After French lost DienBienPhu in 1954, HoChiMinh opened Land Reform in 1955, Ho bastard killed 750,000 innocent civilians, because they were rich, vast land, big house and gold. Later uncle HoChiMinh pushed one million young men to fright in the South, during TET 1968 Ho ordered to kill and bury a live 5,000 Hue citizens.
The US never invaded, it committed troops to support the south against a mounting insurgency. The idea was that if the south fell other nations would follow suit and such communist expansion was not acceptable to the western democracies.
Yes my grandmother just died four days ago and yes I'm Vietnamese. My Grandfather was a South Vietnamese General and he saw a lot of horrible things coming out in war. He was in reeducation camp after the communists took control in 1975. If you say anything bad, they would pull out your fingernail. It's horrible.
@Hperman09 Your grand father must have supported the corrupt DIEM regime that with the help of foreign troops blocked the NATIONAL ELECTIONS ordered by the UN General assemble .Knowing he would lose . Grand father was lucky ,many patriots never got the chance, They were murdered by S,VIETNAMESE /AMERICAN TROOPS .FIGHTING FOR UNIFICATION AND INDEPENDENCE .
@TheMOONBEAM40 Both North and South are corruopt but do you think the north was better? I think my grandfather know a lot more about Vietnam and he's been through hell. He fought for what he believed you come and trash talk for the one you never met and know? Please shut the fuck up.
@Hperman09 Much respect to your grandfather! He must have really suffered fighting what he believed was right .But many Vets returned to independent Vietnam and made their peace with them. They were made welcome. They understood that when young + naive You tend to believe what a powerful media tells you .The world knows how corrupt Nixon + Johnson were .It took educated Americans /students IE to fight the lies and stop the slaughter. ALL views should be aired
Can you image the cost of an overrun by the north at Keh Sanh? Perhapes only the French can understand this. One thing's for sure, it would have taken all of the 45,000 NVA surrounding them to do it.
War provoked by communists, who were trained in Paris and even in the U.S. This is not possible, unless there are some really powerful and rich dudes taking care of it.
@commander554 Not at all. France was trying to retake their colony. U.S invaded purely because of the Red Scare. Stupidly, U.S did the exact samething France did, did not commit 100% to the war, didn't have public support, and therefore lost, and sadly 58000 U.S troops and over 100000 NVA men died because some dumbasses pushing papers.
@PlanetoftheRape it wasn't until they started showing casualties on tv, did the public started pushing against the war, much less heard of Viet Nam. Indeed the war was lost not as much by military miscalculations as it was by politicians back home who couldn't get their act together.
@PlanetoftheRape Even we make a mistake in Iraq too. The reason why George Bush Sr(yes Bush Jr's father) didn't finished the job in 1991 because taking out Saddam and his regime would have allow the gate to open to Iran. The Islamic religious zealots in Iraq would have spring out of Saddam's control and fight to control the territories inside Iraq and that would have threatened middle eastern nations.
Always go with a perfect exit plan and what to really do. Today's politcians never learn.
I suppose from a certain perspective we do all think higher of ourselves at times, But who else provides such good for other nations with Aid and such when their governments won't lift a finger? The US, We try our best to use our power for.."Moderate" Good. Thanks for listening to this if you did, Hope I didn't come off too strong.
Be honest, the US thinks they own the world just because they have the most nuclear bombs right now, they dont care about the smaller countries, or even other continents, i mean when the economy went bad in America, it was Europe who did their best to help, but now Europe's economy goes down, Where is America? they are too worried about themselves
@RockDeviI What did europe do for the US? Economicly not much and vise versa it's hard to help economicly. Not to belittle American and European relations but europe is a continent with diffrent countries and divided veiws. Although Britain, France, Germany, Finland and a couple other countries did get involved in the wars in afghanistan and Iraq. (and still are)
Dont forget The Netherlands in the list in countries helping in afghanistan and iraq :P (yeah im dutch) anyway Europe tried to help the US economy thats more than the US is doing for Europe at the moment
You seriously dont see? If they didnt help those international disasters, the world would turn away from the US for it, they helped so other countries would say "Wow the US is a great country, they help people who got into all that"
Believe me, I see what your trying to say. But I could jsut make a bland assumption like that and say whoever Europe tried to help was just trying to make themselves look good as well.
@RockDeviI Bullshit America gives tons of aid to several impoverished countries but it can only do so much before having to eventually take care of its own people. Who the hell has America's back when shit hits the fan other than the EU and UN? The American people have worked hard and rightfully earned itself the status of super power. What do you think the status of super power is handed out freely? America isn't benignly perfect but neither any other country.
I'm sorry for the dead and wooden, I' m glad that Americans lose the war. The only thing they manage to do is that they make vietnam girls porns of americans soldiers. Run Run Run Americans. OHOHOHOHHOHOH YEAH More faster than Rabbits they run
@BeigeFunk The City was Over Run, Their For the US embassy was captured.. The problem was the Viet Cong were using Laos to move their Weapons to the Front Line, America had to use the CIA to fight in Laos. America were in Vietnam as Peace Keepers for the South, they should have went Full out War on North and Bomb every inch of that land then they fear a China or Russia Attack.
Great point!!! We all know that our political system needs fixing in a big way. US citizens are to blame for this. Collectively we have let it happen while we decided not to participate in the political process. But then we are the first to point fingers rather than lift one to fix it.
all the American whining about Vietnam and the syndrome is pathetic. Many of the soldiers volunteered, they went just for a limited amount of time, they got paid, fed, clothed, they could smoke weed and shag things. There are still men alive in Vietnam who started fighting at the age of 16 and finished at 50, they are not many as most of them are dead. Often, they couldn't even choose the side, malnourished with a substantial part of the family dead, you do not see them in veteran nuthouses
@6afslowo exactly , loo at the men in Germany fighting in ww2 , in 1944 they were barely guaranteed enough cals to make in through a week and ammunition not nearly equal to that of the allies.
Hey, I am a Czech student studying the Gook language in Gookland. The war was fought to see whether the Capitalist or the Communist dick is bigger, nothing to do with the people of any nation. Ho Chi Minh became a Communist in 1921 (aged 31) after he was refused help from the West at the Paris Peace Conference in 1919, if you read the Vietnamese Declaration of Independence, it is full of quotations from the American one. He was first a nationalist, then a Communist but Truman turned him down
and its not as if they did it for communism as they fought their biggest communist partner China straight after the american conflict. so they did it for Vietnam not an ideology.
I wonder if the guy at 03:38 survived the war and went to school like he hoped in this clip. I sometimes stay awake and wonder about this sort of stuff. Not to mention the young men/women in Iraq/Afghanistan...what are their hopes...and did they make it out intact?
