SSE Talks - Quantum Mechanics and Consciousness 2/4

[cutes22]

This guy sounds like a door to door salesman.

[actsnfacts]

It is a "dirty" trick and it is false to say one has a CHOICE of what half of the penny the quantum machine has sent him. You might say the wave function will only colapse upon concious observation, but you still don´t get to actually choose what the outcome of the collapsed wavefunction is going to be. Choosing is not part of this game. This is a missrepresentation of what we know of the quantum world.

[SpruikerSlayer]

There's also a probability state where the penny in the envelope can be neither sliced, nor chopped. Like Schrodinger's Cat. 

[nrmcewan]

could be matter related as matter and conciousness are considered to be one system within qm ie entangled as one so i guess they are seen as one and the same, neither could exist without one another sounds logical to me but then i think did matter exist before conciousness or did conciousness exist before matter i think arguments can be made for both chicken and the egg argument i guess i really need an answer to this lol its driving me crazy

[changethestage1]

i think he is talking about with the bell equality is basically cause and effect. everyone knows it exists, just like being happy/sad. sad would never exist without happy. so if your feeling happy then the emotion of being sad is intertangled with that happy emotion, u cant feel it at the time because you are focused on being happy but its existence directly relies on on your prime emotion.

[ICANGO247]

I think consciousness is a state of matter, solid, liquid, gas, plasma, consciouss.

[nrmcewan]

I think hes saying that consciousness may not be material because its appears to be more fundamental than the material particles and it has non local properties ie not operating within timespace but outside of it. This suggests another level of reality an ether of some sort but thats not compatible with classic science so one must be wrong or in need of adjustment but qm is generally considered the more affective theory but who really knows im hoping for answers from the lhc soon