I feel sorry for the western civilization... Bush and Blair were trying to stop terrorism but the idiocy and the coward majority from the US and England used the media and every political correct jargon to attack them. That is it! Osama B. has won! Terrorists has won! You are cowards! You are shitting your pants in fear.
The worst terrorists in Britain are the British Government. They pay bonuses to local councils to reach adoption targets (CHILD TRAFFICKING). They terrorise totally innocent parents, and when i say innocent i mean parents that have been proved innocent in a court of law. Yet they still take thier children away from them. The give Social Services the power to act outside the court arena, which is taking away peoples Human Rights.
Tony is the terror threat. he's made our country a lot less safe to live in. he's OK tho, £millions of tax payers moneys STILL pays for his protection, yet he's already earned £20million from illegal wars. utter scumbag
as a resident of northern ireland i find it disgracefull that labour has been pushing all these anti terror laws when it was them you placed top ranking ira terrorists in posistions of u.k government
@funkydreddUK America's colonial adventures??? Blair has been going on about taking action in iraq since 1998, it was his idea not Bush's and he was right!!!!!
@funkydreddUK "colonial adventures",Yes my friend but destruction of sovereign country,with enormous casualty and anguish of Iraqi people without any valid reason,just based on lie of Toni Blair is not a social game,somebody must be responsible.
The reason muslim countrys have less freedom than western countrys is because of their dictators and blair can boast the first but not the latter. Also muslims can practise their faith freely anywhere in the world and we dont need democracy in order to practice our faith but we can sure do without your dictators in the middleeast.
then again, now that i have read the comments i posted in the past i see that my comments were and still are quite farfetched yet there is a sense of logic in my attempts of elucidation. Shell did have an interest in the exchange of iraqi oil against euro's since it is part Dutch. But Blair was serving other interests and the usual dividing of war booty following the privatization of oil might have played a bigger part than the currency used in transactions.
I never feel comfortable using this language because the complexicity and true content of my toughts can only be expressed in Dutch. I am not preventing anyone from posting any comments.
I have to say this is a very rare and candid piece from Mr Blair and I think it's partly due to the fact that he was about to leave office and therefore he wasn't tied down in being politically correct. His frustration here with the idiotic arguments that he's had to put up with is palpable. It's a pleasure to see him getting his trousers off about this issue.
unlimited inflation is basic theft, you create credit by devaluing the credit of another person, unless you artafficialy create international demand. it is gambling and nations all around the world will end up saving dollars, so they cann sell huge quantities all at once, causing further devaluation of the dollar. iran stopped selling oil against dollars, i wonder when shell will invest in iran? i wonder who is using wilders to make sure it will not happen.
stop this movement if you care about the divine message of freedom, equality and brotherhood or become part of the wilsonian united methodist movement. i suggest you just stop this movement by spreading the word, we are not destined for rate slavery
Fuck Blair and Bush, they killed thousands of innocent children in Afghanistan and in Iraq.And yet they still yell terror. I hope they die soon and join Hitler in hell.
THEY did not kill thousands. The insurgents did. Are you people as stupid and ill-informed as you seem? Surely not. The suicide bombers are NOT western soldiers.The Taliban in Afghanistan and Saddam in Iraq killed thousands. Read a bit more of the facts, please.
"let me check your ideology: everything is the fault of the left?"
I've been saying two things. One, the left has the best of intentions, but their economic policies frequently lead to counterproductive results. Secondly, the left's cultural relativism and Marxist determinism blinds them to evil in world affairs.
the theories of milhouse friedman destroyed the economies of all the former sovjet states. in nazi germany it was the socialistischee deutche arbeiterspartei that was against the enabling act after reichstag, the conservatives and liberals were blinded, not the other way around.
btw: it was under reagans administartion when saddam became an allie while the so called left was outraged by this strategy wich was really crappy(if you ask me) looking back.
so even in this case, it was the left that was aware while the right was sleeping, or not?
i am not muslim at all since it is not in my nature to submit or worship, some muslims did try to convert me, i say the only proper way to be muslim is being agnost, does that makes me muslim?
i do like uk law better than iranian tough so if i would immigrate it would be easy, the britisch government and iranian government have different constitutions, yet both nations base their legitimacy on democratic grounds. iran was out of the dark ages more soon than europe, the safavides empire was tolerant towards all religions, what do you know about iranian history JH?
"yet both nations base their legitimacy on democratic grounds."
You need to read the Iranian Constitution. They base their legitimacy on God, and God alone. In addition, the Iranian Constitution says their mission is universal-- to establish one universal holy government around the world, and to destroy all others.
there is parliament in iran that has the authority to make law, the clergies have the authority to control to laws by veto, they are not able to make laws themseleves. president bush has been using his presedential orders to let evanglic churches distribute welfare cheques. in iraq only evangelical charitive instituions are able to operate because the other organisations do not get any protection. you are not in the right nation to critisize other nations on their secularity.
blair and bush can be blamed for a lot, but i dont blame them for the consequences. i blame them for undermining the international law and therefore destroying the credibility of the UN.
for the incorrect evidence that was pointed out, i held them responsible since they are the statesmen that took lead in this mission , is that so strange? is it strange i dont like it when my country(also netherlands)goes to war over false pretenses?
we will see if the iraqi government is more or less capable than the foreign powers, to keep order. saddam was great in keeping order, great in fighting a theocratic islam and promoting a secular islam. The turkish people were happy saddam kept the kurds out, not the turkish army is protecting its southern border. now iraq is a terrorist nest and when before people that were trained in afghanistan were terrorizing iraq, now people trained in iraq (and pakistan), terrorize afghanistan.
in the mean time it is the iraqi population living under terror, not us, so i would say the iraqi people can blame blair for his parttaking in the invasion that ignored international law. brown will reduce english troops and hand down authority to the iraqi authority before christmas, perhaps in the line of blair. but is wellknown that brown was against the invasion itself so it could be a change of policy.