I am an aussie , and i love all creeds that fought the V. N war we are united as we stood and if we about face we will fall , unite for the men women and children that died in this dirt battle. i care, love and feel for you all.
@Bojangles7h7 I'm also sorry for good American lives being lost in Vietnam ; I have two close relatives who lost their lives in Vietnam (one great-uncle and one first cousin). Vietnam in NOT a piece of shit country, It is a beautiful country that deserves to live as everyone else.
to the Americans who supported their war! you said you came to librate Vietnam from Comunism, but who you are to think that you're better than the Communists? and ofcourse you're not at all! and what do you say about the murders, destructions your country has made in Vietnam? If your brains still function, then you better know that you owe Vietnam an apology, a BIG one!
@ddthienvuong Learn some history. The Americans did NOT come to Vietnam to liberate it. It came to SOUTH Vietnam to protect it from North Vietnamese aggression. North Vietnam was actively and aggressively trying to take over South Vietnam. Whether we should have stayed in Vietnam for as long as we did, or played with the concept of 'Low Intensity Warfare' by tying our own hands behind our back, is another question entirely. FYI, there were quite a few countries fighting for the South...
@mozo73 Communism isn't perfect, I don't refuse that, and I don't refuse that they started the war, but it was for good cause, it was for the reunification of my country, I think it was also too much to say that the Communist librated South VN from the Capitalist, but you must know that even most Southerners supported Communism too, so the war was good for most people, so the Communist fought for the good cause, didn't they?
@ddthienvuong Apparently you are from Hanoi from your YT channel. Hope you are not too much propagandized by the happenstance of your location. Perhaps the Vietnamese people will wake up one day to the fact that Ho Chi Min and the Communists were just as guilty of the war as any other...without CONSTANT Communist aggression against South Vietnam there would not have been a war at all. The Communists owe EVERYONE an apology, a BIG one!.... (paraphrasing you).
@mozo73 America owes Vietnam a bigger apology for going to Vietnam and blowing up Local people regardless of the political reasons given by both sides vietnam has nothing to do with Americans so why do they stick their troops in? I see it as a simple expanding of an empires influence.
@Jonker1FART Re: "..vietnam has nothing to do with Americans so why do they stick their troops in?.." I think that I explained that the Americans came to SOUTH Vietnam to help her in her struggle against an aggressive North Vietnam Which was actively trying to take South Vietnam over. South Vietnam was a legitimate country with her own sovereignty and America had an obligation as an ally to help. Mind you, I'm not happy either with how the war progressed, only correcting the guy's history-sense.
@mozo73 SOUTH Vietnam didnt officially exist the country was in civil war and like all civil wars should be left to internal solution. "South Vietnam was a legitimate country with her own sovereignty and America had an obligation as an ally to help. " South vietnam was recognised By the USA but north vietnam was recognised by China, Cambodia, India, USSR, France and a few others before the American invasion. The UN dictates that a civil war is to be without outside influence for it to settle.
@Jonker1FART Ah, thanks, paraphrasing me keeps me humble. I agree that I am propagandized by my culture, who isn't ?. That does not give me or ddthienvuong the right to make stuff up, like saying that the U.S came to Vietnam to liberate her from the Communists....It seems to me that people are very quick to forget the country of SOUTH Vietnam (because, you know, North Vietnam did exactly what it said it would do and 'liberated' South Vietnam into non-existence).
@mozo73 Vietnam should be reunified, it's good for my country, and as Communism was favoured by the majority of the people, it was unified under the Northern Communist government! And as you Yanks fought against the Communist, that means you were against the major of the Vietnamese people, and so well... I can say that their war against you was justified. Forget South Vietnam, it was actually disliked by many of it's own people too, it should go!
@ddthienvuong I've personally known Viet refugees who emigrated to the U.S who would disagree with you about the majority in the south favoring Communism. Yes, you are right, Vietnam should be unified, and today's Vietnam is a different story than Vietnam of 40 years ago. We thought that we were doing right, and the Communists thought that they were doing right...ultimately they were both wrong. If there needs to be an apology it should be from both or from none.
@mozo73 If there're more people supporting Capitalism than Communism, how do you explain that in the South there was a Communist's anti government organization (NLF), while there're none againsting the Communist in the North? We both agreed that unification is good, but only 1 government will stay after, and it would be the more supported government! Communism was more favoured by the people, so there's nothing wrong when it takes power.t
@mozo73 ok, you were sonewhat right about that I should not tell the Americans to apology for what they were fighting for, they actually had good reasons like the Communist, but they were wrong to involve in the war, I mean, it was OUR war, to decide how are we gonna run OUR country! the Yanks were unwelcomed, they still came, lengthened the war, left behind tons of destructions... And have you wondered why does everyone except for the Americans to support their war in Vietnam?
@ddthienvuong Ah, you forget that Australia and South Korea, among several other nations, fought against the N.V.A and the "Viet Cong". When you say "...have you wondered why does everyone except for the Americans...etc.", you are forgetting history, which is the thing that I was disagreeing with you about. No offence, but the war was more complex than you seem to think. Ho Chi Min and the Communists are as responsible, perhaps MORE responsible, for the war as every one else involved. Peace.
@ddthienvuong Also, I will have to respectfully disagree with you about how many people in the South really wanted Communist rule from Hanoi. To this day I hear jokes from South Viet about North Viet ; there is a quiet animosity between Viet even here in the U.S. You see, 'after the fact' it is easy to say what people "wanted", but the reality may be very different than what you or I think. Again, I mean you no offence...Peace.
@mozo73 I know that you want peace as well as me, I'm a supporter of no side, just a truth seeker, perhaps you're too. So, we can't just leave this argument unsolved, in fact, let's have a talk until we can both figure out the truth, and agree with each other, until we can really have peace, until the people of USA and Vietnam can have peace from now on!... so what do you say?
@mozo73 peace outside, but there're still big conflicts between our ideologies, our opinions on the war, the way our people think of it! example: I said more Vietnamese supported Communism and you said the other way...
@ddthienvuong Well, I can tell you that most of the Viet Americans who I have talked to over the years have been unhappy about the Communist take-over of Vietnam. I also know two older people who spent years of their lives in prison after the war, one man because he was a Sgt. in the R.S.V.A, and the other man because he was a journalist who was critical of the new regime in the 1970's and didn't know that he had better shut up or bad things would happen to him. I am not saying that...cont.
@mozo73 Re: " I said more..supported Communism..etc." Let me try to give you an example from my own national history : During the Revolution of 1776-83, many Americans supported the British and many Americans were for Independence from the British; AFTER the war how many Americans supported the British ? Well, those who supported the British and did not renounce it, had their property taken, and were forced to go to England or Canada. Afterwards no one DARED to differ !...Do you understand ?
