A vote for Dr. Paul is a vote for yourself. He wants to limit gov intrusiveness in our lives & allow US to make our own choices. Stop politicians and the elites from thinking that they are so smart that they know how to run our lives better than we do. He is one of the few politicians that will make difficult decisions, he will balance the budget by his 2nd year, while other politicians plan to balance the budget after their term
This is probably one of the most biased news reporters I've ever seen. Perhaps channel four would like to raise the other points that Mr Hannan pointed out in his speech rather than focus on trying to twist his words and scorn a remark that was the truth. How about his point on Gordon Brown spending all our money? What about the point of every British child being born owing around £20,000? Oh no, instead they interview someone from a socialist group to call Mr Hannan "Anti Everything" what crap.
@StanleyDonwood Yes, he is opposed to what the socialists want to do so he is "anti-everything." These idiots in the Fabian Society have seen their central plans fail over and over again. Never do they question their ideas and starting premises.
Can you see that fat fucking thick rimmed 40+ tosser, twat cunt, who cant shut his fucking mouth when someone else is speaking, and when he does its only to accuse his opponent of having a good education (Hannan never went to Eton).
Labour is out now of course and thank fuck for it, I can't wait to see the predictions of an EU breakup come to fruition.
Kind of hard to go to Eton when you're spending all of your time moving back and forth between your parents estates in Bolivia and Peru and I very much doubt he attended any form of state schooling in those places before being accepted into Oxford.
Hannan isn't stupid to him it's all about the money, he's essentially branding himself and people will pay a lot of money to have a Brit push a pro American corporatism agenda and by supporting him you're allowing yourself to be a fool.
How was Daniel Hannan factually wrong? The UK has the second highest debt in the world (next to the US) and has a debt to GDP ratio of over 400% and rising. I mean, what does the UK even make for the world anymore? BP? They're going bankrupt. Aston Martin? GKN? ARM? Uhm....
The brits need to seriously start listening to people like Daniel Hannan now because their socialist society is collapsing.
"It's fascinating to me how many of the people commenting on this video are right-wing, when most of them are probably ordinary, mid-level income workers who would benefit enormously from left-wing economic policies. " That's funny, I thought the left wing was all about the poor!
@zezeoli Its because even us mid level income workers can see when we are getting a poor deal.
Current left wing policies involve taking most of the money people earn, sharing it with their mates then giving whats left of it back to us in the form of crazy schemes, as if they are some kind of charity.
As opposed to those crazy right wing schemes where they take even more money people earn and tell you it's for your own good while they try to sell off everything public owned to those same friends leaving the public paying higher taxes to maintain infrastructure which we no longer own and pay even more to make use of.
Actually I'm not, you're just assuming "Labour = Left wing" when if you look at most of what they actually did you'll find they're of a right wing persuasion. National ID cards? Deregulation of the financial sector? Making the Bank of England independent? Getting involved with not one but two wars? Those aren't leftist policies.
The only truly "left" wing government we've had in this country was between 1945 and 1951.
It's fascinating to me how many of the people commenting on this video are right-wing, when most of them are probably ordinary, mid-level income workers who would benefit enormously from left-wing economic policies. There must be some interesting psychological double-bind at work here that induces them to identify with the right. Probably resentment toward 'liberal elites', or basic fear of right-wing employers who they know have complete control over their futures.
"is it evidence of a new political reality free of spin doctors?" the answer from the rest of the report is obviously no. What's Draper's response to his argument "Oh yeah? well you sound posh!"
@Cook119He's lost you because he's talking illogical bollocks! Nintendomanwill for Christ sake spout this pretentious ignorant crap to some people stupid enough to be taken in by your misuse of Economic jargon and selective knowledge of economic history. I for one don't intend to listen to another second of it.
@Nintendomanwill I have nothing else to say to someone who knows nothing about this subject other than superficial interpretations of economic history! You are pathetically ignorant and your arguments ineffably absurd and baseless,
Yeah, that's the thing, I made an argument, you told me I'm wrong, I've jeered at you a bit, but in all your ranting you haven't disproven my 'argument' (you can't since you don't understand it, you can't handle the truth if it doesn't support your statolatrist religion) and more importantly you haven't come up with a coherent argument yourself so you're just a fool! 'Maintaining demand' by force, by tariff and subsidy means FUCK THE CONSUMER and btw employment doesn't require higher consumption
Subsequent to 1974 we've had at least 12 global recessions!!!!!!!! Your economics don't work and there is ample evidence! And they are from a era of flawed economic analysis.
Your problem is that you admire the train wreck of economic science from the twentieth century. Your total ignorance of real economics is like your religion that shapes your highly contrived take on these issues. You think you can display this wilful ignorance without counterattack. You're wrong. Why don't we just tax all competitive imports to increase demand for domestic industry? Your pre-Say's Law economics is in fact nothing but mercantilist ignorance from the era of proto-economic thought.
And I can't leave this with that absolutely ridiculous argument about the Thatcher Reagan epoch! They implanted nineteenth century Economics on the twentieth century! Your very selective economic history means that you are ignorant of the so called golden economic era 1950-1974. That only ended due to mismanagement and a failure to adhere strictly to Keynesianism! And the pull of the insidious Reagan economics that has a veneer of being more democratic and free!
@Nintendomanwill You are pitifully out of touch with modern economics! I suggest you stop getting your ridiculous economics from the nineteenth century! Your ideas are wholly discredited and risible now! You reek of pretentiousness!
"government spending on a large enough scale can make an economy relatively recession proof. "
Your theory of the business cycle is interesting. It's nothing to do with the counterfeit effect of expanding credit fuelling gluts which leads to mounting debt and underproduction, no, it's all about the lack of force in our industry. If only we forced people to pay for government industry then we could maintain jobs! Government is Deus Ex Machina when actual PRODUCTIVITY is unimportant!
@Nintendomanwill I've quite seriously lost patience with your alevel knowledge and analysis! Your a woefully ignorant man that misuses commonplace and elementary jargon to make your arguments appear more plausable! An instance being you think Says Law is a facet of economic history, which it self evidently isn't. However, only the most discredited economist would say there is any basis in Says law!
So much ranting all diametrically opposed to the truth. It's you who irresponsibly promotes a flawed ideology, that of unabashed statolatry. Patriotism is not the last refuge of a scoundrel, denigration of profit and spontaneity in human action is that final straw before the social agitator descends into love of barbarism. So we all call the destructive public sector an altruistic sacrifice. The impossibility of monopoly is proven by the bankruptcy of this coerced industry. Let it fail and clear
Also if you call ending government spending a solution to a recession AND NOT CALL THAT A CUT! I suggest you are so deluded to not be worth even attempting to explain basic economics!
I do think that government should stop taxation as much as it possibly can during a recession. As I'm sure you will not deny, government spending is conspicuously wasteful because of the 'tragedy of the commons' that occurs with property that nobody is allowed to use for profit. And because govt does not need to impute productivity into the economy to gain their coerced income. And we call this destruction 'altruism!'
Okay, I'm obviously deluded. Explain 'basic economics' to me then.
It is government spending on a large enough scale that can make an economy relatively recession proof. However, as the last guy said I'm not going to tutor you in fundamental economics. Teach yourself some reality before you engage in propounding perniciously flawed ideas!
" Teach yourself some reality before you engage in propounding perniciously flawed ideas!"
I prefer to learn from others. There is a pretty low glass ceiling of diminishing returns on mulling things over without being well-read on a topic. Fortunately, for civilisation's sake, a lot of people are well-read so we can call out charlatans like you who seem hell bent on making people slaves to arbitrary tyranny made worse by the good conscience of those wrecking the economy with socialism
It was the pull of the Thatcher Reagan Economics which started this pathetically absurd cycle of boom and bust again! And to state implicitly government spending can stiffle a recovery shows a woeful lack of research and concrete evidence!
"It was the pull of the Thatcher Reagan Economics which started this pathetically absurd cycle of boom and bust again!"