Hi dustykid8. Are you referring to the British troops drawing back to the airport at Basra? Yhey haven't actually left yet, hopefully won't for some time. But don't ask me the embarrassing question - "are they scared". I'm afraid I might have to say "yes". The politicians, that is, NOT the troops. We weren't scared when Blair was prime minister. He saw the wood through the trees.
saddams regime was secular but a dictatorship, iran is democratic but not secular.when iraq would have been democratic, there wouldnt be iraq, iran would obtain a piece of land with shiite population, and sunnites and kurds would be in war.also iraq wouldnt have been secular, as a democratic nation.democracy in iraq is chaos,
That is simply not the case. The Mullahs decide who runs and who does not. If American Christians controlled the US, and gave the public a choice choice between Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson in an election, we would call this a theocracy, not a democracy, no?
yet the the participation of voters in the iranian democracy is higher than any western nation, in percentage ofcourse. this is all out of fear? i doubt it, especially when i meet iranian tourists in amsterdam and talk about politics, or when i see documentairies of our public broadcasters. eventough the mullahs decide who runs,
it wasnt a secret that saddam had chemical bombs, france was selling them to iraq . and in the war against iran usa, france and russia supported saddam with chemical weapons.the evidence of nuclear bombs in iraq, or nuclear bombs in progress, wasnt convincing, and afterwards completely false, and the war was illegal, UN made it a legal mission afterwards,
WMDs means chemical weapons too, and we KNOW he had them. I recall the Head of the Army recently saying that he took legal advice at the start to ensure that the war was legal before putting his own head on the line. It was. The 'illegal' thing is another myth promulgated by Blair haters.
we know because we sold them, my guess is that blair tried to back saddam in the war behind the back of the public perception, in public interest. if he did not back saddam, he was wilsonian but the sincere radiance of blair is contradicting wilsonian fundamentalism.
no hard feeings, right now i am referring to my poor typing.'Perhaps i am also a victim of poor judgement when it comes to blair.
i mean resolution 1441 tricked blair into iraq, while the evidence from this resolution were produced by an in english journalistic student that didnt pass because the evidence wasn't halal, koosjer. eisenhower warned for the industrial militairy complex, not to mention other industrial lobbying and the israel lobby. powell is still pissed he was used for this scam
And is this why he led the fight against Christians in Kosovo who were ethnically cleansing Muslims? The man is the most liberally minded, the fairest and the best.
perhaps i am also victim of blair when it comes to blair,england really is a conservative nation and it takes a lot of diplomacy to change things and blair did nit achieve as much as he wished, but i feel without iraq he would have left a better england
Continued ... Blair tried until the very end. We need to stop screaming about losing our civil liberties - MINE aren't lost, are yours? Really?
Brown MUST know the problems. He is silent because he needs to win an election (in November?) The muslim vote is largely Labour. Perhaps he'll do something afterwards, but MY PRIME MINISTER, Blair, who would NOT compromise principle for popularity has been brought down by his party of pygmies and the liberal press. Shame on the rest of us.
"We need to stop screaming about losing our civil liberties"
I agree with you completely. The same thing happens in the United States. For example, people say we've lost habeas corpus. I ask the radicals on the left and right to name just *one* person who has lost habeas corpus in the US, and they are silent.
Lost habeas corpus - UK. Blair wanted the detention time raised to 90 days - it used to be 14, and is now 28. Brown said in July: 'liberty is the first and founding value of our country and security is the first duty of government.' He may look to more than 28, like Blair, but in those cases "declare a state of emergency". A bit OTT, since more than 28 days may be neeeded frequently. Welcome to Britain - the land of the Libertine, I mean Free.
If Blair should be blamed for anything, it should be for standing by while the Iranians arbitrarily seized and detained 15 Royal Navy personnel for two weeks.
You may be right here. But there was a low-key stance taken - at that time - by the British Navy, unlike the US, in order not to incite. The MOD is fairly independent from the PM (with the Navy) on these decisions. But, I must admit I wasn't happy at the time. Still, Blair, "the warmonger" was damned if he did. He would have been accused of exacerbating things with Iran - making excuses for the US to go in heavily on the Iranians. And now, even by friends, he's damned cos he didn't.
they were in iranian waters, the navy personal were treated better than tourists,blair is to blame for the english parttaking in invading iraq, the evidence that justified the invasion was partly false, and the source of the evidence was in fact an english journalistic student. perhaps the outcome of iraq will be good..... in the end..
"the navy personal were treated better than tourists,"
Kidnapping the military personnel is an insult and an act of war. Muslim fanatics do this for propaganda purposes-- they want to show their own people that the evil West values nothing, not even their honor, or their own people.
the militairy personnel was in iranian waters without iranian permission, why would iran allow spies that have no legitimacy to do so?well to me it is very clear the west doesnt value their honour, this became very clear on youtube and also the complete history is serving their ideologie, not ours. bush is offending the values he is fighting for, he is making political prisoners without a trial, i value justice, but when it comes to your president i fear the jihadists are right
lol they are in iraq JH, that shouldnt be a suprise, also in cuba, wihtout a trial, very much the case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if there are political prisoners, i am sure we are not informed. 7th may, 2004, amnesty international.
okay, you call it terrorist scum,, i say they are political prisoners, but it is a fact they are not getting a trial
well they are not getting a trial and they are fighting for political reasons, i''ve seen some intervieuws with prisoners that were released when later appeared they were wrongfully accused. okay it is good they were released, but with a trial they wouldnt have done the time they did now, and i am not very found on victims of post traumaticall stress, i say they are bitiching, but a lot of prisoners do suffer from this syndrom
Yes, they are. Hence, they are enemy combatants. They are not incarcerated because of their ideas in their heads.
Some people were falsely accused. On the other hand, after Maulavi Ghaffar was released, he became the Taliban's regional commander. After Ruslan Odizhev was released, he fought in Chechnya and was killed by Russian forces.
Of course, the leftwing media doesn't tell you about these instances!
there hardly is a left wing media in holland, the chechnya war under jeltsin was an imperial war, putin presented the war as an war against terror, after attacks in moscow, russian journalists that were not allowed to visit chechnya during the war (they got shoot by russian soldiers, did the right wing media told you this?)say these attacks are the result of a machiavellistic policy. Now chechnya is politically autonoom but rhe current chnyan president is not democratic at all
"putin presented the war as an war against terror"
That's because it is. But radical Islam can do no wrong in your eyes. Whether radical Muslims kill Russians, Israelis, Americans, or Englishmen, you think the radical Muslims are justified.
lol, it was a war for independence that perhaps used terrorist instruments, according to that russian journalist tha was showed and that convinced the west that it was an act of the kremlin, said the terrorist attacks were used as an excuse for the war, and the war was planned so putin could present himself as a tzar, since the first romanov was installed in time f war, nonsense if you ask me, but chechnya is not automatically a conflict produced by radical islam,
i like putin after he stopped selling oil against dollars but he should recognize chechnya sovereignty in terms of actions, just as america should recognize iraqi sovereignty in terms of actions.
leftwing media? the mainstream media isnt't left in any nation.
some of them weren't fighting. but it is a good thing when an american soldier dies in iraq since he is there ILLEGALLY, why the fuck are you in iraq while their parliament told you to ghet the fuck out?
