picture. If you ask most Christians what the Gospel is, they will argue justification via faith-and that is not what it is saying-a man is justified via faith (but even that is misunderstood), but that is not what the Evangel is specifically-it is about the rule of God,as Wright says.
freezingstill 2 years ago
he sounds like a jehovas witness. i read a watch tower and it says there is going to be a heaven on earth or something like that.
peachtree05 2 years ago
peach, hi, he isn't saying anything like Jehovahs witnesses, though it may seem similar. Jw's actually teach that a special class go to heaven, the 144000, the rest are on earth and apart from God, Wright is saying there is total unification and all believers will be with God. And contrary to what the interview said, he is espousing the traditional view, even the Catholic Church teaches bodily resurrection at the end.
freezingstill 2 years ago
If everyone was a perfect Christian then no one would judge anyone, the bible says no man can judge another man, only God. The bible says no man can forgive sins except for God as well, a lot of things in the bible get misconstrued or people use it as an excuse to do something evil. ( ex. Spanish Inquisition) That's the problem with religion too many greasy people use it for their own selfish means.
Trich1212 2 years ago
I believe a person is judged by everything they think, say, and do, and it isn't up to random strangers to make judgments on others' lives, especially when these strangers are judging others without knowing all the details or the whole picture. I believe we are our own judge and worst enemy.
Can no Christian / Catholic answer my question?
Frogstomp121 2 years ago
weather born rich or poor,die young or old,god knows our intentions,our thoughts and action's,once we pass that test or dont,that will be judged will be.
this life is like a vapor,gone and forgotten.this ant no time to be cool, only the "love" you shared and given,and or hate,none physics of thoughts and reactions,will be graced apon...follow gods ten comandments and have fun with life,for life is a gift...and be thanfull for every thing.
beatleme2 2 years ago
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Tell that Bishop to shut the fuck up please... he knows fuck all about life after death... he knows exactly the same about it as everyone else... just becasue he is religious and a bishop doesnt give him knowledge about life after death.... we can only know about it when we get there... or when we dont
andythomps 2 years ago
this bishop is speaking the Islamic concept of heaven,
when people die, they go a temporary place, and at the day of judgment, they will be again arise to face their deeds
asfar000 2 years ago
It may have parallels to the Muslim view, but what Bishop Wright is saying is (no pun intended) right. 1 Corinthians 15 says,
"For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ." (v. 22,23)
The biblical concept of heaven is always tied to the resurrection of the dead, which in that time was an eschatological category; it referred to an event at the end of time.
ishlael 2 years ago
Actually, the concept you are speaking of is found in the Old Testament or Hebrew Torah, which was written long before the Koran. Like many other aspects of the Jewish faith, what you are speaking of was taken from the Torah and carried over into Islamic faith when it was "finalized" in written form much later than the Torah.
NiennatheWise 2 years ago
Those who are born mentally retardart and underaged
children who could not reason out between right and
wrong will not be judged during Day of Judgment.They
will be placed in Heaven with God's willing.
They rest..even God's messengers need to answer.
May GOD bless us.
hbburgar 2 years ago
Everybody will be judged with his own book during Day of Judgement except
underaged children and mad person regardless his belief.
hbburgar 2 years ago
that is unbiblical. mad people will be judged, it is those who will receive gods grace that will escape the judgment.
MitchellJohnLeard 2 years ago
So what happens if I go to heaven and prefer to be some abstract formless entity, must I be reincarnated in some carnal paradise? I'd rather be larger than a petty little person on some happy planet. I'd like to think I can become non-dualistic, and non-localized. Shed the self entirely and see what's left is the idea.
AllahConsciousness 2 years ago
Sounds like your on the right track here.
mastertheillusion 2 years ago
Hells yeah! Maybe if there is truly existence (life after death), we can team up with like minded egos to become a data stream of pure consciousness. Cool people like us can become a formless flux resonance while other beings can revel in their insignificant paradise illusion of flesh and petty ego desires.
