Also, it may be of interest to note that the US has succesfully prosecuted people for waterboarding (simulated drowning) in the past.
To paraphrase the late, great George Carlin:
Some people believe that if you change the word of a condition you somehow change the condition. (It was the transformation of the term shell shock to post traumatic stress disorder).
Changing torture to enhanced interrogation doesn't alter the action itself - it's still torture!
It is quite easy to tell whether warterboarding is torture. You take somebody who denies that it is, subject them to it for some time and see whether they change their mind.
Oh, I see it already has been done: watch?v=wOStoGd5GZw&NR=1&feature=fvwp
His grasp of torture is appalling he doesnt understand it isnt about clumsy physical damage it's about the generation of pain. Some of the most effective methods are ones where you don't even do any permanent damage.
@antybu86, I forgot to mention that ALL of those colleges are liberal colleges. I also see one of the largest left-wing institutions popping up repeatedly; that is, UCLA.
@antybu86, do you happen to recall the 5th and 8th amendments? Read them. America does NOT torture terrorists, in fact, we go easy on them. We waterboard, deprive sleep, play children songs; that's nothing compared to the torture they do overseas. Also, John McCain is a liberal Republican, or a RINO (Republican in name only).
@MrTrombone1997 Dude, forget it. They are too sheltered and retarded to understand the difference between discomfort and torture. Hell, if they think waterboarding is bad then they need to go through the gas chamber in the US Army Basic Training.
So you are saying that something that would destroy a person inside and give them nightmares and phobias for the ret of their life isnt torture? There is not only physical torture but mental torture aswell.
the issue shouldn't be about torture. There's nothing wrong with torture as long as you're doing it to the right people for the right reasons. The real issue should be that nearly every one in Guantanamo Bay, is fucking innocent of any crime and they're still being held there! They arrested the owner of an orphanage for God's sake! Why is it that no one seems to care about the false imprisonment of hundreds of people?!?!!?!?!? I blame the rap music.
Oh fuck--just when I thought I'd never hear this chump's name again. You are seriously fucked if you live by what this dumbass says! LOL Way to go sheep!
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ok for all you tree hugging homos who think water boarding is torture screw off. they cut off our f***ing soldiers heads and we put a lil water on their face. if u dont support u arnt american
So because they kill american troops, its okay to torture them? Im sorry but I honestly dont think you have anything superior to them at that point.. well.. exept muscle
I would rather be a person doing the correct thing than an American doing the wrong thing. Think about a gang initiation, to be a part of it you may have to kill, is killling correct? I don't think so.
@antybu86 I would argue that John McCain is by no means conservative. BTW, if you think Waterboarding is torture then I invite you to get detained by the Iraqi Army and other Armies World Wide. BTW, Waterboarding leaves no permanent damage.
@grimblebrumble17889 Again, killing is a little different than waterboarding though. After waterboarding, you can go back and live a normal life, not the case with killing. Moreover, I wonder how it is you can have such a beef with waterboarding but remain silent on things FAR WORSE than waterboarding.
@CRTV1982 we arent on a page about far worse things. we are on a page about waterboarding. what you are doing is attempting to moralise by making comparisons. what i am doing is doing the same to show that the argument is pathetic and irrelevant.
@grimblebrumble17889 No, it is not irrelavent. When I see idiots who talk people's ALWAYS ears off about waterboarding and how bad the US is and then NEVER have a thing to say while FAR WORSE is coming from other countries I see a hypocrite, namely EVERY Liberal/leftist/progressive in this country. Let's face it, the issue is not waterboarding and you know it. The issue is your hate for this country.
@CRTV1982 and there we are. The paranoia and the nationalism didnt take long to come spilling out did it sweetheart. If you want to talk about how bad other countries are, go to a page about them, theres plenty of them. Oh and Im a national socialist, not a liberal/communist..
I think the answer is obvious if you look at the intent with which waterboarding is used, that is, to cause a person severe trauma to extract information, which is the very definition of torture.
John McCain went through friggin awful shit and he is an expert on what it's like from the tortured's perspective.
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wait a sec anty, why should we care if terrorists have nitemares about drowning? these people cut other people's heads off for believing differently... they would jump at the chance to fly another plane into our buildings again.
question, if water boarding could prevent a terrorist from murdering your sister, would you be for it if it could save her life?
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"it isn't about who they are. It's about who we are." - actually, it's about both.
"but that's simply a situation that could never happen in reality." - but it is happening to other people's sisters... see, if we don't water board(torture) these wicked people, they will keep coming at us until we are destroyed.
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this is where our perception differs.... these terrorists want to saw your head off... do we want to go over there and saw heads off or are we defending ourselves against people who love flying planes into our building?
it's all fair game once terrorists break the rules. and remember that "torture" just might be keeping you free to speak your mind.
Once you sink to their level, then you are just as bad as they are. This, "they started it!" attitude reminds me of grade school. It doesn't matter who started it. If we sink to their level, we are just as bad as they are.
And once again, I would like some more information on how torture is supposedly keeping me safe because as far as I can tell, it's a completely useless method for extracting information.
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you ever see "Deliverance"? that movie is the perfect analogy for how to handle people that are "wicked", -sometimes-. it just takes discernment on -when- to implement.
and you are possibly right, there might not be any credible info that we could gain... -BUT- ask me if i care that these guys have nitemares about drowning? heck, i hope they all report back the horror of waterboarding so no more terrorists attack us.
"i hope they all report back the horror of waterboarding so no more terrorists attack us."
Just the opposite actually.
