i see so its a style that is more on countering and seems to be very fast because its used for close ranged fighting like wing chun but notice his feet it seems he carries it slightly then puts back down basically every strike is as strong as a heavy weight boxer's punch
lol this is what people are going aroun saying "o this reminds me of hakka mantis WAHAHAHAHA comon this is wack! watch you get knocked out doing this style
@TheShaolinScholar why is your name shaolin? and scholar ontop of that? if you were a scholar you would know that hakka martial arts are some of the few that can legitimately trace themselves to the shaolin temple. what do you think shaolin should look like then?
this is real talent,all styles are evolutions from another,mma being the 2011 camaro and cma being the big block yenko camaro.they both rock,it just depends on what YOU like and the application at hand.imho,im more apt to bet my money on the 50 yr old ironworker vs the 20 yr old mma fighter,seen the outcome and it was kind of a surprise,we had to pull that big man off that kid.so merely the style by which you practice does not decide the outcome of a match,its the mindset and determination.
from what ive seen close up in most mma bouts are sloppy,wild thrown punches,guys with horrendous tattoos and bad haircuts.case in point:im much older than my co-workers,they all train mma,they all wear the affliction shirts,they train night and day and live like rockstars.we all got onto this mma vs. cma topic,in their atmosphere,at their gym,none of them were very effective against one old guy :) they didnt have patience,breathing control and they out paced themselves very quickly 3-0
I am not a Hakka praying mantis player, but I have worked this very form many times. He is very good. There are variations depending on the person's size and training. I like what he is doing.
@FightersOnlyMagazine Look bro I've been a boxer for about 3 years now, I've done MMA, BJJ, Muay Thai, and some Judo and let me tell you none of that prepares you for fighting on the streets. These Kung fu fighters could beat the crap out of alot of people.
@systemofadown54 - thats a complete lie; if you had studied even one of the arts you mentioned you would find this video as laughable as i do. Dont make shit up just to try and win an argument on the internet. There is no way anyone who has boxed for 3 months, let alone 3 years, would take kung fu seriously.
utterly nonsensical; if you think this in any way relates to what real fighting is, you are an idiot. A complete idiot. A 16-year-old amateur boxer would make mincemeat of this guy.
You are another one of those mma fucken idiot. I do muay thai and takes another style of kung fu (white crane) on the sides, and i can rest assure you this Praying Mantis is an extremely powerful fist style amongst all chinese kung fu if done correctly , they use a different power generation technique from *within* , takes yrs to master, I 've seen in real life a praying mantis master *easily* smashing 6 wooden baseball bats with his arms within 3 seconds in one move
@bigfatdick5000 - no you have not; you have never seen that, because it did not happen. Dont make shit up to try and prove a point on the internet, thats pathetic.
I recognize this form. I used to practice it in association with one of Henry Poo Yee's students. (Now at this point let the silly kung fu infighting begin as everyone hollers about lineage and true students and blather blather blather.) I could never do it as well as this guy. I love youtube
Awesome! Very impressive! has the essence of Taan Geng Ging -
As for whether it is authentic or the real thing forget it! Kung Fu of every style has evolved and evolved adn I myself practice Bamboo Forest Mantis and I am a Hakka man. i have seen many strains.styles. This is definitely very skilful adn definitely tops!
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this is definitely not hakka style. it got elements of southern mantis, but it is nothing to do hakka system. how many styles of hakka anyway? it is certainly not from the hakka system which i have practising for 25 years. I was dispointed people just water down the southern praying mantis. There is only one southern mantis, hakka mantis. But today so called chow, chu, bamboo forest are just plain water down version of the original system. this people give mantis bad name.
Andrew is hakka by birth... don't know if that helps. He did study both southern mantis and other hakka arts. My understanding when i was with him was that southern mantis was a hakka style they called mantis to hide it from the manchurian rulers. Is this understanding flawed. If so please explain??
To say he doesn't look very powerful, is to say you know nothing of internal mechanics. He is displaying an advanced knowledge of internal body movement here. Great video, thanks.
@FightersOnlyMagazine : Any average joe can punch with his hips and muscles. You think that the guy in this video can't fight like a muay thai fighter? Sure he can. And I bet he's pretty good at it too. But if you learn how to fight hakkastyle, you don't need that much musclepower and big movements. You just target the weakest points like the eyes, throat and groin.Learn to fight like that and you'll win any no-rule fight, let alone defend yourself on the street. Learn your shit man.