So when exactly did business cycles end before Reagan and Thatcher began their tenures? OH YEAH, 1970-4, and there was no real recovery c. 74-83. That alone could be the funniest youtube rants I've seen. But it gets even better!
"to state implicitly government spending can stiffle (sic) a recovery shows a woeful lack of research and concrete evidence!"
@nintendomanwill your typical of the idiots who have been educated in or learnt from the systemically flawed American economics still propounded by Harvard and Yale! This pathetically selective and specious argument about the Free Market Economy ended long ago about the 1930s. And we began a whole new era of Keynesianism post 1950 which resulted in no global recessions between 1950 to 1970.
He is just pure bloody pretentiousness! I wish this ignorant fool would learn some basic economics! He is archetypal of the scum rising to the top that exemplifies British politics today!
You need to learn some basic economics you utter joke of a blowhard. You can't cut your way out of recession? No, you can't, you have to end all government spending if you want to hasten the return of productivity since any government spending is a withholding of resources from profitable, spontaneous and non-coerced use and therefore it divorces income from adjustability to other's wants which is the problem with insolvency by malinvestment without which clearing the bust period lengthens.
You have to be utterly stupid and ignorant of history and economics if you believe you can cut your way out of a reccession like he spouts. It shows he's not fit for any post of economic responsibility and exemplifies the utter stupidity of the Tory Party and their risible economic policies. It also demonstrates what an uppity, pretentious, ignorant and lime light seeking git Hannan is. And I'm no Labour supporter either if u think this is some party bias.
Apparently the left wing of Great Britain is under the same deranged illusion as statist elites here in the US. They all believe that the financial meltdown was caused by a lack of regulation. Basically, they believe the problem was TO MUCH FREEDOM. We, the uneducated and filthy masses, cannot be trusted with the money we work so hard to earn. We must trust the gov with it. In the US we've had NOTHING BUT regulations!
Daniel Hannan is great. Liberty loving people everywhere need more like him.
@mtaylorknowles Your an idiot it not the same a giving the people freedom its giving big business freedom, and they use that freedom to restrict normal people ultiamtely. If you were a CEO given freedom to make money how you wanted you would stop at nothing sub-prime morgages are jsut the tip of the iceburg. And it eventually imploded. If you can't accept that then you clearly are not interested in the truth merely your own idology. As I say- idiot.
He's not an idiot, you're just a blowhard who should learn to keep his mouth shut when our American friends are talking to actual sane British people-you scum can stay the fuck out of those conversations since you have nothing constructive to say since your concept of intellectual debate is the tyrannical consensus gestated among pathetic sophomore friends with more balls than brain. The banking system is not free. Money is fiat. And you are surprised at housing gluts? YOU are idiotic
Fuck you and your retarded friends with whom you no doubt fantasise about what is just, proper and fitting for society and what government should do to bring about your desired changes. FUCK YOU and everyone like you. Most especially, fuck the politicians people like you raise to power, the social engineers and the economic ignoramuses and the national socialist arseholes. You think UKIP is bad? Now all parties will block immigration. Thanks to socialism and the welfare state. FUCK U
@Nintendomanwill LOLS Listen mate I profoundly disagree with you on may things but I assure you I'm not a new labour esspreso sipping head in the clouds idiot I hate them just as much as the next man and I recognise what they have done to this country.
GOOD. Then do not fuel their quasi-communism by linking subprime mortgages to 'too much freedom.' Subprime mortgages may seem like VERY good investments if housing is really booming. The point is that the yardstick of that boom needs to be sound. Are entrepreneurs and bankers getting real profit signals about the need to supply housing? NO, because inflation is driving the glut by causing an uneven rise in prices by fuelling production of goods with FRB loans so profligate due to low base rates.
@Nintendomanwill see youve lost me again to compare new labour to communist is as ridiculous as it gets the y are economically extremely right wing. Or they were
There is no economic right or left wing. There is only economic policy (laissez faire) or interventionist, statist policy (Mercantilism) and no politician in the UK except maybe Dan Hannan is anywhere near laissez faire. Support for central banking is support for the age-old system of fiat money, inflation, creation of gluts, underproduction, leveraging on the 'boom (the glut) and then insolvency when the glut clears. Support for fiscal policy is support for divorce of income from productivity.
@mtaylorknowles If we can allow Obama, who hasn't yet proved his eligibility to run for prsident, we can allow this guy to run for president. I welcome him.
@mtaylorknowles "They all believe that the financial meltdown was caused by a lack of regulation", actually this seems to be the Conservative line as well !!
"We, the uneducated and filthy masses, cannot be trusted with the money we work so hard to earn", indeed it us who are to blame because we'd borrowed too much, accoridng to the city. thus allowing the banks who gambled not to get any blame at all. Daniel hannan is aliar, who plagiarises other peoples thoughts. He hates Britain.
The bloke from the Fabian society is speaking nonsense: Dan H viewed Iceland's liberty as ideal yet their financial crash WASN'T CAUSED BY LIBERTY but by their central bank's very existence: I don't know if it held interest rates low but the mere existence of central banking and FRB and inducing riskiness by subsidising failure is enough to explain financial crises. That central banks induce entrepeneurial overspending through low interest rates is just the cherry on the top of the ponzi scheme.
@WiiandDSrule When did the FRB subsidise failure. Its that markets that have failed the state is the only thing that is keeping this country afloat. If you can't recognise the limitations of the market after what has happened over the past couple years you are living in a reality of your own distortions.
So you're an outspoken proponent of the currently fashionable Doublespeak, that banking crashes are not systematically enforced by central banking, inflation, low interest rates and expanding credit which creates gluts, builds them and ties banks assets into those gluts whose toxicity is only hidden by the inflation causing this uneven rise in prices and distortion in the capital structure, nor by moral hazards caused by Father Christmas bailout govt, no, it's ALL the ABSENT free market's fault!
@Nintendomanwill If you think it was central banking that caused this problem you are out of touch with reality greed caused it we had some of the most unregulated markets in the world and that is why we are struggling compared to the more balanced economies of the continent. If the government hadn't bailed out the banks it would have been worse than a disaster, your blinded by ideology,
Care to back that up with some facts? The UK has always had pretty sound regulation actually, not that regulation can really do anything when faced with a financial sector inflated into a huge housing glut wherein there were homes being built for literally no available residents. And while the BoE didn't keep rates so low from 00-06 as the Fed did, the fact that there is a 'lender of last resort' is a moral hazard maintained from Mercantilist days. 'Greed' my arse. It's debt and underproduction.
@Nintendomanwill Its well know that we along with the american's we had anglo-saxon style economies look that up for your self it is not my job to educate people who don't want to learn. Yes debt and underproduction is a result of lack of regulation and protectionism, Germany makes stuff they are okay France too Out bubble burst because ever since thatcher this country had been run by insane people.
Why the HELL would I want education from you? And who's the one who doesn't want to learn? Could it be me, who's posing argument I think is correct from common sense, Say's Law and recent economic history or could it be you who's repeating what he's read in the (crappy) newspaper polemicals? Christ, you can't even write semi-coherently and you don't bother to argue your points whereas I challenge anyone to read the comments which you find so ignorant and to tell me that they're wrong.
Wow, your wit is razor-sharp. How about you actually provide me some evidence for your argument, or how about you present the premise in a cogent and persuasive manner rather than expecting me to believe that the debt economy grew from nothing but greed?
After all, everyone knows that we didn't CHOOSE sub-prime mortgages from banks. Sarcasm?!
Maybe if you actually knew any economics (it's painfully obvious that you don't) then you'd know better than to talk flippantly about the 'status quo.'
@Nintendomanwill Yea people got greedy banks were convincing people that they could afford to take out loans they could not. Lack of regulation allowed for that. If you deregulate, the markets do what ever they can for money, anything no matter how amoral or reckless for the economy because the only thing the market recognises is capital, not even its own long term survival are factored in. So it is reckless to allow that situation to develop.