@ddthienvuong...people necessarily liked the American presence or the well known corruption of Diem or other regimes of South Vietnam. What I am saying is that after years of listening to older Viet people (BTW, I worked for several years around many Viet and Chinese/Viet, most from the southern part of the country) that they would have rather put up with the corruption and oligarchy in the south than for uncle Ho to constantly invade and make their lives miserable over 'Ideology'.
@mozo73 by the way mozo, I know the American military personnels aren't bad themselves, they just fought for their ideology, so were the Communist soldiers. As you see, the reason that made us fight each other was only ideaology, it made mankind fight each others, good men kill each others... you are one of the very few I met that understands that, as I see you've been discussing very politely over this sensitive problem. You really deserves respects, what a pity we're not on the same side...
@mozo73 misrable? their properties must have been taken, well, that's a part of the ideology, everything belongs to everyone... or they have resisted or something. The ones you met were not few, I agree, but the Communist supporters are much more, and they are still happy with their life under Communist, and they are the majority! no, not really actually, the VIetnamese government today is corrupted, but they would rather be like this than having the old Southern regime and a divided Vietnam!
@ddthienvuong Well, Vietnam being united is the Ideal to be hoped for, and I am happy that Vietnam is no longer divided. I think that you understand that I have a great deal of respect for Vietnam and Viet culture. Some years ago, while working in a very Viet environment, I even learned to speak your language well enough to carry on simple conversation. I've forgotten most of it now, but I'll probably want to pick it up again in the future. Thanks for the conversation and I wish you well !
@ddthienvuong BTW, I'm not against certain very good ideas in Communist theory. What I am against is the inevitable repression by Communist regimes against all dissent and the severe restriction of personal liberties.
@mozo73 "Ah, thanks, paraphrasing me keeps me humble. I agree that I am propagandized by my culture, who isn't ?. " North Vietnam who didnt need propoganda fueled tv and radio they just had to walk outside to see US bombers bombing the local village then watch as US troops come and burn it down while raping young girls and killing farmers. No matter how you like to spice up the reasons for USA destroying over a million and a half people.
@Jonker1FART I have not spiced up anything, I have twice explained my position. I have also agreed with you about how the war progressed. You on the other hand, make shit up like South Vietnam was not a country. Other nations other than the U.S fought on the side of South Vietnam and they sure as hell recognized it as a separate country. Who are you to say that only the North was legitimate ? Quit being such a damned misinformed ideologue. Now I'll get back to ddthienvuong who has some civility.
@mozo73 "Other nations other than the U.S fought on the side of South Vietnam and they sure as hell recognized it as a separate country." Australia, Britain and france tend to be partners in most major conflicts. South vietnam was not a proper country....the whole region was up in the air. "Quit being such a damned misinformed ideologue. " lol yea im misinformed. When was the last time you visited Vietnam? or spoke to its people?
@Jonker1FART Hey, you're simplistic B.S is a very real indication that you are full of B.S. about your "three years" in Vietnam. On your Y.T channel there is not a single upload about your time in Vietnam. Now tell me please, WHY is that so ?.
@mozo73 "Hey, you're simplistic B.S is a very real indication that you are full of B.S. about your "three years" in Vietnam." How many years experience do you have in south east asia?.....how about instead of calling my points simplistic BS you actually refute them
@mozo73 "On your Y.T channel there is not a single upload about your time in Vietnam" on your yt channel there is the russian throat singer guy does that mean your a troll?
@mozo73 Well Jonker, in all your missives until that last one you didn't once say anything about your superior knowledge of Viet sentiments for your having been there. I would have thought that you would have saved yourself the trouble and would have opened your remarks with your sojourn in S.E Asia so as to let us all know that you are an expert....but, of course, you didn't do this. Don't blame me for calling B.S when I see it.
@mozo73 Refute points dont attack .....thats the way to win a debate you called me out on points i made i gave you a straight answer...stop clutching at straws. i also spent two years in Laos (humble people, nice country) and Cambodia mainly looking for a viper species: cattle horn. During these two years we spent the Monsoon season in Hanoi or Ho chi minh...depending on were we just returned from.
@Jonker1FART Re: "Refute points dont attack...etc." Go back to the comments and READ the responses. That your point of view continues to differ from mine is not because I didn't answer you,it is simply that you didn't like my answer and continue in having your opinion. We are all entitled to opine, we are not entitled to make things up like there wasn't an answer when there was one. Is this clear enough for you ?, or do they not teach critical reasoning in "Herpetology" college ?
@mozo73 "do they not teach critical reasoning in "Herpetology" college ?" you insist on slagging off my work and profession but at least i didnt need to travel to saigon in the early 80's to learn the riddle of rice. lol ok bad joke but seriously if you READ back over your responses you would realise that your spouting propoganda that is as old as the proxy war you know so much about.
@mozo73 "That your point of view continues to differ from mine is not because I didn't answer you,it is simply that you didn't like my answer and continue in having your opinion." my points are just opinion? no buddy they are the opinion of peasants in vietnam. people who when i was there had two famines and still gave us food and shelter i take their "opinions" over your saigon experience any day.
@Jonker1FART You bring up an interesting point with "your saigon experience". You have had a "Ho Chi Min City" experience (still not buying it you understand, just for the sake of argument), i.o.w. you have not heard from people who were there BEFORE the North took over and shut everybody up.
@mozo73 "you have not heard from people who were there BEFORE the North took over and shut everybody up. " thats if i were to belive the propoganda of the US and the corrupt feckers the Vietnamese kicked out.
@Jonker1FART The people who were there bfore the north took back the south were US backed puppets and corrupt money grubbers exactly like asking me to ask a cuban exile what he thought of castro....I wouldnt bother because they were the corrupt and puppets that got the boot.
@Jonker1FART Re: "The people who were there before..were US backed puppets..etc." Alright, You have now demonstrated beyond a doubt that you really are quite clueless about the Viet refugee population here in the states and elsewhere.
@mozo73 "here in the states and elsewhere." this alone tells me that anything anybody else tells you about the history your country wrote is gonna be bullshit to you. go fucking visit nam and dont just work in a viet take away then try tell me about it
@Jonker1FART Re: "...says it all about the version of events your telling" So you are saying that the Viet that I have known are all a bunch of U.S puppets and money grubbers who are just joshing me ?...Weird, because almost all of my Viet friends and aquaintances worked in kitchens and hotel house keeping slop jobs...
@mozo73 "you are saying that the Viet that I have known are all a bunch of U.S puppets and money grubbers who are just joshing me ?" didnt say that at all i mearly say that the actual people to who live in and fought against them and the US have a tottally different opinion to you and them. If you were them would you tell of how you ran from your home because you went against the views of its people?