@Anandfulness - oh my god, i dont know where to start. You just "attack the eyes throat and groin" - uh huh, coz its that easy attacking small targets like that against a resisting opponent. Professional boxers spend their whole lives throwing punches and still manage to miss more often than they land during boxing matches. But some goofballs who spend their days doing kata/forms/whatever are going to land precise hard strikes to these small targets at will; sure
@FightersOnlyMagazine : You're an idiot. What are you talking about? Small targets? The groin and the throat are SMALL targets? I pity you. You are living inside some kind of fantasy world where fighting happens under some kind of ruleset. Rofl. Next time someone eyegouges you, don't come complaining to your trainer that he wasn't fighting fair. Hahaha
@Anandfulness - yes, they are small targets compared to the head, body, thigh etc. If you had ever been in a proper fight, or even done hard sparring, you would know that adrenaline compromises your hand-to-eye and fine-motor skills, making it harder to land super-precise shots. Of course, your throat is not small comparde to, i dont know, a pea or something, but in the context of a full-on fight, you are going to find it hard to land strikes to that area repeatedly and precisely
@Anandfulness - no, no they cant. Not any average joe can punch PROPERLY with their hips and muscles. In fact watching the average joe throw punches is like watching fat people clmb stairs; funny at first, nauseating after a while. It takes lonnnnnnng hours of repetition and correction to throw punches properly like a boxer; even professional kickboxers generally have poor punching compared to true boxers. Open your mind.
@FightersOnlyMagazine : Learning how to punch with your hips and muscles is COMPARATIVELY easy if you compare to hakka-style fighting. That's why boxing doesn't take long to master. A lot of kids go into professional boxing after 5 years training. Sure, they improve over time but with hakka, it can take you over 10 years for you to be able to fight with it. It's clear who doesn't have an open mind here, You don't know anything about martial arts outside the competitive environment.
@Anandfulness - boxing doesnt take long to master? You're joking right?? And if this Hakka thing takes ten years to master, 91) whats the point? Thats ten years of getting your ass kicked and (2) if this guy in the video is an example of a master in this system, then you low-end guys must SUCK. I mean, this is laughable stuff, really comic. I'm sorry but its nothing like real fighting.
@FightersOnlyMagazine : Comparing boxing and hakka is like comparing a farmer and a biologist. A farmer can learn how to plant seeds very quickly and he will have results very soon. A biologist will study for years but in the end he will know more and have a better understanding of it all.
And on the'' small target'' argument, you are wrong. I do a lot of sparring in my school with throat protectors and while the face is easier to hit, the throat is a valid target. You are totally mistaken.
@Anandfulness - you allegory is nonsense. If you want to talk about mastery and understanding of fighting then that will pass to ACTUAL FIGHTERS such as boxers, kickboxers and MMA fighters; there is only so much you can learn from books or forms, especially if those books and forms are largely nonsense to begin with.
i am not some hardcore MMA guy by the way, i study Muay Thai and boxing and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu pretty much separately, with the occasional foray into mixed martial arts
@FightersOnlyMagazine: My experience lies only with sanda, which I was pushed into by my father at the age of 10. I stopped at 16.
I was critical of my kung fu off course but free-sparring and applications have always convinced me that it works. You are too quick to judge martial arts that don't follow the same ''competitive'' principles. Competition is just a lower form of martial arts. Take away all our most effective techniques and it's clear that we will do very badly in competition. lol
@FightersOnlyMagazine : It's clear to me that you lack basic knowledge of basic kung fu.
First off all, knowing how to fight is not the only goal of kung fu. It takes a long time because there are a lot of things we try to master. Not only fighting. All of these things work together in the end and form a cumulative, effective fightingstyle that works under any situation.
Secondly, you don't know how the system works so you can't see what is happening. So your commentary is not interesting.
@Anandfulness - Our argument is about the combat effectiveness of the techniques displayed in this video, not kung fu meditation or family or whatever.
I dont know how the system works but i know how fighting works and there are a limited number of strikes that the human body can deliver; the power and speed of these delivery systems is minimized or maximized by correct physical positioning and movement. The punches and kicks delivered in this video are horrendous in terms of body mechanics
@FightersOnlyMagazine :''The punches and kicks delivered in this video are horrendous in terms of body mechanics''
This is funny because if even one of these strikes would hit you in the throat or any other vital area, you would need hospital treatment. This man knows how to perform a hakka-form and I think he also knows how to fight with hakka. Be aware of the ignorance you are displaying here.