If the markets do what they can for money then they must produce what is marketable as you know. But hang on, what happens with unsound money that can be easily counterfeited? What happens if the banking sector is literally forced to be one huge inflationary printing press?
Then the supply of money increases, creates gluts by financing unproductivity where that fiat credit is channelled, which glut must eventually clear and the more inflation delays it, the more underproduction there is.
@Nintendomanwill Mate your just a fucking idiot you just talk this stuff instead of responding to my points, none of what you have said is true the backs increased the supply of credit voluntarily, who would force them to do anything there more powerful than most governments. Inflation is caused by population growth ultimately as you need more capital to pay more people.
Wow, if anybody should be getting hot under the collar it should be me since you and your type continue to fail at defending your ludicrous hatred of freedom, which I do not think is a stance you should adopt without having a rather GOOD defence
But since some of that comment isn't just verbal vomit, I'll respond
1 Everything I said is patent fact
2 Banks expand the money supply, yes, because THEY can (briefly) profit from the new media
3 Inflation is not caused by population growth you fool
@Nintendomanwill You use a strawman argument against me, whihc is yet more evidenc you are wrong, I don't hate freedom you just use inflamatory language to justify your opinion to yourself. I actually have no idea how inflation works your right, but to suggest that regulation was the cause of the financial crisis is insane. The most liberal economies US and Britain are in it deep while the more balanced economies e.g. France Germany are recovering faster- its not rocket science.
In a regulated market banks would not have been able to lend money to people who were so risky. You keep telling yourself its the goverments fault because that is what you want to believe and there is nothing I can do to change that. You seem to be suggesting that you want no laws at all, I mean market regulation is not fascistic only mental people who cling on to devalued belifes think that. or rather say it. Goodbye.
It IS possible to regulate against the problems created by government. But it is also possible to allow a free market. The banking system we have now could not survive in a free market. The law might allow people to use the currency they like and that might allow inflationary fiat currency. But people would *choose* sound depositories and it'd be gold or silver money going in them. Profit's yardstick is perverted only with inflation. And without bailouts those who finance gluts go down with them
It IS possible to regulate against problems caused by the government. It is ALSO possible to allow a free market. The banking system we have now could not survive in a free market. Without bailouts, those who finance gluts go down with them. Profit's yardstick can only be distorted to motivate gluts via inflation. Even if free banking, with no central bank or legal tender laws, ALLOWED FRB & inflationary fiat money, people would CHOOSE sound, valuable money like gold to go in STABLE depositories
@Nintendomanwill I understand everything you say that's how I know its wrong I've grown tired of debating with you I leave reality and time to vindicate what only people like you (i.e. idiots) still don't believe.
Time will not vindicate anybody if we are all wont to impose ridiculous and warped interpretations on our cognition of external reality. I hope I am not wont to do that. I know that you and people like you are very much so. Your religion of statolatry, that the State is like a deus ex machina, leads you to blame greed for EVERYTHING.
Yes, it's greed that caused the banking crash!
Well, excuse me, but you've ignored the enforced central banking paradigm that prevents non-fiat money.
I'm going to make this very simple for you. I don't expect you to understand everything I say but I clearly have overestimated your ability to comprehend these issues. It is nothing to do with what we think about government's role in the economy, nor is it to do with the ideal lack of intervention that economists might like. It is because we have a central banking system which is a creature of the state, whose raison d'etre is to sustain the unsustainable inflationary financial system
And actually when I've 'just talked this stuff' I've responded to your spurious point about the need to prevent people doing 'whatever they can for money' while explaining how the situation is different when fiduciary, inflationary media is the medium of indirect exchange and the situation that results from channeled expansion thereof (rather than just inflation dumped into people's wallets which would very quickly cause prices to rise of the currency to be dropped) which situation is a GLUT
C4 coming to the rescue of liebore again well well suprise suprise. Draper caught with his pants down- smearing is his stock in trade.Draper talks about "ridiculous analysis" HA HA pathetic sleazeball
He can kid himself all he wants that most people support his miserable party, but come election day I'll take great pleasure in watching this pompous self righteous prick thrown out on his arse like the rest of his comrades.
Sunder Katwala is a Fabian (read communist) stooge for the Labour party. Channel Four news tried to slip that one past the YouTube viewers but then they would, they think the sun shines out of the Labour Party's rear orifice.
Vince cable, supporter of the whole EU mess and traitor over the referendum. Interesting choices Channel Four.
Derek Draper. Another lefty with an axe to grind. A typical Marxist thug pretending to be civilised.
@josh91w I find it difficult to accept that Dan Hannan was presenting the views of his constituents. There's another Dan Hannan clip where his constiutuents visit him in the European Parliament and are then asked for their views on this forum. Putting it mildly. most of them are far from articulate people. Dan Hannan is saying what Dan Hannan'wants to say in his own inimicable style. In no way is he typical of his somewhat moribund constituents.
matchbox, your a idiot! crawl back under your rock and bury your head for another decade. hannon is pretty much disliked by all the party's includng most of the "tory boys"
the stupid coments made like yours just shows your ignorance.people wanna make out that "hey big up to the northern working class and how dare the upper class look down on us" and then a complete cock like matchbox, you makes a comment like that which proves were no better.
Danniel Hannon isnt always right, but he's just presenting what his constituents say. i wish all polotitions were as honest no matter what there class bacground
People always try and make healthcare a moral argument but it's not. There just is not enough money. Everyone is in debt. This is not helping, anyone with a brain should be able to see that, whether you agree with Hannan or not.
I can't believe Hannons comments. We have just spent 2 weeks in the Southern States of the U.S.A. There are young ( and old) people there who cannot afford any health care AT ALL! Some people we met ( a couple aged 67 & 62 )pay $1000 a MONTH!!!! for their medication and medical insurance!!!!! Who's payroll is Hannon on!!!!!!!!
He's a pinheaded rightwing non-entity! Out of a crisis, these maggots always get support as they latch on to people's inherent fear and greed...The BNP always get support in hard times as well, as it's far easier to blame others than take responsibility when things turn bad! It's kinda how the Nazi's gained support - Appear resolute and give people someone to blame...He should, and will, dissapear back to obscurity!
Labour/LibDem/Conservatives=BNP without the (intended) racism. The BBC, the NHS, the Bank of England, these institutions are of a Third Way or indeed, National Socialist ideology. You no doubt support tax and spend as a legitimate way of conducting man's division of labour. Well, that is just sick. The only way you can have non-profit provision of vital service is to use coercion because it could never voluntarily survive. Why? Because profit=direction and directive, not just motive.
I just had a years treatment on the NHS in Britain and it was excellent. I didnt have to worry about paying bills I couldnt afford because it was already paid for; paid for by my grandparents, my parents, my friends, brother and MYSELF because we all contribute affordable amounts to the NHS in the form of National insurance.
It is a point of ETHICS, that as a society we all take care of each other and strengthen our society . The thing that is missing from the Conservative groups at the start of the 21st century is an ethical outlook. The vast majority of writings and out-pourings by the arrogant and mostly uninformed right wing be it in the UK or in the USA are missing a conscience.
It seems all the Brits on YouTube are split one way or another on Daniel. I know what I think of him, And I know you think of him as a looney right-winger.
But what is it about him, or about his ideas that are bad?
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He is the champion of libertarian capitalism. After seeing the damage privatisation of public services has done in the UK and the wastefulness of the banking sector, this would be a nightmare. Oh, and he also despises the EU and is clearly working for its demise, another very bad idea.
Excellent speech by one of the brightest people in the Conservative Party (as it's still referred to in some quarters) !
He could have Brown AND Cameron for breakfast - and Obama for lunch.
The semi-literate comments by the Little Socialists - with all that predictably sentimental mush about the NHS (it's not 1947 any more, folks) - amply demonstrate that State Education (if you'll forgive the oxymoron) is as badly in need of reform as the State 'Health' System.
Health care and education should be nothing less than a human right, should never depend on your personal finances. Admitedly the NHS has it's faults but overall offers a great service to our society.