Whatever grievances you have with the UK a few hundred years before both of us were born, clearly you can understand the difference between the British and the Iranians today.
the difference is very clear, iran is a theocratic massdemocracy, england is a secular massdemocracy. england alwas has been imperial,they try to stole indonesia from us several times, they forced their dominions to trade with england instead of other nations.they have been more hypocrite than the persians without a doubt in the twentieth century.
I disagree. The English have been at the vanguard of civilization for hundreds of years, and countries like India, Australia, Canada, the USA, and Israel are fortunate to be blessed with English institutions.
Even during the American Revolution, the rules of warfare were scrupulously observed by both sides. The English are a civilized people, while the Iranians -- their leadership is still in the dark ages.
the english instututions, the dominion principale worked better than the french imperialism yes, i am not sure if the glorious revolution instantly created a more democratic landscape than the current iranian political situation. the secret service in iran is an heiritage of the sjah
i am not blind for radical islam but i think radical islam is being used as a political tool for imperialistic goals, that is how i feel. radical islam is also in saoudi arabia but we hardly hear anything about that now do we?
You most definitely are. Radical Islam has imperialist goals -- they want a global Caliphate, and that's why they fight from Thailand to the Sudan to Chechnya. The jihadists state this explicitly!!!!! How can you not understand this?
how can you not understand that there are not only jihadists fighting in those places? we fight them for our own interests, there is no change america or europe will be ruled by radical islam, i know islam has also an past of imperialism, but the people in chechnya are muslims and are helped by muhadjedin i know, but that doesnt make the muslims in chechnya radical
Nope. Democratic goals are what we're working for. It is important that Muslim cities of the future look like Dubai, not Mogadishu.
The left says that since we can't change everything at once, we should change nothing at all. This is a lousy argument, almost like an affirmative action program for evil.
the current president in chechnya, friend of putin, is democratic? the left in america is not the left in holland, let me check your ideology: everything is the fault of the left? we didnt make a psoitive change in iraq now did we? after the gulf war saddam sold his oil to different clients, the current iraqi regimes allows shell and texaco to exploite oil, just convenience?
"the current president in chechnya, friend of putin, is democratic?"
Certainly not. My modest claim is that you're mistaken if you think Muslim Supremacists are fighting for democracy. What they openly say contradicts this.
"after the gulf war saddam sold his oil to different clients,"
Which is why the French, the Russians, and the Germans supported him.
"are helped by muhadjedin i know, but that doesnt make the muslims in chechnya radical"
saddam was planning to sell oil in euro's, iran is planning to do the same. muhadjedin was and is trained in pakistan, via iraq they end up in iran and bring actual terror. this happend before the gulf war and it is happening again now. what do you think will be the consequence for the dollar when oil is sold in euro's? do you think george is willing to risk a nuclear holocaust to artafficially extend the pax americana?
why did your nation used the brettonwoodssystem to export inflation to europe?
the american open door policy is a democratic goal? thed left isn't saying we should not do anything at all. clinton wanted to invade afghanistan but cia refused to verify that osama(who has a wonderful house in sudan)was protected by taliban, personally i would not call clinton left but i know you would.
"the militairy personnel was in iranian waters without iranian permission"
This also is not the case. Not that I would care-- Iran is currently arming the people that are killing liberal democrats Iraq, and deserves no respect from the international community. However, The British *were* in international waters, and had the support of the EU on this, which is very leftwing. Iran clearly did this for propaganda purposes as described earlier.
how do you know this is not the case? you believe the english over the iranian? the EU is not left wing in dutch eyes, especially not when you see what they are pulling in africa, but does it matter if it is left or right wing?it is a fake democracy, as long as there are western troops in iraq, i am not calling iraq democratic
Absolutely. I have great admiration for the United Kingdom, a civilized people. The Iranian barbarians exterminate gays and support terror organizations like the Party of God and Islamic Jihad.
"i am not calling iraq democratic"
By that criterion, Germany is not democratic because Americans, Canadians, Dutch etc. are at Ramstein Air Force Base.
when the american troops leave germany, will the german sovereignity collapse? when you leave iraw and the iraqi sovereignity will not collapse, the democrats are right and the troops should go home. i domnt admire the UK, i see them as the fucks that destroyed the republic of the seven united nations, the first secular republic in the world
Kidnapping the military personnel is an insult and an act of war. Muslim fanatics do this for propaganda purposes-- they want to show their own people that the evil West values nothing, not even their honor, or their own people.
so you do understand it but you think only muslims do it?
well you do not have any sense of honour, you are a shameful being. i value liberty equality and brotherhood, you support people that fight wars for money, fuck you, what kind of person are you? you are not ignorant, you know they are fighting wars for money, you read my thesis didn't you?
If Blair should be blamed for anything, it should be for standing by while the Iranians arbitrarily seized and detained 15 Royal Navy personnel for two weeks.
perhaps lebanon was a test to see if it would be percepted as justified, the fundament of all propagandic causes, what do you think Jason? btw: did you block me? perhaps blair made sure we would not go into iran?
you desire moral leadership. be a man and debate in a strictly rational sense, win or lose, ready? when you do not debate, you will never be part of any synthesis, you will just be a ding an sich, simple objective truth controled by external impuls alone, is there a prototype of JHBowden? i think there is but you hitherto failed to find it since you are holding on to the notion of your past, ignoring present and most defenitely future, it doesn't suit you, now does it?
