Muso Shinden Ryu Part 3

[Souky2]

daaaaym... beautiful. Thats all I can say

[kienergiaeterna]

Hola estos kata estan muy buenos!!!!! felicitaciones!!!!

[ravenmerisi]

i thought that is not alowed to film shinden ryu because it is secret....anyway....beautiful

[69buick350]

I have been learning Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu Iaido for six years now within the Canadian Iaido Association. Trust me when I say, it is impossible to learn ANY martial art without a qualified teacher, especially any form of Iaido, Iaijutsu, or Kenjutsu. Everything from your footwork to your cuts has to be very precise, and without a teacher to correct you, or teach you the correct footwork in the first place there is no way anyone could become proficient at iai.

[Kroxboy]

This is truly beautiful....Its sad that only 28,000 people have viewed this. Thank You Japan....

[danys140]

excelente maestro...

[xaedmon]

Tamishigiri practice. Which is the cutting of bamboo, rolled matts ect. This develops proper blade angle allignment as well as impact resistance training. You will learn how to follow through an object/target. Practice Batto jutsu, the art of the simultanious quick draw cut & returning of the blade into its saya. Returning the blade must be practised over & over until it is an effortless act that requires no thought. Then in time, all your sword technique will flow from this mind of " no mind".

[fishstoneqqq]

Excellent! Thank you very much!

[Proton1]

Dude, you're full of shit. Seriously. The only way you'll know how full of shit you are is to join a legitimate dojo, only then will you realize your idealistic pray-under-the-waterfall ways bear no relevance to the real deal.

[xaedmon]

Really ? prove i am "full of shit"

[Proton1]

Join a legitimate dojo, train for ten years, then come back and read the nonsense you've wrote. I guarantee you you'll cringe.

[xaedmon]

So, the pup growls yet again? lol Your master, IF indeed you do have one, needs to keep his dogs on a shorter leash. In truth it is you who will look back in regret at your past days & foolish ways. Yet, you are young & without much life experience so such compulsive arrogance is as forgivable as it is amusing. So my advice you you my friend is to meditate, conquer your ego before you engage others in combat of any kind. For if the mind is not at peace, the body can be easily cut to pieces.

[xaedmon]

If you spend your spare time in such practice, youll wake up one day & discover your becoming that which you aspire to be. And if you ever train at a dojo, you will more readily absorb that which it has to offer. Follow your inner instructor, train hard, let him guide your thoughts words & deeds until all that is of no use is chiseled away to reveal the instructor for the master swordsman you really are within. You see you are your master instructor, as one yet seperate for but a moment of time

[fishstoneqqq]

Thank you very much for your kind and encouraging words. I have been practicing with a bokken and have purchased my cheap sword. I definately will take your advice. You have inspired me greatly!

[xaedmon]

Glad i could help, for truely in helping others i am helping myself. As the instructor teaches, so he is taught. One more thing, practice with your cheap sword until you feel you could defeat musashi himself. Then it is time to purchase "the" sword. Excersize patience when making this purchase. when aquired, you must begin training anew, with a beginers mindset, slowly tune into your blade until you feel at one wiith it. So it is an extension of your "chi" or "ki". then progress into >

[stevywolf]

@fishstoneqqq

Forget learning Iai without a proper

master or dojo. You simply will never reach

a good level, simply because you don't see

your own imperfections. You need a master to

correct them. Don't forget it takes 20 years or more

under the wings of a good master to reach

the level shown on this video.

[xaedmon]

proficient enough to know exactly what type of sword you need for your style & body. Now 1st study, 2nd meditate before training, this is how you will find your inner "instructor" so to speak. It is important to train in private, preferably outdoors. Training with a friend is also important. extreme care must be taken to avoid injury. Spar using wooden swords, When a noticable level of compentancy has been reached purchase a cheap sword, when proficiency is realized start looking for "the" sword

[fishstoneqqq]

I am new to Iaido. I don't live near any dojos. I bought a book called Iai and I've been studying these vids and practicing on my own. Can anybody help me with additional info that could improve my training? Thanks.