Hannan is a liar. He is a total nobody. Noone in the UK will listen to him. He's just taking advantage of the Americans' naivety to subject them to his rantings.
It's just an easy way to get popular over night. Use Rhetoric and attack what's currently un-popular. He isn't saying anything new or (as the report points out) even that accurate. It annoys me greatly, but it won't last.
Draper just about sums up the Labour party. Brown if you are reading this GET OUT. You're unelected! Hold an election so we don't have to look at your face or hear you again.
Ha! I think this Draper guy, Obama and the insane congressional leaders in the US, should get together and have lunch. Mr. Hannan, you're VERY popular in the US right now with the American people!
Draper is a mule-jack-donkey! Europe run by his like is degenerating before our eyes. Abject stupidity is seen as intelligence by leftist Europe.
Hannan and people like him are the only hope Europe has to get back on its feet. Dump the US of Europe idea, stop allowing fifth-columnists to immigrate to European nations and, please, start reproducing!
it is dissapointing to see that labour editor sit there. He just offered abuse and didn't want to listen. A party loyalist through and through. He should read Austrian economics.
They ferociously attacked Ron Paul in the US Media for his campaign in 2008. Now a Brit stands up and talks sense and he gets attacked in a similar way.
The Fabian Society is deeply tied to Marxist-Communist ideals and ideologies. They are intertwined with Darwinism, Eugenics and the idea of a fascist totalitarian World government.
What the fuck is Hannan trying to advocate? That the Government shouldn't have bailed out the banks? What would have happened then? Scores of repossessions, deposits vanishing into thin air. Fucking good job Brown was their to pluck the city out of the shitstorm it created for itself. Iceland a role model? Pull the other one mate.
Disastrous, incompetent reporting from Channel 4. I'm shocked, in a way.
mip0larity 5 days ago
did u notice how they made daniels face look stretched. tomake him look bad subliminally
mrchekky 2 weeks ago
VOTE RON PAUL 2012
A vote for Dr. Paul is a vote for yourself. He wants to limit gov intrusiveness in our lives & allow US to make our own choices. Stop politicians and the elites from thinking that they are so smart that they know how to run our lives better than we do. He is one of the few politicians that will make difficult decisions, he will balance the budget by his 2nd year, while other politicians plan to balance the budget after their term
LISTEN, UNDERSTAND, DECIDE. RON PAUL 2012
86austinc86 1 month ago
That loborlist guy must be on of the most economically illiterate fools I have ever seen. How much more brainwashed and ignorant can you get?
anryth 1 month ago
Google Derek Draper emails
DanielJ858 2 months ago
This is probably one of the most biased news reporters I've ever seen. Perhaps channel four would like to raise the other points that Mr Hannan pointed out in his speech rather than focus on trying to twist his words and scorn a remark that was the truth. How about his point on Gordon Brown spending all our money? What about the point of every British child being born owing around £20,000? Oh no, instead they interview someone from a socialist group to call Mr Hannan "Anti Everything" what crap.
Malusregnum 2 months ago
and up popped a fabian!
gug1970 6 months ago
Laborlist website-guy is a complete idiot. You gotta hate labor, they are so utterly worthless and completely irrational.
Visfen 9 months ago
We've never heard of him, so anything he says is stupid and wrong. That's the Fabian Society's views in a nutshell.
StanleyDonwood 9 months ago 2
@StanleyDonwood Yes, he is opposed to what the socialists want to do so he is "anti-everything." These idiots in the Fabian Society have seen their central plans fail over and over again. Never do they question their ideas and starting premises.
joepeeler34 7 months ago
Hahaha what shitty coverage.. but hey.. its something.. RON PAUL 2012..
pureaggression 10 months ago
Was John Snow implying that the European parliament, or politburo, is superior to the Commons, the mother of all parliaments!
nottinghamization 10 months ago
Why are you ripping Hannan? and who is this loser at 3:20? no really who re you? no body.
justgetsome 10 months ago
the sheer hypocrisy of the spokesman of the Fabian Society (hardly influential itelf nowadays) to say Hannan was a nobody!
mattvid00 11 months ago
Can you see that fat fucking thick rimmed 40+ tosser, twat cunt, who cant shut his fucking mouth when someone else is speaking, and when he does its only to accuse his opponent of having a good education (Hannan never went to Eton).
Labour is out now of course and thank fuck for it, I can't wait to see the predictions of an EU breakup come to fruition.
caturn88 11 months ago
@caturn88
Kind of hard to go to Eton when you're spending all of your time moving back and forth between your parents estates in Bolivia and Peru and I very much doubt he attended any form of state schooling in those places before being accepted into Oxford.
Hannan isn't stupid to him it's all about the money, he's essentially branding himself and people will pay a lot of money to have a Brit push a pro American corporatism agenda and by supporting him you're allowing yourself to be a fool.
MrWarrenLO 10 months ago
How was Daniel Hannan factually wrong? The UK has the second highest debt in the world (next to the US) and has a debt to GDP ratio of over 400% and rising. I mean, what does the UK even make for the world anymore? BP? They're going bankrupt. Aston Martin? GKN? ARM? Uhm....
The brits need to seriously start listening to people like Daniel Hannan now because their socialist society is collapsing.
Bristecom 1 year ago
Thank God someone still cares about their liberty...
zezeoli 1 year ago
"It's fascinating to me how many of the people commenting on this video are right-wing, when most of them are probably ordinary, mid-level income workers who would benefit enormously from left-wing economic policies. " That's funny, I thought the left wing was all about the poor!
zezeoli 1 year ago
@zezeoli Some of us are not willing to barter our liberty
DukeofWellington91 1 year ago
@zezeoli Its because even us mid level income workers can see when we are getting a poor deal.
Current left wing policies involve taking most of the money people earn, sharing it with their mates then giving whats left of it back to us in the form of crazy schemes, as if they are some kind of charity.
2camjohn 1 year ago
@2camjohn
As opposed to those crazy right wing schemes where they take even more money people earn and tell you it's for your own good while they try to sell off everything public owned to those same friends leaving the public paying higher taxes to maintain infrastructure which we no longer own and pay even more to make use of.
MrWarrenLO 10 months ago
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2camjohn 10 months ago
You are getting left wing and right wing mixed up.
2camjohn 10 months ago
@2camjohn
Actually I'm not, you're just assuming "Labour = Left wing" when if you look at most of what they actually did you'll find they're of a right wing persuasion. National ID cards? Deregulation of the financial sector? Making the Bank of England independent? Getting involved with not one but two wars? Those aren't leftist policies.
The only truly "left" wing government we've had in this country was between 1945 and 1951.
MrWarrenLO 10 months ago
@MrWarrenLO I didnt mention labour at all.
In fact Im inclined to agree with you that the main parties are too similar.
What Im referring to is your understanding of left and right wing. Its backwards.
Left wing policies would result in higher taxes. With more spending on public services.
Right wing policies would have worse public services, but those who dont benefit from them would not have to pay for them in taxes.
2camjohn 10 months ago
3:12 Oh, well if the *Fabian* Society doesn't like him... he can't be all bad!
4:12 Gordon cheers.
4:25 Ha, he looks like a poor man's Bono.
Aeschylus 1 year ago
It's fascinating to me how many of the people commenting on this video are right-wing, when most of them are probably ordinary, mid-level income workers who would benefit enormously from left-wing economic policies. There must be some interesting psychological double-bind at work here that induces them to identify with the right. Probably resentment toward 'liberal elites', or basic fear of right-wing employers who they know have complete control over their futures.
thisaccursedman 1 year ago
"is it evidence of a new political reality free of spin doctors?" the answer from the rest of the report is obviously no. What's Draper's response to his argument "Oh yeah? well you sound posh!"
jimberkt 1 year ago
"Fabian Society?" Sounds like an authority on conservative politics to me. :P
CountArtha 1 year ago
Can you believe that this report was supposed to be "news"?