To quote John McCain once again: "I think these interrogations, once publicized, helped al Qaeda recruit. I got that from an al Qaeda operative in a prison camp in Iraq... I think that the ability of us to work with our allies was harmed."
my problem with waterboarding is not that we do it. my problem is that we do it and think that its ok for us to do it and not the other guys.
if the iraqis capture a U.S soldier to waterboard, everyone would think that is so horrible, but we do it and we think were freaking jesus or something.
Okay, even if it ISN'T torture, it's still a psych tactic used to scare people into thinking they are in danger or are being harmed. That's been shown to be kinda unreliable for getting information. For shit's sake, you think a jihadist who thinks he's fighting a cosmic battle is going to tell you the truth? Especially when he knows he could just lie and make it stop? In his head if he aids an "infidel invader" before allah, he goes to hell. You guys have no idea how dedicated these guys can be.
Lol. You think i wanted subscribers? People subscribe to me for drums, not video responses.
However, in the midst of this talk about waterboarding (which was the only topic you and your army of zombies addressed) i met a guy by the username of plantpanther. You might be interested in talking to him. He HAS been waterboarded.
Wait... you wanted publicity, but you didn't want subscribers? How does t hat make sense?
BTW, I did address everything else you brought up in your video in your comments section - it's just that you chose to remove your video (and the one where you thanked me) for some unknown reason, so it's not there anymore.
Don't you see it? All those views and hate comments from your zombies and even another response from redFIST. Pissing you guys off is too easy. This is why i asked you to respond cuz i knew it would happen. They all talked about the one topic that they heard you talk about. They don't think for themselves and thats how YOU go after your enemies.
What are you talking about? I certainly wasn't pissed off. I had fun making this video response.
As for my "zombies." Well, they aren't really zombies at all (as far as I'm aware) nor are they "mine." They are their own persons and they do what they want to do.
So, I'm not sure what you mean about how I go after my enemies - especially since I don't have any enemies (not that I know about).
Here's some important advice, drummer703, don't take the internet so seriously.
Well, dude, it was pretty damn stupid of you to say that people who think water-boarding is torture are wusses. I mean, you can't make such a stupid comment and expect people to just ignore it.
Really, stop playing the victim card, it's pathetic.
@drummer703 Wait... antybu86 has quite plainly stated several times, and I quote, that he "had fun making this video response." Are you illiterate or just choosing to read between the lines? You see, to read BETWEEN the lines, you have to be able to actually read the lines.
Perhaps the people who claim certainty as to whether "waterboarding" is not torture should be as courageous as Hitchens and put their opinions to the test.
I suspect that after a very few seconds into the experience they would be ready to tuck their tails and run.
Just *love* the minimisation of torture Dumber703 makes. It might not look like torture to the observer, but the experience is akin to drowning, which is torture.
Waterboarding was considered to be torture when Japanese soldiers did it to American prisoners of war during WWII. They were prosecuted for this war crime after the war.
Maybe it's only torture if it's done to Americans by people of another skin colour?
There seems to be a perception that, because it isn't the messiest most extreme thing that you can think of, it doesn't count as torture. There is a childish game of one-up-man-ship going on.
"Bamboo shoots under the fingernails? Big Deal. That's not torture. Somebody dipping your cock in lye? Now THAT'S torture."
Great video, but you should have included Mad Cow's reaction. His was the absolute best (if you can really use that point; he and Hitchens were actually tortured despite them being simply curious)
A radio personality called "Mancow" was waterboarded to see what it was all about, and he made it about half of a second before he was yelling for them to stop.
torture is wrong if done for the wrong reason. However, we are trying to save lives by getting infromation from them in order to foil their plans against us.
Torture is torture is torture, the fact of the matter is that it is wrong under ANY circumstances. If I think your holding information that threatens this country, should I waterboard you?
There are other ways to get information without torture. If you are all for torture then you need to be kept far away from any power as you simply have not learned what it really means to be an American citizen. All who agree with you also should feel less than American.
I don't think you'd find very many experts on the subject of torture to agree that torture gains useful information. The victim will say anything and that's mainly what it's used for. The prisoners shown in the beheading videos made anti-war statements not because they meant it or that it was truly how they felt but because they would make any statement under their torturous situation.
actually dude ur an idiot torture and killing someone arent the same thing and torturing someone isnt humane at all killing someone cause they did something really wrong is humane cause you end the suffering other ppl have from that person being there but torture is not humane at all
you arent trying to save lives thats what you think but what they really want to know is if they got stronger weapons or chemicals that would kill them they dont care if you die they only care if they are still in power
like you didnt know that was racist you bitch ass lil white boy say that here and we will fucking show you what torture is cause you obviously havent been through any shit lil punk ass bitch go fuck have a 3 way with your pig and your sister you inbred fuck
Hey robert... it was a reference to Jim Jones, who was a leader of a cult who convinced his followers to drink poisoned Kool-Aid in the 1970s. Hundreds of his followers, including children, died because they blindly followed his orders.
It's become a political cliche used by unimaginative people to indicate that the "other side" (be it the left, the right, Christians or Atheists etc) is blindly following their "leader/s" (whoever that happens to be).
but that wouldnt make any sense cause i was saying not to trust the government im not blindlessly following anyone i was saying the government wouldnt give a shit if you died right now from a terrorist attack they are just afraid that they will lose power and will be killed
i swear im christian but i cant stand other christians they all do what they say is terrible like treating other ppl as equals yet they go and protest gay marriage and are for the wars in iraq? like this dude i bet hes one those types i also dont go to church cause they are nothing but a bunch of con artist hiding behind a collar and a cross waterboarding isnt torture... my ass i wanna see someone do this to him and see how long he lasts
drummer703, you seem to be under the false impression that torture is useful in extracting reliable information from terrorists and saving lives. Allow former US military interrogator Matthew Alexander to correct your misconceptions:
watch?v=QqFO6velBOM
Also, look up Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi on wikipedia for an example of torture being used to elicit false information about Saddam Hussein being linked to al-Qaeda - something used by the Bush administration as one basis for the war in Iraq.