AllahConsciousness 2 years ago
This guy sounds like a Jehovah's Witness.
k0smon 2 years ago
Sadly, pop Christianity has made so many think this. N.T. Wright has a refreshingly clean hermeneutic regarding this issue. I grow weary of this "radical departure from traditional Christian belief." It's not departure. Pop Christianity and the claims of escapism is closer to Buddhism than orthodox Christianity.
JohnBenjaminShelton 2 years ago
rea the qur'an u'll get a better explanation
alimouful 2 years ago
Salvation in St Paul's letters is all about the renewal of creation, and humanity being trusted once more with the stewardship of the earth. The greatest thing we can do to glorify God is to look after the Earth he has created - whether Eden (which we ballsed up a bit) or the promised land (which Israel ballsed up because of its unfaithfulness). At the end of days, however, we're going to inherit the whole Earth, so we better make sure we can look after it as best we can.
xx1972 2 years ago 3
ask velluphillai prabhakaran, he just a few day die, he knows very well..
tonyshit80 2 years ago
All of us will go to Mc donalds..
tonyshit80 2 years ago
This is not a new idea whatsoever. It exists within every Othodox, Catholic, and Protestant confession that deals with this subject. It is just a matter of emphesis.
jgrig2 2 years ago
The hope of New Creation and Resurrection is a part of traditional Christianity. It is just that too much emphasis has been placed on the "intermediate" state of life after death.
Jesusmetalhead 2 years ago
MASONIC VIDEO, notice the PYRAMID represented as God
123patrick4567 2 years ago
KOSOVO IS SERBIA!!!
DjURA92ortodox38 2 years ago
"The Rapture" is a fabrication created by popular Christian-Bookstore authors. The word "rapture" exist nowhere in the Bible.
200 years ago Christians had a much better understanding of the afterlife and unanimously believed everyone would be literally resurrected after Christ's final judgment. To deny the universal resurrection is to deny the Bible. They also understood that you were resurrected to eternal life or eternal damnation ... concepts rejected outright by most Christians today.
davea0511 2 years ago 2
the word Trinity is nowhere to be found in Scriptures, either.
annelisefrench 2 years ago
I detect much fail among these, the commentors.
scooterskittles 2 years ago
agree or not but please research this. christianity is evil; 1) friday 13th was a very lucky day in history through pagan tradition, the church made it a bad thing to make people hate pagans 2) churches were built in yew (the tree) groves because yew groves were sacred to druids so they built churches so people could not go there 3) christians lead the crusades. i know there is more to the story but how can people say that it is right to scare people into their faith. take a stand no religion!
lordc0ntyb0ll0cks 2 years ago
There is a lot more to the story.
1) The "unlucky" nature of Friday the 13th only appears in the 19th century. Many have tried to trace it back to earlier times on theories dealing with Norse mythology and the Knights Templar, but there is absolutely no evidence of it being considered unlucky prior to 150 years ago.
2) Taking over another religion's "holy sites" for your own when you replace it is a long standing practice that goes back to the pagans themselves.
(cont'd)
labarum312 2 years ago
in many of the chirstian ideals of "we are all equal" which is fair enough but the the pagan rituals were odd numbers because the earth is of more importance than anyone so it is represented by the odd number but chruches refute that by saying the earth is irrelevant and only god should be worshipped i am aware of all arguments and you raised some good points but the more i look into it the more the church has destroyed other faiths by force which is fundamentaly wrong even to christians
lordc0ntyb0ll0cks 2 years ago
friday 13 was the day that the knights templers wer murderd from the french king .,.,its where it started ,..,its a bad luck day from ther on for christians,.,.stupid superstition
madhatfaesax 2 years ago
I agree it's a stupid superstition but there is no evidence that points to that being the actual start. Friday the 13th being unlucky doesn't actually show up until the last few centuries. People have tried to find links to earlier superstitions - one involving Norse gods is another popular one - but there is no actual evidence. The problem is you can't really use a medieval link to a modern superstition.