SublimeStuff 1 year ago
Gosh they moan about the BBC being left leaning; Channel 4 is a Guardian VLOG.
TrollDEEP 1 year ago 2
Economy aside, I believe a firm point worth making would be the amount of social regulation that exists in the U.K
lozzyloveyou 1 year ago
good job hannan!!!
swu880 1 year ago 2
wow well we can see the danniel touched a nerve with the labourite, to turn to insults of intelligence rather than argue the point.
BiffaTW 1 year ago 7
This channel is pro-socialist
alonelychild 1 year ago 3
What a very bias news report... as usual from our stinking british meida.
shredderM2 1 year ago 8
@shredderM2 still better than yank media
harj2009 1 year ago
@Cook119He's lost you because he's talking illogical bollocks! Nintendomanwill for Christ sake spout this pretentious ignorant crap to some people stupid enough to be taken in by your misuse of Economic jargon and selective knowledge of economic history. I for one don't intend to listen to another second of it.
Tjcgwd 1 year ago
@Nintendomanwill I have nothing else to say to someone who knows nothing about this subject other than superficial interpretations of economic history! You are pathetically ignorant and your arguments ineffably absurd and baseless,
Tjcgwd 1 year ago
Yeah, that's the thing, I made an argument, you told me I'm wrong, I've jeered at you a bit, but in all your ranting you haven't disproven my 'argument' (you can't since you don't understand it, you can't handle the truth if it doesn't support your statolatrist religion) and more importantly you haven't come up with a coherent argument yourself so you're just a fool! 'Maintaining demand' by force, by tariff and subsidy means FUCK THE CONSUMER and btw employment doesn't require higher consumption
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
Subsequent to 1974 we've had at least 12 global recessions!!!!!!!! Your economics don't work and there is ample evidence! And they are from a era of flawed economic analysis.
Tjcgwd 1 year ago
Your problem is that you admire the train wreck of economic science from the twentieth century. Your total ignorance of real economics is like your religion that shapes your highly contrived take on these issues. You think you can display this wilful ignorance without counterattack. You're wrong. Why don't we just tax all competitive imports to increase demand for domestic industry? Your pre-Say's Law economics is in fact nothing but mercantilist ignorance from the era of proto-economic thought.
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
And I can't leave this with that absolutely ridiculous argument about the Thatcher Reagan epoch! They implanted nineteenth century Economics on the twentieth century! Your very selective economic history means that you are ignorant of the so called golden economic era 1950-1974. That only ended due to mismanagement and a failure to adhere strictly to Keynesianism! And the pull of the insidious Reagan economics that has a veneer of being more democratic and free!
Tjcgwd 1 year ago
@Nintendomanwill You are pitifully out of touch with modern economics! I suggest you stop getting your ridiculous economics from the nineteenth century! Your ideas are wholly discredited and risible now! You reek of pretentiousness!
Tjcgwd 1 year ago
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"government spending on a large enough scale can make an economy relatively recession proof. "
Your theory of the business cycle is interesting. It's nothing to do with the counterfeit effect of expanding credit fuelling gluts which leads to mounting debt and underproduction, no, it's all about the lack of force in our industry. If only we forced people to pay for government industry then we could maintain jobs! Government is Deus Ex Machina when actual PRODUCTIVITY is unimportant!
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@Nintendomanwill I've quite seriously lost patience with your alevel knowledge and analysis! Your a woefully ignorant man that misuses commonplace and elementary jargon to make your arguments appear more plausable! An instance being you think Says Law is a facet of economic history, which it self evidently isn't. However, only the most discredited economist would say there is any basis in Says law!
Tjcgwd 1 year ago
So much ranting all diametrically opposed to the truth. It's you who irresponsibly promotes a flawed ideology, that of unabashed statolatry. Patriotism is not the last refuge of a scoundrel, denigration of profit and spontaneity in human action is that final straw before the social agitator descends into love of barbarism. So we all call the destructive public sector an altruistic sacrifice. The impossibility of monopoly is proven by the bankruptcy of this coerced industry. Let it fail and clear
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
Also if you call ending government spending a solution to a recession AND NOT CALL THAT A CUT! I suggest you are so deluded to not be worth even attempting to explain basic economics!
Tjcgwd 1 year ago
@Tjcgwd
I do think that government should stop taxation as much as it possibly can during a recession. As I'm sure you will not deny, government spending is conspicuously wasteful because of the 'tragedy of the commons' that occurs with property that nobody is allowed to use for profit. And because govt does not need to impute productivity into the economy to gain their coerced income. And we call this destruction 'altruism!'
Okay, I'm obviously deluded. Explain 'basic economics' to me then.
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
It is government spending on a large enough scale that can make an economy relatively recession proof. However, as the last guy said I'm not going to tutor you in fundamental economics. Teach yourself some reality before you engage in propounding perniciously flawed ideas!
Tjcgwd 1 year ago
@Tjcgwd
" Teach yourself some reality before you engage in propounding perniciously flawed ideas!"
I prefer to learn from others. There is a pretty low glass ceiling of diminishing returns on mulling things over without being well-read on a topic. Fortunately, for civilisation's sake, a lot of people are well-read so we can call out charlatans like you who seem hell bent on making people slaves to arbitrary tyranny made worse by the good conscience of those wrecking the economy with socialism
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
It was the pull of the Thatcher Reagan Economics which started this pathetically absurd cycle of boom and bust again! And to state implicitly government spending can stiffle a recovery shows a woeful lack of research and concrete evidence!
Tjcgwd 1 year ago
@Tjcgwd
"It was the pull of the Thatcher Reagan Economics which started this pathetically absurd cycle of boom and bust again!"
So when exactly did business cycles end before Reagan and Thatcher began their tenures? OH YEAH, 1970-4, and there was no real recovery c. 74-83
This alone could be one of the funniest comments I've read in a while. But it gets even better!
"And to state implicitly government spending can stiffle a recovery shows a woeful lack of research and concrete evidence! "
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
"It was the pull of the Thatcher Reagan Economics which started this pathetically absurd cycle of boom and bust again!"
So when exactly did business cycles end before Reagan and Thatcher began their tenures? OH YEAH, 1970-4, and there was no real recovery c. 74-83. That alone could be the funniest youtube rants I've seen. But it gets even better!
"to state implicitly government spending can stiffle (sic) a recovery shows a woeful lack of research and concrete evidence!"
GO STATE CAPITALISM!
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@nintendomanwill your typical of the idiots who have been educated in or learnt from the systemically flawed American economics still propounded by Harvard and Yale! This pathetically selective and specious argument about the Free Market Economy ended long ago about the 1930s. And we began a whole new era of Keynesianism post 1950 which resulted in no global recessions between 1950 to 1970.
Tjcgwd 1 year ago
He is just pure bloody pretentiousness! I wish this ignorant fool would learn some basic economics! He is archetypal of the scum rising to the top that exemplifies British politics today!
Tjcgwd 1 year ago
You need to learn some basic economics you utter joke of a blowhard. You can't cut your way out of recession? No, you can't, you have to end all government spending if you want to hasten the return of productivity since any government spending is a withholding of resources from profitable, spontaneous and non-coerced use and therefore it divorces income from adjustability to other's wants which is the problem with insolvency by malinvestment without which clearing the bust period lengthens.
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
You have to be utterly stupid and ignorant of history and economics if you believe you can cut your way out of a reccession like he spouts. It shows he's not fit for any post of economic responsibility and exemplifies the utter stupidity of the Tory Party and their risible economic policies. It also demonstrates what an uppity, pretentious, ignorant and lime light seeking git Hannan is. And I'm no Labour supporter either if u think this is some party bias.
Tjcgwd 1 year ago
Live free or die!
MarcusNobelus 1 year ago
a typical labour wanker
duxberry1958 1 year ago 2
Apparently the left wing of Great Britain is under the same deranged illusion as statist elites here in the US. They all believe that the financial meltdown was caused by a lack of regulation. Basically, they believe the problem was TO MUCH FREEDOM. We, the uneducated and filthy masses, cannot be trusted with the money we work so hard to earn. We must trust the gov with it. In the US we've had NOTHING BUT regulations!