It has been a while since i have posted these comments and i am not in the mood to read them. I still strongly dislike the man personally and his policies regarding 'terror' and foreign relations and if i would research other policies of his conduct, i am quite sure i would dislike the man even more. I am even more sure that my previous comments made that very clear regardless my terminology.
richard nixon didn't had habeas corpus when he became president Jhbowden, he was defined as an enemy of the state by the bureaucracies of the national security act, the only ontological aspect of these bureaucracies is hidden, the secret notion, the secret fashion, their functioning is secret a priori,the perfect axioma for holistic speculation, the essence of philosophy, that is when you are a philosopher and you do not deserve the title since you do not desire wisdom,
Tony Blair is a GREAT man. And we have been fools to let his party get away with his removal. He is head and shoulders above ALL western leaders in his understanding of what is going on. Brown is now silent on the problems of growing fundamentalism & terrorism. Why?
To bendingnote. Can I just explain something? That "fool" message I sent wasn't for you, but for FightForYourFreedom. Some of us don't know we're born.
i am a 'happy smiling fool',why i am a fool exactly? blair is a sick narcistic fellow if you ask me. blair is assimilated english snake, a real english politician.when a politician talks about war most of the time, he is an minderwaardigheidscomplex and wants to show balls,if a politician talks about school most of the time, i would say he cares more about the public than his balls, excuse me for making it a national thing, tought you could handle it
Brown thinks education is more important than terrorism blairsupporter, that is why he talks more about his plans for the british school system than terrorism. he is handling this problems more quietly, he is not showing of to the press how much balls he has, he is more interesting in showing his heart, he is scottish, not english
And Blair DIDN'T "show his heart"? I thought that was exactly why some disliked him. Blair made ALL the changes to education that Brown is now taking up. Btw, why are you bringing up your personal nationality hangups? I TOO am Scottish - and British. But not in GB/PM's camp. And Blair was born in Edinburgh.
TONY Blair is a thief, he is after ripping Gaza develers of their $4B off shore contract.
he had staged June 29th and 30th 2007 botched bombing of London and Glasgow. As he mentioned muslims are under worst surveillance, Indian guy Kafeel was chased and attacked with cocktail bombs and poor guy was beaten and dragged with injured / naked body on floor.
There can't be any cruelty beyond what we saw on TV.
Since Kafeel died while still in police custody,inquest will be necessary.
What a bundle of lies and false presentation tony-B has made. until 1947 India was running Kitchen expenses. Taleban in Afghanistan was the problem of Afghans, which could have been done better by Afghans at their own pace and time.Tony Lied about WMD in 45 minutes flight from Iraq.TONY in Hipocrat if he is suggesting different legisletive rules for Muslims in UK.
UK is the worst of a racist country in developed countries.
Suggesting deporting people by blaming of affiliation of terrorism, BRITS are the only country who will take it crime to have seen web sites or down loaded any stuff. Having a nuclear energy or physics book in back pack of an student is enough to charge a person for terror crime and incarcerate for minimum 3 years.
See how brainwashed the Journalist is. He wants to tell Blair he is too harsh! Blair had ten years to make sure the biased Media did report the facts properly, to remove the Human Rights Act which he himself instated, and to propose proper respectable methods with regard to dependancy immigration into this country. The truth is he did not intern adequate border control and standards to immigration are empty.
The kids at the Bush Administration were sucked into a war in Iraq the same way the retarded Clinton Administration was sucked into the Kosovo-Croatia-Bosnia-Herzegovina-Serbia-Montenegro war by Muslims. While Christian Serbs were trying to keep the former Yugoslavia country intact and united, Kosovo Muslims began to put pressure unto Milosevic to grant them their independence. Muslims began to use suicide bombings and killings and were backed up by other Muslims from Bosnia, Croatia and Serbia.
Then the retarded Clinton Administration accused Christian Serbs of trying to wipe out all Muslims from the region and then USA voted in favor of UN and EU resolutions to attack Milosevic's government and army when all he was doing was trying to keep a country from falling apart. Clinton-UN-EU put an arms embargo unto Milosevic's government and to top that, they began to bomb from air all Serbs' government office buildings, people's houses and even churches.
USA along with UN, EU and Muslims destroyed more than 110 Serbian churches, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people and helped Muslims create an autonomous region in Kosovo. Today USA realizes the BIG mistake and authorities have discovered that the UK 7/7 bombings, the Madrid bombings and the terrorist attempt to kill American soldiers at Fort Dix were all planned, trained and financed in KOSOVO by MUSLIMS, the same people CLINTON defended years ago.
Kosovo is now a terrorist breeding ground and the place that distributes drugs to all of Europe. NOW WE KNOW MILOSEVIC WAS RIGHT AND INSTEAD OF HELPING HIM AND CHRISTIAN SERBS, WE BETRAYED THEM. USA FUCKS THINGS UP AGAIN IN IRAQ CREATING YET ANOTHER MONSTER. IT SEEMS AS IF USA-UN-EU's GOALS ARE TO CREATE MANY TERRORIST MUSLIM COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD.
Bill Clinton needed a distraction to cover his misdeeds in the white house.. It is shameful what we did to the Serbs.. your harsh criticism of US blunders is truly justified..
Bring back Tony Blair. He was the only sane, courageous leader in Europe, unlike Chirac/the criminal(oil for food) who KNOWS eactly what the UK faces and now this new PM won't even use the word MUSLIM when it comes to these radiacl freaks!
Liberal PC Correctness. Equal to medivel medicine believeing that leeches would suck out evil from the bloodstream. Equally ignorant and immensly detrimental.
He wasn't perfect, he wasn't always right, but he saw the threat clearly and he took action regardless of what the "conventional wisdom" told him to do.
How downgraded this one time golden era colonial power has gone in idelogy and interms personal freedom of muslims in UK. Untill 1947 Britian was ripping jewls from Taj Mahal in India and stole the crown for Queen she wears proudly. Muslims are the open hearted and forgiving people. What on earth gives vision to this tell wiggler to say he is affording Muslims in UK. Its beyond his capacity to point fingers to muslims.
i agree with what tony said about there being far more freedoms in england than Muslim countries. if those Muslim extremists think Britain is "oppressing" them then they should go back to their countries of origin and live under tyrannical leaders. then they will understand the meaning of oppression.
if i was PM i would send out an ultimatum asking them to leave or abide my the host countries laws. simple, not rocket science!
nah, most muslim countries are free. The western idea is that all the eastern countries are opressive etc. Yes they have capital punishment, but its good. If you murder someone, you deserve to die. If you rape someone u deserve to die etc. Ive been to a few muslim countries, U.A.E and Malaysia and their all fine.