@mozo73 "Weird, because almost all of my Viet friends and aquaintances worked in kitchens and hotel house keeping slop jobs..." lol what did they and you expect america will reward you but not on american soil
@Jonker1FART Oh, I see...the Viet cooks, waiters, bus-boys, house-keepers, were all a bunch of duped people from Saigon who were somehow connected to S.V.A ruling class. Right, I'm all corrected now.
@mozo73 o they fled a tyranic government who the rest of the people supported and many cambodians fled to in hard time in cambodia. sure sure.......... I'm all corrected now an american gave me his version of history EVERYBODY THE WHOLE REASON THE VIETNAM WAR WAS FOUGHT WAS FOR FREEDOM..........problem solved now just let iraq know and together we can resolve that conflict too
@mozo73 you would know all about that man..... you made a fucking joke out of my profession and hundreds and thousands of people researching snakes and snake venom.
@Jonker1FART Who taught you Vietnam was fought for "freedom?" The US fought Vietnam because of the "Domino Theory." That was the belief that if Vietnam was allowed to become communist, all of Southeast Asia would fall to communism. In other words, Vietnam was just an extension of the Cold War between the US and Russia. Cambodia fell to communism too after Vietnam, but the "Domino Theory" was over-exaggerated and is now widely discredited.
@mozo73 and not to mention if your a fresh Viet in USA you dont want to become a blip on the anti-communist american radar so you'll tell any american what they want to hear.
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TheSwaggaElite 9 hours ago
its probably said before but the title of the vid is speld wrong its khe sanh
Drflashbash 3 days ago
kill all Muslims on the planet.
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After French lost DienBienPhu in 1954, HoChiMinh opened Land Reform in 1955, Ho bastard killed 750,000 innocent civilians, because they were rich, vast land, big house and gold. Later uncle HoChiMinh pushed one million young men to fright in the South, during TET 1968 Ho ordered to kill and bury a live 5,000 Hue citizens.
thoyedao 1 week ago
The US never invaded, it committed troops to support the south against a mounting insurgency. The idea was that if the south fell other nations would follow suit and such communist expansion was not acceptable to the western democracies.
DanielCleary89 2 weeks ago
@DanielCleary89 america fight for democracy? i see SHELL,ESSO....
SmokingFighters83 1 week ago 2
President Johnson's support for Khe San was to ensure - in his words or similar - "we ain't gonna have another Dien Bien f*****g Phu!"
54321Rambler 2 weeks ago
Great post.
ObltKG4 2 weeks ago
Yes my grandmother just died four days ago and yes I'm Vietnamese. My Grandfather was a South Vietnamese General and he saw a lot of horrible things coming out in war. He was in reeducation camp after the communists took control in 1975. If you say anything bad, they would pull out your fingernail. It's horrible.
Hperman09 3 weeks ago
@Hperman09 Your grand father must have supported the corrupt DIEM regime that with the help of foreign troops blocked the NATIONAL ELECTIONS ordered by the UN General assemble .Knowing he would lose . Grand father was lucky ,many patriots never got the chance, They were murdered by S,VIETNAMESE /AMERICAN TROOPS .FIGHTING FOR UNIFICATION AND INDEPENDENCE .
TheMOONBEAM40 2 weeks ago
@TheMOONBEAM40 Both North and South are corruopt but do you think the north was better? I think my grandfather know a lot more about Vietnam and he's been through hell. He fought for what he believed you come and trash talk for the one you never met and know? Please shut the fuck up.
Hperman09 2 weeks ago
@Hperman09 Much respect to your grandfather! He must have really suffered fighting what he believed was right .But many Vets returned to independent Vietnam and made their peace with them. They were made welcome. They understood that when young + naive You tend to believe what a powerful media tells you .The world knows how corrupt Nixon + Johnson were .It took educated Americans /students IE to fight the lies and stop the slaughter. ALL views should be aired
TheMOONBEAM40 2 weeks ago
thanks for the video I'm going, me and my friends, to make a model of Khe shann with models in 1:35
killbepi 3 weeks ago
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kubaAk47 3 weeks ago
@kubaAk47 Fuck you that's not even funny.
steveperez117 3 weeks ago
your a pussy :-)
TheHowiekapowie 3 weeks ago
Dad was there. RIP 8/12/11
nataliebowman79 3 weeks ago 7
Can you image the cost of an overrun by the north at Keh Sanh? Perhapes only the French can understand this. One thing's for sure, it would have taken all of the 45,000 NVA surrounding them to do it.
fripertronics 4 weeks ago
Reporter - "Is it worth it?"
Marine - "Yeah, I don't know, they say we're fighting for something, I don't know."
ole9421 1 month ago 18
@ole9421 Im getting sick :(
TagzBloody 4 weeks ago
@ole9421 My man was there. He still doesn't know what it was for, 44 years later.
ickiepoo 3 weeks ago
when he said love tim, it reminded me of the things they carried :(
blacksushi150 1 month ago
this is how we became a immigrant because of USA.
kokooo035 1 month ago
fuck USA. they wanna beat all the country. fuck USA fuck.
kokooo035 1 month ago
War provoked by communists, who were trained in Paris and even in the U.S. This is not possible, unless there are some really powerful and rich dudes taking care of it.
shetlandwool 1 month ago
@shetlandwool Ofc there is they are building up their agenda with all these wars dont ever forget that
TagzBloody 4 weeks ago
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jewishleafbleeder 1 month ago
France techniclly started the war.
commander554 1 month ago
@commander554 Not at all. France was trying to retake their colony. U.S invaded purely because of the Red Scare. Stupidly, U.S did the exact samething France did, did not commit 100% to the war, didn't have public support, and therefore lost, and sadly 58000 U.S troops and over 100000 NVA men died because some dumbasses pushing papers.
PlanetoftheRape 1 month ago
@PlanetoftheRape The idochina war, correct?
commander554 1 month ago
@commander554 yes, that would be between France and Vietnam
PlanetoftheRape 4 weeks ago
@PlanetoftheRape it wasn't until they started showing casualties on tv, did the public started pushing against the war, much less heard of Viet Nam. Indeed the war was lost not as much by military miscalculations as it was by politicians back home who couldn't get their act together.
009radix 1 month ago
@009radix That's correct, U.S did win most of the battles, but not the war, because politicians were dicking around back home.
PlanetoftheRape 4 weeks ago
@PlanetoftheRape Even we make a mistake in Iraq too. The reason why George Bush Sr(yes Bush Jr's father) didn't finished the job in 1991 because taking out Saddam and his regime would have allow the gate to open to Iran. The Islamic religious zealots in Iraq would have spring out of Saddam's control and fight to control the territories inside Iraq and that would have threatened middle eastern nations.
Always go with a perfect exit plan and what to really do. Today's politcians never learn.
