New Glow-Plug Loop System Conversion on Iveco Daily - Control pannel.avi

[monstabridge]

Also how is your red glow plug heater in your latest vid made. Is it just a solid mild steel block with straight through fuel? Are the glow plug hole just drilled and taped to a close tolerance? I'd love to know... Cheers

[monstabridge]

I have watched all your videos and studied the systems.Your 'loop system' is by FAR the best system, it is exactly what I needed to finish my design for my Toyota 3B. I have a few questions about your system. What micron are they and what type (is it a water filter) are used pre pump 1#/and then the standard filter?

What is a good pressure for the IP?

What temp does the thermostat switch at? Please let me know your opinion of my system in the vid. Thanks for your great videos

[backtobasics321]

I have just started getting into veggie oil with my old peugeot 405. I have done some reading and having got my WVO source sorted and filtered.

have started making my pre heater/exchanger. and associated electrics.

Thought your system really good.

thought I would just see what vids were on you tube, and saw your vids. most of what I have been designing/thinking about you have already done!!!

really good stuff!

I live in the west country. if youre ever around these parts let me know.

regards...

[VeggiePower303]

@backtobasics321

Thanks for your comment.

Not too many people really appreciate what this system can do.

Hot filtering the veggie on board is really the cheapest way to run WVO.

I would like to make one suggestion that is not in my videos.

When you build a "loop" system you have to make sure the veggie can only flow in one direction.

Otherwise the injection pump can suck unfiltered veggie and be ruined in a short time.

Use a none return valve just past the T for the injection pump.

Cheers!

[Charles2337]

Can you give us a tour of the van =P

[VeggiePower303]

@Charles2337

The van is empty, I live in a caravan.

I use the van to provide Hauling Services.

Cheers!

[Charles2337]

@VeggiePower303

I see... can you give us a tour of your caravan lol

[macspud28]

Hello, it would be good to see some schematic drawing of both the electrical system and the fuel system. Am you going to put a heat exchanger into the tank so that you can warm the oil in the winter. Do you have any problems with using copper for your heat exchangers? (thought that was a no no, though maybe that for biodiesel)? I take it once you have proved the system has no leaks you are going to insulate all the pipes.

Have you experimented with HHO to make sure the ring don't gum up?

[VeggiePower303]

I will try to think of a way how I could present the system in a schematic drawing.

No I will not put a heater into the tank.

Veggie oil is liquid or semi-liquid down to -5 C.

So below 0C degrees I will start adding 10% gasoline to the tank. Below -10C 20% gasoline, -20C 30% gasoline. I have done it in Chicago 20 years ago.

In the winter being -20C I was running my Diesel Rabbit on 30% gasoline 70% Diesel just so I can start the engine in the morning. It is safe to use up to 30% gasoline.

[macspud28]

@VeggiePower303 Yes there are a lot of blenders (as they call themselves out there) the only problem with the added RUG (regular unleaded gasoline) is when it's heated it can cause vapour lock. I've been thinking and looking into adding a browns gas generator and using the HHO in the air intake to help the combustion process so there will be no problems with gummed up rings. I've not seen it used with Veg oil but people get good results using stanard diesel so it can only help with cleaner burn.

[VeggiePower303]

I don't know what vapor lock you are talking about.

Don't believe everything you hear.

Think! How can a vapor lock up anything?

I have experimented with HHO before I got into veggie.

i have not been able to show any mileage increase.

I use Lucas Pure Synthetic oil additive to make everything slippery inside the engine. That should prevent most of the carbon buildup.

Cheers!

[macspud28]

@VeggiePower303 I was meaning the Gasoline vaporising due to the temperature of the heatin elements causing problems with the IP same as air in the system. Just going by what I can sift from the VEG forums.

As for the HHO some seem to get mileage improvements but it was the clean burn I was more interested in. From what I've seen of engines using HHO that have been dismantled, they were very clean inside. I haven't found any reading material about using it with Veg but may help stop gumming?

[VeggiePower303]

@macspud28 I don't think the gas will avaporate.

First of all it is mixed with the veggie.

Second, it is under pressure.

At least 25-20 PSI.

Even if it evaporates when in immediate contact with the heating element, it will condense back to liquid as soon as it reaches the cooler regions of the loop.

By cooler I mean less than 100C.

[macspud28]

@VeggiePower303 I hadn't taken into account the pressure it will be under, shouldn't be any problems right enough.

[VeggiePower303]

@macspud28

Actually I am already running some mix of gasoline.

I have discovered that I can take 15 liters of white lard, barely flowing and ad 5 liters of gasoline to it. The whole thing becomes 95% good flowing fuel.

The gasoline is a very powerful solvent.

Similar to methanol.

But the advantage is that you don't have to through away 20% glycerin, as with making bio diesel.

[macspud28]

@VeggiePower303 Yes as you say it is a good solvent and no problems with fuel duty here in the UK. I suppose as long as it's in not too high a persentage or timing becomes a problem with it being so much slower burning and also the problems with it burning hotter. As you say OK up 30% in very cold weather for short term use.

I decided the same myself about the pros & cons of biodiesel.

[VeggiePower303]

@macspud28

I am not a big fan of HHO.

I could never reproduce the exuberant claims that some people talk about.

And I have never seen anybody reproduce it either.

I have even bought some peoples kits.

No results what so ever.

After moths of testing and trying everything I could, I have sent all of the back and got my money back. I will never touch that stuff again. Wasted $2000 building my own version and about 8 months of my life with it.

My version was more advanced than the stuff you buy.

[macspud28]

@VeggiePower303 That seems to shoot down my plan & theory about using HHO with a WVO system. Did you make any videos of your trials & tribulations with HHO, if so I would be interested to see them.