@FightersOnlyMagazine I must say your statements reveal that you know absolutely nothing about the southernmantis systems especially jooklum & how the internal shocking power is developed and the way strikes are delivered using it .Please don't talk about gungfu systems if you have know real knowledge of them .
@liverqiconstraint - you kung fu idiots are all the same; instead of going "hmm, i wonder if these critics have a point? perhaps i will investigate", you all go "OMG my art is being threatened, i am being invalidated, if he is right then i have wasted all this time". Open your eyes/mind/ears.
@FightersOnlyMagazine and you MMA idiots are all the same. "oh look he's using traditional martial arts, how stupid and useless is that...haha what a bunch of crap." Why not follow your own advice, shut up, open your eyes and learn something?
@GinXYZ - but why would i want to "open my eyes and learn" a bunch of crap? Just because you believe in it? Its nonsense. Its pretend make-believe roleplay for people who want to think they know about fighting but dont have to go through the blood sweat and tears of hard contact and hard training. Its cloaked in a load of mumbo-jumbo, rules and mysticism to protect its bullshit from too much questioning by students and outsiders, much like most cults and religions actually.
@FightersOnlyMagazine That's a pretty ignorant blanket statement to make. I could just easily say that modern MMA is just guys rolling around on the ground hoping for that they get a chance to hit each other. Would that be right? You talk about how useless traditional martial arts are and how awesome MMA is; yet you're simply a hypocrite. You are so blinded by the supposed glory of MMA that you're incapable of even considering anything else. You are as brainwashed as those you vilify.
@liverqiconstraint - riiiiight, so you've taken what i said, and said it back to me? great arguing, you really backed up your points well there. Tell you what, you go and investigate first seeing as i suggested it first.
Also, purely incidentally, we had a high ranking Nam Pai Chuan guy recently join our gym after realising he had spent ten years on this pointless crap; he has plenty of heart but even the teenagers are wasting him in sparring.
@FightersOnlyMagazine What points do you suggest I back up? What investigations have you done? I've already investigated through years of training, what I've discovered is that there are many aspects of training. Every MMA guy that I've encountered has a very crude understanding of martial arts. Usually what they practice is lacking the art, sensitivity, or any deep understanding of body mechanics.
@liverqiconstraint It is clear to me that FightersOnlyMagazine is only interested in competition and martial sports with quick results. He is not interested in martial arts as self defense or tradition. Techniques like strikes to the eyes, throat, back of the head, and groin OR eyegouges, biting and small joint manipulation are unknown to him. He has never seen a hakka-master at work and he definitely knows nothing about the differences between self-defense and competition. It's just sad.
@Anandfulness - you can waffle as much as you like in a bid to make yourself feel better. My original criticism of this video was that it has no martial application; thats all we are arguing about. The techniques you list are not unknown to me and indeed are not unknown to the average schoolboy; they are largely instinctive. While you practice eye-gouges in your forms in the empty air, there are people practicing double-leg takedowns, collar chokes, hip throws, leg kicks. These people can fight.
@FightersOnlyMagazine : In the empty air? Sorry but we do sparring with facemasks, slower applications without facemasks, punching bags, BOB training (a human replica) and we have a wooden doll.
Sorry but your complaints and commentary of kung fu is invalid. You don't know the first thing about traditional kung fu and I bet you don't even know that we practice the same techniques (double-leg takedowns, collar chokes, hip throws, leg kicks) that you mentioned. ''Know your shit'' lol
@Anandfulness Re: "quick results". Finally, someone said it like it is. Its a thing of this day and age. People want quick results. They don't want to spend years refining an art form because they are not artists! You cannot expect a house painter to do what a master artist does. Yet you cannot also expect an artist to paint a house. But you can very easily get the artist to learn quickly how to paint a house. The reverse... is not true.
@liverqiconstraint And furthermore, it is sad that a lot of mma-fighters lack the understanding of basic fundamentals of traditional kung fu. Meditation, the family structure and the traditions are looked upon as mere trivialities for them... While in actuality, these are extremely important! Getting rid of the ego and your inner hindrances is just as important as knowing how to knockout your opponent. And that's the difference between a martial artist and a regular fighter.
@Anandfulness - no, thats a load of mumbo jumbo that people who are fundamentally afraid of real fighting use to justify their non-participation in full-contact forms of the martial arts.
The martial arts are no more about family structure than soccer is about cooking. The martial arts are for martial purposes, there is a clue in the name! By the way, getting rid of the ego is essential to contact martial arts; it produces anger which clouds judgement and hinders performance. You are clueless.