I don't know why you even bother antybu.. Some people really just don't get it.
OF COURSE waterboarding is torture. Everyone agreed it was; at least until the United States started doing it. Funny how that changes things, isn't it?
is it waterboading a form of Torture,well let take alook at history and find out why we Execute Japanese Soldiers for waterboading american pow, this also was on the top of the list of torture crime agianst american soldiers (waterboader or water based interrogation).
I watched drummers video and had to ask myself if he lives in the real world. He seems to have quite the pampered life the way he talks. I'd hate to see him truly lose his "liberties and freedoms" or actually have to do something for himself.
nice.. if you apply to the Navy SEALS, you'll be waterboarded, and they do consider that torture. Former Senator Ventura, who was a former Navy SEALS and also waterboarded, claims that it is in all aspects a torture.
I invite anyone who thinks waterboarding isn't torture to themselves be waterboarded, because obviously it's just "pouring water over a flannel on someones face" and doesn't hurt at all....
Didn't a fox news reporter do that at some point? I think they gave him a password and waterboarded him for less then 5 minutes and he was begging to be let go.
water boarding is tourcher the republicans even no it is and they used to use that tourcher to prepare other people for tourcher that was that extreme or less and it wasnt for as long as what they used in GITMO i love your uploads antybu86 your vids r extremely ha bisky
They can educate themselves. If they feel confident enough, afer informing themselves, that 'waterboarding is not torture', they're either willingly ignorant or they have alternate motives to justify waterboarding.
Either way, discussing it will not change their minds. And imo, discussing it with these people gives some kind of validation, that there actually is something to talk about.
I mean, get the info of people who have undergone this. It's testemonial, 1st hand experience. Undeniable.
"...discussing it with these people gives some kind of validation..." You are very right, alas.
I remember reading Richard Dawkins, who was saying the same thing about discussing religion, it gives it some kind of validation. But, if it is not discussed and shown to be wrong, I think this gives it validation in the eyes of some people.
I kind of want to make a video about this, but I don't know how many would care. I want to reference AMERICAN case law , namely U.S. v. Chinsaku Yuki, U.S. v. Yagoheiji Iwata, and U.S. v. Hideji Nakamura and Others, Major Edwin Glenn being convicted of torture for waterboarding during the U.S. Philippine War (1899-1902), the Sheriff Parker case in Texas, Ferdinand Marcos being forced to pay almost a billion dollars to American Filipinos who were tortured - including being waterboarded.
I also guess the fact that these techniques were taken from a 1957 USAF study called "Communist Attempts to Elicit False Confessions From Air Force Prisoners of War" by Albert D. Bidermann means nothing to people like this Drummer idiot as well.
Great video. Chrisopher Hitchens is a badass...lol Radio talk show jerk Mancow was blathering on and on about waterboarding not being torture, but unlike Hannity and the other 'real' wusses, he let himself be waterboarded and I think it was like 6 SECONDS before he stopped it and said it definately IS torture. (while he was still trembling...lol) anyone who wants to see...search for Mancow gets waterboarded.
The problem with cunts like this is even if you get to waterboard them you have to stop when they "cry uncle" which might not be a real world example. Keep going another 30 seconds after they wave their hand and see if they still talk tough. Make sure you have video from 4 different angles.
Personally, I'm in favor of this act, but I'm still willing to call it what it is. I may not be able to claim much moral high ground in accepting torture, but at least I'll admit what I'm doing is morally wrong. People who use the phrase "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" as a phrase seperate from torture, rather than the 'technical' term, annoy the heck out of me.
It's one thing to try to perform an evil act, it's another to lie and pretend it isn't.
Then again, Water-boarding is worst physiologically then having your testicles pounded until they swell into cantaloupes , Since its a mock execution, There is a chance that you could die from it especially if the person is a ill heart.
Mancow Muller lasted less then 30 sec before he stopped it, and said it was torture. He is as conservative as they come and probably has more balls then anyone at Fox
You argument is just an appeal to popularity. Every single Navy SEAL is subjected to this "torture" as part of his training.
dragknuckle 4 months ago
@dragknuckle Alot of things that the Armed Service men and women go through would be considered torture to the "waterboarding is torture" crowd.
CRTV1982 4 months ago
Also, it may be of interest to note that the US has succesfully prosecuted people for waterboarding (simulated drowning) in the past.
To paraphrase the late, great George Carlin:
Some people believe that if you change the word of a condition you somehow change the condition. (It was the transformation of the term shell shock to post traumatic stress disorder).
Changing torture to enhanced interrogation doesn't alter the action itself - it's still torture!
auritone 6 months ago
It is quite easy to tell whether warterboarding is torture. You take somebody who denies that it is, subject them to it for some time and see whether they change their mind.
Oh, I see it already has been done: watch?v=wOStoGd5GZw&NR=1&feature=fvwp
djhalling 7 months ago
His grasp of torture is appalling he doesnt understand it isnt about clumsy physical damage it's about the generation of pain. Some of the most effective methods are ones where you don't even do any permanent damage.
angrydead 8 months ago
@antybu86, I forgot to mention that ALL of those colleges are liberal colleges. I also see one of the largest left-wing institutions popping up repeatedly; that is, UCLA.
MrTrombone1997 1 year ago
@antybu86, do you happen to recall the 5th and 8th amendments? Read them. America does NOT torture terrorists, in fact, we go easy on them. We waterboard, deprive sleep, play children songs; that's nothing compared to the torture they do overseas. Also, John McCain is a liberal Republican, or a RINO (Republican in name only).
