CNN LouDobbs/Rev.Michael Dowd responds to Intelligent Design

[girlygoalie]

Note that in discussions of this controversy, evidence is not discussed. It is simply presupposed that Darwinism in "Science" and the idea of Intelligent Design is "religion". I go where the evidence leads - not unbending religious dogma like Darwinian Evolution. The fossil record gives no evidence, the idea of random mutation leading to the complexity of life and variations in DNA is mathematically impossible.

[nudder62]

I saw his book on ebay for $3.99 -- free shipping. Hi book is selling for less than $5...so he, and the theory of evolution, is a bunch of bunk. There is nothing in the Bible that is contradicted by science, while science changes its theories every 10 years. Evolution is a change in allele frequency. That is completely natural and normal. People do not know what evolution means and it is amazing how stupid people can be. i t means chAnGE IN ALLELE FREQUENCY. We are LUCK/CHANCE genes? Evol=BUNK

[suitabledude]

he's 100% right and he's 100% courageous. 

[FatReleaseSystem]

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[B4mytyme]

i hate texas

[DeaconVerter]

1.Dowd is off his nut. He tries to put spirituality into evolution and tries to find scientific meaning in scripture. He succeeds, but only by horribly mutating both. If you are going to spiritualize a science, try astronomy. Evolution is about the worst choice possible. Better to try and spiritualize our escape, temporary as it may be, from the lethal strictures of evolutionary sieving. 2. How do we metaphorically interpret the 813,812 people killed in the Bible by god's hand or his orders?

[suitabledude]

@DeaconVerter the cosmos evolved and continue to do so. ergo, astronomy falls under the evolutionary umbrella.

[adlerbr12]

So seven out of fifteen hummmmm,I guess that means 8 out of fifteen think that it is all a delusion, i guess Texas as spoken and they say no to intelligent design.

These people think they THEY CAN PULL THE WOOL OVER THINKING PEOPLES MINDS.

We atheists are winning,,lol.

[adlerbr12]

More religious LIES and propaganda.

[xxSilverPhinxx]

Well based on what the huge majority of people know about evolution (close to nothing), it's little wonder they turn to the easier all-englobing answer: god did it.

As for the Discovery Institute wanting to add a non scientific "theory" in a science class, why not put evolution is sunday school religious classes as well?

And people who shut their eyes to the world around them because it goes against their belief really do have weak, superficial and shakey faith. There's no denying it.

[chasefukuoka61]

Excellent interview. Thanks so much for presenting the middle ground. Hope more people will open their minds and listen.

[levonet33]

evolution is a communist ideology.

[thegoochieguy]

@levonet33

creationism is a fascist ideology, summing humanity down to being nothing more than ''just magic dirt toys run amuck''.

[SudanCarib]

Science and Religion need to stop fighting and come together so we can both find the answer to the origins of the universe. but no fake stories like jesus christ or noahs ark from religion or aliens and ufo from science. We need to mix them up together so they can make sense. like for example when god (cosmology or nature) created us (living things) from the dust. it means that we grew out of the earth through evolution, from bacteria to right now........something like that.

[Christisms]

Biggest problem is that many conservatives in the world view life as a hierarchy. Darwin originally thought this way, but than rejected it because he realized that life sprouts outwards (like the branches of a tree) from a single common ancestor. This is one of many views Rev. Dowd corrects in his book. He views Darwin's tree as correct and sees God as both existing outside the Universe and within his creation rather than on the top of a species hierarchy.

[ThieleM]

Religion can't reveal anything about the origins of the universe. By nature faith cannot be proven thus it is not science thus it is not worth printing on toilet paper.

[SudanCarib]

both science and religion cant reveal the universe

[1macboo]

@ThieleM

But the orgins of the universe can teach us about 'religion"....so faith of course is an individual choice but there are many believers of all stripes who do not deny any of the science you believe in....

[ThieleM]

@1macboo

I don't 'believe' in science. Belief isnt allowed in science. In science you accept what the evidence shows. Belief is acceptance with out evidence.....nobody in science believes in the manner that you are speaking of.

[1macboo]

Thats fair, i also accept science . I also believe in God. I also believe in following your conscience, the Red Sox, hot apple cider on a fall afternoon & in the goodness of humans. i believe in the right to believe ,or not to believe ,as you choose,I believe you are a good person who simply does not respect my beliefs...and i respect your right to feel that way. I believe my wife&children love me but i guess that can't be proven either....it's OK,let the mystry be! Peace on your journey!