Hperman09 3 weeks ago
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what documentary/movie is this? it's mad good
stratplayer1992 1 month ago
My Grandfather died in this. :'(
johncenaman1000 1 month ago
@johncenaman1000 My father fought here. God bless.
toujourslinfidel 1 month ago
Respect for what they did their but Americans need to get their fingers outta their ass, they all think their heroes
suffdawg 1 month ago
@suffdawg
I suppose from a certain perspective we do all think higher of ourselves at times, But who else provides such good for other nations with Aid and such when their governments won't lift a finger? The US, We try our best to use our power for.."Moderate" Good. Thanks for listening to this if you did, Hope I didn't come off too strong.
CovertAgentSkittles 1 month ago
@CovertAgentSkittles
Be honest, the US thinks they own the world just because they have the most nuclear bombs right now, they dont care about the smaller countries, or even other continents, i mean when the economy went bad in America, it was Europe who did their best to help, but now Europe's economy goes down, Where is America? they are too worried about themselves
RockDeviI 1 month ago
@RockDeviI What did europe do for the US? Economicly not much and vise versa it's hard to help economicly. Not to belittle American and European relations but europe is a continent with diffrent countries and divided veiws. Although Britain, France, Germany, Finland and a couple other countries did get involved in the wars in afghanistan and Iraq. (and still are)
yahoopo4 1 month ago
@yahoopo4
Dont forget The Netherlands in the list in countries helping in afghanistan and iraq :P (yeah im dutch) anyway Europe tried to help the US economy thats more than the US is doing for Europe at the moment
RockDeviI 1 month ago 13
@RockDeviI
"Doesn't care about smaller countries."
Haiti
Puerto Rico
Japanese Tsunami Disaster
African countries in WW2.
CovertAgentSkittles 1 month ago
@CovertAgentSkittles
You seriously dont see? If they didnt help those international disasters, the world would turn away from the US for it, they helped so other countries would say "Wow the US is a great country, they help people who got into all that"
RockDeviI 1 month ago
@RockDeviI
Believe me, I see what your trying to say. But I could jsut make a bland assumption like that and say whoever Europe tried to help was just trying to make themselves look good as well.
CovertAgentSkittles 1 month ago
@RockDeviI are you american? if you are, you do not deserve it
belnegro1 1 month ago
@belnegro1
If you have read my past comments, you'd know im Dutch
RockDeviI 1 month ago
@RockDeviI sorry i didnt..ok now u are forgiven
belnegro1 1 month ago
@RockDeviI Bullshit America gives tons of aid to several impoverished countries but it can only do so much before having to eventually take care of its own people. Who the hell has America's back when shit hits the fan other than the EU and UN? The American people have worked hard and rightfully earned itself the status of super power. What do you think the status of super power is handed out freely? America isn't benignly perfect but neither any other country.
1ScvReady 1 month ago
@1ScvReady
Superpower is only handed to the biggest countries because they have the most people and the most weapons, i mean shit are you that blind?
RockDeviI 1 month ago
@RockDeviI america was in europe when we really needed it and you were not even borm
belnegro1 1 month ago
@belnegro1
You forgot that that wasnt just America, that were the Allied forces, which included hell of alot more than just America
RockDeviI 1 month ago
@RockDeviI america paied the highest price..for nothing
belnegro1 1 month ago
@belnegro1
Storming the damn beach was a stupid idea, yes
RockDeviI 1 month ago
@RockDeviI going to vietnam was stupid in the first place
Truthordeath555 1 month ago
@Truthordeath555
The last comments in that discussion were about WW2 not vietnam, sorry for the confusion
RockDeviI 1 month ago
Quân mỹ nhảy vào chiến trường Việt Nam thì chỉ có từ chết cho tới bị thương thôi .Lính Mỹ là môt đàn gà khi xâm chiếm Việt Nam
quanhuyen7993 1 month ago
When is hollywood gonna ever make a movie about what happen in Khe Sanh?
TheAl1971 1 month ago
SMWRBD must mean what green day call american idiot.
TheBEF2 1 month ago
Thebef must mean the moron in whatever country he came from
smwrbd 1 month ago
I'm sorry for the dead and wooden, I' m glad that Americans lose the war. The only thing they manage to do is that they make vietnam girls porns of americans soldiers. Run Run Run Americans. OHOHOHOHHOHOH YEAH More faster than Rabbits they run
TheBEF2 1 month ago
@TheBEF2 I had no idea we had wooden soldiers.
burlone718 1 month ago 2
@burlone718 Ok. I accept your irony and humor. The same I would do. I mean wounded- injured, non wooden.
TheBEF2 1 month ago
That was the best footage Ive ever seen.
MrTrolloling 1 month ago
I don't understand how the Viet Cong managed to capture the US embassy. Don't all US embassies have a detachment of Marines to protect it?
BeigeFunk 1 month ago
@BeigeFunk The City was Over Run, Their For the US embassy was captured.. The problem was the Viet Cong were using Laos to move their Weapons to the Front Line, America had to use the CIA to fight in Laos. America were in Vietnam as Peace Keepers for the South, they should have went Full out War on North and Bomb every inch of that land then they fear a China or Russia Attack.
foleybarbarian 1 month ago
Great point!!! We all know that our political system needs fixing in a big way. US citizens are to blame for this. Collectively we have let it happen while we decided not to participate in the political process. But then we are the first to point fingers rather than lift one to fix it.
HuskerSeaofRed 1 month ago
What's that song at the end of the video?
633Jupiter 2 months ago
many were lost and are gone but they are not forgotten and will never be forgotten but many did come back injured or not but we love them the same
greasemonkey338 2 months ago
all the American whining about Vietnam and the syndrome is pathetic. Many of the soldiers volunteered, they went just for a limited amount of time, they got paid, fed, clothed, they could smoke weed and shag things. There are still men alive in Vietnam who started fighting at the age of 16 and finished at 50, they are not many as most of them are dead. Often, they couldn't even choose the side, malnourished with a substantial part of the family dead, you do not see them in veteran nuthouses
6afslowo 2 months ago
@6afslowo exactly , loo at the men in Germany fighting in ww2 , in 1944 they were barely guaranteed enough cals to make in through a week and ammunition not nearly equal to that of the allies.
popper504 2 months ago
Hey, I am a Czech student studying the Gook language in Gookland. The war was fought to see whether the Capitalist or the Communist dick is bigger, nothing to do with the people of any nation. Ho Chi Minh became a Communist in 1921 (aged 31) after he was refused help from the West at the Paris Peace Conference in 1919, if you read the Vietnamese Declaration of Independence, it is full of quotations from the American one. He was first a nationalist, then a Communist but Truman turned him down
6afslowo 2 months ago 2
@6afslowo you are in Vietnam>?
popper504 2 months ago
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ankla1995 2 months ago
Politicians killed so many in Vietnam. They are killing our country still today and we still haven't done anything about them. Use your vote!