labarum312 2 years ago
The Knights' Templar story is just that - a story. It has been popularized again by Dan Brown but, like most of Brown's "research", is nonsense. The date of the suppression (October 13, 1307) was a Friday - on the GREGORIAN calander. But that would not be introduced for centuries. In 1307, they were still using the Julian calander and it was not a Friday.
labarum312 2 years ago 3
There is also a story that it originates from the explosion in the key ordinance factory for the confederacy on Friday March 13, 1863 that destroyed both ordinance and machinery. When a makeshift factory was built to repalce it, the timing of the ordinance was off and caused the Army of Northern Virginia all sorts of probems at Gettysburg. I have no idea if the facts on that are true or if it is actually the origin but at least it meets the right timeframe.
labarum312 2 years ago
3) The Crusades were a military counterattack after two centuries of constant Muslim attacks on Christian lands. Arab armies had conquered the entire Mideast, North Africa, and Spain and had denied Christian pilgrims access to their holy sites. Lots of blood was spilled on both sides but this was hardly an unprovoked attack.
labarum312 2 years ago
okay i put my hands up about the crusades i just looked into it and your right i am wrong but holy sites was a christian borne practice as pagans found sites but never claimed them that is the point of paganism nature belongs to no-one. and as for friday 13th how far back it goes is irrelevant the christian church made people believe it was unlucky to revoke pagan and druid faiths odd numbers are huge in pagan practice 3579 are all used on a daily basis and in culture as well as faith
lordc0ntyb0ll0cks 2 years ago
a lttle false prophet = n t wright
look the guy is from pagan england,
*death is a monster, most horrible*... pure anti-christ ..he talks fast so you have to listen carefully
and *IS God going to throw the whole world on the rubbish heap?,,of course NOT*, but this is EXACTLY what God allowed John to see in Revelations.
again he speaks pure anti-christ..and last lines are just too silly nonsense to make comment.
*many will come in my name, speaking lies, LEADING ASTRAY MANY*
paulfbest 2 years ago
It's Revelation, singular apokalupsis, not Revelations. Idiotic comment from an idiot.
HoramaPhone 2 years ago
Do you even know what an anti-Christ is? It's someone who is against Christ. You need to read Matt 7:16-21 to determine who does and doesn't fit that profie. Clue: actions speak louder than words.
In other words, Wright does not fit the anti-Christ profile.
Wright is right on the money here, and I'm not nor ever will belong to his church.
davea0511 2 years ago
NT Wright is most definitely NOT departing from "traditional Christianity" - he is working to restore the damage that Evangelicalism has done to accurate eschatology. His theology is squarely in line with what authentic Christians have always believed.
PastorCraigNC 2 years ago 4
Yes, its a historical fact. In fact, it's somewhat an anomaly for most historians because all the old arguments against it have shown to be untrue. You can check this out for yourself - famous historians are agreeing that the evidence FOR the resurrection is overwhelming. In fact, historians who disagree are on the fringe movements.
You must approach this subject with a historian approach, not a scientific approach; scientists are not historians, and none of history is studied any other way.
SeekTheFaceOfTruth 3 years ago
Look at how religion has made people angry. The ones believing it all are the angriest. How could this nonsense possibly be of benefit to anyone?
Sorry, but I have no use for religion. Please accept that and stop telling me to "pray over it" or other incredibly far fetched things.
polkadotbox2 3 years ago
I have no use for religion either. Religion has made a heck of a lot of people angry, destroyed countless lives, and has no real and true benefit to the world at all.
But Jesus isn't a religion, He is a person. I hate religion as much as you but Jesus is a whole different kettle of fish. But just because people have made a religion out of Him doesn't mean that I have to. It also doesn't mean that I should discount historical facts (his life and resurrection) because of what religion has done.
SeekTheFaceOfTruth 3 years ago 7
Jesus Resurrection is a historical fact? You're joking, right? Please stop eqauting faith with fact. You can believe, but you can not know the unknowable.