The Koran allows polygamy (for men), and prescribes severe penalties for female adulterers and rape victims (though not necessarily for rapists), and that (in the fundamentalist reading, anyway) demands that homosexuals be put to death. Nice, eh?
yep great, if you are a homofobe, sounds much like torah and all the versions of the bible. rape is only allowed inside marriage, cause sex before marriage not allowed, not for men or femal4e. i would say what is in quran is history, the moderate muslims are the future, lets concentrate on them. perhaps i am wrong about blair, but i still feelc invading iraq was a token if poor judgement, or trying to proof balls.
you are right about blair, he is a british nationalist, i was wrong about brown. british presence in iraq is the only way to let shell sell oil in euro's or pounds instead of dollars.
Blair is right -- you have to call a spade a spade -- Islam is a brutal, oppressive, dangerous ideology and must be stopped. It's not just their methods, it's their ideology that is the problem.
I got what he said. Islamic extremists are only called that because they actually adhere to the tenets of their faith, rather than watering it down. He said it's not their methods, it's what they believe. Well, what they believe is Islam, plain and simple.
The koran never says anything about killing infidels or veiling women, islam is a peaceful religion like christianity and like christianity it is often misinterpreted. Islamic extrimists and terorists beleive that infidels deserve to die and that's the unacceptable (and profoundly unislamic) belief blair was reffering to.
This being said I think people are too worried about being politically correct with religion, people should be allowed to criticise religion as they please and it irritates me that when a point of view is related to religion it is somehow wrong to critisize it. I think religion is ridiculous in the first place, but that's my opinion and as long as people don't break any laws they should be allowed to be religious if they want to.
What are the odds 8 random non-Islamic people would meet at a hospital and decide to kill as many innocent people as possible? The threat is radical Islam and short of deporting all Muslims (because how can you tell who is a sane Muslim and who is not) I don't know what else can be done to alleviate the danger. Just live with it and get blown up I guess. Radical Islam is only getting stronger in the UK.
Sorry, but that's bullshit. A religion is only peaceful if its adherents want it to be. There is plenty in the Koran that radicals can find to justify their bloodlust. There is also plenty that sane folks can justify peace. The Bible was used to justify slavery back in the day. We need to have an honest debate about religion- Muslims are not having this debate.
asdffd -- you're right on the money. There is more outrage in the Muslim community over the publishing of a cartoon than over the murder of women for the crime of being raped. It's time we got real about what Islam is.
Your argument makes no sense. The murder of a raped women goes just as deeply in the muslim comunity, its jst not expressed as much. We live in a christian majority country, so when anything like this happends, nearly everyone gets affected regardless of their religion. but as this is a christian country (england) it seems like the muslims dnt care as they are in the minority.
There are "honour killings" carried out by brothers and fathers of Muslim women because they've lost their virginity -- these happen in Western countries too, all justified by Islam. How many Atheists are killing their daughters for getting laid?
But when something attacks muslims that are only to do with muslims, very few other people will care. SO it will only be the muslim comunity in the spotlight. DOnt belive all this propoguanda crap.
33:64 Lo! Allah hath cursed the disbelievers, and hath prepared for them a flaming fire, Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever.
The Fire
33:65 Wherein they will abide for ever. They will find (then) no protecting friend nor helper.
2:193 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.
I'm aware the verses preceding the one above urge not to be the instigator of violence, but it is pretty easy to find rather loose interpretations of what constitutes an "attack on Islam"
The worst thing you can do in Islam is kill an other person. THe 2nd is to kill yourself. THis is what these people are doing. their not muslims. When they mean fight they mean fight to get the truth out. Not to kill.
That's what all moderates say -- "they're not TRUE Muslims, they're radicals." Just because you've found an interpretation of the Koran that is in your view peaceful, it doesn't change the fact that Islam is a dangerous ideology that needs to be stopped. Look at countries that are Islamic theocracies and compare them with democracies.
I agree, there are also similar verses in the Bible -- precisely why THAT text shouldn't be used as a moral guide either! Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-Islam and pro-Christian, I think they're BOTH retarded.
yes Islam is peacefull. It may say that in the Quran, nd may not seem peacefull. But it is the truth. The thing is, this is gods job to carry out, not ours. Thats is what these people who call themselves "muslims" are wrong. They have no right to do this. God will judge you all when the day of judgement comes. Islam may say that one day non-belivers will suffer etc, but god only looks at people individualy, not as a group. And it is no ones buisness to do Gods job, as they can not do it.
I would agree with that. But for the extremists they do not see themselves as Muslim extremists- they simply see themselves as Muslims- and they find the justification and impetus for their horrific crimes in the Koran. Radical Islam is here to stay, it's only growing- what will England do about it?
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Who cares... its Britain. Let them handle their own issues. If terrorists take over the crown, oh well. Maybe then the taxes will lower there lol. Call me when the bad guys cross the atlantic.
Well said, wenmidd to ajaxrobinson. These people - I just wonder which organizations they belong to. If it's just "Retards Anonymous", then their spouted rubbish is understandable. But, I just wonder ... I REALLY do.
Blair was ... is ... the best. The sharpest pencil in the box. Temperament to suit the task of peace making and peace keeping.
The whole interview was ridiculous, as Tony said. Britain is going to lose one of its best protectors with his departure. Let's hope he keeps fighting the NazIslamists.
Blair handled that interview beautifully. Putting the decision to invade Iraq aside, which I abhor, my hat goes off to Tony Blair for his ability to bluntly articulate what every reasonably minded person wants to say. I wish President Bush was that courageous and eloquent.
One of the best Prime Ministers in British history, no doubt. He's particularly eloquent in this video. He's still very young, I hope he contributes more to international politics in other positions.
I feel sorry for the western civilization... Bush and Blair were trying to stop terrorism but the idiocy and the coward majority from the US and England used the media and every political correct jargon to attack them. That is it! Osama B. has won! Terrorists has won! You are cowards! You are shitting your pants in fear.
