Say what you want about the music, but Mike was ALL about individuality on a personal level every bit as much as what was universally applicable on a scientific level; if this music fires up the video's creator to hit it hard & heavy and leave no rep undone (or attempted), I suspect Mike would approve.
He followed his dream. Did whatever it took and his life was cut short because of it! I'm not hating on Mike.....One of the best bodybuilders whoever lived! RIP!
@KindOfLikeDying I totally agree with you, but with that title I tought its was some kind of diatribe against Mezner and his legacy to the body building. salute!
BEST BODY BUILDER EVER! HOWEVER, HEAVY DUTY WORKS ONLY WITH A DECENT AMOUNT OF CHEMICAL ASSISTANCE PLUS AMPHETAMINES ( AS IN MIKE´S CASE). ALSO, THE DAMAGING EFFECTS OF H.D. ON THE SKELETAL STRUCTURE IS NOT TO BE OVERLOOKED. OTHER THAN THAT, GREAT VIDEO WITH REALLY SHITTY MUSIC.
for online consultations or one on one training sessions please email me at doughty88@hotmail.co.uk. i have 2 years experience with High Intensity Training and 4 years experience as a trainer.....this way of training is so underused and under appreciated, but results do speak for themselves and myself and previous clients have all experienced the never ending list of benefits from training this way...training is brief, intense, and life changing!
His philosophies are so close to the truth than most people think. So sad that he has so many haters, the same people probably couldnt apply his principles correctly to their training routine
@kamagong78 yes i used to train and compete until 1990, i was mr portugal 3 times and won various titles in my country,i still train but not for competition,but i´m more into cycling now.
@shubop9 and your point? da.....whats a straight Bro...like you watchin the MuscleMen Honey.....Girrrrrrrl Please.........go back in your Homophobic closet and stop watchings the bare chested hunks....XXX don't be hatin now.......XXX
Horrible remix of the original song lol.This is what happens when dumbass afroamericans decide to fuck up an european classic in the dance music.Anyways he is very amazing bodybuilder R.i.P But srsly music is awfull.
@7bikerboy7 I mean, it's easy to say "I would" because nobody know what would happen if you do something that you haven't done. It means that everybody can say "I would be even bigger" but the fact is, that they aren't. So everyone who says something like that, in my eyes those people won't reach even a half of what reached the legends. Anyway, as I said, it's easy to say "I would" if you aren't.
Great pics of the great Mike Mentzer...but the music is an insult to the legacy of the man. It does not befit the heavy duty nature of his High Intensity Training.
@WilhelmPolzl oh shut the fuck up faggot! im sick of all you fuckin losers commenting, DECA! WINSTROL, M1T! JUST STFU AND ADMIRE A DAMN LEGEND, i'd like to see you achieve a physique like this using winstrol, when you can, let me know, fuckin bitch!
@WilhelmPolzl Ah I see, my bad for the name calling too, My message sounded mad ignorant, was just so fuckin sick of seeing comments like that and thought you were one of them, lol. It's cool your open about that, do you see any side effects like Acne and Ball shrinkage lol? ive never used gear, don't think I ever will because you ruin your credibility and are looked down on in todays society. Keep training hard bro, peace.
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Mike "Heavy Duty" Mentzer was one of the Best! I really miss that whole era of Body-Building; guys like Casey Viator, Boyer Coe, Tom Platz, etc.... When I think back to my early lifting days, these guys were all very inspiring. That era and Mike Mentzer will always be missed! God Bless.
su obcesion por querer vencer a arnold lo llevo a la muerte.....que estupido fue mike ,,,vencer a arnold,,,ni en esta vida ni en la proxima..........................
1980: Mike M. "So ludicrous was the decision that, really; all I could do was laugh. I will tell you, somebody out there really wanted me crushed out completely". "Is there no justice" Boyer demanded to know as he sent chairs flying into walls. Frank Zane accepted his trophy with a calmer demeanor, yet later shattered his trophy into hundreds of pieces by hurling it to the asphalt of the opera house parking lot. Dickerson accepted second place with a sharp "Oh no", and vanished into the night.
@MegasDionysos I don't know why Zane and especially Dickerson would complain. Those guys did not deserve to be in top 3. Mentzer won the 80 O hands down, then Coe in 2nd place, Arnold 3rd, the rest in any order.
@MegasDionysos Mike was a living nightmare to the Weider bodybuiding establisment, a handful of workouts a month, no need for vast amounts of supplements, in fact no need for 90% of the stuff in his mags!! They could not let him win.
@thatwilldonicely And he didn't took any steroids like the others... (sarcasm)
Come on, he got addicted to amphetamines. If his training philosophy was so hazardous to "Weider bodybuilding establishment", how Dorian Yates got six Mr Olympia titles? There's no conspiracy. By the way, I think Mike is great and I really like the HIT method.
@balazini i know Dorian yates had a few workouts with Mentzer but depending on what you read on the net etc he did not fully 'enrol' to Mentzer HD, in fact some stuff i have read looks like Yates was doing was appeared to be straightforward pyramid style? Intensity though being the key word. re Weider etc thats just my view, I personally lost a lot of interest after the infamous 1981 Olympia.
@thatwilldonicely One thing I must clarify is that I think there's no right or wrong method of training. I think everybody should experiment and see what works best for them. Dorian took some of Mike Heavy Duty and applied to his training the way it best performed to his body. He trained his own way using the HIT philosophy. That should serve as example for you not to loose interest in this sport, after all, it's main philosophy is to achieve the greatest body you can, to beyond always, right?
@MegasDionysos Boyer Coe could never win as he had defects. Abs/biceps. Zane was ill during competition and Dickerson had no size. Every person whom I have ever read about 1980 Mr O give it to Arnold and normally they include comments like surprised. These are people privy to contest photos or who took photos themselves. Most are surprised in the fact that Arnold was clearly the winner.
@planesx12 The worst comment against Arnold is that one of these old timers stated that Arnold should have been deducted a point for posing a bicep instead of a tricep pose and that may have cost him the title.
@planesx12 Where did you get this idea? I have never read any articles or commentary that agrees with Arnold's placing. Look at the photos, Arnold has no legs, no triceps and is weighing around 220lb at 6'1.5", down from his best of 245lb in '74. Mentzer was harder than Arnold and at 5'8" weighed over 200lb.
Paul Graham was the promoter in 1980 and was very good friends with Arnold, in fact Arnold was best man at his wedding. It was a BS result.
@xanthromera Ironage forum. They have a lot of former pro bodybuilders who chime in frequently. These are guys that new Arnold and or Mike. I've seen the 1980 O DVD and the so called lost footage. I've watched it three times now and the last time was last night. No doubt Arnold's legs were not as good as most everyone else-except in calves where he was on par with even Mike. With that said Arnolds legs were not as bad people suggest. But his side leg view was not that impressive.
@xanthromera Arnold still had deep cuts in the quads and they definitely stood out. Even the Speaker during the contest said and his legs are pretty good to. The reason Arnold won was because he won chest arms and shoulders. Mike may have had best triceps and Dickerson back and legs neither of them had three winners like Arnold. And everyone had weaknesses. Mike/ small chest and Arms to big for frame and bad posing. Dickerson NO CHEST OR BICEPS. Zane too small. Coe bad abs weird arms.