Anyone who can not admit that they simply don't know the unknowable are not worth a second thought. There is no point in "discussing" anything when someone maintains a lie. Claiming to know the unknowable is a lie. Those making such a claim are liars. I have no use for them.
I know my limitations. A liar doesn't.
polkadotbox2 3 years ago
Life is beautiful, I need no God or faith to know this. It takes a lot of brainwashing from religious zealots to make people believe otherwise. Religion teaches their followers to never be satisfied, to always ask for, pray for and expect MORE!
I'm perfectly content with my ONE life, it brings me plenty of happiness. Religious zealots demand MORE, they must live forever in heavenly bliss.
Sorry, but I prefer the reality of this life to your fantasy alternative. I'm 100% happy. Are you?
polkadotbox2 3 years ago
Sure man, you tell that to those who live in dire poverty and oppression. They obviously must be quite a selfish lot to want MORE; to actually want to LIVE. No amount of brainwashing is required to make them realise something is WRONG with this world.
Maybe you need to realise there's a bigger picture here that goes far beyond you and your own world.
SeekTheFaceOfTruth 3 years ago
I'm 100% content with this life, and have no problem with the fact that it will end. I will die and remain dead.
You are not satisfied with this life, you're not happy, yet you want ME to envy YOU?
Your faith seems to be all you have, since reality isn't good enough. To me reality is plenty. Why should I want your state of mind in trade for mine?
NO SALE!
polkadotbox2 3 years ago
Did I ask you to envy me? No. Was I trying to sell something to you? No. Seems like you missed the point; and I question whether you do live in reality.
How does your worldview ensure that there is justice in the world? It doesn't. Your worldview is all about you. Mine cares about transforming this world to a place where there is real love and justice. Your worldview doesn't even have a base to draw concepts like love and justice from. It can't account for the complexities of this life.
SeekTheFaceOfTruth 3 years ago 2
Bishop Wright is NOT teaching a non-traditional interpretation of Christian doctrine. In the Old Testament, the new heaven and earth are foretold, as they are in the New Testament, as all Christians hold today. I must question the knowledge and the competence of Nightline...
AnHonestChristian 3 years ago 2
Atheists don't need escapism from reality. Life is beautiful, and it ends in death. Atheists gladly accept their mortality; believers desperately search for another way, but can't turn any of the wonderful stories into facts.
God never said anything, nor will He. God was invented by people whose motives are self-service. All humans who were ever born have died or will die. There has never been even one exception. Accept this most basic fact of life, or enjoy your chosen form of escapism.
polkadotbox2 3 years ago
Atheists mostly probably prefer no 'life after death' and discount anything that suggests there is some kind of consciousness that is beyond temporal
JNdigital 3 years ago 2
It's not about "prefering" anything, it's about not believing silly fairy tales.
Atheist in comparison to believers are living much better lives of good deeds, without expectation of rewards, and free of fear to be punished. People of faith are motivated by rewards and punishment, just like small children who want to get presents and don't want to be spanked. Easy concept, but not sincere. I do good deeds because it's the right thing, and it makes me happy. I need no ghost stories to be good.
polkadotbox2 3 years ago
If there is no God, then the statement that "life is beautiful" is merely a (easily contradicted) statement of faith. If there is no God, then life, for many people, is a horrid affair filled with meaningless disease and disaster, followed by a painful death. Gimme a break man: if there is no God, life is anything but beautiful. But if there is a God, then perhaps pain, death, tragedy, and dismay all have a point, a reason for existence. God's existence of the only hope we have of saying...
shadow3772 3 years ago 2
"life is beautiful" reasonably.
shadow3772 3 years ago
The Doctrine of Predestination makes God out to be a rapist.
God, being all-knowing, would have to know the final destiny of each and every person, but it's not by His design that any perish.