@FightersOnlyMagazine ALL techniques found in mma can be found in classical arts i guarantee you. i have a question how come every single of you mma people say karate sucks then lyoto machida comes by and you guys respect karate. why did you guys disrespect judo and then karo parisyan came by and now you think its up to bjj. why not just respect all arts?
@liverqiconstraint - the simplest way of putting it, is that a five-year MMA student would absolutely batter the average 5, 10 or 20 year kung fu student. Thats about as simply as i can put it. I have sparred hard with people from several kung fu disciplines and the only one that i did not find utterly laughable was SanShou; the rest made me feel sorry for them. We had a ten-year black belt in some kung fu system come to our school and get hammered by 3-month BJJ white belts. Its embarassing
@FightersOnlyMagazine I know what you are getting at. That's because you are training only to fight. Martial arts is much more than that. Over the years I've had in depth training in Tae Kwon Do, wrestling, Judo, Jujutsu, and have landed on Taijiquan and other internal arts. What I've discovered is that all styles train different aspects of the same thing. Sure, one training method can yield faster "results" than another but not without a sacrifice. I prefer to deeply refine my skills.
how much strength does it take to put an eye out or to crush your windpipe. either that to push and pull you until your stifened spine snaps or you get whip lash? your right it wont hurt, itll kill you
It would not hurt........it will feel like an internal explosion that radiates outward from the point of contact...You will want to die before you get hit again.
This style is based on destruction not hurting you.
It is a soft style art like tai chi chuan......relaxed and fluid with lightning fast technique.
@GinXYZ - sure, i'll spend a load of money on a plane ticket to wherever this guy is, just to laugh at him. Nothing would happen. He couldnt do anything in a fight against someone trained in even semi-legit arts (of which this is not one)
i see so its a style that is more on countering and seems to be very fast because its used for close ranged fighting like wing chun but notice his feet it seems he carries it slightly then puts back down basically every strike is as strong as a heavy weight boxer's punch
cedricgabionza 1 month ago
i dont really know much bout Hakka, but this dude has some serious ging. good kung fu.
SourBuddha 2 months ago
lol this is what people are going aroun saying "o this reminds me of hakka mantis WAHAHAHAHA comon this is wack! watch you get knocked out doing this style
TheShaolinScholar 7 months ago
@TheShaolinScholar why is your name shaolin? and scholar ontop of that? if you were a scholar you would know that hakka martial arts are some of the few that can legitimately trace themselves to the shaolin temple. what do you think shaolin should look like then?
iMisogynist 5 months ago
this is real talent,all styles are evolutions from another,mma being the 2011 camaro and cma being the big block yenko camaro.they both rock,it just depends on what YOU like and the application at hand.imho,im more apt to bet my money on the 50 yr old ironworker vs the 20 yr old mma fighter,seen the outcome and it was kind of a surprise,we had to pull that big man off that kid.so merely the style by which you practice does not decide the outcome of a match,its the mindset and determination.
strongarmconcrete 10 months ago
from what ive seen close up in most mma bouts are sloppy,wild thrown punches,guys with horrendous tattoos and bad haircuts.case in point:im much older than my co-workers,they all train mma,they all wear the affliction shirts,they train night and day and live like rockstars.we all got onto this mma vs. cma topic,in their atmosphere,at their gym,none of them were very effective against one old guy :) they didnt have patience,breathing control and they out paced themselves very quickly 3-0
strongarmconcrete 10 months ago
I am not a Hakka praying mantis player, but I have worked this very form many times. He is very good. There are variations depending on the person's size and training. I like what he is doing.
AcudocFritz 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine Look bro I've been a boxer for about 3 years now, I've done MMA, BJJ, Muay Thai, and some Judo and let me tell you none of that prepares you for fighting on the streets. These Kung fu fighters could beat the crap out of alot of people.
systemofadown54 1 year ago
@systemofadown54 - thats a complete lie; if you had studied even one of the arts you mentioned you would find this video as laughable as i do. Dont make shit up just to try and win an argument on the internet. There is no way anyone who has boxed for 3 months, let alone 3 years, would take kung fu seriously.
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
very quick simultaneous strikes and defence similair to Wing Chun. Interesting
Daddyo94521 1 year ago
jerry lewis style
theCrumpler 1 year ago
mantis get beaten by drunk man in street with brick any day
blueingreentrain 1 year ago
@blueingreentrain Uhhhh. No.