HuskerSeaofRed 2 months ago
@HuskerSeaofRed yeah but who would you vote for? lol
jpgrygus 2 months ago
@jpgrygus Excellent point, hadn't thought that far ahead. lol Is Ross Perot running? :-O
HuskerSeaofRed 2 months ago
@HuskerSeaofRed lol u think votes mean anything tell my didn't al gore become president if he had the popular vote?
fatprick44 1 month ago
what's the song during the 9th/10th minute?
Ammanly 2 months ago
@Ammanly Cazwell - Ice cream truck
zzdre 2 months ago
its a movie cmon
TheBlackopsman00 2 months ago
and its not as if they did it for communism as they fought their biggest communist partner China straight after the american conflict. so they did it for Vietnam not an ideology.
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
@Jonker1FART I'm actually OK with what the Vietminh was in the beginning, which was freedom from colonial rule.
mozo73 2 months ago
@mozo73 A system which the puppet goverment installed by america wanted to impose all over again
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
@Jonker1FART Weel is thats true then they could have supported the South vietnamese government cause Diem was as much a nationalist as ho chi minh.
jpgrygus 2 months ago
@jpgrygus Ho Chi Minh had the support end off.
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
this is one cool footage of the Vietnam war
Suppressingfire 2 months ago
@Suppressingfire , this is a clip from a film called "Dear America, letters from Vietnam" you should watch the whole film,its amazing stuff
bigchiefmingingbolok 2 months ago
I wonder if the guy at 03:38 survived the war and went to school like he hoped in this clip. I sometimes stay awake and wonder about this sort of stuff. Not to mention the young men/women in Iraq/Afghanistan...what are their hopes...and did they make it out intact?
FredDude27 2 months ago
Y they never took the fight hanoi is beyond me..
dento180 2 months ago
@dento180 i too was wondering about that.
Suppressingfire 2 months ago
about nine min and thirty mins into this video is my grandpa sum crazy stuff
dfranks69 3 months ago
I am an aussie , and i love all creeds that fought the V. N war we are united as we stood and if we about face we will fall , unite for the men women and children that died in this dirt battle. i care, love and feel for you all.
allchinpl 3 months ago
@allchinpl We will definitely not "about face", of that I can utterly assure you !
mozo73 3 months ago
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mozo73 3 months ago
=> conclusion, America owes Vietnam an apology!
ddthienvuong 3 months ago
@ddthienvuong America owes no country an apology, especially Vietnam.
Bojangles7h7 3 months ago
@Bojangles7h7 it's the other way around!
ddthienvuong 3 months ago
@ddthienvuong The only thing i'm sorry about is that we wasted good American lives and didn't drop enough bombs on that piece of shit country!
Bojangles7h7 3 months ago
@Bojangles7h7 Sorry mate your also wrong, its the other way around.
OliieTheEpic 3 months ago
@Bojangles7h7
Exactly. Why should the losers apologise for getting their asses kicked?
ReviewYourChoices75 3 months ago
@Bojangles7h7 I'm also sorry for good American lives being lost in Vietnam ; I have two close relatives who lost their lives in Vietnam (one great-uncle and one first cousin). Vietnam in NOT a piece of shit country, It is a beautiful country that deserves to live as everyone else.
mozo73 3 months ago
Who's doing the narrating at the end?I recognize the voice but can't think of his face.
33birdyboy 3 months ago
Thank you all the troops in Vietnam that helped keep our country free I thank you guys very much.
bsktbllboy12 3 months ago
I want world peace, not world war...
MorbidDirector 3 months ago
to the Americans who supported their war! you said you came to librate Vietnam from Comunism, but who you are to think that you're better than the Communists? and ofcourse you're not at all! and what do you say about the murders, destructions your country has made in Vietnam? If your brains still function, then you better know that you owe Vietnam an apology, a BIG one!
ddthienvuong 3 months ago
@ddthienvuong Learn some history. The Americans did NOT come to Vietnam to liberate it. It came to SOUTH Vietnam to protect it from North Vietnamese aggression. North Vietnam was actively and aggressively trying to take over South Vietnam. Whether we should have stayed in Vietnam for as long as we did, or played with the concept of 'Low Intensity Warfare' by tying our own hands behind our back, is another question entirely. FYI, there were quite a few countries fighting for the South...
mozo73 3 months ago
@mozo73 Communism isn't perfect, I don't refuse that, and I don't refuse that they started the war, but it was for good cause, it was for the reunification of my country, I think it was also too much to say that the Communist librated South VN from the Capitalist, but you must know that even most Southerners supported Communism too, so the war was good for most people, so the Communist fought for the good cause, didn't they?
ddthienvuong 3 months ago
@ddthienvuong Apparently you are from Hanoi from your YT channel. Hope you are not too much propagandized by the happenstance of your location. Perhaps the Vietnamese people will wake up one day to the fact that Ho Chi Min and the Communists were just as guilty of the war as any other...without CONSTANT Communist aggression against South Vietnam there would not have been a war at all. The Communists owe EVERYONE an apology, a BIG one!.... (paraphrasing you).
mozo73 3 months ago
@mozo73 America owes Vietnam a bigger apology for going to Vietnam and blowing up Local people regardless of the political reasons given by both sides vietnam has nothing to do with Americans so why do they stick their troops in? I see it as a simple expanding of an empires influence.
Jonker1FART 3 months ago
@Jonker1FART Re: "..vietnam has nothing to do with Americans so why do they stick their troops in?.." I think that I explained that the Americans came to SOUTH Vietnam to help her in her struggle against an aggressive North Vietnam Which was actively trying to take South Vietnam over. South Vietnam was a legitimate country with her own sovereignty and America had an obligation as an ally to help. Mind you, I'm not happy either with how the war progressed, only correcting the guy's history-sense.
mozo73 3 months ago
@mozo73 SOUTH Vietnam didnt officially exist the country was in civil war and like all civil wars should be left to internal solution. "South Vietnam was a legitimate country with her own sovereignty and America had an obligation as an ally to help. " South vietnam was recognised By the USA but north vietnam was recognised by China, Cambodia, India, USSR, France and a few others before the American invasion. The UN dictates that a civil war is to be without outside influence for it to settle.
Jonker1FART 3 months ago
@mozo73 Apparently you are from USA from your YT channel. Hope you are not too much propagandized by the happenstance of your location.