@planesx12 I'll add one more thing. I have heard some people say the crowd was all for Mike and booed Arnold. I heard quite the contrary when they were naming the contestants. Mike had a barely audible applaud as did everyone else until Arnold's name was called. The whole arena erupted in applause and shouts when his name was called which noticeably affected the other contestants. Mike appeared diminutive next to Arnold especially in certain poses where Mike couldn't hold the pose.
@planesx12 Mentzer's posing on a bad day was still better than Arnold's '70's style robot posing. Arnold had some great body parts but overall was still too light to win. Forget Dickerson I agree he was the worst Mr O of all time. Coe looked fantastic except for his abs, even so was still way ahead of Arnold. Mentzer was the most massive man on stage, he lost because he had a public feud with Arnold who was worshipped by the hierarchy. Arnold won because he was charismatic and very popular.
@xanthromera Watch the video. Arnold won because he had the best chest arms and shoulders. There was no conspiracy. The other competitors canceled each other out. Dickerson had the best back and legs. Mentzer had the best triceps, forearms second/back.. Best abs went to either Zane or Dickerson with Mentzer close behind.. Boyer won nothing but was in fantastic shape. Mentzer admitted to being sickly the day before. Zane was sick. DIckerson blew out his pecs. Who had the most points?
@planesx12 I've watched the video a hundred times, stills too. Arnold had great biceps not arms, chest was great but a competition shouldn't be won on 2 body parts. Let's not mention the blatant cavorting on stage with Franco directing from beneath. If Arnold had been a nobody that walked into this comp he would never have placed higher than 5th. I said before that Mentzer was over 200lb, according to a couple of websites he was in fact 225lb. Approximately the same as Arnold but 6" shorter.
@xanthromera Mike is not really in the conversation for winning. He placed fifth. DIckerson was clearly second best. His conditioning and musculature was superb. He would have won if he had biceps and better pecs. A 100 times? really? that's 300 hours of video viewing. If you watched the video, what was interesting about DIckerson's back when he posed rear double biceps. Who was to Arnolds left and right in the pose down. What song played during Coe's routine.
@planesx12 The history of this competition is peppered with corruption and politics. Consider that Schwarzenegger turned up in a private plane with an entourage and a documentary film crew having just finished a movie. He probably could have turned up in worse condition and still won. Consensus is that Mentzer was somewhat punished for having a public feud with Schwarzenegger on training methods, HIT v's volume. The promoter for the comp, Paul Graham, was one of Schwarzenegger's best friends.
@xanthromera Your are speaking from a point of circumstance. Showing up in a private plane holds no credence to your points nor having an entourage. Mike had CBS following him as well. This is what happens when people take circumstance and try and make it fact. Was Mike being punished in 79 when he convincingly lost to Zane? No. He lost to a better prepared Zane. Mikes obsession with HIT was his demise because he refused to consider any other ideas which proved better in the long term.
@planesx12 Since the departure of Schwarzenegger from competition the sport lacked a charismatic king. There were those that thought his comeback was priceless PR. Mike lost to Zane in '79 by 1 point.. Very convincing. Just like Nasser lost to a retiring sub standard Yates by one point in '97. If you think politics don't exist in this sport you are naive. Also CBS was there to film the competition objectively, it wasn't Mentzers private film crew. They also were disgusted with the result.
@planesx12 Believe it or not I have always been a Schwarzenegger fan, I just don't think he was ever in the running here. Mentzer actually came equal fourth not fifth. Dickerson may have had great conditioning but he had 16" arms,(fully pumped), and absolutely no shoulder width. His win in '82 along with Franco's win in '81 were low points in the competition's history.
@xanthromera Actually, your comments suggest your a Mentzer fanboy. And your incorrect. The record shows him as fifth. Your lack of knowledge makes me wonder if your talking from little or no knowledge. If you have seen the footage, those three questions are very easy to answer. Instead of making an insulting remark, man up and answer the questions. I'll give you a hint to one of the answers. The music Coe played was from a famous movie of the time. If you can't answer then I'll assume
@planesx12 You moron, what has Coe music got to do with the subject at hand? You have made several historical blunders with regard to the competition and somehow this is now the topic. Why don't you tell me how high you can piss?
@xanthromera The point is that you are trying to come across as an expert on this subject and just blew your cover. You stated that you saw the video a 100 times. I called you on that. I knew no one would watch it 100 times but may have seen it a lot and 100 times is a way to say you had seen it a number of times. I understand that. The point I was trying to make was you have never seen the DVD's and simply mimic what other people say. As usual the uninformed resort to name calling.
@planesx12 Actually I never said I had seen the dvd, I said I had seen the video100 times over. I did mean relevant video footage on Youtube, not a VHS tape. Also I may not have seen it exactly 100 times, it may have only been 87 times, who cares? With the discussion at hand why did you decide that Coe's music was so pertinent? When you made this challenge I must admit I decided you were a childish half-wit.
Didn't you call me a Mentzer fanboy? This was obviously your attempt at an insult.
@xanthromera You have resorted to name calling twice. Calling someone a Mentzer fanboy is not an insult. Your reference to watching the video a hundred times was in response to me saying I have seen the DVD's. If you haven't seen the DVD's your not IMO getting the whole picture. The DVDs cover about 2 and a half hours of the Mr. O. There is a hell of a lot more in those DVD's than the pittance of coverage on Youtube. I was calling you out on the DVD. If you saw it you could answer easy
@planesx12 If you wanted to call me a Mentzer fan I would have thought nothing of it, but fanboy is an obvious insult, give me a break. That I have viewed hours of youtube footage and dozens and dozens of stills I think is adequate to assess that Schwarzenegger was so far off his best. Along with this, the knowledge that placings in this competition have historically favoured those competitors that were Weider friendly.
@xanthromera Sorry. Fanboy is not an insult. It' s a term used to denote obsessive allegiance towards something without regards to reality. When you rate Coe above Arnold, that is a comment not based in reality.
Your right the Arnold was off his best but he was better than everyone else. There are not hours of video on YouTube about Mr.O. Seeing excerpts is not a good basis. Seeing the whole thing gives a broader view and one can see the nuances better.
@planesx12 Your arrogance knows no bounds. Nice to know only you have a grasp on reality. There is consensus in the bodybuilding world that Schwarzenegger should not have placed higher than 5th. Boyer Coe has stated in interviews that there were 5 or 6 guys on stage that could have won the comp had the judging been fair, and actually singled Roger Walker. Bill Pearl made similar comments.
So you're ok with me saying you're a Schwarzenegger fanboy?
@xanthromera You name Boyer Coe as the expert you reference. ROGER WALKER???? Man you do like generalities don't you. Bill Pearl made similar comments. Man is that vague. How about what Basille said who had taken tons of photos and stated to his surprise when he concluded that Arnold won. Or what Nailon said about Arnold being the best of a weak crowd. Again, as you lose your argument you resort to name calling. I guess calling someone arrogant helps after knowing your wrong.