I was thinking of using electrically heated tape wound round the injector pipes. How much did it cost doing it the way you have?

Cheers.

[VeggiePower303]

I don't mean to shoot down your plans.

I am just telling you what happened to me.

You are welcome to try it.

Maybe I made some mistake that I am not aware of.

All these people out there can not be lying!? Can day???

[VeggiePower303]

I had a coolant heat exchanger in it.

It was preventing overheating as well as helping it warm up quickly.

I was generating over one liter of HHO per minute with about 15-20 Amps.

It never gave me any mileage improvements.

Sometimes it made my mileage worse.

The more amps I was using the worse my mileage was getting.

If I was using 10-15 Amps than my mileage was the same.

HHO needs too much maintenance.

You have to put water in it every other day and you have to clean the can every other week.

[macspud28]

@VeggiePower303 Was that on a diesel engine? Did you ever test the exhaust gasses?

Have you look into GEET?

[VeggiePower303]

No that was on a gas engine.

You-tube correspondence is a little cumbersome.

If you want to write to me longer letters, here is my e-mail

z.man303@gmail.com

[macspud28]

Respond to this video...

I think it would be cheaper in the long run to use the coolant to heat the oil in the tank (depends how cold the winter is). I've seen good ones that have the heat exchanger round the fuel pick up in the tank so it doesn't need to heat too much oil. I liked that idea just to keep the oil flowing.

Keep up the good work. Regards.

[VeggiePower303]

In England it hardly ever snows.

I will see how cold it gets here, but I heard that -5C is very rare.

So I am not going to do all that work if I can get by adding 10% gasoline.

Once in a while. Just need to watch the weather report.

Cheers!

[macspud28]

@VeggiePower303 Yes I know, I'm in Scotland myself. It was a vey cold winter last year, wonder if it'll be back to the usual wet & windy this year. You're right it is a lot easier to just mix in some petrol. Will you be adding a copper coil (coolant HE) around the filter when you've beefed that up for filter longevity and to help heat the oil?

What are you filtering the oil down to? I see lots of scare stories with the common rail injection.

Cheers.

[VeggiePower303]

I am filtering the oil down to 100 micron, than let it settle for a week or so before I use it. I found this to be the cheapest way to filter.

Seams to work well.

I will not be adding copper coil.

I might put some insulation over the filter though in the winter.

My heat-exchangers are only one foot away from the filter.

They keep it nice and hot.

[VeggiePower303]

No I don't have any problem using copper. After the first few days copper forms a protective green oxide layer on the surface. This layer protects the copper from further erosion. There is a lot of miss information floating out there. I don't believe everything people tell me. I test it out and see.

Yes I have already put insulation on the fuel lines it helps to keep the heat in the lines and makes the starting process quicker. I will make another video to show the finished system.

[macspud28]

@VeggiePower303 From what I've read some people swear by adding a very small amould of acetone as well when blending.

[VeggiePower303]

What does the acetone do in that small amount???

[macspud28]

@VeggiePower303 I'll have to look it up again, One of the reasons was braking down the animal fats, might have been something to do with boosting the cetane rating as well, Some people found it helped the fuel mileage. as I say I'll look it up again and put a link up.

[macspud28]

@VeggiePower303 Acitone stops fats droping out. If there is animal fats in the oil, in the cold weather when petrol/gasoline is added the soildified fat drops out (in tank), if you add 0.15% Acitone to the mix it will break down the solids and they pass through filter and burn in cylinder. I think there are other reasons too.

Cheers.

[macspud28]

@VeggiePower303 I know what you mean about mis-information and opposing information, I've spent ages trawling the forums and it can get pretty confusing.

I was just mentioning a few of my thoughts, wondering if you had thought on those lines and if so your conclusions. I see a lot about water injection to stop carbon build up and thought it would be easier to use HHO. Hopefully what you're doing will work and so no need. out of interest how many miles did you run the suburban on veg. Cheers ;-)

[VeggiePower303]

I put about 15000 miles on the Suburban and about 10000 on the Bus.

I am pushing 6000 on the Van now.

I am planing to go traveling in Scotland and Ireland soon.

I just need to take a +E driving test, so I can pull my caravan.

Maybe I can drop by on the way.

What are you running on veggie now?

Do you have your sources lined up or you buy it on e-bay like me?

[macspud28]

@VeggiePower303 I didn't realise these now a seperate test for pulling a caravan. I'm sure most of the people who come up here with them don't have one judging by the general lack of manuvering ability with one. I have on occasion when stuck on a single track road in the tourist season ended up getting out and manuvering their carivans into passing places for them. I shouldn't get on to that as a lot of people when they get out of the town seem to forget how to drive. do people not reverse?

[macspud28]

@VeggiePower303 At the moment I'm not on the road, been looking into what's best for running on Veggy and am looking out for next vehicle (just been doing my homework). What do you do about dewatering?

[VeggiePower303]

@macspud28

I don't do anything about de-watering.

Never have.

That is another misinformation.

Any significant amount of water will settle to the bottom of the can.

Don't use it.

Any miniscual amount of water suspended in the veggie will not do any harm.

It is like sensationalism in the media.

People like to over exaggerate the destructive effects of anything.

Mostly armchair philosophers who have never actually tried out anything in real life.

[VeggiePower303]

If you are looking for your next vehicle, just make sure it has at least a 19.5 to 1 compression ration, or close to it. the higher the better. That will burn veggie very clean and won't gum up your rings. It will also start very easy in the cold.

Both my suburban and my Bus was very high compression engines. I see the difference now because my Iveco is not very high. It is around 18.5 but what a difference. I can just tell from the smell of it that it is not that clean burning.