[ThieleM]

@1macboo

I agree with absolutely everything you just wrote...except I dont believe any of the God claims that I have ever heard. That doesn't mean that there is no God and I would never make such a statement.

To be truthful I actually do respect your beliefs as long as they stay out of Science.

Also, brain states CAN be mapped and emotions cause changes in brain activity and brain chemistry. Love CAN be demonstrated using physical data. I think that is a good thing.

[1macboo]

@ThieleM

I have heard how love can be shwn with scientific data and am not threatened, to bad other believers are so easy to panic! The Bible is many things...but a scientiic text book is NOT what it is, that is for sure. i love science and enjoy the adventure of scientific exploration. So yes, my beilifs stay out of science....but for some strange reason scientific advances only grow my faith...hwey, i might be wrong but I'm in good company, and so are you. peace

[thegoochieguy]

@SudanCarib

aliens and ufos are NOT from science, they are from science fiction.

there is a definite distinction.

and we grew from UNICELLULAR ORGANISMS to right now.

[UrDevilsAdvocate]

Religion and science should never come together. They are not compatible.

[SudanCarib]

you are right! i go with relgion only

[UrDevilsAdvocate]

Then you should give up everything science has provided.

[SudanCarib]

then u should give up civilization...religion created civilization. Ancient civilzations pointed to thier religions like the mayans, egyptians, greek, sumerians, saudi arabia and etc.

[UrDevilsAdvocate]

Faith (not being synonymise with religion) and commonality gives us civilization.

Giving up religion is easy, be willing to question all. People should argue and explore freely, with out threat or reprisal. Religion doesn't really provided that.

In some religions, merely questioning the existence of God is punishable by death. Can that be right or moral? I don't think it is. I don't think you believe it is either.

[SudanCarib]

these are called extremist in religion. they are the ones who usually dont follow the rules of thier religion like the taliban for example. religion gives us faith. there is no faith without religion.

[UrDevilsAdvocate]

Sorry, you need to have faith to accept religion. I have faith that my neighbors won't steal my stuff, but I don't accept them as someone accepts religion. Likely do to my having an assured deterrence.

[UrDevilsAdvocate]

It seems you were offended by my comment, " then you should give up everything science has provided." Allow me to expand on it, to clarify my intend.

A lot of ppl come out against science, unless it helps spread their beliefs. Bin Laden, Ray Comfort, and Kirk Cameron springs to mind. I am not a fan of those who take the good without the bad. Not to mention, theist eventually accept the findings of science.

Again, it was not my intend to offend you are anyone else.

[SudanCarib]

thats ok! i aplogize for my inconvience. yes i do have faith to accept religion.

[DoctorPlay]

Fuckin Christ hustlers who steal poor peoples money and drive mercedes and have shrimp crumb on floor and fuck wife

[OcultOprah]

...LOL!....this false christ BLOCKS his videos so no one can "comment"........he is another in a long line of = fraud gods.........thinking he is so "elite" and ~evolved ~~that he now "puppets" ...Holy GOD!.........nothing could be further from THE TRUTH. He & Oprah are all OUTED opn YouTube video:...Church Of Oprah #3...............and YouTube:....Despite Warning Oprah & Friends Encourage Demonic Activity!........

[ElProximo]

He is pulling off a great categorical error/trick. He just starts with the presumption that Evolutionism IS science.

The actual controversy itself is whether or not it is science.

The 'religion versus science' argument IS bogus but Dowd is actually playing that BS false dichotemy in his premise.

Nothing new here. Evolutionists have and will (as predicted) float these guys down the middle.

Make no mistake - this is pure anti-creationism and worse as disguised as 'one of our sheep'.

[Poeticnuisance]

@ElProximo And if evolution is disqualified by the standards of genuine science and revealed to be "fake", then where would that leave ID who has no case what so ever aside from pointing out the perceived flaws in hard earned science?

Answer? Nowhere. Creationism needs evolution like a cancer needs a living host.

[ElProximo]

@Poeticnuisance

What you said makes no sense. ID theory does not require Evolution to have been the mechanism. Go with your hypothetical and suppose tomorrow its unanimously agreed Evolutionism did not happen. Some kind of 'ID' still remains the best and most likely scientific explanation.

ID theory (if not the modern name itself) was popular before and during Evolution became popular. So it will afterward.

'unguided natural forces' is a poor explanation even if Evolution had it right.