@planesx12 You made a specific statement about reality, inferring that I had no grasp of it but that you do. My response that you were arrogant was measured and appropriate.
So Coe's and Pearl's opinions don't count? Coe has no bitterness about 1980 so his perspective has value.
@xanthromera Your understanding of my comments "Mike's demise" is out of context. It's not coherent. The comment was based on his bodybuilding. Mike relied solely on HIT and refused to except other methods/ideas. Near total muscle fatigue plays an important role in BB which Mike refused to acknowledge. It's that breakdown which gives the muscles depth/deepness and the size required. Franco's win in 81 is not relevant to this discussion.
@planesx12 My question was coherent, you made a statement I wanted clarified. Mentzer was a volume trainer in the early '70's. After meeting Casey Viator he was then introduced to Arthur Jones who steered him towards HIT. Training this way gave him his best condition in '79 and '80. On retiring from competition he became a personal trainer of mostly "natural" trainees. It was in these later years he further reduced workout volumes. Volume training only works on juiced individuals.
@xanthromera Your question was not coherent. "Mikes obsession with HIT was his demise because he refused to consider any other ideas which proved better in the long term." How does that statement in anyway refer to his drug addiction or his death. What am I talking about here. I was obviously talking about his quitting bodybuilding. Your embarrassing yourself now. Copying and pasting, then you add a comment at the end to make it seem part of the quote?
@xanthromera Outside of you running to other baords or websites to back up your points which makes me wonder about your knowledge in this field, Your leaving stuff out. HIT works best with new bodybuilders because their muscles are "new" and need a lot more time in healing. This applies to the ligaments and tendons as well. As people advance two days on one off while splitting up body parts works very well. You have to understand though that there is a limit for non juicers.
@planesx12 Non juicers will never get 20 inch arms or even 17 or 18 inch arms in most cases. That's pure muscle low bodyfat. Not talking about big people but solid muscle arms.
@xanthromera Of course he was. Anyone that ever stood on the MR O stage was a juicer. Even Zane. Which was my point about his arms. Simply taking roids gives one 16 inch arms.
@planesx12 I typically don't reply to comments made on youtube but Zane (being both my friend and trainer) did absolutely NOT 'juice". I have no idea where you got that info from but like most gossip it's bullshit. Everyone knew at the gym that Frank was not geared up. I was there, were you?
@Godsraptor I think you need to go back and ask your "friend" again. He stated in, it may have been M&F or some other mag that he did indeed take steroids to get the initial size to compete. This was an article I read in around 81 or 82. He didn't like them but new he needed them to get the size to compete. Your not talking to some 18 or 19 year old here, smart ass.
@planesx12 I do correct myself. It may have been in the promo he was sending out which I requested from him as I was thinking about going to his training course. In one of those three things he admitted to his steroid usage. But even as I state this I am actually pretty sure it was M&F. If I remember there was a big interview with him and that was where he stated it.
@planesx12 Please post this article or at least quote the correct date please. I know Frank, have trained with him, hung out with him, was featured in his magazine as well as the gym I've owned and operated for the past 20 years where I've personnally conducted over 50,000 personal training sessions and who are you again...smart ass?
@Godsraptor Since your friends with him, call him up? Say some guy on Youtube says you admitted to steroid use back in your beginning days of bodybuilding. But, the problem is your not friends with Zane or were just acquaintances. And you probably asked him like the the dipshit that you are, hey Frank did you take steroids and he probably said what no get lost. Um yea let me go research that for ya. I'll call up Weider today and have his team go run that down for you. I get back to ya.
@planesx12 the sad thing about you is ummm everything. 47 years old never really did anything with your life, Name calling behind the safety of your little computer screen like some 12 year old keyboard commando Can't handle being called out even though presentable facts are available. Jealous, underdeveloped sense of selfworth, living in a state of arrested emotional development. Post endlessly to garner the attention you feel you deserve etc. Dipshit? Your maturity level is overwhelming
@Godsraptor What your little ploy to pretend to be someone of importance ie.. "I was friend s with Zane and he and I trained a lot of people together." didn't work out so well. At least xanthromera made a good fight, even though I didn't agree with him. You on the other hand are a nincompoop. You state something which every bodybuilder worth his salt knows is bullshit and which Zane admitted to doing. but we are supposed to believe you because you say so.
@planesx12 learn to read...never claimed "he and I trained a lot of people together" my post was that he trained me...your credibility falters with every misqoute you post. and as far as someone of importance my 4 hall of fame inductions speak for themselves. As far as the steroid comment I am only speaking from peronal experience that this is what Frank told me while at his home relaxing after a saturday morning leg workout. I have no reason to believe he lied. Grow up already, man. "wannabe"
@Godsraptor Arnold and I frequently share war stories over a couple of cigars in the governors mansion. He told me that in the beginning, Zane would ask Arnold to shoot him up with Steroids because Zane had a bad disposition to sticking himself with needles. After about a year of this and asking other BB'rs when Arnold wasn't around, Weider finally told Zane, maybe you should stop using steroids. Weider said, you've gained enough mass why don't become my first steroid free BB'r. True!!!
@Godsraptor Zane was not a natural trainer. The kind of size and conditioning he achieved on stage for an ectomorphic phenotype was way too good for a natural. In Zane's day steroids were still legal also.
Casey Viator is on record as denying steroid use also, but his training partners say otherwise.
@Godsraptor Dude you are pathetic. "Absolutely did not Juice" Ha Ha Like Rafael Palmerio. Zane took a lot of steroids back in the 70's . They all did !!!!!!!!!!
@planesx12 I have a good knowledge of exercise physiology and bb history without running to boards. I have also spoken at length with both Mentzer and Coe via email. I don't believe there is any evidence empiricle or anecdotal that would specifically lead one to believe HIT only works on beginners. Was Yates a beginner? Was Coe a beginner?
I myself volume trained until I was 30, on switching to HIT put on 11kg(24lb) in 2 years.
@xanthromera I thought you just said volume training only works on Juicers. So Yates didn't juice? He did it with HIT alone? WHo are you trying to kid? Yates did mostly volume workouts and juiced to high heaven. I personally like Coe as a person because he fought through some genetic issues and still got a great body. HIT IS NOT USED by any smart bodybuilder worth their salt as their main source for mass. That is current and most past BBrs of note.
@planesx12 Yates was a HIT advocate, read his own words. Was a friend and student of Mentzer's. Trained 3.5 hours per week when volume guys were doing 6 - 12. You get your own opinion but you don't get your own facts.
With the average pro now using 2000 - 3000 milligrams per week, not to mention growth and 'slin, recovery is less of an issue. But there are several pros using HIT, some under the tutelage of Yates.
Coe told me he reached his best condition following a Yates HIT workout.
@xanthromera Firstly, I think Mentzer fanboy is an accurate description after the the last few posts. Again, you are misstating the facts to suit your argument. Yates was not an HIT advocate. He used "SOME" of the principles of HIT in his "OWN" workout regiment. He has stated on several occasions that HIT was to extreme. Meaning the theories were to outside the norm for muscle growth. Look. If HIT were the end all to muscle growth, every bodybuilder would be doing. Don't be naive.