LiveMusicLove121 1 year ago
utterly nonsensical; if you think this in any way relates to what real fighting is, you are an idiot. A complete idiot. A 16-year-old amateur boxer would make mincemeat of this guy.
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine
You are another one of those mma fucken idiot. I do muay thai and takes another style of kung fu (white crane) on the sides, and i can rest assure you this Praying Mantis is an extremely powerful fist style amongst all chinese kung fu if done correctly , they use a different power generation technique from *within* , takes yrs to master, I 've seen in real life a praying mantis master *easily* smashing 6 wooden baseball bats with his arms within 3 seconds in one move
bigfatdick5000 1 year ago
@bigfatdick5000 - no you have not; you have never seen that, because it did not happen. Dont make shit up to try and prove a point on the internet, thats pathetic.
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
isn't it awesome how his hands vibrate from that awesome ging of his ?
thejuzboi2 1 year ago
Sifu Chung teaches Wing Chun, Southern Praying Mantis, Southern Dragon, Hsing Yi, Bagua and Yang Style Taiji.
SIG556SWAT 2 years ago
holy crap. amazing fa jin!
yieldingbamboo 2 years ago
slick
bjamz822 2 years ago
Bravo! I love the jing in his movements.
Isn't he also a Wing Chun man?
narayanr 2 years ago
yes he is.
vesmtnes 2 years ago
cool. He looked a little unbalanced during the 3 power strikes but the "free hand" stuff is amazing. Was he really taught by Poo Yee?
tkungfool 2 years ago
no he was not.
vesmtnes 2 years ago
I recognize this form. I used to practice it in association with one of Henry Poo Yee's students. (Now at this point let the silly kung fu infighting begin as everyone hollers about lineage and true students and blather blather blather.) I could never do it as well as this guy. I love youtube
TheHerm18 3 years ago
Very Impressive indeed! This guy has developed the Hakka Mantis Ging (or the shock power) to a very high degree. Lovely to watch!
tongsifu1128 3 years ago
Awesome! Very impressive! has the essence of Taan Geng Ging -
As for whether it is authentic or the real thing forget it! Kung Fu of every style has evolved and evolved adn I myself practice Bamboo Forest Mantis and I am a Hakka man. i have seen many strains.styles. This is definitely very skilful adn definitely tops!
tongsifu1128 3 years ago
I believe I know what you mean. I Studied Bamboo Forest in the UK and noticed it is very different from whats going on in the USA.
tonglongkid 2 years ago
wow!! :O this guy is awesome :O:O:O
jiszmo 3 years ago
wow, very sanchinny.
AAAhmed46 3 years ago
Wow!! this guy is awesome, never see fajin like this!! thanks for the post.
chungming27 4 years ago
sweet.
Yarwer 4 years ago
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this is definitely not hakka style. it got elements of southern mantis, but it is nothing to do hakka system. how many styles of hakka anyway? it is certainly not from the hakka system which i have practising for 25 years. I was dispointed people just water down the southern praying mantis. There is only one southern mantis, hakka mantis. But today so called chow, chu, bamboo forest are just plain water down version of the original system. this people give mantis bad name.
kenluikhing 4 years ago
Andrew is hakka by birth... don't know if that helps. He did study both southern mantis and other hakka arts. My understanding when i was with him was that southern mantis was a hakka style they called mantis to hide it from the manchurian rulers. Is this understanding flawed. If so please explain??
utek11 3 years ago
how long were you with him?
1993SG 3 years ago
nice, now this is the real deal!
1ToNJaB 4 years ago
NOW NOW PEOPLE this guy is very very powerful this Prayin Mantis style is explosive.!!!
look at when it starts at 00:16. The blow that it gives will knock you out.!!
toad 4 years ago 3
To say he doesn't look very powerful, is to say you know nothing of internal mechanics. He is displaying an advanced knowledge of internal body movement here. Great video, thanks.
littlecannon 4 years ago
I can't believe this is on here -- and some of the other internals as well -- Its good to see out in frount of the public finally .....
shardav 4 years ago
@shardav - why? Its embarrassing to watch, cringeworthy. No martial application whatsoever, its like a spastic fit
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine : Any average joe can punch with his hips and muscles. You think that the guy in this video can't fight like a muay thai fighter? Sure he can. And I bet he's pretty good at it too. But if you learn how to fight hakkastyle, you don't need that much musclepower and big movements. You just target the weakest points like the eyes, throat and groin.Learn to fight like that and you'll win any no-rule fight, let alone defend yourself on the street. Learn your shit man.