Daniel Hannan is great. Liberty loving people everywhere need more like him.
mtaylorknowles 1 year ago 29
@mtaylorknowles Your an idiot it not the same a giving the people freedom its giving big business freedom, and they use that freedom to restrict normal people ultiamtely. If you were a CEO given freedom to make money how you wanted you would stop at nothing sub-prime morgages are jsut the tip of the iceburg. And it eventually imploded. If you can't accept that then you clearly are not interested in the truth merely your own idology. As I say- idiot.
cook119 1 year ago
@cook119
He's not an idiot, you're just a blowhard who should learn to keep his mouth shut when our American friends are talking to actual sane British people-you scum can stay the fuck out of those conversations since you have nothing constructive to say since your concept of intellectual debate is the tyrannical consensus gestated among pathetic sophomore friends with more balls than brain. The banking system is not free. Money is fiat. And you are surprised at housing gluts? YOU are idiotic
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@Nintendomanwill Fuck off
cook119 1 year ago
@cook119
Fuck you and your retarded friends with whom you no doubt fantasise about what is just, proper and fitting for society and what government should do to bring about your desired changes. FUCK YOU and everyone like you. Most especially, fuck the politicians people like you raise to power, the social engineers and the economic ignoramuses and the national socialist arseholes. You think UKIP is bad? Now all parties will block immigration. Thanks to socialism and the welfare state. FUCK U
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@Nintendomanwill LOLS Listen mate I profoundly disagree with you on may things but I assure you I'm not a new labour esspreso sipping head in the clouds idiot I hate them just as much as the next man and I recognise what they have done to this country.
cook119 1 year ago
GOOD. Then do not fuel their quasi-communism by linking subprime mortgages to 'too much freedom.' Subprime mortgages may seem like VERY good investments if housing is really booming. The point is that the yardstick of that boom needs to be sound. Are entrepreneurs and bankers getting real profit signals about the need to supply housing? NO, because inflation is driving the glut by causing an uneven rise in prices by fuelling production of goods with FRB loans so profligate due to low base rates.
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@Nintendomanwill see youve lost me again to compare new labour to communist is as ridiculous as it gets the y are economically extremely right wing. Or they were
cook119 1 year ago
There is no economic right or left wing. There is only economic policy (laissez faire) or interventionist, statist policy (Mercantilism) and no politician in the UK except maybe Dan Hannan is anywhere near laissez faire. Support for central banking is support for the age-old system of fiat money, inflation, creation of gluts, underproduction, leveraging on the 'boom (the glut) and then insolvency when the glut clears. Support for fiscal policy is support for divorce of income from productivity.
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@mtaylorknowles no they dont, they say the Bankers cannot be trusted with money with out Regulation u stupid shit
harj2009 1 year ago
@mtaylorknowles If we can allow Obama, who hasn't yet proved his eligibility to run for prsident, we can allow this guy to run for president. I welcome him.
soco13466 1 year ago
@mtaylorknowles "They all believe that the financial meltdown was caused by a lack of regulation", actually this seems to be the Conservative line as well !!
"We, the uneducated and filthy masses, cannot be trusted with the money we work so hard to earn", indeed it us who are to blame because we'd borrowed too much, accoridng to the city. thus allowing the banks who gambled not to get any blame at all. Daniel hannan is aliar, who plagiarises other peoples thoughts. He hates Britain.
bakersteven3 6 months ago
@mtaylorknowles Its a narrow line between giving liberties ,an taking liberties.
jrobertsoneff 6 months ago
The bloke from the Fabian society is speaking nonsense: Dan H viewed Iceland's liberty as ideal yet their financial crash WASN'T CAUSED BY LIBERTY but by their central bank's very existence: I don't know if it held interest rates low but the mere existence of central banking and FRB and inducing riskiness by subsidising failure is enough to explain financial crises. That central banks induce entrepeneurial overspending through low interest rates is just the cherry on the top of the ponzi scheme.
WiiandDSrule 2 years ago 3
@WiiandDSrule When did the FRB subsidise failure. Its that markets that have failed the state is the only thing that is keeping this country afloat. If you can't recognise the limitations of the market after what has happened over the past couple years you are living in a reality of your own distortions.
cook119 1 year ago
So you're an outspoken proponent of the currently fashionable Doublespeak, that banking crashes are not systematically enforced by central banking, inflation, low interest rates and expanding credit which creates gluts, builds them and ties banks assets into those gluts whose toxicity is only hidden by the inflation causing this uneven rise in prices and distortion in the capital structure, nor by moral hazards caused by Father Christmas bailout govt, no, it's ALL the ABSENT free market's fault!
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@Nintendomanwill If you think it was central banking that caused this problem you are out of touch with reality greed caused it we had some of the most unregulated markets in the world and that is why we are struggling compared to the more balanced economies of the continent. If the government hadn't bailed out the banks it would have been worse than a disaster, your blinded by ideology,
cook119 1 year ago
Care to back that up with some facts? The UK has always had pretty sound regulation actually, not that regulation can really do anything when faced with a financial sector inflated into a huge housing glut wherein there were homes being built for literally no available residents. And while the BoE didn't keep rates so low from 00-06 as the Fed did, the fact that there is a 'lender of last resort' is a moral hazard maintained from Mercantilist days. 'Greed' my arse. It's debt and underproduction.
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@Nintendomanwill Its well know that we along with the american's we had anglo-saxon style economies look that up for your self it is not my job to educate people who don't want to learn. Yes debt and underproduction is a result of lack of regulation and protectionism, Germany makes stuff they are okay France too Out bubble burst because ever since thatcher this country had been run by insane people.
cook119 1 year ago
@cook119
Why the HELL would I want education from you? And who's the one who doesn't want to learn? Could it be me, who's posing argument I think is correct from common sense, Say's Law and recent economic history or could it be you who's repeating what he's read in the (crappy) newspaper polemicals? Christ, you can't even write semi-coherently and you don't bother to argue your points whereas I challenge anyone to read the comments which you find so ignorant and to tell me that they're wrong.
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@Nintendomanwill Well you asked for evidence of a well know economic status quo so you do need and asked for an education.
cook119 1 year ago
Wow, your wit is razor-sharp. How about you actually provide me some evidence for your argument, or how about you present the premise in a cogent and persuasive manner rather than expecting me to believe that the debt economy grew from nothing but greed?
After all, everyone knows that we didn't CHOOSE sub-prime mortgages from banks. Sarcasm?!
Maybe if you actually knew any economics (it's painfully obvious that you don't) then you'd know better than to talk flippantly about the 'status quo.'
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@Nintendomanwill Yea people got greedy banks were convincing people that they could afford to take out loans they could not. Lack of regulation allowed for that. If you deregulate, the markets do what ever they can for money, anything no matter how amoral or reckless for the economy because the only thing the market recognises is capital, not even its own long term survival are factored in. So it is reckless to allow that situation to develop.
cook119 1 year ago
@cook
If the markets do what they can for money then they must produce what is marketable as you know. But hang on, what happens with unsound money that can be easily counterfeited? What happens if the banking sector is literally forced to be one huge inflationary printing press?
Then the supply of money increases, creates gluts by financing unproductivity where that fiat credit is channelled, which glut must eventually clear and the more inflation delays it, the more underproduction there is.