As for Bishop Wright, I'm happy to see someone who exercises good exegesis, as opposed to the eisegesis so commonly practiced by mainstream Christianity.
tgatwood 3 years ago
MR FRANKETTE, only a few Christians believe such a monstrous doctrine. They're called Calvinists
StJamesCourt 3 years ago
quite inspiring
euvucan 3 years ago
I asked my Christian friend whether or not he believed that God knows a person's destiny before he creates them, in other words creates a destiny for them. So if people DO go to hell, he's and any other person that agrees, is saying that God creates people KNOWING they'll go to hell, in other words, he creates people solely for the purpose of eternal suffering. Sounds like a cruel God.
MRFRANKETTE 3 years ago
that what is says in the quran!
7beer 3 years ago
If I were Bishop Wright, I would be furious at how ABC News twisted this and put words in my mouth. The narrator says things that Wright neither says nor implies. Notice how his answers are edited... for instance, after asking if he believes in the rapture, they cut off his answer after "no..", when he was clearly going to say more. Nor is his teaching in any way radical nor a departure from Christian Orthodoxy.
elsnsamsmom 3 years ago
after no...bishop wanted to say that Bible teaches the post-tribulation rapture not the pre-tribulation rapture. It will be like in the days of Noah - Noah survived but none believers didnt.
iraqifighter1 3 years ago
actually Bishop Wright would not be for a rapture. Reason being, he doesn't believe in a tribulation. That's probably where he was going after "no." The tribulation, according to Wright (and the Bible)is something LONG past... it was the period between 65-70AD during the Roman destruction of Jerusalem. Wright would even go as far as to say that Jesus wasn't literally prophesying a tribulation at all.
tool2scream05 3 years ago
The anrrator here is ignorant - NT Wright's view is not a change from the traditional one. He is just going back to what the early Christians believed. And in any case the mainstream churches still teach about the second coming and the resurrection of the dead in the creeds, it is just that in popular Christianity people focus more on "going to Heaven" after death, which is what this bishop criticises
orlando098 3 years ago
I'm impressed- as a graduate student in theology, I can assure that this view is completely in line with orthodoxy.
For more information on how we find this interpretation, check out Revelation 21 and 22 about New Heaven and New Earth. Both chapters take place after the Great White Throne judgment, and both demonstrate a redemption that is common throughout the entire Bible.
The message of Jesus is redemption of all creation, the price paid was the cross, the assurance is the resurrection.
wshelor 3 years ago
N.T. Wright rocks!
caveatemp 3 years ago
N.T. Wright rocks.
sirensymbol 3 years ago
This is traditional Christianity. This is not a stray from it at all, the idea of heaven has just been misunderstood my "modern" christians.
joeraybray 3 years ago
I lost interest when 9/11 was mentioned, but then again, why did i expect anything else from the corporate media?
I'll keep my freedom, so go scare somebody else into submission.
I'm sure the video would have been nice, so i'll rate the good parts i saw :)
crazymoo56 3 years ago
"radical departure"
how is this "radical"? it should be obvious to anyone who reads 1 Corinthians 15. I myself came to this realization before I heard of N.T Wright's defense of this.
migkillertwo 3 years ago
k i need someone to help me out cos ive been paranoid the last week about what will happen there's nothing else i can think about atm and i want to think bout something else! i need some sort of help! i know youtube isn't the best way to do it! but i desparately need to be enlightened! please anybody! no haters making me even more panicky! im 16 and i need some help! thanks i know there's some inteligent people out there who can help me cheers!
muckingfagick 3 years ago
What exactly are you worried about? It will be easier to talk about it if I know exactly what is troubling you. :)
valmaebel 3 years ago
What happens after death? Nothing. Nothing happens. Your dead. Live a good life, contribute something to the future. Death is no monster, it may be inconvinent, but you can't stop it, so just have a good day and your set.
wallcrawler50 3 years ago
Death actually is a monster, but was defeated by the resurection of Jesus Christ. Death no longer has a "sting" for those in Christ.
miket163 3 years ago 3
You can't defeat death, thats like saying I defeated space, or matter, or math, or physics, no mater how hard anyone tries, those things like death will remain constant. Everything dies, or at least reverts to a less complex structure. Don't let it freak you out, you can't stop it, so just let it be.
wallcrawler50 3 years ago
No i cannot defeat death! Death has been defeated, 1 Cor 15:20:
miket163 3 years ago 2
20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
miket163 3 years ago
How was he raised from the dead? What was the cause of death? Where are the medical reports?