Anandfulness 1 year ago
@Anandfulness - oh my god, i dont know where to start. You just "attack the eyes throat and groin" - uh huh, coz its that easy attacking small targets like that against a resisting opponent. Professional boxers spend their whole lives throwing punches and still manage to miss more often than they land during boxing matches. But some goofballs who spend their days doing kata/forms/whatever are going to land precise hard strikes to these small targets at will; sure
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine : You're an idiot. What are you talking about? Small targets? The groin and the throat are SMALL targets? I pity you. You are living inside some kind of fantasy world where fighting happens under some kind of ruleset. Rofl. Next time someone eyegouges you, don't come complaining to your trainer that he wasn't fighting fair. Hahaha
Anandfulness 1 year ago
@Anandfulness - yes, they are small targets compared to the head, body, thigh etc. If you had ever been in a proper fight, or even done hard sparring, you would know that adrenaline compromises your hand-to-eye and fine-motor skills, making it harder to land super-precise shots. Of course, your throat is not small comparde to, i dont know, a pea or something, but in the context of a full-on fight, you are going to find it hard to land strikes to that area repeatedly and precisely
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
@Anandfulness - no, no they cant. Not any average joe can punch PROPERLY with their hips and muscles. In fact watching the average joe throw punches is like watching fat people clmb stairs; funny at first, nauseating after a while. It takes lonnnnnnng hours of repetition and correction to throw punches properly like a boxer; even professional kickboxers generally have poor punching compared to true boxers. Open your mind.
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine : Learning how to punch with your hips and muscles is COMPARATIVELY easy if you compare to hakka-style fighting. That's why boxing doesn't take long to master. A lot of kids go into professional boxing after 5 years training. Sure, they improve over time but with hakka, it can take you over 10 years for you to be able to fight with it. It's clear who doesn't have an open mind here, You don't know anything about martial arts outside the competitive environment.
Anandfulness 1 year ago
@Anandfulness - boxing doesnt take long to master? You're joking right?? And if this Hakka thing takes ten years to master, 91) whats the point? Thats ten years of getting your ass kicked and (2) if this guy in the video is an example of a master in this system, then you low-end guys must SUCK. I mean, this is laughable stuff, really comic. I'm sorry but its nothing like real fighting.
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine : Comparing boxing and hakka is like comparing a farmer and a biologist. A farmer can learn how to plant seeds very quickly and he will have results very soon. A biologist will study for years but in the end he will know more and have a better understanding of it all.
And on the'' small target'' argument, you are wrong. I do a lot of sparring in my school with throat protectors and while the face is easier to hit, the throat is a valid target. You are totally mistaken.
Anandfulness 1 year ago
@Anandfulness - you allegory is nonsense. If you want to talk about mastery and understanding of fighting then that will pass to ACTUAL FIGHTERS such as boxers, kickboxers and MMA fighters; there is only so much you can learn from books or forms, especially if those books and forms are largely nonsense to begin with.
i am not some hardcore MMA guy by the way, i study Muay Thai and boxing and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu pretty much separately, with the occasional foray into mixed martial arts
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine: My experience lies only with sanda, which I was pushed into by my father at the age of 10. I stopped at 16.
I was critical of my kung fu off course but free-sparring and applications have always convinced me that it works. You are too quick to judge martial arts that don't follow the same ''competitive'' principles. Competition is just a lower form of martial arts. Take away all our most effective techniques and it's clear that we will do very badly in competition. lol
Anandfulness 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine : It's clear to me that you lack basic knowledge of basic kung fu.
First off all, knowing how to fight is not the only goal of kung fu. It takes a long time because there are a lot of things we try to master. Not only fighting. All of these things work together in the end and form a cumulative, effective fightingstyle that works under any situation.
Secondly, you don't know how the system works so you can't see what is happening. So your commentary is not interesting.
Anandfulness 1 year ago
@Anandfulness - Our argument is about the combat effectiveness of the techniques displayed in this video, not kung fu meditation or family or whatever.
I dont know how the system works but i know how fighting works and there are a limited number of strikes that the human body can deliver; the power and speed of these delivery systems is minimized or maximized by correct physical positioning and movement. The punches and kicks delivered in this video are horrendous in terms of body mechanics
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine :''The punches and kicks delivered in this video are horrendous in terms of body mechanics''
This is funny because if even one of these strikes would hit you in the throat or any other vital area, you would need hospital treatment. This man knows how to perform a hakka-form and I think he also knows how to fight with hakka. Be aware of the ignorance you are displaying here.