[Erkynar]

The first, and I know glib, reply to your question is: move closer to a dojo... I think it would be exceptionally difficult to learn iai without someone to teach you.

However, having said that, I think the only other thing you can do is to read, look and practice as much as you can and always keep in mind that you might do everything fundamentally wrong, all the time. When you get the chance: find a teacher and prepare to "unlearn what you have learned..." :)

Oh, dear... Strangely apt, though.

[xaedmon]

Hello, hope your Iado practice is coming along. Just wanted to share some insight. In a way, you are fortunate not to live near a dojo. As in absence of a teacher without, you can build a firm foundation with the teacher within. Take all the information you can find, use that as a roadmap for the mind. Now you need a wooden sword, a cheap sword, and a good sword. A friend with an interest is helpful too. You need someone to train wiith outdoors. Do not purchase the good sword until you become >

[MicPowell]

I learned Muso Shinden and Shinto Munen Ryu from the Japanese Swordsmanship society here in New York but now practice on my own. As for sensei I have had many but none I hold above Hwang Mutsoo, and he and any Sensei that I value respect the critiques of anyone interested in discovering the truth beyond ritual and dogma!

[Wanat92]

Well... I don't understand, why first form - Kasumi was placed in previous video ( imho the video should start with first, not second form ) Also, this master doesn't "close" his sword after form - we used to do so in Polish dojo's, but I'm not sure how it is in another schools... Anyway, he's got awsome skills.

[MicPowell]

This is an old film and the reason for Kasumi being in the other clip is probably just editing! As for closing the sword, the kata should technically end noto with the Habaki still loose, as you come to attention then the swordhand is shifted to gently ease the habaki into the Kouiguchi, those who don't do this weaken the wedge fit, and That failing is also why you see many hold the sword when preparing to sit because otherwise their sword will fall out!

[MicPowell]

Kusumi is in another clip I think just because of the way his grandson edited the film.

[MicPowell]

What i regret most about people who present themselves as experts in Iaido is tha they all too often as here have no real Ido or mobility, and almost as bad could never be allowed to sit down in court the way they do here without serious admonishment!

[SeikiBrian]

MicPowell wrote, "almost as bad could never be allowed to sit down in court the way they do here without serious admonishment!"

But he is not in court, he is practicing. Saying that one wouldn't really sit in seiza while wearing a katana (what I assume you are pointing out) is like saying one wouldn;t really lay on his back lifting a barbell while defending his lord. It's a training method!

[MicPowell]

The piont isn't a question of Seiza which became standard after the Muramachi Period. The isssue is holding the saya and leaning over while preparing to sit. In other words the whay he seats himself is not respectful and even more it's aggressive and actually inferior to corect praxis.

[SeikiBrian]

Mic Powell wrote, "...the whay he seats himself is not respectful...and actually inferior to corect praxis."

It is not disrespectful, and it IS correct practice...in Muso Shinden Ryu.

Since you are presenting yourself as qualified to judge his iai, may I ask what school of swordsmanship you practice, and whom your teacher is?

In the interest of disclosure, I practiced Muso Shinden Ryu under Tatsuhiko Konno Sensei, and Seiki Ryu Aiki Toho under Minoru Kurita Shihan.

[MicPowell]

I f I am sure abut anything in Iaido I am reasonably sure that if you sat in front of the Emperor, Shogun, Gokyuro or Daimyo like that you might not live to see another day. To say that it is correct practice in contemporary Muso Shinden is dogma from a school that has no true transmission to begin with.

[SeikiBrian]

MicPowell wrote, "To say that it is correct practice in contemporary Muso Shinden is dogma from a school that has no true transmission to begin with."

I say again, since you are presenting yourself as an expert in Iaido, not to mention actually showing such disrespect for a highly regarded swordsman and an entire art...

What school of Japanese swordsmanship are you an exponent of, and who is your teacher?