MrTrombone1997 1 year ago
@MrTrombone1997 cough the innocent cab driver who had his toes and fingers cut off cough
TheSmokey2142 11 months ago
@MrTrombone1997 Dude, forget it. They are too sheltered and retarded to understand the difference between discomfort and torture. Hell, if they think waterboarding is bad then they need to go through the gas chamber in the US Army Basic Training.
CRTV1982 3 months ago
WTF, firing a blank into someones head would still kill them at that close of a distance.
johnvasgird 1 year ago
@johnvasgird lol I think he means a revolver with a blank chamber. You know,. like russian roulette.
hippydude89 1 year ago
he forgot about rubbing a popsicle against someone that's being hung in the air while torching a steak....I'm just saying...
Also the dude that you're responding too Antybu...he kind of looks like Napoleon Dynamite
omegaheartless 1 year ago
Well drummer 703 could show all of us wussies that it isn't torture by being waterboard.
Just like that conservative radio guy mad cow did.
He lasted what.. six seconds?
I'd help by doing it to him but I have an allergy to prison.
booley 1 year ago
Shit, even a pot-smokin' terrorist can see that water boarding is torture.
PropheciesofWar 1 year ago
I want to water board all morons that think like him.
pranays 1 year ago
Any argument ending with the phrase "then you're kind of a wuss, man" should not even be worth serious discussion.
DrunkOnInk 2 years ago 2
Hmmm... where were all these right wing 'tards when Japanese soldiers were being charged for torturing (waterboarding included) American G.I.'s?
These people are such friggin' whores.
Douglas1102 2 years ago
Anything that causes pain without evident physical damage is not tortured!
Things like:
waterboarding
electrocution
induced insomnia/lack of sleep
isolation from light and people
These are not forms of torture!!!!
PassionForPasta 2 years ago
Yeh sure right
excandersham 1 year ago
So you are saying that something that would destroy a person inside and give them nightmares and phobias for the ret of their life isnt torture? There is not only physical torture but mental torture aswell.
ScottishSkater93 1 year ago
the issue shouldn't be about torture. There's nothing wrong with torture as long as you're doing it to the right people for the right reasons. The real issue should be that nearly every one in Guantanamo Bay, is fucking innocent of any crime and they're still being held there! They arrested the owner of an orphanage for God's sake! Why is it that no one seems to care about the false imprisonment of hundreds of people?!?!!?!?!? I blame the rap music.
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago
around :23 you sound a bit like Kipkay
panchogordo1 2 years ago
For making this point, I think Jesse Ventura provides a better example than Hitchens.
Navy SEAL
Pro Wrestler
Blaine from Predator
Says it's torture.
IMelkor42 2 years ago
Oh fuck--just when I thought I'd never hear this chump's name again. You are seriously fucked if you live by what this dumbass says! LOL Way to go sheep!
MNWildfan72 2 years ago
To dummer's credit, he at least took down the video. Although an official acknowledgment of error would be nice.
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
That's what he gets for trying to play in the big leagues!!!! stick to your drums, drummer boy.
pakko57 2 years ago
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ok for all you tree hugging homos who think water boarding is torture screw off. they cut off our f***ing soldiers heads and we put a lil water on their face. if u dont support u arnt american
allstar6994 2 years ago
allstar6994: So you believe the John McCain is a
"tree hugging homo?"
antybu86 2 years ago 7
yes i do thats y he lost to a man whos put us into 1,000,000,000 into debt
allstar6994 2 years ago
@allstar
look at MarcusCardiff's analogy
So because they kill american troops, its okay to torture them? Im sorry but I honestly dont think you have anything superior to them at that point.. well.. exept muscle
might makes right? (hint: no)
KarinMikazuki 2 years ago
I would rather be a person doing the correct thing than an American doing the wrong thing. Think about a gang initiation, to be a part of it you may have to kill, is killling correct? I don't think so.
panchogordo1 2 years ago
@antybu86 I would argue that John McCain is by no means conservative. BTW, if you think Waterboarding is torture then I invite you to get detained by the Iraqi Army and other Armies World Wide. BTW, Waterboarding leaves no permanent damage.
CRTV1982 4 months ago
@CRTV1982 The Waffen SS killed more than the Japanese army. Does this somehow make the Imperial army morally superior.
grimblebrumble17889 3 months ago
@grimblebrumble17889 Again, killing is a little different than waterboarding though. After waterboarding, you can go back and live a normal life, not the case with killing. Moreover, I wonder how it is you can have such a beef with waterboarding but remain silent on things FAR WORSE than waterboarding.
CRTV1982 3 months ago
@CRTV1982 we arent on a page about far worse things. we are on a page about waterboarding. what you are doing is attempting to moralise by making comparisons. what i am doing is doing the same to show that the argument is pathetic and irrelevant.
grimblebrumble17889 3 months ago
@grimblebrumble17889 No, it is not irrelavent. When I see idiots who talk people's ALWAYS ears off about waterboarding and how bad the US is and then NEVER have a thing to say while FAR WORSE is coming from other countries I see a hypocrite, namely EVERY Liberal/leftist/progressive in this country. Let's face it, the issue is not waterboarding and you know it. The issue is your hate for this country.
CRTV1982 3 months ago
@CRTV1982 and there we are. The paranoia and the nationalism didnt take long to come spilling out did it sweetheart. If you want to talk about how bad other countries are, go to a page about them, theres plenty of them. Oh and Im a national socialist, not a liberal/communist..
grimblebrumble17889 3 months ago
@allstar6994 I'm not American, so..kinda not a an insult to me you supremist prick.