@planesx12 He has stated time and time again that he is a HIT advocate, it's all over Youtube. He has a flourishing personal training and seminar business, again clips are on Youtube. You can watch him state time and time again "one working set" . There are interviews where he is specifically asked the question about the best way to train and he states HIT. If you want I am happy to post the links to some of these clips.
Look up Mark Dougdale who went to England to be trained by Yates.
@xanthromera Believe me when I tell you, bodybuilders, especially of today don't give a shit about who made what theory or who is right or wrong. ALl they want to know is will I grow big and fast. IF the antiquated theories of HIT were doing what Mike said they would, EVERY SINGLE PRO BB'r would be doing it. The problem is that is not the case nor will it ever be. Did you ever stop and think that maybe Mike was money motivated? Do you think Coe gets a cut of book sales.
@planesx12 Buddy I doubt you know much about training. You seem to be another armchair critic, when was the last time you actually picked up a weight? There are alot of trainers professional and amateur who train HIT, how would you know otherwise? Why don't you run with your new HIT conspiracy theory where all these old boys like Coe are telling lies to sell books.
@xanthromera My point was that people have to make a living. Coe is not going to tell you anything but that HIT is the best. You are the one mentioning conspiracy. Most bodybuilders, at least on the pro level have incorporated the rest theories of HIT into their routines because it works. Your incredibly defensive which is a sign of someone not willing to view things beyond a fixed idea. Cutler has changed his routine many times to adapt. AS did Yates Who blew out his body twice from HIT.
@planesx12 Again you are softening your stance here. Yates has stated many times that the reason he injured himself was because he continued to train very heavy whilst dieting, which is pointless because no muscle can be gained when so depleted. These interviews are on Youtube.
@planesx12 I don't think Coe is trying to pump HIT or sell books about HIT. He made a living selling prestige car insurance. I have written to this man a few times to clarify statements made by Charles Poliquin on his website. Poliquin has made a career out of rubbishing HIT and Mentzer in favour of "German Volume Training". He stated on his website that Coe was never able to make gains using HIT and went back to volume training. Coe said this was untrue and that he still did HIT, just slower.
Say what you want about the music, but Mike was ALL about individuality on a personal level every bit as much as what was universally applicable on a scientific level; if this music fires up the video's creator to hit it hard & heavy and leave no rep undone (or attempted), I suspect Mike would approve.
PeterJRaia 1 month ago
God dammit! I'm tired of having to mute all these videos cause of the gay ass music
catspajamas01 1 month ago
@KingElsaviorRex Where did you get all of your "Rex" and SteroidR4 accounts? Why keep trolling Mentzer videos?
neilp77 2 months ago
the music doesn't make justice to Mike and Ray
DoomAndBass 3 months ago
He followed his dream. Did whatever it took and his life was cut short because of it! I'm not hating on Mike.....One of the best bodybuilders whoever lived! RIP!
mumbrew 3 months ago
okay if you want to make an old video at least put old school song my advise is remake it
ramborghini88 3 months ago
Mike ruled!
WhiteBreadRedNeck 4 months ago 4
Better than Arnie
ghylltarvoke 4 months ago
Why do people add this silly music to good videos???
reziztanze 5 months ago 2
fuckin gooood music
marcikadraga 5 months ago
thank goodness for the mute key
zzcoolfun 6 months ago 4
I want the name of the previous classic music, not this one, please
84Terminator 6 months ago
this is the kind of noise they pose to today, especially the black, gay contestents. or lavish broadway musical scores. yukk...
1skullduggery 6 months ago
@KindOfLikeDying I totally agree with you, but with that title I tought its was some kind of diatribe against Mezner and his legacy to the body building. salute!
Dragnesi 6 months ago
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the word is he was juicing like there is no tomorrow....
quadcatfly 7 months ago
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Do you even realize that "myth" means "lie" in latin? What's the lie with Mike Mentzer???
Dragnesi 7 months ago
Do you even realize that "myth" means "lie" in latin? What's the lie with Mike Mentzer???
Dragnesi 7 months ago
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steroidsR4losers 7 months ago
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BEST BODY BUILDER EVER! HOWEVER, HEAVY DUTY WORKS ONLY WITH A DECENT AMOUNT OF CHEMICAL ASSISTANCE PLUS AMPHETAMINES ( AS IN MIKE´S CASE). ALSO, THE DAMAGING EFFECTS OF H.D. ON THE SKELETAL STRUCTURE IS NOT TO BE OVERLOOKED. OTHER THAN THAT, GREAT VIDEO WITH REALLY SHITTY MUSIC.
cuchulainn1967 7 months ago
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for online consultations or one on one training sessions please email me at doughty88@hotmail.co.uk. i have 2 years experience with High Intensity Training and 4 years experience as a trainer.....this way of training is so underused and under appreciated, but results do speak for themselves and myself and previous clients have all experienced the never ending list of benefits from training this way...training is brief, intense, and life changing!
npdoughty88 7 months ago
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npdoughty88 7 months ago
Fair play Mike was a fucking unit!
3swaad4 8 months ago
His philosophies are so close to the truth than most people think. So sad that he has so many haters, the same people probably couldnt apply his principles correctly to their training routine
kriegpaolo 8 months ago
My favorite 70's bb
JDilla2812 8 months ago
What a tragedy to befall these two amazing bodybuilders
frumnyc 8 months ago
mike was a fantastic bodybuilder i used to train to his method and had very good results,i still have the heavy duty tank top.
talibe801 8 months ago
@talibe801 "used to train" You should make a comeback Mike and Ray would be proud.
kamagong78 7 months ago
@kamagong78 yes i used to train and compete until 1990, i was mr portugal 3 times and won various titles in my country,i still train but not for competition,but i´m more into cycling now.
talibe801 7 months ago
@talibe801 Wow I have never competed. I am just satisfied as being the most ripped man in our office. Take care and don't forget your helmet.
kamagong78 7 months ago
This music is fucking gay!
shubop9 9 months ago 38
@shubop9 and your point? da.....whats a straight Bro...like you watchin the MuscleMen Honey.....Girrrrrrrl Please.........go back in your Homophobic closet and stop watchings the bare chested hunks....XXX don't be hatin now.......XXX
lauderdale8747 4 months ago
@lauderdale8747 But the music is total shit, and doesn't go with the video....thats what shubop9 meant
MrJordybt 4 months ago
@lauderdale8747 But the music is total shit, and doesn't go with the video....thats what shubop9 meant
MrJordybt 4 months ago
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@lauderdale8747 But the music is total shit, and doesn't go with the video....thats what shubop9 meant
MrJordybt 4 months ago
whats really funny is mike mentzer would hate this fu**in music lol i promise you that.
99Sorc 9 months ago 45
@99Sorc that's not a music. Sound more like monkeys in zoo. Just noize.
m5p944 6 months ago
who were the 13 dick heads who dislike this losers ya haters give the man props cause ya know ya would never look like that in 1000 life times
crzyp852 9 months ago
Legend!
roger69er 9 months ago
But I'll give ya a capital E for effort
TRUTHS2YOUARELIES2ME 9 months ago
Honestly, this music dosen't go well with the pics.