[Poeticnuisance]

@ElProximo Oh. As opposed to the creation myth that involved an entire universe created mature by MAGIC in 6 days, man made from dirt and a rib woman was tempted by a talking snake to eat a magical fruit, which in turn condemned man to mortality. Then a 600 year old man made a boat larger than a Spanish galleon out of wood and tree sap, and put every species of animal, fish, plant, microorganism, fungus, an insect (millions of specimens) on board during a world wide flood.

[ElProximo]

@Poeticnuisance

No, I don't believe any of that happened by 'magic' but by an 'ID" or 'Creator' or 'Inventor'. We see complex working information systems built today but by 'Creators' and 'IDs'.

See, you believe that rock sludge transformed into hawks, grass and frogs into princes,

but,

the worst thing is that you think this came about by 'happenstance'. By some unguided natural forces that just happened to create these complex working information systems.

Now THAT is 'magic'!

[Poeticnuisance]

@ElProximo What the evidence supports (this has been observed thousands of times) is that life forms change over time. Nowhere in science will you see a statement involving one animal spontaneously turning into another. That isn't evolution. I suggest you develop a comprehensive understanding of what the theory DOES say before offering fallacious statements.

If your theory has such merit then by all means; present the evidence and lets analyze it like we would in a real debate.

[ElProximo]

@Poeticnuisance

How BOLD! How 'strong' of you to bring out 'your theory' that dares announce 'life forms change over time'. Wow.. BEAT THAT!

Huh?

Problem for you is that Creationists agree with that.

So there is no debate there.

That is over. No debate to begin with. TOTAL Agreement.

Now what tough guy?

I still say the ToE is rubbish and you DO believe animals turned into other animals.

Keep in mind I was a full-on devotee to ToE and used to mock doubters. So think before you bluff now.

Thx

[Poeticnuisance]

@ElProximo If you agree that animals change over time, then what is your objection to evolution?

And if you see such profound evidence of a "designer," please; show me.

[ElProximo]

@Poeticnuisance You are falling for a silly word game where the word 'Evolution' is a broad umbrella term and if I agree to one direction you catch me.. aha.. then I must agree with ALL directions. Do you agree with 'moving'? Things move right? Well I say gravity moves things up. No? But you just AGREED things move! Let me show you something moving down. SEE!? You agree right? So what problem can you have with my theory gravity moves things up??? Get it? See the problem?

[Poeticnuisance]

@ElProximo Actually, no. Evolution is not an umbrella term. Evolution does not explain anything beyond the diversity of life on our planet. There are other theories that specifically address other elements of reality.

Bio diversity does not explain planet formation. You cannot use biology to explain geology. You can't use astrophysics to study DNA. Do YOU see the problem?

[ElProximo]

@Poeticnuisance

Evolution is a word to describe an 'unfolding' and is a word like 'moving'. I agree 'umbrella term' is not the best to describe how ToE people use the word 'Evolution'. They use it more like a magicians trick.

In reality everything might 'evolve' My car tires 'evolve' over the summer. Your body will 'evolve' over time. Football games will 'evolve'.

A falling ball 'moves' but this doesn't mean gravity also pulls it 'up'. Do YOU see the problem?

[Poeticnuisance]

@ElProximo Yes, I do see the problem. I see somebody deliberately fueling misunderstanding of a comprehensive scientific theory because it violates your personal belief. I see somebody who is not interested in pursuit of the truth, but rather irrationally rejecting anything that contradicts your first century myths.

There is NO evidence for intelligent design, there is no basis for a system in which the earth is only 6 thousand years old, and to think otherwise is willful ignorance.

[ElProximo]

@Poeticnuisance

Run away, run away. Lets get real here - you are fighting for Evolution because, in your mind, you believe it is something that would or should hurt Christianity and (in your mind) right-wing conservative types of philosophies. You don't really care about science. In fact you will happily damage science if it serves your political and philosophical purposes. Right?

[Poeticnuisance]

@ElProximo Now you're just talking complete nonsense lol.

Actually, i do care about science. Point of fact, I TEACH science. My political orientation has nothing to do with it. I don't (never did) lean to either side. My problem with the religions left is that you abandon reason, hard fact, in the face of bronze age fantasies. And, I suppose, the fact that you brainwash your children into it with hellfire threats and eternal alienation. Its cruelty beyond my ability to describe.