Darthmas2242 9 months ago
lmao at "Hitchens is a baddass drunk"
I think the answer is obvious if you look at the intent with which waterboarding is used, that is, to cause a person severe trauma to extract information, which is the very definition of torture.
John McCain went through friggin awful shit and he is an expert on what it's like from the tortured's perspective.
thegillotine09 2 years ago
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hmm don't really care about torture. don't consider it important
jungleman68 2 years ago
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wait a sec anty, why should we care if terrorists have nitemares about drowning? these people cut other people's heads off for believing differently... they would jump at the chance to fly another plane into our buildings again.
question, if water boarding could prevent a terrorist from murdering your sister, would you be for it if it could save her life?
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
To put it simply (and to plagiarize from John McCain), it isn't about who they are. It's about who we are.
As for your hypothetical question, of course I would - but that's simply a situation that could never happen in reality.
antybu86 2 years ago
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"it isn't about who they are. It's about who we are." - actually, it's about both.
"but that's simply a situation that could never happen in reality." - but it is happening to other people's sisters... see, if we don't water board(torture) these wicked people, they will keep coming at us until we are destroyed.
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
- I disagree. Water boarding is torture, and I don't want to sink to their level.
-No it's not. Torture is a completely useless method for extracting information.
antybu86 2 years ago
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this is where our perception differs.... these terrorists want to saw your head off... do we want to go over there and saw heads off or are we defending ourselves against people who love flying planes into our building?
it's all fair game once terrorists break the rules. and remember that "torture" just might be keeping you free to speak your mind.
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
Once you sink to their level, then you are just as bad as they are. This, "they started it!" attitude reminds me of grade school. It doesn't matter who started it. If we sink to their level, we are just as bad as they are.
And once again, I would like some more information on how torture is supposedly keeping me safe because as far as I can tell, it's a completely useless method for extracting information.
antybu86 2 years ago
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you ever see "Deliverance"? that movie is the perfect analogy for how to handle people that are "wicked", -sometimes-. it just takes discernment on -when- to implement.
and you are possibly right, there might not be any credible info that we could gain... -BUT- ask me if i care that these guys have nitemares about drowning? heck, i hope they all report back the horror of waterboarding so no more terrorists attack us.
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
"i hope they all report back the horror of waterboarding so no more terrorists attack us."
Just the opposite actually.
To quote John McCain once again: "I think these interrogations, once publicized, helped al Qaeda recruit. I got that from an al Qaeda operative in a prison camp in Iraq... I think that the ability of us to work with our allies was harmed."
antybu86 2 years ago
@CapnnOrdinary
sorry for responding to such an old post.
my problem with waterboarding is not that we do it. my problem is that we do it and think that its ok for us to do it and not the other guys.
if the iraqis capture a U.S soldier to waterboard, everyone would think that is so horrible, but we do it and we think were freaking jesus or something.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
If you hate terrorists so much, why do you want America to become the same as them.
By your logic if some paedo molested your son it would be ok for you to molest his.
MarcusCardiff 2 years ago
Okay, even if it ISN'T torture, it's still a psych tactic used to scare people into thinking they are in danger or are being harmed. That's been shown to be kinda unreliable for getting information. For shit's sake, you think a jihadist who thinks he's fighting a cosmic battle is going to tell you the truth? Especially when he knows he could just lie and make it stop? In his head if he aids an "infidel invader" before allah, he goes to hell. You guys have no idea how dedicated these guys can be.
338dmac 2 years ago
I've been waterboarded before and it was torture, but it is not pulling out fingernails and I will still do it.
plantpanther 2 years ago
Ahhh the old 'lolitrolu' defence. Nicely done
drummer703, nicely done.
DeadPlered 2 years ago
haha you pwned him so hard he removed his vid
byrnesielives 2 years ago 2
why keep it up? i've already got the publicity i wanted. Lol.
drummer703 2 years ago
Glad you got what you wanted. By the way, how many subscribers did you get from that video? I'm just curious.
antybu86 2 years ago
Lol. You think i wanted subscribers? People subscribe to me for drums, not video responses.
However, in the midst of this talk about waterboarding (which was the only topic you and your army of zombies addressed) i met a guy by the username of plantpanther. You might be interested in talking to him. He HAS been waterboarded.
drummer703 2 years ago
Wait... you wanted publicity, but you didn't want subscribers? How does t hat make sense?
BTW, I did address everything else you brought up in your video in your comments section - it's just that you chose to remove your video (and the one where you thanked me) for some unknown reason, so it's not there anymore.
antybu86 2 years ago
Don't you see it? All those views and hate comments from your zombies and even another response from redFIST. Pissing you guys off is too easy. This is why i asked you to respond cuz i knew it would happen. They all talked about the one topic that they heard you talk about. They don't think for themselves and thats how YOU go after your enemies.
drummer703 2 years ago
What are you talking about? I certainly wasn't pissed off. I had fun making this video response.
As for my "zombies." Well, they aren't really zombies at all (as far as I'm aware) nor are they "mine." They are their own persons and they do what they want to do.
So, I'm not sure what you mean about how I go after my enemies - especially since I don't have any enemies (not that I know about).
Here's some important advice, drummer703, don't take the internet so seriously.
antybu86 2 years ago
You don't get it. It's YOU who take it so seriously, which is why you make all of these videos that attack other people.
Your zombies are your subscribers. They all attacked me on the ONE issue you bring up in your video. THAT'S why i call them zombies.
This is how you attack enemies (meaning those whom you oppose in your videos)
This is why i asked you to respond, cuz i knew i was right.
drummer703 2 years ago
Well, dude, it was pretty damn stupid of you to say that people who think water-boarding is torture are wusses. I mean, you can't make such a stupid comment and expect people to just ignore it.