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@Nintendomanwill Mate your just a fucking idiot you just talk this stuff instead of responding to my points, none of what you have said is true the backs increased the supply of credit voluntarily, who would force them to do anything there more powerful than most governments. Inflation is caused by population growth ultimately as you need more capital to pay more people.
cook119 1 year ago
Wow, if anybody should be getting hot under the collar it should be me since you and your type continue to fail at defending your ludicrous hatred of freedom, which I do not think is a stance you should adopt without having a rather GOOD defence
But since some of that comment isn't just verbal vomit, I'll respond
1 Everything I said is patent fact
2 Banks expand the money supply, yes, because THEY can (briefly) profit from the new media
3 Inflation is not caused by population growth you fool
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@Nintendomanwill You use a strawman argument against me, whihc is yet more evidenc you are wrong, I don't hate freedom you just use inflamatory language to justify your opinion to yourself. I actually have no idea how inflation works your right, but to suggest that regulation was the cause of the financial crisis is insane. The most liberal economies US and Britain are in it deep while the more balanced economies e.g. France Germany are recovering faster- its not rocket science.
cook119 1 year ago
In a regulated market banks would not have been able to lend money to people who were so risky. You keep telling yourself its the goverments fault because that is what you want to believe and there is nothing I can do to change that. You seem to be suggesting that you want no laws at all, I mean market regulation is not fascistic only mental people who cling on to devalued belifes think that. or rather say it. Goodbye.
cook119 1 year ago
It IS possible to regulate against the problems created by government. But it is also possible to allow a free market. The banking system we have now could not survive in a free market. The law might allow people to use the currency they like and that might allow inflationary fiat currency. But people would *choose* sound depositories and it'd be gold or silver money going in them. Profit's yardstick is perverted only with inflation. And without bailouts those who finance gluts go down with them
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
It IS possible to regulate against problems caused by the government. It is ALSO possible to allow a free market. The banking system we have now could not survive in a free market. Without bailouts, those who finance gluts go down with them. Profit's yardstick can only be distorted to motivate gluts via inflation. Even if free banking, with no central bank or legal tender laws, ALLOWED FRB & inflationary fiat money, people would CHOOSE sound, valuable money like gold to go in STABLE depositories
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@Nintendomanwill I understand everything you say that's how I know its wrong I've grown tired of debating with you I leave reality and time to vindicate what only people like you (i.e. idiots) still don't believe.
cook119 1 year ago
@cook119
Time will not vindicate anybody if we are all wont to impose ridiculous and warped interpretations on our cognition of external reality. I hope I am not wont to do that. I know that you and people like you are very much so. Your religion of statolatry, that the State is like a deus ex machina, leads you to blame greed for EVERYTHING.
Yes, it's greed that caused the banking crash!
Well, excuse me, but you've ignored the enforced central banking paradigm that prevents non-fiat money.
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@cook119
I'm going to make this very simple for you. I don't expect you to understand everything I say but I clearly have overestimated your ability to comprehend these issues. It is nothing to do with what we think about government's role in the economy, nor is it to do with the ideal lack of intervention that economists might like. It is because we have a central banking system which is a creature of the state, whose raison d'etre is to sustain the unsustainable inflationary financial system
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
And actually when I've 'just talked this stuff' I've responded to your spurious point about the need to prevent people doing 'whatever they can for money' while explaining how the situation is different when fiduciary, inflationary media is the medium of indirect exchange and the situation that results from channeled expansion thereof (rather than just inflation dumped into people's wallets which would very quickly cause prices to rise of the currency to be dropped) which situation is a GLUT
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
Is this the twittering twat from twitter?
Be afraid be very afraid.
intheblood1 2 years ago
Mr cable nobody is listening in the Houses of Commons because 75 per cent of our laws are made in Brussells.
Which ALL our main parties support - so it is no use complaining now - you gave the power away and without our CONSENT!!
As Mr Cable says and our parliament is an ECHO CHAMBER that does not matter much anymore!!
TooDarnSoulful 2 years ago 2
"A demented speech from a demented party"! What kind of rational argumentation is that???
zezeoli 2 years ago 34
@zezeoli It's no argument, it is the last gasp of a loser who can't debate rationally at all.
SpeedingStudent 2 years ago 4
@zezeoli what does that say about you then
philmaplesden 1 year ago
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@zezeoli The bias is worse than fox news commentary or just as bad
pureaggression 10 months ago
C4 coming to the rescue of liebore again well well suprise suprise. Draper caught with his pants down- smearing is his stock in trade.Draper talks about "ridiculous analysis" HA HA pathetic sleazeball
wasabimanic 2 years ago 2
Draper is full of shit.
Who the fuck is he anyway?
He can kid himself all he wants that most people support his miserable party, but come election day I'll take great pleasure in watching this pompous self righteous prick thrown out on his arse like the rest of his comrades.
staponsa1 2 years ago 2
channel 4 is ridiculous
dedrumbum 2 years ago
I'm surprised that channel 4 has the time to show massive bias against Hannan while they are wanking over pictures of Stalin and Mao.
soyinka101 2 years ago 2
Sunder Katwala is a Fabian (read communist) stooge for the Labour party. Channel Four news tried to slip that one past the YouTube viewers but then they would, they think the sun shines out of the Labour Party's rear orifice.
Vince cable, supporter of the whole EU mess and traitor over the referendum. Interesting choices Channel Four.
Derek Draper. Another lefty with an axe to grind. A typical Marxist thug pretending to be civilised.
Then of course...there is Jon Snow.....
DumblyBrilliant 2 years ago 4
I see there is evidence of EU vote fraud coming to light in Ireland.
DumblyBrilliant 2 years ago
Note the utter disrespectful tripe uttered by the socialist, probably atheist labour MP at the end. Typical of such people.
GodalonethroughQuran 2 years ago
What's wrong with atheism?
josh91w 2 years ago
@josh91w I find it difficult to accept that Dan Hannan was presenting the views of his constituents. There's another Dan Hannan clip where his constiutuents visit him in the European Parliament and are then asked for their views on this forum. Putting it mildly. most of them are far from articulate people. Dan Hannan is saying what Dan Hannan'wants to say in his own inimicable style. In no way is he typical of his somewhat moribund constituents.
Though I do not like DH, he has a quick mind.
1957Rotu 2 years ago
'on car subsidies' - Hannan was right C4 wrong.
GodalonethroughQuran 2 years ago
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it was a bullshit tory boy speech
fuck daniel hannan
matchbox555 2 years ago
matchbox, your a idiot! crawl back under your rock and bury your head for another decade. hannon is pretty much disliked by all the party's includng most of the "tory boys"
loadsofx19s 2 years ago 2
the stupid coments made like yours just shows your ignorance.people wanna make out that "hey big up to the northern working class and how dare the upper class look down on us" and then a complete cock like matchbox, you makes a comment like that which proves were no better.
Danniel Hannon isnt always right, but he's just presenting what his constituents say. i wish all polotitions were as honest no matter what there class bacground
loadsofx19s 2 years ago 4
This guy is the Boss
Chelseaplay 2 years ago
Daniel Hannan for PM.
sidensvans67 2 years ago 4
I hate derek draper
ncurran1987 2 years ago 4
People always try and make healthcare a moral argument but it's not. There just is not enough money. Everyone is in debt. This is not helping, anyone with a brain should be able to see that, whether you agree with Hannan or not.
TtL2424 2 years ago
I can't believe Hannons comments. We have just spent 2 weeks in the Southern States of the U.S.A. There are young ( and old) people there who cannot afford any health care AT ALL! Some people we met ( a couple aged 67 & 62 )pay $1000 a MONTH!!!! for their medication and medical insurance!!!!! Who's payroll is Hannon on!!!!!!!!
rockcrazyken 2 years ago
He's a pinheaded rightwing non-entity! Out of a crisis, these maggots always get support as they latch on to people's inherent fear and greed...The BNP always get support in hard times as well, as it's far easier to blame others than take responsibility when things turn bad! It's kinda how the Nazi's gained support - Appear resolute and give people someone to blame...He should, and will, dissapear back to obscurity!
rogan71 2 years ago
Your obviously the pin head. Let me guess you will be blaming the "right wingers" when they lefties send us bankrupt.
NJRocks281 1 year ago
@rogan71
Labour/LibDem/Conservatives=BNP without the (intended) racism. The BBC, the NHS, the Bank of England, these institutions are of a Third Way or indeed, National Socialist ideology. You no doubt support tax and spend as a legitimate way of conducting man's division of labour. Well, that is just sick. The only way you can have non-profit provision of vital service is to use coercion because it could never voluntarily survive. Why? Because profit=direction and directive, not just motive.