TRUTHS2YOUARELIES2ME 9 months ago
@TRUTHS2YOUARELIES2ME technically speaking the slideshow is in tune with the beat.
x4nt 9 months ago
@x4nt Understood
TRUTHS2YOUARELIES2ME 9 months ago
@TRUTHS2YOUARELIES2ME *nods head*
x4nt 9 months ago
taking tecno/house music and making it into a bubble gum hip hop song=new low in hip hop music.
Gmoneymozart 9 months ago
Thanc's man you are the best!
catajustme 9 months ago
The song is:
Tydis - What's up
x4nt 9 months ago
Best Bodybuilding Ever
alexsexy 10 months ago
hii could you tell me the name of the song please
foreverworld 10 months ago
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x4nt 9 months ago
stie cineva cum se cheama melodia???
catajustme 10 months ago
U JELLY?
dylanfran2009 11 months ago
tellme the song name pls
catajustme 11 months ago
@catajustme I think it's "gay ass fag music" by Niggaz be Takin' Your Money You Dumb White Fuck.
azbacnikorange 11 months ago
@azbacnikorange U MAD BRO?!
dylanfran2009 11 months ago
@dylanfran2009 Nah I'm straight brah. Gay song is gay.
azbacnikorange 11 months ago
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HighIntensity100 11 months ago
Horrible remix of the original song lol.This is what happens when dumbass afroamericans decide to fuck up an european classic in the dance music.Anyways he is very amazing bodybuilder R.i.P But srsly music is awfull.
Mitkopwn2 11 months ago
needs more vacuum pose
RexConCueso 11 months ago
RIP Mike Menzer
JodaulCreese 11 months ago
Test
planesx12 11 months ago
gdd
planesx12 11 months ago
I would be a legend if i was supplied with roids too
7bikerboy7 1 year ago
@7bikerboy7 Nope, if you didn't traing, roids would be nothing but an excess of hormones building up to a very toxic level in your body.
shadowdeviant44 1 year ago
@7bikerboy7 You would, but you aren't. That's the fact and different between you and the real bodybuilders who ARE legends.
siemasterx 1 year ago
@siemasterx exactly
7bikerboy7 1 year ago
@7bikerboy7 I mean, it's easy to say "I would" because nobody know what would happen if you do something that you haven't done. It means that everybody can say "I would be even bigger" but the fact is, that they aren't. So everyone who says something like that, in my eyes those people won't reach even a half of what reached the legends. Anyway, as I said, it's easy to say "I would" if you aren't.
siemasterx 1 year ago
@siemasterx Take the roids away and they would be nobody.
7bikerboy7 1 year ago
@7bikerboy7 No, they'd be natural bodybuilders.
Bodybuildinq 11 months ago
mike mentzer was way ahead of his time
rgmcall 1 year ago
He's my all time favorite.
royorbitol 1 year ago 2
greets achilles!
tobbessen 1 year ago
All man can be reach his level with anabolyze..
pdilett 1 year ago
fuckin shit ass auto tune garbage wtf is this
RealspitHiphop604 1 year ago 2
I ordinarily don't subscribe to heroism, but if I ever had a hero, Mike Mentzer would be it. I fucking miss that guy.
KnqsX 1 year ago
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Mike is a true Legend! A Champion!
Hititnow1 1 year ago
Mike is a true Legion! A Champion!
Hititnow1 1 year ago
Mike is a true Legion!
Hititnow1 1 year ago
One of the best ever and also wasnt scared to challenge traditional routines and methods.
lickss 1 year ago
The music could not be any more inappropriate. How could you...
ardsam 1 year ago
this guy used to take speed to get through his high intensity workouts.
cristianlanda 1 year ago
Great pics of the great Mike Mentzer...but the music is an insult to the legacy of the man. It does not befit the heavy duty nature of his High Intensity Training.
chanyongyaw 1 year ago 4
I agree that mike is just...The BeSt.
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13andincrediblycut 1 year ago
Excelente video avec cette music sa motive énormément quand je la voie j'ai tt suite envie d'aller a la salle
pgmhecate2 1 year ago
Superbe video c'est une réel source de motivation j'adore
pgmhecate2 1 year ago
1. Mike wouldn't approve of this wack assed song. 2. He had a better mustache than anyone ever. 3. He can kick Chuck Norris' ass.
theecoteam 1 year ago 2
WHERE THE HELL IS THE OLD MUSIC ? THIS ONE SUCKS
84Terminator 1 year ago 2
hammer typ einfach schade das wir das nicht erleben durften wie er auf der Bühne steht
djgfield 1 year ago
What is up with the BULLSHIT music...
bknives 1 year ago
this song doesnt work with mike menzter at all
piratelord99 1 year ago
@piratelord99 true it should be Wagner or Bruckner
thatwilldonicely 1 year ago
TYDIS - WHAT'S UP
Bumfunk12 1 year ago
What the name of this song
charoonpm 1 year ago
he sure liked to show off his penis
dan2002 1 year ago
Nice music and image combo, though stuff like that calf pose were reused
tyciol 1 year ago
Where is the great previous music ? It was much better
84Terminator 1 year ago
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WilhelmPolzl 1 year ago
@oscarhollywood long days and hard nights.
donkman17 1 year ago
What i liked was the way his muscles always looked Hard
HELLO2YOU3 1 year ago
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WilhelmPolzl 1 year ago
@WilhelmPolzl oh shut the fuck up faggot! im sick of all you fuckin losers commenting, DECA! WINSTROL, M1T! JUST STFU AND ADMIRE A DAMN LEGEND, i'd like to see you achieve a physique like this using winstrol, when you can, let me know, fuckin bitch!
sellyintegra 1 year ago
@sellyintegra Dude, i use myself
WilhelmPolzl 1 year ago
@WilhelmPolzl Ah I see, my bad for the name calling too, My message sounded mad ignorant, was just so fuckin sick of seeing comments like that and thought you were one of them, lol. It's cool your open about that, do you see any side effects like Acne and Ball shrinkage lol? ive never used gear, don't think I ever will because you ruin your credibility and are looked down on in todays society. Keep training hard bro, peace.
sellyintegra 1 year ago
@sellyintegra
I always have some acne, with with or without using steroids, fuuu!
Testiculaire atrofie is not permanent and can be stopped with HCG (pregnyl).
I wouldn't worry to much about your credibility, even if you don't use steroids some people will think you do.
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MrDeca86 1 year ago
Mike "Heavy Duty" Mentzer was one of the Best! I really miss that whole era of Body-Building; guys like Casey Viator, Boyer Coe, Tom Platz, etc.... When I think back to my early lifting days, these guys were all very inspiring. That era and Mike Mentzer will always be missed! God Bless.
therobster17 1 year ago
su obcesion por querer vencer a arnold lo llevo a la muerte.....que estupido fue mike ,,,vencer a arnold,,,ni en esta vida ni en la proxima..........................
lionelvillahermosa 1 year ago
...mike and ray mentzer are on of the greatest bodybuilders how ever been on this earth!!!!