Anandfulness 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine I must say your statements reveal that you know absolutely nothing about the southernmantis systems especially jooklum & how the internal shocking power is developed and the way strikes are delivered using it .Please don't talk about gungfu systems if you have know real knowledge of them .
TheChiFlows 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine perhaps if you were more skilled yourself then the martial application would become apparent.
liverqiconstraint 1 year ago
@liverqiconstraint - you kung fu idiots are all the same; instead of going "hmm, i wonder if these critics have a point? perhaps i will investigate", you all go "OMG my art is being threatened, i am being invalidated, if he is right then i have wasted all this time". Open your eyes/mind/ears.
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine and you MMA idiots are all the same. "oh look he's using traditional martial arts, how stupid and useless is that...haha what a bunch of crap." Why not follow your own advice, shut up, open your eyes and learn something?
GinXYZ 1 year ago
@GinXYZ - but why would i want to "open my eyes and learn" a bunch of crap? Just because you believe in it? Its nonsense. Its pretend make-believe roleplay for people who want to think they know about fighting but dont have to go through the blood sweat and tears of hard contact and hard training. Its cloaked in a load of mumbo-jumbo, rules and mysticism to protect its bullshit from too much questioning by students and outsiders, much like most cults and religions actually.
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine That's a pretty ignorant blanket statement to make. I could just easily say that modern MMA is just guys rolling around on the ground hoping for that they get a chance to hit each other. Would that be right? You talk about how useless traditional martial arts are and how awesome MMA is; yet you're simply a hypocrite. You are so blinded by the supposed glory of MMA that you're incapable of even considering anything else. You are as brainwashed as those you vilify.
GinXYZ 1 year ago 7
@FightersOnlyMagazine actually I think you expressed your own fears perfectly. Perhaps you should should do some further investigation yourself.
liverqiconstraint 1 year ago
@liverqiconstraint - riiiiight, so you've taken what i said, and said it back to me? great arguing, you really backed up your points well there. Tell you what, you go and investigate first seeing as i suggested it first.
Also, purely incidentally, we had a high ranking Nam Pai Chuan guy recently join our gym after realising he had spent ten years on this pointless crap; he has plenty of heart but even the teenagers are wasting him in sparring.
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine What points do you suggest I back up? What investigations have you done? I've already investigated through years of training, what I've discovered is that there are many aspects of training. Every MMA guy that I've encountered has a very crude understanding of martial arts. Usually what they practice is lacking the art, sensitivity, or any deep understanding of body mechanics.
liverqiconstraint 1 year ago
@liverqiconstraint It is clear to me that FightersOnlyMagazine is only interested in competition and martial sports with quick results. He is not interested in martial arts as self defense or tradition. Techniques like strikes to the eyes, throat, back of the head, and groin OR eyegouges, biting and small joint manipulation are unknown to him. He has never seen a hakka-master at work and he definitely knows nothing about the differences between self-defense and competition. It's just sad.
Anandfulness 1 year ago
@Anandfulness - you can waffle as much as you like in a bid to make yourself feel better. My original criticism of this video was that it has no martial application; thats all we are arguing about. The techniques you list are not unknown to me and indeed are not unknown to the average schoolboy; they are largely instinctive. While you practice eye-gouges in your forms in the empty air, there are people practicing double-leg takedowns, collar chokes, hip throws, leg kicks. These people can fight.
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine : In the empty air? Sorry but we do sparring with facemasks, slower applications without facemasks, punching bags, BOB training (a human replica) and we have a wooden doll.
Sorry but your complaints and commentary of kung fu is invalid. You don't know the first thing about traditional kung fu and I bet you don't even know that we practice the same techniques (double-leg takedowns, collar chokes, hip throws, leg kicks) that you mentioned. ''Know your shit'' lol
Anandfulness 1 year ago
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Anandfulness 1 year ago
@Anandfulness Re: "quick results". Finally, someone said it like it is. Its a thing of this day and age. People want quick results. They don't want to spend years refining an art form because they are not artists! You cannot expect a house painter to do what a master artist does. Yet you cannot also expect an artist to paint a house. But you can very easily get the artist to learn quickly how to paint a house. The reverse... is not true.
teemad 1 year ago
@teemad : Good comparison you make there. I was going to say that it's like comparing a farmer and a botanist.