Really, stop playing the victim card, it's pathetic.
antybu86 2 years ago
Im not the victim, this was deliberate. You were the victim or target as i prefer to call it.
drummer703 2 years ago
Ah, so what you've been trying to tell me is that you're a douche?
I already knew that.
antybu86 2 years ago
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xXSceilusXx 2 years ago
exactly, you're so smart. have a cookie
drummer703 2 years ago
Ahahahahahaha... just noticed that you blocked me from your channel. Oh, that's too funny.
antybu86 2 years ago
@drummer703 Wait... antybu86 has quite plainly stated several times, and I quote, that he "had fun making this video response." Are you illiterate or just choosing to read between the lines? You see, to read BETWEEN the lines, you have to be able to actually read the lines.
Alexdurrant7 1 year ago
Has he ever been waterboarded? lol
MetalsirenIXI 2 years ago
that guys haircut is torture
bluntrama 2 years ago 10
Perhaps the people who claim certainty as to whether "waterboarding" is not torture should be as courageous as Hitchens and put their opinions to the test.
I suspect that after a very few seconds into the experience they would be ready to tuck their tails and run.
Hannsfeld 2 years ago
"If you think thats torture, you're a wuss."
...says the kid with the valley girl accent and emo haircut.
stuckvanilla 2 years ago 17
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Boo freakin hoooo!!! I say torture those fuckers!! Get it out of em...even if their innocent.
graygryph 2 years ago
hope you are joking. The fuckers you are referring to are most likely soldiers defending your country.
SmartestPlaYA 2 years ago
Pfft... McCain is a wuss
OriginalDeathpill 2 years ago
i think that are a lot of SADISTS pretending to be conservative republicans
MrRockythesquirrel 2 years ago 2
he looks like a gay retarded napoleon dynamite
robertcote1 2 years ago 2
Just *love* the minimisation of torture Dumber703 makes. It might not look like torture to the observer, but the experience is akin to drowning, which is torture.
FantasmaBAnco 2 years ago
dumber. like i haven't heard THAT one
drummer703 2 years ago
...seems like you'll be hearing it a lot more, if you choose to base your arguments on faulty logic, and a complete lack of empathy for others.
FantasmaBAnco 2 years ago 2
@drummer703 Are you for real? Surely nobody is as stupid as you're portraying yourself to be...
Alexdurrant7 1 year ago
Waterboarding was considered to be torture when Japanese soldiers did it to American prisoners of war during WWII. They were prosecuted for this war crime after the war.
Maybe it's only torture if it's done to Americans by people of another skin colour?
pirbird14 2 years ago 3
There seems to be a perception that, because it isn't the messiest most extreme thing that you can think of, it doesn't count as torture. There is a childish game of one-up-man-ship going on.
"Bamboo shoots under the fingernails? Big Deal. That's not torture. Somebody dipping your cock in lye? Now THAT'S torture."
strontiumcrypt 2 years ago
I thought Mancow's video was proof enough. That kid just needs to be waterboarded for 30 seconds and we can find out who the wuss is.
wwickeddogg 2 years ago
What an idiot.
It's actually hard to believe people still think it's not torture.
Also, I do believe regular "trust building interrogations" work better than this bullshit torture.
Violence and intimidation only leads to false confessions.
HomoCyborgZombie 2 years ago 3
Great video, but you should have included Mad Cow's reaction. His was the absolute best (if you can really use that point; he and Hitchens were actually tortured despite them being simply curious)
Clagnaught 2 years ago
A radio personality called "Mancow" was waterboarded to see what it was all about, and he made it about half of a second before he was yelling for them to stop.
squirreljester2 2 years ago
I wish it was legal to waterboard those who advocate its usage.
ChrisTheTruckDriver 2 years ago
I agree I want to see him squirm...
Masterzec 2 years ago
Hey man, I agree that waterboarding is torture. We, as a nation, are better than that.
Peace amigo.
thereprieve 2 years ago
Oh and uh, Christopher Hitchens is a wuss! Cheers. =)
thereprieve 2 years ago
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strontiumcrypt 2 years ago
you know I think his video falls into the category of "how bad could it be to get shot?"
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
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Thanks for the viewers! They hate me, but who cares? lol
drummer703 2 years ago
no problem
antybu86 2 years ago
Did your opinion on waterboading change at all?
winstonsmith00 2 years ago
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not at all, it's much more humane than beheading.
drummer703 2 years ago
We were talking about torture, not execution.
antybu86 2 years ago
And that's the choices you have, given your position. Not exactly humane standards.
winstonsmith00 2 years ago
torture is wrong if done for the wrong reason. However, we are trying to save lives by getting infromation from them in order to foil their plans against us.
drummer703 2 years ago
Torture is torture is torture, the fact of the matter is that it is wrong under ANY circumstances. If I think your holding information that threatens this country, should I waterboard you?
samsamsztuk 2 years ago
if i crashed plans into your buildings, yes
drummer703 2 years ago
Hehe, if you crashed a plan into my building you wouldn't be alive.
samsamsztuk 2 years ago
duh, but those who help plan it would be
drummer703 2 years ago
There are other ways to get information without torture. If you are all for torture then you need to be kept far away from any power as you simply have not learned what it really means to be an American citizen. All who agree with you also should feel less than American.
-tk
samsamsztuk 2 years ago
I don't think you'd find very many experts on the subject of torture to agree that torture gains useful information. The victim will say anything and that's mainly what it's used for. The prisoners shown in the beheading videos made anti-war statements not because they meant it or that it was truly how they felt but because they would make any statement under their torturous situation.
winstonsmith00 2 years ago 3
actually dude ur an idiot torture and killing someone arent the same thing and torturing someone isnt humane at all killing someone cause they did something really wrong is humane cause you end the suffering other ppl have from that person being there but torture is not humane at all
robertcote1 2 years ago
It's done to get information that will save lives.