Bjorn379 1 year ago
mike is the greatest bodybuilder alive.....1980 sandow was mike's/////////
omkarthesubtle 1 year ago
1980: Mike M. "So ludicrous was the decision that, really; all I could do was laugh. I will tell you, somebody out there really wanted me crushed out completely". "Is there no justice" Boyer demanded to know as he sent chairs flying into walls. Frank Zane accepted his trophy with a calmer demeanor, yet later shattered his trophy into hundreds of pieces by hurling it to the asphalt of the opera house parking lot. Dickerson accepted second place with a sharp "Oh no", and vanished into the night.
MegasDionysos 1 year ago 13
@MegasDionysos I don't know why Zane and especially Dickerson would complain. Those guys did not deserve to be in top 3. Mentzer won the 80 O hands down, then Coe in 2nd place, Arnold 3rd, the rest in any order.
lakeerie90s 1 year ago
@MegasDionysos Is that a real quote? That is fascinating!
torque122 1 year ago
@MegasDionysos Very interesting. I never knew the real behind the scenes reactions of the top competitors following the controversial decision.
nenzi671 1 year ago
@MegasDionysos Mike was a living nightmare to the Weider bodybuiding establisment, a handful of workouts a month, no need for vast amounts of supplements, in fact no need for 90% of the stuff in his mags!! They could not let him win.
thatwilldonicely 1 year ago
@thatwilldonicely And he didn't took any steroids like the others... (sarcasm)
Come on, he got addicted to amphetamines. If his training philosophy was so hazardous to "Weider bodybuilding establishment", how Dorian Yates got six Mr Olympia titles? There's no conspiracy. By the way, I think Mike is great and I really like the HIT method.
balazini 1 year ago
@balazini i know Dorian yates had a few workouts with Mentzer but depending on what you read on the net etc he did not fully 'enrol' to Mentzer HD, in fact some stuff i have read looks like Yates was doing was appeared to be straightforward pyramid style? Intensity though being the key word. re Weider etc thats just my view, I personally lost a lot of interest after the infamous 1981 Olympia.
thatwilldonicely 1 year ago 2
@thatwilldonicely One thing I must clarify is that I think there's no right or wrong method of training. I think everybody should experiment and see what works best for them. Dorian took some of Mike Heavy Duty and applied to his training the way it best performed to his body. He trained his own way using the HIT philosophy. That should serve as example for you not to loose interest in this sport, after all, it's main philosophy is to achieve the greatest body you can, to beyond always, right?
balazini 1 year ago
@MegasDionysos Boyer Coe could never win as he had defects. Abs/biceps. Zane was ill during competition and Dickerson had no size. Every person whom I have ever read about 1980 Mr O give it to Arnold and normally they include comments like surprised. These are people privy to contest photos or who took photos themselves. Most are surprised in the fact that Arnold was clearly the winner.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 The worst comment against Arnold is that one of these old timers stated that Arnold should have been deducted a point for posing a bicep instead of a tricep pose and that may have cost him the title.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 Where did you get this idea? I have never read any articles or commentary that agrees with Arnold's placing. Look at the photos, Arnold has no legs, no triceps and is weighing around 220lb at 6'1.5", down from his best of 245lb in '74. Mentzer was harder than Arnold and at 5'8" weighed over 200lb.
Paul Graham was the promoter in 1980 and was very good friends with Arnold, in fact Arnold was best man at his wedding. It was a BS result.
xanthromera 11 months ago
@xanthromera Ironage forum. They have a lot of former pro bodybuilders who chime in frequently. These are guys that new Arnold and or Mike. I've seen the 1980 O DVD and the so called lost footage. I've watched it three times now and the last time was last night. No doubt Arnold's legs were not as good as most everyone else-except in calves where he was on par with even Mike. With that said Arnolds legs were not as bad people suggest. But his side leg view was not that impressive.
planesx12 11 months ago
@xanthromera Arnold still had deep cuts in the quads and they definitely stood out. Even the Speaker during the contest said and his legs are pretty good to. The reason Arnold won was because he won chest arms and shoulders. Mike may have had best triceps and Dickerson back and legs neither of them had three winners like Arnold. And everyone had weaknesses. Mike/ small chest and Arms to big for frame and bad posing. Dickerson NO CHEST OR BICEPS. Zane too small. Coe bad abs weird arms.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 I'll add one more thing. I have heard some people say the crowd was all for Mike and booed Arnold. I heard quite the contrary when they were naming the contestants. Mike had a barely audible applaud as did everyone else until Arnold's name was called. The whole arena erupted in applause and shouts when his name was called which noticeably affected the other contestants. Mike appeared diminutive next to Arnold especially in certain poses where Mike couldn't hold the pose.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 Mentzer's posing on a bad day was still better than Arnold's '70's style robot posing. Arnold had some great body parts but overall was still too light to win. Forget Dickerson I agree he was the worst Mr O of all time. Coe looked fantastic except for his abs, even so was still way ahead of Arnold. Mentzer was the most massive man on stage, he lost because he had a public feud with Arnold who was worshipped by the hierarchy. Arnold won because he was charismatic and very popular.
xanthromera 11 months ago
@xanthromera Watch the video. Arnold won because he had the best chest arms and shoulders. There was no conspiracy. The other competitors canceled each other out. Dickerson had the best back and legs. Mentzer had the best triceps, forearms second/back.. Best abs went to either Zane or Dickerson with Mentzer close behind.. Boyer won nothing but was in fantastic shape. Mentzer admitted to being sickly the day before. Zane was sick. DIckerson blew out his pecs. Who had the most points?
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 I've watched the video a hundred times, stills too. Arnold had great biceps not arms, chest was great but a competition shouldn't be won on 2 body parts. Let's not mention the blatant cavorting on stage with Franco directing from beneath. If Arnold had been a nobody that walked into this comp he would never have placed higher than 5th. I said before that Mentzer was over 200lb, according to a couple of websites he was in fact 225lb. Approximately the same as Arnold but 6" shorter.
xanthromera 11 months ago
@xanthromera Mike is not really in the conversation for winning. He placed fifth. DIckerson was clearly second best. His conditioning and musculature was superb. He would have won if he had biceps and better pecs. A 100 times? really? that's 300 hours of video viewing. If you watched the video, what was interesting about DIckerson's back when he posed rear double biceps. Who was to Arnolds left and right in the pose down. What song played during Coe's routine.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 The history of this competition is peppered with corruption and politics. Consider that Schwarzenegger turned up in a private plane with an entourage and a documentary film crew having just finished a movie. He probably could have turned up in worse condition and still won. Consensus is that Mentzer was somewhat punished for having a public feud with Schwarzenegger on training methods, HIT v's volume. The promoter for the comp, Paul Graham, was one of Schwarzenegger's best friends.
xanthromera 11 months ago
@xanthromera Your are speaking from a point of circumstance. Showing up in a private plane holds no credence to your points nor having an entourage. Mike had CBS following him as well. This is what happens when people take circumstance and try and make it fact. Was Mike being punished in 79 when he convincingly lost to Zane? No. He lost to a better prepared Zane. Mikes obsession with HIT was his demise because he refused to consider any other ideas which proved better in the long term.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 Since the departure of Schwarzenegger from competition the sport lacked a charismatic king. There were those that thought his comeback was priceless PR. Mike lost to Zane in '79 by 1 point.. Very convincing. Just like Nasser lost to a retiring sub standard Yates by one point in '97. If you think politics don't exist in this sport you are naive. Also CBS was there to film the competition objectively, it wasn't Mentzers private film crew. They also were disgusted with the result.
xanthromera 11 months ago
@planesx12 Believe it or not I have always been a Schwarzenegger fan, I just don't think he was ever in the running here. Mentzer actually came equal fourth not fifth. Dickerson may have had great conditioning but he had 16" arms,(fully pumped), and absolutely no shoulder width. His win in '82 along with Franco's win in '81 were low points in the competition's history.