Jonker1FART 3 months ago
@Jonker1FART Ah, thanks, paraphrasing me keeps me humble. I agree that I am propagandized by my culture, who isn't ?. That does not give me or ddthienvuong the right to make stuff up, like saying that the U.S came to Vietnam to liberate her from the Communists....It seems to me that people are very quick to forget the country of SOUTH Vietnam (because, you know, North Vietnam did exactly what it said it would do and 'liberated' South Vietnam into non-existence).
mozo73 3 months ago
@mozo73 Vietnam should be reunified, it's good for my country, and as Communism was favoured by the majority of the people, it was unified under the Northern Communist government! And as you Yanks fought against the Communist, that means you were against the major of the Vietnamese people, and so well... I can say that their war against you was justified. Forget South Vietnam, it was actually disliked by many of it's own people too, it should go!
ddthienvuong 3 months ago
@ddthienvuong I've personally known Viet refugees who emigrated to the U.S who would disagree with you about the majority in the south favoring Communism. Yes, you are right, Vietnam should be unified, and today's Vietnam is a different story than Vietnam of 40 years ago. We thought that we were doing right, and the Communists thought that they were doing right...ultimately they were both wrong. If there needs to be an apology it should be from both or from none.
mozo73 3 months ago
@mozo73 If there're more people supporting Capitalism than Communism, how do you explain that in the South there was a Communist's anti government organization (NLF), while there're none againsting the Communist in the North? We both agreed that unification is good, but only 1 government will stay after, and it would be the more supported government! Communism was more favoured by the people, so there's nothing wrong when it takes power.t
ddthienvuong 3 months ago
@mozo73 ok, you were sonewhat right about that I should not tell the Americans to apology for what they were fighting for, they actually had good reasons like the Communist, but they were wrong to involve in the war, I mean, it was OUR war, to decide how are we gonna run OUR country! the Yanks were unwelcomed, they still came, lengthened the war, left behind tons of destructions... And have you wondered why does everyone except for the Americans to support their war in Vietnam?
ddthienvuong 3 months ago
@ddthienvuong Ah, you forget that Australia and South Korea, among several other nations, fought against the N.V.A and the "Viet Cong". When you say "...have you wondered why does everyone except for the Americans...etc.", you are forgetting history, which is the thing that I was disagreeing with you about. No offence, but the war was more complex than you seem to think. Ho Chi Min and the Communists are as responsible, perhaps MORE responsible, for the war as every one else involved. Peace.
mozo73 3 months ago
@ddthienvuong Also, I will have to respectfully disagree with you about how many people in the South really wanted Communist rule from Hanoi. To this day I hear jokes from South Viet about North Viet ; there is a quiet animosity between Viet even here in the U.S. You see, 'after the fact' it is easy to say what people "wanted", but the reality may be very different than what you or I think. Again, I mean you no offence...Peace.
mozo73 3 months ago
@mozo73 I know that you want peace as well as me, I'm a supporter of no side, just a truth seeker, perhaps you're too. So, we can't just leave this argument unsolved, in fact, let's have a talk until we can both figure out the truth, and agree with each other, until we can really have peace, until the people of USA and Vietnam can have peace from now on!... so what do you say?
ddthienvuong 3 months ago
@ddthienvuong Vietnam and the U.S are currently at peace. What kind of discussion do you have in mind ?.
mozo73 3 months ago
@mozo73 peace outside, but there're still big conflicts between our ideologies, our opinions on the war, the way our people think of it! example: I said more Vietnamese supported Communism and you said the other way...
ddthienvuong 3 months ago
@ddthienvuong Well, I can tell you that most of the Viet Americans who I have talked to over the years have been unhappy about the Communist take-over of Vietnam. I also know two older people who spent years of their lives in prison after the war, one man because he was a Sgt. in the R.S.V.A, and the other man because he was a journalist who was critical of the new regime in the 1970's and didn't know that he had better shut up or bad things would happen to him. I am not saying that...cont.
mozo73 3 months ago
@mozo73 Re: " I said more..supported Communism..etc." Let me try to give you an example from my own national history : During the Revolution of 1776-83, many Americans supported the British and many Americans were for Independence from the British; AFTER the war how many Americans supported the British ? Well, those who supported the British and did not renounce it, had their property taken, and were forced to go to England or Canada. Afterwards no one DARED to differ !...Do you understand ?
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ddthienvuong 3 months ago
@ddthienvuong...people necessarily liked the American presence or the well known corruption of Diem or other regimes of South Vietnam. What I am saying is that after years of listening to older Viet people (BTW, I worked for several years around many Viet and Chinese/Viet, most from the southern part of the country) that they would have rather put up with the corruption and oligarchy in the south than for uncle Ho to constantly invade and make their lives miserable over 'Ideology'.
mozo73 3 months ago
@mozo73 OOPS ! that last post of mine should have been addressed to you, sorry !
mozo73 3 months ago
@mozo73 by the way mozo, I know the American military personnels aren't bad themselves, they just fought for their ideology, so were the Communist soldiers. As you see, the reason that made us fight each other was only ideaology, it made mankind fight each others, good men kill each others... you are one of the very few I met that understands that, as I see you've been discussing very politely over this sensitive problem. You really deserves respects, what a pity we're not on the same side...
ddthienvuong 3 months ago
@mozo73 misrable? their properties must have been taken, well, that's a part of the ideology, everything belongs to everyone... or they have resisted or something. The ones you met were not few, I agree, but the Communist supporters are much more, and they are still happy with their life under Communist, and they are the majority! no, not really actually, the VIetnamese government today is corrupted, but they would rather be like this than having the old Southern regime and a divided Vietnam!
ddthienvuong 3 months ago
@ddthienvuong Well, Vietnam being united is the Ideal to be hoped for, and I am happy that Vietnam is no longer divided. I think that you understand that I have a great deal of respect for Vietnam and Viet culture. Some years ago, while working in a very Viet environment, I even learned to speak your language well enough to carry on simple conversation. I've forgotten most of it now, but I'll probably want to pick it up again in the future. Thanks for the conversation and I wish you well !
mozo73 2 months ago
@mozo73 you too, nice to meet you.
ddthienvuong 2 months ago
@ddthienvuong BTW, I'm not against certain very good ideas in Communist theory. What I am against is the inevitable repression by Communist regimes against all dissent and the severe restriction of personal liberties.
mozo73 3 months ago
@mozo73 ya, you're right! but one day that problem will be fixed! I'm sure!
ddthienvuong 3 months ago
@mozo73 "Ah, thanks, paraphrasing me keeps me humble. I agree that I am propagandized by my culture, who isn't ?. " North Vietnam who didnt need propoganda fueled tv and radio they just had to walk outside to see US bombers bombing the local village then watch as US troops come and burn it down while raping young girls and killing farmers. No matter how you like to spice up the reasons for USA destroying over a million and a half people.