What do you want us to do? say pretty please?
drummer703 2 years ago
drummer703: Does your question imply that you are now admitting that waterboarding is torture?
antybu86 2 years ago
If you want to call it that. It is still the most humane form. Other countries use beatings, overwork, and lack of food to torture their prisoners.
drummer703 2 years ago
you arent trying to save lives thats what you think but what they really want to know is if they got stronger weapons or chemicals that would kill them they dont care if you die they only care if they are still in power
robertcote1 2 years ago
wow, how's the kool-aid?
drummer703 2 years ago
wow fuckin racist asshole come to LA ill fuckin murder your ass for saying something like that
robertcote1 2 years ago
racist?
drummer703 2 years ago
like you didnt know that was racist you bitch ass lil white boy say that here and we will fucking show you what torture is cause you obviously havent been through any shit lil punk ass bitch go fuck have a 3 way with your pig and your sister you inbred fuck
robertcote1 2 years ago
what was racist?
drummer703 2 years ago
really you dont remember telling me "hows the kool aid"
robertcote1 2 years ago
Hey robert... it was a reference to Jim Jones, who was a leader of a cult who convinced his followers to drink poisoned Kool-Aid in the 1970s. Hundreds of his followers, including children, died because they blindly followed his orders.
It's become a political cliche used by unimaginative people to indicate that the "other side" (be it the left, the right, Christians or Atheists etc) is blindly following their "leader/s" (whoever that happens to be).
FantasmaBAnco 2 years ago
but that wouldnt make any sense cause i was saying not to trust the government im not blindlessly following anyone i was saying the government wouldnt give a shit if you died right now from a terrorist attack they are just afraid that they will lose power and will be killed
robertcote1 2 years ago
Hey robert, I don't agree with the guy, I think he's a complete tool. You're right btw; the reference was misapplied in this instance.
That's the thing with cliches... they are overused to the point where people just throw them out reflexively to get a reaction.
FantasmaBAnco 2 years ago
i swear im christian but i cant stand other christians they all do what they say is terrible like treating other ppl as equals yet they go and protest gay marriage and are for the wars in iraq? like this dude i bet hes one those types i also dont go to church cause they are nothing but a bunch of con artist hiding behind a collar and a cross waterboarding isnt torture... my ass i wanna see someone do this to him and see how long he lasts
robertcote1 2 years ago
how is that racist?
drummer703 2 years ago
really? are you really that stupid look it up asshole
robertcote1 2 years ago
it means that you go with the crowd instead of forming you're own opinion.
drummer703 2 years ago
yea cause im really going with the crowd dumbass i dont follow anyone but myself
robertcote1 2 years ago
your comments are cliche which is why i said that in the first place.
drummer703 2 years ago
drummer703, you seem to be under the false impression that torture is useful in extracting reliable information from terrorists and saving lives. Allow former US military interrogator Matthew Alexander to correct your misconceptions:
watch?v=QqFO6velBOM
Also, look up Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi on wikipedia for an example of torture being used to elicit false information about Saddam Hussein being linked to al-Qaeda - something used by the Bush administration as one basis for the war in Iraq.
jutewe 2 years ago 3
You know, it's best if you get an education before you try to express your opinion publicly. Then you won't sound like a ding dong.
condomassault 2 years ago
i love ding dongs! They're yummy. lol
drummer703 2 years ago
Yeah but you know what's inside them? Cream. That's what you sound like.
condomassault 2 years ago
Cream has a sound?
drummer703 2 years ago
When I do it does.
condomassault 2 years ago
If its not torture then what is it, dumbkopf!
BiodegradeableMan 2 years ago
Excellent pwnage.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
I don't know why you even bother antybu.. Some people really just don't get it.
OF COURSE waterboarding is torture. Everyone agreed it was; at least until the United States started doing it. Funny how that changes things, isn't it?
MNICY 2 years ago
As much as it would pain me to torture a good looking guy like drummer703, I'd do it to show him exactly what waterboarding is.
I am that self sacrificing.. :D
bewarethelizards42 2 years ago
is it waterboading a form of Torture,well let take alook at history and find out why we Execute Japanese Soldiers for waterboading american pow, this also was on the top of the list of torture crime agianst american soldiers (waterboader or water based interrogation).
mosniper831 2 years ago
I watched drummers video and had to ask myself if he lives in the real world. He seems to have quite the pampered life the way he talks. I'd hate to see him truly lose his "liberties and freedoms" or actually have to do something for himself.
tattooskin72 2 years ago
nice.. if you apply to the Navy SEALS, you'll be waterboarded, and they do consider that torture. Former Senator Ventura, who was a former Navy SEALS and also waterboarded, claims that it is in all aspects a torture.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
waterboarding is torture. Just not one that leaves PHYSICAL marks.
ShellySummers 2 years ago
and yes id prefer a beating any day
shishiromura 2 years ago
actually waterboarding is torture. it is fucking horrible
shishiromura 2 years ago
a very well made video antybu86. 5 stars
NBison100 2 years ago
What an ass waterboarding is horrible torture.
All love from me Jazzy
Eopyk 2 years ago
I invite anyone who thinks waterboarding isn't torture to themselves be waterboarded, because obviously it's just "pouring water over a flannel on someones face" and doesn't hurt at all....
ThetaOmega 2 years ago
Didn't a fox news reporter do that at some point? I think they gave him a password and waterboarded him for less then 5 minutes and he was begging to be let go.