[SATSUJIN93]

I practice MSR in japan with Kaneda sensei all japan iaido champion 7 times so yes my dear MicPowel, you are way over to ignoranto to be having this conversation, so please go to the "Practising my own style with bokken in my back yard" section of youtube

[mononokifool]

you learn it in seiza so that you can do this in any situation. if you can do it sitting down you can surly do it standing correct?

[MicPowell]

Seiza is important because Iaido became popular after Unification, but the sub rose point is Unification was a time of Coupes, disbandments, depositions, assinations and varioue other intrigues that made understanding Iaido a must.

[MicPowell]

You should take a look at Ogawa Ryu's Suwari waza which is a nice contrast in understanding floor technique, and in fact you can if properly trained move farther and faster on the floor than standing beleive it or not. Standing you can turn faster but the floor master is quite a serious accomplishment!

[SeikiBrian]

chaoticblue5000 said, "This is Okuryu, the highest level iaido forms in MSR"

seishin48 said, "no!, this is muso shinden ryu.."

Well, "MSR" is the standard abreviation for Muso Shinden Ryu. chaoticblue5000 was pointung out that this partcular set was from MSR's okuden series, as opposed to the shoden (initial set) or chuden (middle set).

HTH.

[seishin48]

lol my bad :P but yea that makes sence. he is very good. the one thing i don't like about iaido is how much more simple to get shodan than others it normaly takes about 6 odd years in other martial arts e.g judo jujitsu but in iaido you can get shodan in 1 year if good but its fun :D.

[MicPowell]

Muso Shinden is a distortion, btu at any rate the Advanced Kata are called Okuden, often translated as Deep but I prefer 100,000,000 Transmitions, that's what it's like to really master these kata.

[SeikiBrian]

Mic Powell wrote, "...the Advanced Kata are called Okuden, often translated as Deep but I prefer 100,000,000 Transmitions..."

You may prefer it, but it would be incorrect.

While there is a word "oku" that means 100,000,000, it is not the one in "okuden," just as "pair" and "pear" don't mean the same.

The "oku" in "okuden" means hidden, secret, or mysterious, and okuden is usually translated as "secret methods" or "esoteric practices." The kanji resembles rice locked in a guarded room.

[MicPowell]

I am quite aware of the Kanji thank you, and if you check deep is the most common translation, secret may be one sub-text as is mysterious, but the problem with that is Muso Shinden is nothing secret and Shinkage ryu and half a dozen other schools could and or do claim to be hidden secret and so forth.

[MicPowell]

In short I really don't care what is held as ritual, dogma or rhetoric just stict to the facts and what is the best way to teach the truth!

[SeikiBrian]

MicPowell wrote, "...just stict to the facts and what is the best way to teach the truth!"

I have stuck to the facts and to the truth; it is you who have strayed.

This person whom you accuse of improper technique and lack of knowledge was a hachidan (8th degree) in his art, a native of Japan, and a highly regarded exponent.

You have shown that you have no training in a legitimate Budo, don't know the language you claim to, and don't know the facts. Stop embarassing yourself.

[MicPowell]

The only thing embarassing here is the usual retort of certian individuals who confronted with theory an praxis resort to personality attacks and ego trips.

[SeikiBrian]

MicPowell wrote, "...if you check deep is the most common translation..."

Bt itself, "deep" may be a common translation of oku, but not in the context of okuden. It appears to me (and your earlier statment confusing this oku with the other oku gives credence to my belief) that you are basing your "expertise" on reading dictionaries out of context rather than on having any fundamental, first-hand knowledge of Budo.

[dragonfreak111]

I would say so also, he probably is a great master of the art.

[HidenMakimono]

This is a great master... and not just a man with style

The internet is a tool for everybody!! It is funny to read comments from ignorant guys judging real masters ..in a way it is not fair.

[seishin48]

no!, this is muso shinden ryu..

[chaoticblue5000]

This is Okuryu, the highest level iaido forms in MSR

[Proton1]

The man has style, no doubt.