PowerMadHeadBanger 1 year ago
The worst terrorists in Britain are the British Government. They pay bonuses to local councils to reach adoption targets (CHILD TRAFFICKING). They terrorise totally innocent parents, and when i say innocent i mean parents that have been proved innocent in a court of law. Yet they still take thier children away from them. The give Social Services the power to act outside the court arena, which is taking away peoples Human Rights.
paulelsey 1 year ago
Tony is the terror threat. he's made our country a lot less safe to live in. he's OK tho, £millions of tax payers moneys STILL pays for his protection, yet he's already earned £20million from illegal wars. utter scumbag
mrgrinch58 1 year ago
Bad man
alaomr 1 year ago
as a resident of northern ireland i find it disgracefull that labour has been pushing all these anti terror laws when it was them you placed top ranking ira terrorists in posistions of u.k government
looknfortruth 1 year ago
Any UK threat was down to him. You terrorise people in another country the shit will come back to you.
We didn't need to join America's colonial adventures. He wanted to.
funkydreddUK 2 years ago 2
@funkydreddUK America's colonial adventures??? Blair has been going on about taking action in iraq since 1998, it was his idea not Bush's and he was right!!!!!
maherd8 2 years ago
@funkydreddUK "colonial adventures",Yes my friend but destruction of sovereign country,with enormous casualty and anguish of Iraqi people without any valid reason,just based on lie of Toni Blair is not a social game,somebody must be responsible.
nedeljko18 2 years ago
The reason muslim countrys have less freedom than western countrys is because of their dictators and blair can boast the first but not the latter. Also muslims can practise their faith freely anywhere in the world and we dont need democracy in order to practice our faith but we can sure do without your dictators in the middleeast.
mafiamob2005 2 years ago
best pri in histrory
Slipsters 2 years ago
God Bless Tony Blair
JohnMichaels20 2 years ago
then again, now that i have read the comments i posted in the past i see that my comments were and still are quite farfetched yet there is a sense of logic in my attempts of elucidation. Shell did have an interest in the exchange of iraqi oil against euro's since it is part Dutch. But Blair was serving other interests and the usual dividing of war booty following the privatization of oil might have played a bigger part than the currency used in transactions.
bendingnote 2 years ago
Boring hell, does anyone else think that Bending note should let someone else get a word in?
luke7moran7 2 years ago
I never feel comfortable using this language because the complexicity and true content of my toughts can only be expressed in Dutch. I am not preventing anyone from posting any comments.
bendingnote 2 years ago
identical drills on 9/11
identical drills on 7/7
it's the venus calender
tubegovernment 3 years ago
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Fixhist 3 years ago
For reasons of propagating fear & false propaganda against Taleban,
Mr TB-Liar might also have done some extra ordinary measures to justify his stand against moslems.
He is very straight & clear to say Moslems are radical
Fixhist 3 years ago
Moslems are terrorist, so what it should have been left to do?
Setup some innocent dudes & do what it takes to make it appear as an act of terrorism.
Mr Tony Blair might have first hand knowledge & link to two private agencies running mok terrorism exercise on London 77 or US-911.
Framing & harming two young lads on June 29/30 for botched bombing on eve of GB sworn in,could just be a card of trick in sleeve.
I hope he dies of TB, sooner the better.
Fixhist 3 years ago
bendingnote, your the biggest prat I've ever seen on youtube and there is alot of them.
heaves 3 years ago
I have to say this is a very rare and candid piece from Mr Blair and I think it's partly due to the fact that he was about to leave office and therefore he wasn't tied down in being politically correct. His frustration here with the idiotic arguments that he's had to put up with is palpable. It's a pleasure to see him getting his trousers off about this issue.
surelady 3 years ago
unlimited inflation is basic theft, you create credit by devaluing the credit of another person, unless you artafficialy create international demand. it is gambling and nations all around the world will end up saving dollars, so they cann sell huge quantities all at once, causing further devaluation of the dollar. iran stopped selling oil against dollars, i wonder when shell will invest in iran? i wonder who is using wilders to make sure it will not happen.
bendingnote 4 years ago
stop this movement if you care about the divine message of freedom, equality and brotherhood or become part of the wilsonian united methodist movement. i suggest you just stop this movement by spreading the word, we are not destined for rate slavery
bendingnote 4 years ago
Tony Blair has lost it, and so has Bush.
We were bombing and have had the army in the middle east for years, that is why they hate us.
What would we do if it was the other way round? I'd fight to the death to save my homeland from people invading.
We need to wake up to whats going on.
swanseaboy 4 years ago
Fuck Blair and Bush, they killed thousands of innocent children in Afghanistan and in Iraq.And yet they still yell terror. I hope they die soon and join Hitler in hell.
anthony858 4 years ago
Hundreds of thousands! If not millions!
swanseaboy 4 years ago
THEY did not kill thousands. The insurgents did. Are you people as stupid and ill-informed as you seem? Surely not. The suicide bombers are NOT western soldiers.The Taliban in Afghanistan and Saddam in Iraq killed thousands. Read a bit more of the facts, please.
BlairSupporter 4 years ago
"let me check your ideology: everything is the fault of the left?"
I've been saying two things. One, the left has the best of intentions, but their economic policies frequently lead to counterproductive results. Secondly, the left's cultural relativism and Marxist determinism blinds them to evil in world affairs.
JHBowden 4 years ago
the theories of milhouse friedman destroyed the economies of all the former sovjet states. in nazi germany it was the socialistischee deutche arbeiterspartei that was against the enabling act after reichstag, the conservatives and liberals were blinded, not the other way around.
bendingnote 4 years ago
btw: it was under reagans administartion when saddam became an allie while the so called left was outraged by this strategy wich was really crappy(if you ask me) looking back.
so even in this case, it was the left that was aware while the right was sleeping, or not?
bendingnote 4 years ago
another differnece between england is taht iran is a republic and england a constitutional monarchy
bendingnote 4 years ago
i am not muslim at all since it is not in my nature to submit or worship, some muslims did try to convert me, i say the only proper way to be muslim is being agnost, does that makes me muslim?
bendingnote 4 years ago
i do like uk law better than iranian tough so if i would immigrate it would be easy, the britisch government and iranian government have different constitutions, yet both nations base their legitimacy on democratic grounds. iran was out of the dark ages more soon than europe, the safavides empire was tolerant towards all religions, what do you know about iranian history JH?
bendingnote 4 years ago
"yet both nations base their legitimacy on democratic grounds."
You need to read the Iranian Constitution. They base their legitimacy on God, and God alone. In addition, the Iranian Constitution says their mission is universal-- to establish one universal holy government around the world, and to destroy all others.