QQMoreClown 2 years ago
He didn't even make it 5 seconds as far as I remember.
tattooskin72 2 years ago
tattooskin72,
He made it 18 seconds. That's longer than most CIA operatives.
RavenAmongDoves 2 years ago
Must not be the one I watched. I could have sworn I saw a Fox reporter being waterboarded and he almost immediately stopped the procedure.
tattooskin72 2 years ago
I watched the mancow one just recently, and he seemed to last about 3 seconds.
antybu86 2 years ago
Very well made video!
dewonthegrass 2 years ago
water boarding is tourcher the republicans even no it is and they used to use that tourcher to prepare other people for tourcher that was that extreme or less and it wasnt for as long as what they used in GITMO i love your uploads antybu86 your vids r extremely ha bisky
kazooga1234 2 years ago
Hitchens' a wuss :P
What a stupid discussion.
ContinuumXT 2 years ago
Are you saying that Hitchens is a wuss?
Why do you think that this is a stupid discussion
dewonthegrass 2 years ago
Well, yes i did say that (pun intended). Actually I do not know if he's a wuss, he doesn't seem like it.
I think it's a bullshit discussion, because clearly waterboarding IS torture. I don't get this whole discussion.
I'm more inclined to turn my back to people who start mumbling about waterboarding not being torture than talking to them.
ContinuumXT 2 years ago
Yes, but they have to be shown to be wrong.
dewonthegrass 2 years ago
They can educate themselves. If they feel confident enough, afer informing themselves, that 'waterboarding is not torture', they're either willingly ignorant or they have alternate motives to justify waterboarding.
Either way, discussing it will not change their minds. And imo, discussing it with these people gives some kind of validation, that there actually is something to talk about.
I mean, get the info of people who have undergone this. It's testemonial, 1st hand experience. Undeniable.
ContinuumXT 2 years ago
"...discussing it with these people gives some kind of validation..." You are very right, alas.
I remember reading Richard Dawkins, who was saying the same thing about discussing religion, it gives it some kind of validation. But, if it is not discussed and shown to be wrong, I think this gives it validation in the eyes of some people.
dewonthegrass 2 years ago
I kind of want to make a video about this, but I don't know how many would care. I want to reference AMERICAN case law , namely U.S. v. Chinsaku Yuki, U.S. v. Yagoheiji Iwata, and U.S. v. Hideji Nakamura and Others, Major Edwin Glenn being convicted of torture for waterboarding during the U.S. Philippine War (1899-1902), the Sheriff Parker case in Texas, Ferdinand Marcos being forced to pay almost a billion dollars to American Filipinos who were tortured - including being waterboarded.
Rithrandil 2 years ago 2
I also guess the fact that these techniques were taken from a 1957 USAF study called "Communist Attempts to Elicit False Confessions From Air Force Prisoners of War" by Albert D. Bidermann means nothing to people like this Drummer idiot as well.
Rithrandil 2 years ago 2
I'd like to see this kid call Jesse Ventura a wuss to his face. Jesse was water boarded during his seals training and agrees that it is torture.
SocialDeviant77 2 years ago
Great video. Chrisopher Hitchens is a badass...lol Radio talk show jerk Mancow was blathering on and on about waterboarding not being torture, but unlike Hannity and the other 'real' wusses, he let himself be waterboarded and I think it was like 6 SECONDS before he stopped it and said it definately IS torture. (while he was still trembling...lol) anyone who wants to see...search for Mancow gets waterboarded.
Antichryst666 2 years ago
thank you antybu!
i would enjoy the company of all these "wusses", it's really the echelon of wussdom
Noobwarriking 2 years ago
Christopher Hitchens is a badass. When was he tortured, why?
Shalek 2 years ago
The problem with cunts like this is even if you get to waterboard them you have to stop when they "cry uncle" which might not be a real world example. Keep going another 30 seconds after they wave their hand and see if they still talk tough. Make sure you have video from 4 different angles.
prodigyat9 2 years ago
when was hitchens water boarded
and why?
redFISTofEUROPE 2 years ago
There's video on YT.
He submitted to it to see if it was torture, probably for a Vanity Fair article.
He said, "This is NOT simulated drowning. It is drowning."
TheOtherSide100 2 years ago
he was water boarded as an experiment to get a first hand experience.
Ilikenuman 2 years ago
badass ;)
redFISTofEUROPE 2 years ago
i guess some people have wierd fetishes!
Ilikenuman 2 years ago
Oh! Overwhelming evidence. Nice.
I guess whoever calls it "Wuss" might think that it means something else.
Q9R42 2 years ago
Personally, I'm in favor of this act, but I'm still willing to call it what it is. I may not be able to claim much moral high ground in accepting torture, but at least I'll admit what I'm doing is morally wrong. People who use the phrase "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" as a phrase seperate from torture, rather than the 'technical' term, annoy the heck out of me.
It's one thing to try to perform an evil act, it's another to lie and pretend it isn't.
Sines314 2 years ago
Water-boarding is on the same level of torture as having Chuck Norris karate kick someone repeatedly in the scrotum.
Obasiliasfilosofos 2 years ago
Then again, Water-boarding is worst physiologically then having your testicles pounded until they swell into cantaloupes , Since its a mock execution, There is a chance that you could die from it especially if the person is a ill heart.
Obasiliasfilosofos 2 years ago
Mancow Muller lasted less then 30 sec before he stopped it, and said it was torture. He is as conservative as they come and probably has more balls then anyone at Fox
muttgooch 2 years ago
holy crap what a dumbass. he thinks drowning is not torture. why the fuck use it for interrogation if its not torture?
bigusdikus0 2 years ago 3
lol yea Hitchens is just badass.
weefraze06 2 years ago