[Poeticnuisance]

@Poeticnuisance In favor of* (correcting 'in the face of')

[ElProximo]

@Poeticnuisance

That you brainwash children to believe they are retarded monkeys leads to more cruelty in the world today than I can describe here. You don't teach it because it is scientific. You teach it because it conforms to the antichristian gnostic sciencism beliefs you want winning.

You may value science but you will happily sell it out IF you believe it hurts Christianity.. which you HATE.

The good news? Your 19th pseudoscience is losing and dying now. Good riddance.

[Poeticnuisance]

@ElProximo lol And your nonsense continues to be a subject of great amusement to me :)

[ElProximo]

@Poeticnuisance

No it doesn't. It intimidates you and makes you feel vindictive inside.

[Poeticnuisance]

@ElProximo Well, argue your assumptions then, since that's all you have left. :)

[ElProximo]

@Poeticnuisance

I'm taking that as a " yes, you're right but I won't admit it" lol

[Poeticnuisance]

@ElProximo I used to be a devout christian, so suggesting I am intimidated by it is ridiculous. Angry with it, yes. I was devalued, taught that I was less than a man, and that I needed to reject everything that contradicted the bible without question. I had to fight to break outside that shell, so I will admit there is a great deal of resentment for the belief system that even still tries to impose itself on my mind. I will follow the evidence, sir, regardless of what my preconceptions are.

[Poeticnuisance]

@ElProximo So before you make any more assumptions, lets be clear on what my stance is. I have made no such assumptions toward you.

[Poeticnuisance]

@ElProximo Point of interest, I don't teach children. Neither do I hate your religion, I hate what you are doing with your religion. Anything rational hurts Christianity, because Christianity does not embrace rational beliefs. There are still members of your church who believe that dinosaurs shared the earth with human beings. lol And you talk about pseudoscience? Please. I get more sophisticated arguments from the freshmen I teach.

[Poeticnuisance]

@ElProximo So go on, and pollute your mind with this religious non science, because I am done wasting my time explaining elementary science to adults.

[Poeticnuisance]

@ElProximo What you are proposing is that evolution supports some wild mutation of a bird becoming a rabbit... which is total nonsense. You're parroting objections which have been voiced a thousand times, and if you actually had any genuine interest in understanding, then you wouldn't be arguing that point.

[Poeticnuisance]

@ElProximo Evolution is a poor explanation? Yes, yours is so much more logical.

[truthformeandyou]

But there is not a sacred interpretation of Darwinian evolution that fundamentalist Christians will accept. It's not a "sacred" theory - it's based on non-sacred facts. And, why just "Chrisians" - what about Jews? Muslims? and others who believe in creation myths? Down panders to Christians and just makes things up to pacify their bias to believing in the supernatural and mythical. His knowledge of the history and philosophy of science is quite weak in his book.

[effik3]

interesting view...

this man is intelligent and well spoken.

[OutbackMojo]

This happened in the "Land of the Free" isn;t it? HEEHEHE. How dare you people LEARN or QUESTION. HEHEHEHE.

Next thing you'll tell me is they don;t believe Hitler was re-incarnated as Bush.

HAHAHAH

God bless you all cause "Devine Intervention" is the only way Seppo's are going anywhere.

HAHAHA

[ResonantFrequency]

It's great that he's trying to bring more YEC's to understanding evolution but he's still doing it for bad reasons. He originally chose not to believe it because it conflicted with his religion and then only chose to bleieve when he could reconcile that. So rather than believe it based on the evidence, he simply accepted it once it passed his religious test.

[LionKimbro]

Michael Dowd accepted Evolution on evidence before he was enthusiastic about it; Around 1988 I think he met Thomas Berry, (google it,) and then he became enthusiastic about evolution. But my understanding is that Michael accepted evolution first, on evidence. Youtube for "Thank God for Evolution - Mike Dowd" for him saying just this.

[gabrieljoelrutledge]

Right on Discover Inst....right on.

[TheBloodyLam]

woot

[DaxxFinsta]

I am still waiting for any scientific papers from them. They don't even have a scientific therory, just a hypothethis.

[Scrapheap71]

The main problem with "theistic evolution" is that it helps mask the fact that religion is a false belief. I wish that all theists were YEC's so that it would make atheism look more credible.

[duanekuss]

Michael Dowds is really on the forefront of a movement that is about to explode around this country and around the world. I have read his book and I agree with most of the insights he brings to light. His vision can bridge atheists and all religious alike. I love his reference to each of us having our cosmic beginnings as star dust.