JHBowden 4 years ago
there is parliament in iran that has the authority to make law, the clergies have the authority to control to laws by veto, they are not able to make laws themseleves. president bush has been using his presedential orders to let evanglic churches distribute welfare cheques. in iraq only evangelical charitive instituions are able to operate because the other organisations do not get any protection. you are not in the right nation to critisize other nations on their secularity.
bendingnote 4 years ago
seven united netherlands, truth has nothing to do with culture but with righteousness
bendingnote 4 years ago
blair and bush can be blamed for a lot, but i dont blame them for the consequences. i blame them for undermining the international law and therefore destroying the credibility of the UN.
for the incorrect evidence that was pointed out, i held them responsible since they are the statesmen that took lead in this mission , is that so strange? is it strange i dont like it when my country(also netherlands)goes to war over false pretenses?
bendingnote 4 years ago
we will see if the iraqi government is more or less capable than the foreign powers, to keep order. saddam was great in keeping order, great in fighting a theocratic islam and promoting a secular islam. The turkish people were happy saddam kept the kurds out, not the turkish army is protecting its southern border. now iraq is a terrorist nest and when before people that were trained in afghanistan were terrorizing iraq, now people trained in iraq (and pakistan), terrorize afghanistan.
bendingnote 4 years ago
in the mean time it is the iraqi population living under terror, not us, so i would say the iraqi people can blame blair for his parttaking in the invasion that ignored international law. brown will reduce english troops and hand down authority to the iraqi authority before christmas, perhaps in the line of blair. but is wellknown that brown was against the invasion itself so it could be a change of policy.
bendingnote 4 years ago
how is it that the UK got attacked by terrorists and then they left the middle-east? can someone explain?
dustykid8 4 years ago
Hi dustykid8. Are you referring to the British troops drawing back to the airport at Basra? Yhey haven't actually left yet, hopefully won't for some time. But don't ask me the embarrassing question - "are they scared". I'm afraid I might have to say "yes". The politicians, that is, NOT the troops. We weren't scared when Blair was prime minister. He saw the wood through the trees.
BlairSupporter 4 years ago
saddams regime was secular but a dictatorship, iran is democratic but not secular.when iraq would have been democratic, there wouldnt be iraq, iran would obtain a piece of land with shiite population, and sunnites and kurds would be in war.also iraq wouldnt have been secular, as a democratic nation.democracy in iraq is chaos,
bendingnote 4 years ago
"iran is democratic"
That is simply not the case. The Mullahs decide who runs and who does not. If American Christians controlled the US, and gave the public a choice choice between Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson in an election, we would call this a theocracy, not a democracy, no?
JHBowden 4 years ago
But they elected them into power
Shakemagroovethangg 4 years ago
yet the the participation of voters in the iranian democracy is higher than any western nation, in percentage ofcourse. this is all out of fear? i doubt it, especially when i meet iranian tourists in amsterdam and talk about politics, or when i see documentairies of our public broadcasters. eventough the mullahs decide who runs,
bendingnote 4 years ago
clinton and bush are both methodists, secular?
bendingnote 4 years ago
it wasnt a secret that saddam had chemical bombs, france was selling them to iraq . and in the war against iran usa, france and russia supported saddam with chemical weapons.the evidence of nuclear bombs in iraq, or nuclear bombs in progress, wasnt convincing, and afterwards completely false, and the war was illegal, UN made it a legal mission afterwards,
bendingnote 4 years ago
WMDs means chemical weapons too, and we KNOW he had them. I recall the Head of the Army recently saying that he took legal advice at the start to ensure that the war was legal before putting his own head on the line. It was. The 'illegal' thing is another myth promulgated by Blair haters.
BlairSupporter 4 years ago
we know because we sold them, my guess is that blair tried to back saddam in the war behind the back of the public perception, in public interest. if he did not back saddam, he was wilsonian but the sincere radiance of blair is contradicting wilsonian fundamentalism.
bendingnote 4 years ago
What? Blair backed Saddam?
BlairSupporter 4 years ago
if he was a british nationalist, yes! why is shell selling oil in dollars?
bendingnote 4 years ago
Sorry bendingnote - you've lost me there. I think I must be intruding upon a private conversation.
BlairSupporter 4 years ago
if i lose you, you might fall into the hands of wilsonian imperialism.
bendingnote 4 years ago
token of poor judgement
bendingnote 4 years ago
Sorry, bendingnote, I don't understand. Whose poor judgement are you referring to?
Btw, you DO realise it was the FightForYourFreedom guy I called a 'fool'. YOUR thoughts, I respect, even if I don't completely agree.
BlairSupporter 4 years ago
no hard feeings, right now i am referring to my poor typing.'Perhaps i am also a victim of poor judgement when it comes to blair.
i mean resolution 1441 tricked blair into iraq, while the evidence from this resolution were produced by an in english journalistic student that didnt pass because the evidence wasn't halal, koosjer. eisenhower warned for the industrial militairy complex, not to mention other industrial lobbying and the israel lobby. powell is still pissed he was used for this scam
bendingnote 4 years ago
was produced by an journalistic english student
bendingnote 4 years ago
the past was a token of my poor judgement, the future could be a token of my valid judgement concerning wilsonian imperialism.
bendingnote 4 years ago
And is this why he led the fight against Christians in Kosovo who were ethnically cleansing Muslims? The man is the most liberally minded, the fairest and the best.
BlairSupporter 4 years ago
perhaps i am also victim of blair when it comes to blair,england really is a conservative nation and it takes a lot of diplomacy to change things and blair did nit achieve as much as he wished, but i feel without iraq he would have left a better england
bendingnote 4 years ago
Continued ... Blair tried until the very end. We need to stop screaming about losing our civil liberties - MINE aren't lost, are yours? Really?
Brown MUST know the problems. He is silent because he needs to win an election (in November?) The muslim vote is largely Labour. Perhaps he'll do something afterwards, but MY PRIME MINISTER, Blair, who would NOT compromise principle for popularity has been brought down by his party of pygmies and the liberal press. Shame on the rest of us.
BlairSupporter 4 years ago
"We need to stop screaming about losing our civil liberties"
I agree with you completely. The same thing happens in the United States. For example, people say we've lost habeas corpus. I ask the radicals on the left and right to name just *one* person who has lost habeas corpus in the US, and they are silent.