If death came through man, why did species before man die? If the resurection comes from man, why do all humans not come back after death? What do the medical reports show after Mr. Christ supposadly came back from the dead?
wallcrawler50 3 years ago
23But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
miket163 3 years ago
24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
Yahweh defeated death through the resurection of His son, through the spirit of Holiness. I cannot defeat death but i can repent and follow Christ, the one who has.
miket163 3 years ago
Okay, so explain to me what all that means, use your theory in an every day application. How does the physical application of what your saying funtion?
wallcrawler50 3 years ago
Where are the reports showing death has been defeated? If death has been defeated why do people still die?
wallcrawler50 3 years ago
What you are refering to is "Physical Death", yet for those in Christ we may physically die because of Adams sin in Gen 2/3, but we do not remain dead. We, in the same order of the Messiah shall be raised from the dead physically, at the second coming of Jesus Christ. Where are the reports? Well the first fruits of the resurection is the Jesus. If you do not believe that then everything else i say will be in vain. I cannot convince you of the resurection, but i will do my best to persuade you.
miket163 3 years ago
Sorry, I need physical evidence to be persuaded. Can you imagine if a crime scene investigator did not investigate and just believed what happed? Sometimes they may be right, but for the most part, Innocent people would pay, the guilty would enjoy life.
That would be a scary place to live on the chance of hoping to be right, without taking the step to investigate. If what you believe is true then so be it, I could not hope to change you no more then you have of changing me.
wallcrawler50 3 years ago
The absence of his body would be the evidence. There is proof that Jesus lived, died and his body disappeared.
Christianity is in full support of investigating what you believe before you believe it. Lee Strobel would be a good example.
Look to see what you feel is true (not what feels good or is easiest) I constantly test and check what I believe and found the Bible to be the most true.
Good luck in your search for answers and understand Christians also investigate what they believe.
valmaebel 3 years ago
So your only evidence is a missing body? That would defiantly hold up in court. :/ "See! There is no body! I told you he got up and left!"
"Christians also investigate what they believe?" So your saying they are ignoring the overwhelming evidence that the stories in the bible either never happened at all, or were horribly exaggerated?
wallcrawler50 3 years ago
There is both archaeological and historical that makes the Bible more historically accurate than the works of plato or aristotle. However, you must decide if the authors were telling the truth or not.
I have decided they are, you have decided the aren't. But you shouldn't be angry at someone just because they don't agree with you.
Good luck in your online debates. :)
valmaebel 3 years ago
Difference between science and religion is science is based on observation and changes as we learn more. Religion is based on superstition and people die who do not agree.
The bible hasn't been re-written for a good thousand years or so. The bible promotes slavery, prostitution, sacrifices and above all things, war. Science has brought some horrible things as well but we learn and find new and better ways to evolve ourselves. In science we change religion we destroy ourselves.
wallcrawler50 3 years ago
NO! A missing body is NOT the only evidence. Meetings with Jesus after His crucifixion by groups of people in public view is another strong piece of evidence. An empty tomb and meetings with Jesus hold up nicely to scrutiny.
sirensymbol 3 years ago
I have more evidence that I ruled most of Egypt for a thousand years, that the Sun rotates around the moon, and that the key to world peace can be found by reciting the pledge of allegiance backwards while spinning. So how can what you say be true?
wallcrawler50 3 years ago
This is plain ignorance. Apparently you haven't done any research on the subject. Just about every scholar in the subject, even critical scholars, agree that the apostles, Paul, and groups of people at least think they saw Jesus alive after His crucifixion.
sirensymbol 3 years ago
SO where can this information be located? Where are the documents from that time?
wallcrawler50