Jonker1FART 3 months ago
@Jonker1FART I have not spiced up anything, I have twice explained my position. I have also agreed with you about how the war progressed. You on the other hand, make shit up like South Vietnam was not a country. Other nations other than the U.S fought on the side of South Vietnam and they sure as hell recognized it as a separate country. Who are you to say that only the North was legitimate ? Quit being such a damned misinformed ideologue. Now I'll get back to ddthienvuong who has some civility.
mozo73 2 months ago
@mozo73 "Other nations other than the U.S fought on the side of South Vietnam and they sure as hell recognized it as a separate country." Australia, Britain and france tend to be partners in most major conflicts. South vietnam was not a proper country....the whole region was up in the air. "Quit being such a damned misinformed ideologue. " lol yea im misinformed. When was the last time you visited Vietnam? or spoke to its people?
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mozo73 2 months ago
@Jonker1FART Hey, you're simplistic B.S is a very real indication that you are full of B.S. about your "three years" in Vietnam. On your Y.T channel there is not a single upload about your time in Vietnam. Now tell me please, WHY is that so ?.
mozo73 2 months ago
@mozo73 "Hey, you're simplistic B.S is a very real indication that you are full of B.S. about your "three years" in Vietnam." How many years experience do you have in south east asia?.....how about instead of calling my points simplistic BS you actually refute them
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
@mozo73 My youtube channel is dedicated to Pat Condell a YT comedian i like........and your point is?
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
@mozo73 "On your Y.T channel there is not a single upload about your time in Vietnam" on your yt channel there is the russian throat singer guy does that mean your a troll?
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
@mozo73 Well Jonker, in all your missives until that last one you didn't once say anything about your superior knowledge of Viet sentiments for your having been there. I would have thought that you would have saved yourself the trouble and would have opened your remarks with your sojourn in S.E Asia so as to let us all know that you are an expert....but, of course, you didn't do this. Don't blame me for calling B.S when I see it.
mozo73 2 months ago
@mozo73 Refute points dont attack .....thats the way to win a debate you called me out on points i made i gave you a straight answer...stop clutching at straws. i also spent two years in Laos (humble people, nice country) and Cambodia mainly looking for a viper species: cattle horn. During these two years we spent the Monsoon season in Hanoi or Ho chi minh...depending on were we just returned from.
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
@Jonker1FART Re: "Refute points dont attack...etc." Go back to the comments and READ the responses. That your point of view continues to differ from mine is not because I didn't answer you,it is simply that you didn't like my answer and continue in having your opinion. We are all entitled to opine, we are not entitled to make things up like there wasn't an answer when there was one. Is this clear enough for you ?, or do they not teach critical reasoning in "Herpetology" college ?
mozo73 2 months ago
@mozo73 "do they not teach critical reasoning in "Herpetology" college ?" you insist on slagging off my work and profession but at least i didnt need to travel to saigon in the early 80's to learn the riddle of rice. lol ok bad joke but seriously if you READ back over your responses you would realise that your spouting propoganda that is as old as the proxy war you know so much about.
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
@mozo73 "That your point of view continues to differ from mine is not because I didn't answer you,it is simply that you didn't like my answer and continue in having your opinion." my points are just opinion? no buddy they are the opinion of peasants in vietnam. people who when i was there had two famines and still gave us food and shelter i take their "opinions" over your saigon experience any day.
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
@Jonker1FART You bring up an interesting point with "your saigon experience". You have had a "Ho Chi Min City" experience (still not buying it you understand, just for the sake of argument), i.o.w. you have not heard from people who were there BEFORE the North took over and shut everybody up.
mozo73 2 months ago
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@mozo73 "you have not heard from people who were there BEFORE the North took over and shut everybody up. " thats if i were to belive the propoganda of the US and the corrupt feckers the Vietnamese kicked out.
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
@Jonker1FART The people who were there bfore the north took back the south were US backed puppets and corrupt money grubbers exactly like asking me to ask a cuban exile what he thought of castro....I wouldnt bother because they were the corrupt and puppets that got the boot.
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
@Jonker1FART Re: "The people who were there before..were US backed puppets..etc." Alright, You have now demonstrated beyond a doubt that you really are quite clueless about the Viet refugee population here in the states and elsewhere.
mozo73 2 months ago
@mozo73 "here in the states and elsewhere." this alone tells me that anything anybody else tells you about the history your country wrote is gonna be bullshit to you. go fucking visit nam and dont just work in a viet take away then try tell me about it
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
@mozo73 "here in the states " says it all about the version of events your telling
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
@Jonker1FART Re: "...says it all about the version of events your telling" So you are saying that the Viet that I have known are all a bunch of U.S puppets and money grubbers who are just joshing me ?...Weird, because almost all of my Viet friends and aquaintances worked in kitchens and hotel house keeping slop jobs...
mozo73 2 months ago
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@mozo73 "you are saying that the Viet that I have known are all a bunch of U.S puppets and money grubbers who are just joshing me ?" didnt say that at all i mearly say that the actual people to who live in and fought against them and the US have a tottally different opinion to you and them. If you were them would you tell of how you ran from your home because you went against the views of its people?
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
@mozo73 "Weird, because almost all of my Viet friends and aquaintances worked in kitchens and hotel house keeping slop jobs..." lol what did they and you expect america will reward you but not on american soil
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
@Jonker1FART Oh, I see...the Viet cooks, waiters, bus-boys, house-keepers, were all a bunch of duped people from Saigon who were somehow connected to S.V.A ruling class. Right, I'm all corrected now.
mozo73 2 months ago
@mozo73 Lol why arent they in Vietnam then?
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
@mozo73 o they fled a tyranic government who the rest of the people supported and many cambodians fled to in hard time in cambodia. sure sure.......... I'm all corrected now an american gave me his version of history EVERYBODY THE WHOLE REASON THE VIETNAM WAR WAS FOUGHT WAS FOR FREEDOM..........problem solved now just let iraq know and together we can resolve that conflict too
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
@Jonker1FART Approaching "ad Hominem" are we ? tsk, tsk.
mozo73 2 months ago
@mozo73 you would know all about that man..... you made a fucking joke out of my profession and hundreds and thousands of people researching snakes and snake venom.
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
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@Jonker1FART Yup, because you are not who you say you are. At least prove it...and then I will apologize profusely.
mozo73 2 months ago
@Jonker1FART Who taught you Vietnam was fought for "freedom?" The US fought Vietnam because of the "Domino Theory." That was the belief that if Vietnam was allowed to become communist, all of Southeast Asia would fall to communism. In other words, Vietnam was just an extension of the Cold War between the US and Russia. Cambodia fell to communism too after Vietnam, but the "Domino Theory" was over-exaggerated and is now widely discredited.
osallent 2 months ago
@osallent I was being sarcastic....Im well aware of Nam being a proxy war
Jonker1FART 2 months ago
@Jonker1FART I'm sorry for not getting the sarcasm. I somehow missed it. Have a good day.
osallent 2 months ago
@mozo73 and not to mention if your a fresh Viet in USA you dont want to become a blip on the anti-communist american radar so you'll tell any american what they want to hear.
Jonker1FART 2 months ago