I'll skip your juvenile challenge.
xanthromera 11 months ago
@xanthromera Actually, your comments suggest your a Mentzer fanboy. And your incorrect. The record shows him as fifth. Your lack of knowledge makes me wonder if your talking from little or no knowledge. If you have seen the footage, those three questions are very easy to answer. Instead of making an insulting remark, man up and answer the questions. I'll give you a hint to one of the answers. The music Coe played was from a famous movie of the time. If you can't answer then I'll assume
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 You moron, what has Coe music got to do with the subject at hand? You have made several historical blunders with regard to the competition and somehow this is now the topic. Why don't you tell me how high you can piss?
xanthromera 11 months ago
@xanthromera The point is that you are trying to come across as an expert on this subject and just blew your cover. You stated that you saw the video a 100 times. I called you on that. I knew no one would watch it 100 times but may have seen it a lot and 100 times is a way to say you had seen it a number of times. I understand that. The point I was trying to make was you have never seen the DVD's and simply mimic what other people say. As usual the uninformed resort to name calling.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 Actually I never said I had seen the dvd, I said I had seen the video100 times over. I did mean relevant video footage on Youtube, not a VHS tape. Also I may not have seen it exactly 100 times, it may have only been 87 times, who cares? With the discussion at hand why did you decide that Coe's music was so pertinent? When you made this challenge I must admit I decided you were a childish half-wit.
Didn't you call me a Mentzer fanboy? This was obviously your attempt at an insult.
xanthromera 11 months ago
@xanthromera You have resorted to name calling twice. Calling someone a Mentzer fanboy is not an insult. Your reference to watching the video a hundred times was in response to me saying I have seen the DVD's. If you haven't seen the DVD's your not IMO getting the whole picture. The DVDs cover about 2 and a half hours of the Mr. O. There is a hell of a lot more in those DVD's than the pittance of coverage on Youtube. I was calling you out on the DVD. If you saw it you could answer easy
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 If you wanted to call me a Mentzer fan I would have thought nothing of it, but fanboy is an obvious insult, give me a break. That I have viewed hours of youtube footage and dozens and dozens of stills I think is adequate to assess that Schwarzenegger was so far off his best. Along with this, the knowledge that placings in this competition have historically favoured those competitors that were Weider friendly.
xanthromera 11 months ago
@xanthromera Sorry. Fanboy is not an insult. It' s a term used to denote obsessive allegiance towards something without regards to reality. When you rate Coe above Arnold, that is a comment not based in reality.
Your right the Arnold was off his best but he was better than everyone else. There are not hours of video on YouTube about Mr.O. Seeing excerpts is not a good basis. Seeing the whole thing gives a broader view and one can see the nuances better.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 Your arrogance knows no bounds. Nice to know only you have a grasp on reality. There is consensus in the bodybuilding world that Schwarzenegger should not have placed higher than 5th. Boyer Coe has stated in interviews that there were 5 or 6 guys on stage that could have won the comp had the judging been fair, and actually singled Roger Walker. Bill Pearl made similar comments.
So you're ok with me saying you're a Schwarzenegger fanboy?
xanthromera 11 months ago
@xanthromera You name Boyer Coe as the expert you reference. ROGER WALKER???? Man you do like generalities don't you. Bill Pearl made similar comments. Man is that vague. How about what Basille said who had taken tons of photos and stated to his surprise when he concluded that Arnold won. Or what Nailon said about Arnold being the best of a weak crowd. Again, as you lose your argument you resort to name calling. I guess calling someone arrogant helps after knowing your wrong.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 You made a specific statement about reality, inferring that I had no grasp of it but that you do. My response that you were arrogant was measured and appropriate.
So Coe's and Pearl's opinions don't count? Coe has no bitterness about 1980 so his perspective has value.
xanthromera 11 months ago
@planesx12 Mikes obsession with HIT was his demise? How so? Did it cause his premature death? Addiction to amphetamines?
You think that Schwarzenegger's win in '80 is evidence of his superior physique on the day, then what of Franco's win in '81?
xanthromera 11 months ago
@xanthromera Your understanding of my comments "Mike's demise" is out of context. It's not coherent. The comment was based on his bodybuilding. Mike relied solely on HIT and refused to except other methods/ideas. Near total muscle fatigue plays an important role in BB which Mike refused to acknowledge. It's that breakdown which gives the muscles depth/deepness and the size required. Franco's win in 81 is not relevant to this discussion.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 My question was coherent, you made a statement I wanted clarified. Mentzer was a volume trainer in the early '70's. After meeting Casey Viator he was then introduced to Arthur Jones who steered him towards HIT. Training this way gave him his best condition in '79 and '80. On retiring from competition he became a personal trainer of mostly "natural" trainees. It was in these later years he further reduced workout volumes. Volume training only works on juiced individuals.
xanthromera 11 months ago
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@xanthromera Your question was not coherent. "Mikes obsession with HIT was his demise because he refused to consider any other ideas which proved better in the long term." How does that statement in anyway refer to his drug addiction or his death. What am I talking about here. I was obviously talking about his quitting bodybuilding. Your embarrassing yourself now. Copying and pasting, then you add a comment at the end to make it seem part of the quote?
planesx12 11 months ago
@xanthromera Outside of you running to other baords or websites to back up your points which makes me wonder about your knowledge in this field, Your leaving stuff out. HIT works best with new bodybuilders because their muscles are "new" and need a lot more time in healing. This applies to the ligaments and tendons as well. As people advance two days on one off while splitting up body parts works very well. You have to understand though that there is a limit for non juicers.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 Non juicers will never get 20 inch arms or even 17 or 18 inch arms in most cases. That's pure muscle low bodyfat. Not talking about big people but solid muscle arms.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 Dickerson was a juicer.
xanthromera 11 months ago
@xanthromera Of course he was. Anyone that ever stood on the MR O stage was a juicer. Even Zane. Which was my point about his arms. Simply taking roids gives one 16 inch arms.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 I typically don't reply to comments made on youtube but Zane (being both my friend and trainer) did absolutely NOT 'juice". I have no idea where you got that info from but like most gossip it's bullshit. Everyone knew at the gym that Frank was not geared up. I was there, were you?