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
I just had a years treatment on the NHS in Britain and it was excellent. I didnt have to worry about paying bills I couldnt afford because it was already paid for; paid for by my grandparents, my parents, my friends, brother and MYSELF because we all contribute affordable amounts to the NHS in the form of National insurance.
RobGordon35 2 years ago 3
It is a point of ETHICS, that as a society we all take care of each other and strengthen our society . The thing that is missing from the Conservative groups at the start of the 21st century is an ethical outlook. The vast majority of writings and out-pourings by the arrogant and mostly uninformed right wing be it in the UK or in the USA are missing a conscience.
RobGordon35 2 years ago
shut it you communist fool.
cnutofcnuts 2 years ago 2
Lets make one thing clear.
Only very wealthy people talk about dismantling socialised healthcare. Full-stop.
RobGordon35 2 years ago
Viscious, nasty dangerous. If you like the US 'elite's' right-wing ideaology go and live there you acidic right-wing moron.
RobGordon35 2 years ago
It seems all the Brits on YouTube are split one way or another on Daniel. I know what I think of him, And I know you think of him as a looney right-winger.
But what is it about him, or about his ideas that are bad?
FlyByHarmony 2 years ago
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He is the champion of libertarian capitalism. After seeing the damage privatisation of public services has done in the UK and the wastefulness of the banking sector, this would be a nightmare. Oh, and he also despises the EU and is clearly working for its demise, another very bad idea.
ferihegy 2 years ago
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All of the little pussy ass english liberals don't want to be removed from the gov't teet...
Roll over for your Muslim masters...
thomasward00 2 years ago
Excellent speech by one of the brightest people in the Conservative Party (as it's still referred to in some quarters) !
He could have Brown AND Cameron for breakfast - and Obama for lunch.
The semi-literate comments by the Little Socialists - with all that predictably sentimental mush about the NHS (it's not 1947 any more, folks) - amply demonstrate that State Education (if you'll forgive the oxymoron) is as badly in need of reform as the State 'Health' System.
Keep talking, Dan !
marvinc999 2 years ago 2
Cunt defending a bigger cunt.
Literate enough for you , you cunt ?
cumbriancool 2 years ago
And for pudding he would have a couple of rent boys no doubt,
Just another complete cunt , trying to defend another complete and utter cunt.
cumbriancool 2 years ago
you are a traitor and unpatriotic scum bag to Great Britain...Keep your hands off our NHS!!1
davidpower1 2 years ago
What a complete douchebag.
Andy5309 2 years ago
Both FOX News and Daniel Hannan are among the most sinister, malicious and vindinctive entities in the world.
That's all I have to say.
PlanetShhhh 2 years ago
I'd like to re-embelish that fact.
He is a cunty cunt of the highest order of cunts.
Luckily no one in the UK is thick enough to hoover up his whoreish sentiments.
mspumperer 2 years ago 3
hannon is a nasty little fucking prick. Fuck off and go live in america you horrible little cunt.
He's the human equivalent of a loud, wet, rasping fart which makes you feel uncomfortable and itchy like you need to wipe your arse.
No-one likes you.
You cunt.
wangpangu 2 years ago
Doesnt this guy look and sound like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.
17july2009 2 years ago
What a heartless tit.
Gerishnakov 2 years ago
Mr. Hannan is a piece of A... then, und now (NHS interview on Fox-TV)
lublondon 2 years ago
This cunt is a complete cunt.
cumbriancool 2 years ago 3
I totally agree
Sixu83 2 years ago
I agree with you that you agree with me that we both kind of think that this cunt is a complete cunt.
I know that word is very harsh , but this stupid cunt requires it.
He will be a Fox cundit before the year out .
pipmcworkmansby 2 years ago
Dan Hannan should be ashamed of himself.
Health care and education should be nothing less than a human right, should never depend on your personal finances. Admitedly the NHS has it's faults but overall offers a great service to our society.
andreagraves12 2 years ago
Dan Hannan should be very proud of himself. He told Gordon Brown exactly what the vast majority of people of the UK think of him
grayabc1234 2 years ago 7
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Scumbag, slaphead, toryboy.
bairdian 2 years ago
excellent argument, well done
grayabc1234 2 years ago
Who the fuck is this tit Derek Draper that doesn't understand economics
Visfen 2 years ago
who the hell is this gob shite?
he plays up this maverick bullshit attitude insulting Gordon Brown. I don't like Gordon Brown but bloody hell.
electircheater 2 years ago
Hannan is a liar. He is a total nobody. Noone in the UK will listen to him. He's just taking advantage of the Americans' naivety to subject them to his rantings.
Hannan is an utter waste of space.
mpainter22 2 years ago
Hannan....has Cameron got you on a leash yet?
Nice job slagging off the NHS on FOX News, by the way, from someone who has good reason to be VERY grateful for it.
Your words would seem to have caught up with you.
newellfisher 2 years ago
It's just an easy way to get popular over night. Use Rhetoric and attack what's currently un-popular. He isn't saying anything new or (as the report points out) even that accurate. It annoys me greatly, but it won't last.
LaLaLaflobble 2 years ago
Reply to me please, what is inaccurate?
Why doesn't your dear Labour Leader call for elections?
Rob from America
simplysaid11 2 years ago
He doesn't call an election because he is not required to do so.
Additionally, you vote for the party, not the leader in the UK - which is different to how I think most Americans vote.
ian9outof10 2 years ago
Draper just about sums up the Labour party. Brown if you are reading this GET OUT. You're unelected! Hold an election so we don't have to look at your face or hear you again.
jobsagoodn 2 years ago 4
Daniel Hannan was simply stating the obvious. If it takes 'divine inspiration' to do that, I wish more politicians were thus inspired.
courtesyZone 2 years ago 2
Ha! I think this Draper guy, Obama and the insane congressional leaders in the US, should get together and have lunch. Mr. Hannan, you're VERY popular in the US right now with the American people!
idahogrl823 2 years ago
Daniel Hannan is my hero and I live in the UK.
ringer1ca 2 years ago 3
Draper is a mule-jack-donkey! Europe run by his like is degenerating before our eyes. Abject stupidity is seen as intelligence by leftist Europe.
Hannan and people like him are the only hope Europe has to get back on its feet. Dump the US of Europe idea, stop allowing fifth-columnists to immigrate to European nations and, please, start reproducing!
faelismaegnus 2 years ago
There's a special place in hell for this bastard.
reetbasterd 2 years ago
Draper - twat
boss666 2 years ago
Draper gets pwned by his own idiocy lol.
DONMCLMCL7 2 years ago
Evil Evil Evil Evil Evil man.
krazykeys88 2 years ago
it is dissapointing to see that labour editor sit there. He just offered abuse and didn't want to listen. A party loyalist through and through. He should read Austrian economics.
They ferociously attacked Ron Paul in the US Media for his campaign in 2008. Now a Brit stands up and talks sense and he gets attacked in a similar way.
People must use their OWN MINDS!
destinyson23 2 years ago
what the hell is the fabian society?
shall we all get naked and run around
Galacticmaster 2 years ago
The Fabian Society is deeply tied to Marxist-Communist ideals and ideologies. They are intertwined with Darwinism, Eugenics and the idea of a fascist totalitarian World government.
DTCNT 2 years ago 3
basically i bunch of looney tunes then
Galacticmaster 2 years ago
What the fuck is Hannan trying to advocate? That the Government shouldn't have bailed out the banks? What would have happened then? Scores of repossessions, deposits vanishing into thin air. Fucking good job Brown was their to pluck the city out of the shitstorm it created for itself. Iceland a role model? Pull the other one mate.
PunkRox1977 2 years ago
Drapper is below low.
Utter utter cunt.
OneBigRetard 2 years ago
Sunder Katwala, Fabian society says it all. Your not even english!!
thinkglobally123 2 years ago 3