But your comparison is better. I also like to see kung fu as an art.
Anandfulness 1 year ago
@liverqiconstraint And furthermore, it is sad that a lot of mma-fighters lack the understanding of basic fundamentals of traditional kung fu. Meditation, the family structure and the traditions are looked upon as mere trivialities for them... While in actuality, these are extremely important! Getting rid of the ego and your inner hindrances is just as important as knowing how to knockout your opponent. And that's the difference between a martial artist and a regular fighter.
Anandfulness 1 year ago
@Anandfulness - no, thats a load of mumbo jumbo that people who are fundamentally afraid of real fighting use to justify their non-participation in full-contact forms of the martial arts.
The martial arts are no more about family structure than soccer is about cooking. The martial arts are for martial purposes, there is a clue in the name! By the way, getting rid of the ego is essential to contact martial arts; it produces anger which clouds judgement and hinders performance. You are clueless.
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine ALL techniques found in mma can be found in classical arts i guarantee you. i have a question how come every single of you mma people say karate sucks then lyoto machida comes by and you guys respect karate. why did you guys disrespect judo and then karo parisyan came by and now you think its up to bjj. why not just respect all arts?
NahaShuriTomari 11 months ago
@liverqiconstraint - the simplest way of putting it, is that a five-year MMA student would absolutely batter the average 5, 10 or 20 year kung fu student. Thats about as simply as i can put it. I have sparred hard with people from several kung fu disciplines and the only one that i did not find utterly laughable was SanShou; the rest made me feel sorry for them. We had a ten-year black belt in some kung fu system come to our school and get hammered by 3-month BJJ white belts. Its embarassing
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine I know what you are getting at. That's because you are training only to fight. Martial arts is much more than that. Over the years I've had in depth training in Tae Kwon Do, wrestling, Judo, Jujutsu, and have landed on Taijiquan and other internal arts. What I've discovered is that all styles train different aspects of the same thing. Sure, one training method can yield faster "results" than another but not without a sacrifice. I prefer to deeply refine my skills.
liverqiconstraint 1 year ago
can u beat kimbo with that dance??'
yukatanDX 4 years ago
Is this Jook Lum?
ExplodingGing 4 years ago
sifu andy is my hero
ziqiantransforms 4 years ago
exactly
what you see doesnt exist, its what you dont see
shaoboxer 5 years ago
its what you dont see that is amazing....
kidd003 5 years ago
Sifu chungs teacher was Poo yee. I was a student of sifu chung for ten years mainly wing chun. He is awesome.
GuruMario 5 years ago
Really, Poo Yee? Yeah, now I see it.
gboucher 4 years ago
Hey Mario! Did you film this?
sandblastskin 4 years ago
Man i don't see who this is very good it looks fucken weak as. Like if it hit me it wont hurt very much?
Sifujetli 5 years ago
how much strength does it take to put an eye out or to crush your windpipe. either that to push and pull you until your stifened spine snaps or you get whip lash? your right it wont hurt, itll kill you
opticannon 4 years ago
@opticannon - you dont know anything about fighting; are you 12? You're going to snap someone's spine by shaking them, really?
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
It would not hurt........it will feel like an internal explosion that radiates outward from the point of contact...You will want to die before you get hit again.
This style is based on destruction not hurting you.
It is a soft style art like tai chi chuan......relaxed and fluid with lightning fast technique.
Lt.
sonyaunna 4 years ago
nothing like taiji, but a great style. tong long is very destructive
andymach33 4 years ago
@sonyaunna - stop talking rubbish
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine Really? Tell you what...you go find this guy and tell him that. See what happens.
GinXYZ 1 year ago
@GinXYZ - sure, i'll spend a load of money on a plane ticket to wherever this guy is, just to laugh at him. Nothing would happen. He couldnt do anything in a fight against someone trained in even semi-legit arts (of which this is not one)
FightersOnlyMagazine 1 year ago
@FightersOnlyMagazine Only someone who doesn't know anything about the fighting arts would say something so stupid. Congratulations.
GinXYZ 1 year ago
This guy'd kick Chuck Liddell's ass! Tito Ortiz too. Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout!
culbriz 5 years ago
very good!
art123abc 5 years ago
Who was his teacher?
gboucher 5 years ago
very powerful. his strikes are full of jin
shaoboxer 5 years ago
Yes! This is the stuff! Wow that was a great demonstration.
madcityroots 5 years ago
unbelievable! truly awesome!
jimmyjoeh2o 5 years ago