Godsraptor 11 months ago
@Godsraptor I think you need to go back and ask your "friend" again. He stated in, it may have been M&F or some other mag that he did indeed take steroids to get the initial size to compete. This was an article I read in around 81 or 82. He didn't like them but new he needed them to get the size to compete. Your not talking to some 18 or 19 year old here, smart ass.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 I do correct myself. It may have been in the promo he was sending out which I requested from him as I was thinking about going to his training course. In one of those three things he admitted to his steroid usage. But even as I state this I am actually pretty sure it was M&F. If I remember there was a big interview with him and that was where he stated it.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 Please post this article or at least quote the correct date please. I know Frank, have trained with him, hung out with him, was featured in his magazine as well as the gym I've owned and operated for the past 20 years where I've personnally conducted over 50,000 personal training sessions and who are you again...smart ass?
Godsraptor 11 months ago
@Godsraptor Since your friends with him, call him up? Say some guy on Youtube says you admitted to steroid use back in your beginning days of bodybuilding. But, the problem is your not friends with Zane or were just acquaintances. And you probably asked him like the the dipshit that you are, hey Frank did you take steroids and he probably said what no get lost. Um yea let me go research that for ya. I'll call up Weider today and have his team go run that down for you. I get back to ya.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 the sad thing about you is ummm everything. 47 years old never really did anything with your life, Name calling behind the safety of your little computer screen like some 12 year old keyboard commando Can't handle being called out even though presentable facts are available. Jealous, underdeveloped sense of selfworth, living in a state of arrested emotional development. Post endlessly to garner the attention you feel you deserve etc. Dipshit? Your maturity level is overwhelming
Godsraptor 11 months ago
@Godsraptor What your little ploy to pretend to be someone of importance ie.. "I was friend s with Zane and he and I trained a lot of people together." didn't work out so well. At least xanthromera made a good fight, even though I didn't agree with him. You on the other hand are a nincompoop. You state something which every bodybuilder worth his salt knows is bullshit and which Zane admitted to doing. but we are supposed to believe you because you say so.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 learn to read...never claimed "he and I trained a lot of people together" my post was that he trained me...your credibility falters with every misqoute you post. and as far as someone of importance my 4 hall of fame inductions speak for themselves. As far as the steroid comment I am only speaking from peronal experience that this is what Frank told me while at his home relaxing after a saturday morning leg workout. I have no reason to believe he lied. Grow up already, man. "wannabe"
Godsraptor 11 months ago
@Godsraptor Arnold and I frequently share war stories over a couple of cigars in the governors mansion. He told me that in the beginning, Zane would ask Arnold to shoot him up with Steroids because Zane had a bad disposition to sticking himself with needles. After about a year of this and asking other BB'rs when Arnold wasn't around, Weider finally told Zane, maybe you should stop using steroids. Weider said, you've gained enough mass why don't become my first steroid free BB'r. True!!!
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 lol.....I guess you're not totally void of humor after all. This post actually made my morning, Thank you.
Godsraptor 11 months ago
@Godsraptor Zane was not a natural trainer. The kind of size and conditioning he achieved on stage for an ectomorphic phenotype was way too good for a natural. In Zane's day steroids were still legal also.
Casey Viator is on record as denying steroid use also, but his training partners say otherwise.
xanthromera 11 months ago
@Godsraptor Dude you are pathetic. "Absolutely did not Juice" Ha Ha Like Rafael Palmerio. Zane took a lot of steroids back in the 70's . They all did !!!!!!!!!!
oreldm 8 months ago
@planesx12 I have a good knowledge of exercise physiology and bb history without running to boards. I have also spoken at length with both Mentzer and Coe via email. I don't believe there is any evidence empiricle or anecdotal that would specifically lead one to believe HIT only works on beginners. Was Yates a beginner? Was Coe a beginner?
I myself volume trained until I was 30, on switching to HIT put on 11kg(24lb) in 2 years.
xanthromera 11 months ago
@xanthromera I thought you just said volume training only works on Juicers. So Yates didn't juice? He did it with HIT alone? WHo are you trying to kid? Yates did mostly volume workouts and juiced to high heaven. I personally like Coe as a person because he fought through some genetic issues and still got a great body. HIT IS NOT USED by any smart bodybuilder worth their salt as their main source for mass. That is current and most past BBrs of note.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 Yates was a HIT advocate, read his own words. Was a friend and student of Mentzer's. Trained 3.5 hours per week when volume guys were doing 6 - 12. You get your own opinion but you don't get your own facts.
With the average pro now using 2000 - 3000 milligrams per week, not to mention growth and 'slin, recovery is less of an issue. But there are several pros using HIT, some under the tutelage of Yates.
Coe told me he reached his best condition following a Yates HIT workout.
xanthromera 11 months ago
@xanthromera Firstly, I think Mentzer fanboy is an accurate description after the the last few posts. Again, you are misstating the facts to suit your argument. Yates was not an HIT advocate. He used "SOME" of the principles of HIT in his "OWN" workout regiment. He has stated on several occasions that HIT was to extreme. Meaning the theories were to outside the norm for muscle growth. Look. If HIT were the end all to muscle growth, every bodybuilder would be doing. Don't be naive.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 He has stated time and time again that he is a HIT advocate, it's all over Youtube. He has a flourishing personal training and seminar business, again clips are on Youtube. You can watch him state time and time again "one working set" . There are interviews where he is specifically asked the question about the best way to train and he states HIT. If you want I am happy to post the links to some of these clips.
Look up Mark Dougdale who went to England to be trained by Yates.
xanthromera 11 months ago
@xanthromera Believe me when I tell you, bodybuilders, especially of today don't give a shit about who made what theory or who is right or wrong. ALl they want to know is will I grow big and fast. IF the antiquated theories of HIT were doing what Mike said they would, EVERY SINGLE PRO BB'r would be doing it. The problem is that is not the case nor will it ever be. Did you ever stop and think that maybe Mike was money motivated? Do you think Coe gets a cut of book sales.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 Buddy I doubt you know much about training. You seem to be another armchair critic, when was the last time you actually picked up a weight? There are alot of trainers professional and amateur who train HIT, how would you know otherwise? Why don't you run with your new HIT conspiracy theory where all these old boys like Coe are telling lies to sell books.
xanthromera 11 months ago
@xanthromera My point was that people have to make a living. Coe is not going to tell you anything but that HIT is the best. You are the one mentioning conspiracy. Most bodybuilders, at least on the pro level have incorporated the rest theories of HIT into their routines because it works. Your incredibly defensive which is a sign of someone not willing to view things beyond a fixed idea. Cutler has changed his routine many times to adapt. AS did Yates Who blew out his body twice from HIT.
planesx12 11 months ago
@planesx12 Again you are softening your stance here. Yates has stated many times that the reason he injured himself was because he continued to train very heavy whilst dieting, which is pointless because no muscle can be gained when so depleted. These interviews are on Youtube.
xanthromera 11 months ago
@planesx12 I don't think Coe is trying to pump HIT or sell books about HIT. He made a living selling prestige car insurance. I have written to this man a few times to clarify statements made by Charles Poliquin on his website. Poliquin has made a career out of rubbishing HIT and Mentzer in favour of "German Volume Training". He stated on his website that Coe was never able to make gains using HIT and went back to volume training. Coe said this was untrue and that he still did HIT, just slower.
xanthromera 11 months ago