JHBowden 4 years ago
Lost habeas corpus - UK. Blair wanted the detention time raised to 90 days - it used to be 14, and is now 28. Brown said in July: 'liberty is the first and founding value of our country and security is the first duty of government.' He may look to more than 28, like Blair, but in those cases "declare a state of emergency". A bit OTT, since more than 28 days may be neeeded frequently. Welcome to Britain - the land of the Libertine, I mean Free.
BlairSupporter 4 years ago
Blair Supporter--
If Blair should be blamed for anything, it should be for standing by while the Iranians arbitrarily seized and detained 15 Royal Navy personnel for two weeks.
JHBowden 4 years ago
You may be right here. But there was a low-key stance taken - at that time - by the British Navy, unlike the US, in order not to incite. The MOD is fairly independent from the PM (with the Navy) on these decisions. But, I must admit I wasn't happy at the time. Still, Blair, "the warmonger" was damned if he did. He would have been accused of exacerbating things with Iran - making excuses for the US to go in heavily on the Iranians. And now, even by friends, he's damned cos he didn't.
BlairSupporter 4 years ago
they were in iranian waters, the navy personal were treated better than tourists,blair is to blame for the english parttaking in invading iraq, the evidence that justified the invasion was partly false, and the source of the evidence was in fact an english journalistic student. perhaps the outcome of iraq will be good..... in the end..
bendingnote 4 years ago
"the navy personal were treated better than tourists,"
Kidnapping the military personnel is an insult and an act of war. Muslim fanatics do this for propaganda purposes-- they want to show their own people that the evil West values nothing, not even their honor, or their own people.
And it appears the jihadists are correct.
JHBowden 4 years ago
the militairy personnel was in iranian waters without iranian permission, why would iran allow spies that have no legitimacy to do so?well to me it is very clear the west doesnt value their honour, this became very clear on youtube and also the complete history is serving their ideologie, not ours. bush is offending the values he is fighting for, he is making political prisoners without a trial, i value justice, but when it comes to your president i fear the jihadists are right
bendingnote 4 years ago
"bush is offending the values he is fighting for, he is making political prisoners without a trial"
This is not the case. There are no political prisoners in the United States. None. I challenge you to name a single person!
JHBowden 4 years ago
lol they are in iraq JH, that shouldnt be a suprise, also in cuba, wihtout a trial, very much the case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if there are political prisoners, i am sure we are not informed. 7th may, 2004, amnesty international.
okay, you call it terrorist scum,, i say they are political prisoners, but it is a fact they are not getting a trial
bendingnote 4 years ago
The *enemy combatants* incarcerated in Cuba are not there for their political views.
JHBowden 4 years ago
well they are not getting a trial and they are fighting for political reasons, i''ve seen some intervieuws with prisoners that were released when later appeared they were wrongfully accused. okay it is good they were released, but with a trial they wouldnt have done the time they did now, and i am not very found on victims of post traumaticall stress, i say they are bitiching, but a lot of prisoners do suffer from this syndrom
bendingnote 4 years ago
"and they are fighting"
Yes, they are. Hence, they are enemy combatants. They are not incarcerated because of their ideas in their heads.
Some people were falsely accused. On the other hand, after Maulavi Ghaffar was released, he became the Taliban's regional commander. After Ruslan Odizhev was released, he fought in Chechnya and was killed by Russian forces.
Of course, the leftwing media doesn't tell you about these instances!
JHBowden 4 years ago
there hardly is a left wing media in holland, the chechnya war under jeltsin was an imperial war, putin presented the war as an war against terror, after attacks in moscow, russian journalists that were not allowed to visit chechnya during the war (they got shoot by russian soldiers, did the right wing media told you this?)say these attacks are the result of a machiavellistic policy. Now chechnya is politically autonoom but rhe current chnyan president is not democratic at all
bendingnote 4 years ago
"putin presented the war as an war against terror"
That's because it is. But radical Islam can do no wrong in your eyes. Whether radical Muslims kill Russians, Israelis, Americans, or Englishmen, you think the radical Muslims are justified.
Are you Muslim by chance?
JHBowden 4 years ago
lol, it was a war for independence that perhaps used terrorist instruments, according to that russian journalist tha was showed and that convinced the west that it was an act of the kremlin, said the terrorist attacks were used as an excuse for the war, and the war was planned so putin could present himself as a tzar, since the first romanov was installed in time f war, nonsense if you ask me, but chechnya is not automatically a conflict produced by radical islam,
bendingnote 4 years ago
i like putin after he stopped selling oil against dollars but he should recognize chechnya sovereignty in terms of actions, just as america should recognize iraqi sovereignty in terms of actions.
bendingnote 4 years ago
i do not know if i am muslim, it is in gods hands, isn't it?
bendingnote 4 years ago
is it a crime to protect your nation when your nation is not america?
bendingnote 4 years ago
leftwing media? the mainstream media isnt't left in any nation.
some of them weren't fighting. but it is a good thing when an american soldier dies in iraq since he is there ILLEGALLY, why the fuck are you in iraq while their parliament told you to ghet the fuck out?
bendingnote 4 years ago
bendingnote--
Whatever grievances you have with the UK a few hundred years before both of us were born, clearly you can understand the difference between the British and the Iranians today.
Then again, maybe you can't!
JHBowden 4 years ago
the difference is very clear, iran is a theocratic massdemocracy, england is a secular massdemocracy. england alwas has been imperial,they try to stole indonesia from us several times, they forced their dominions to trade with england instead of other nations.they have been more hypocrite than the persians without a doubt in the twentieth century.
bendingnote 4 years ago
"england alwas has been imperial"
I disagree. The English have been at the vanguard of civilization for hundreds of years, and countries like India, Australia, Canada, the USA, and Israel are fortunate to be blessed with English institutions.
Even during the American Revolution, the rules of warfare were scrupulously observed by both sides. The English are a civilized people, while the Iranians -- their leadership is still in the dark ages.
JHBowden 4 years ago
the english instututions, the dominion principale worked better than the french imperialism yes, i am not sure if the glorious revolution instantly created a more democratic landscape than the current iranian political situation. the secret service in iran is an heiritage of the sjah
bendingnote 4 years ago
"england alwas has been imperial"
so what exactly was the white mens burden propaganda justifying?
bendingnote 4 years ago
i am not blind for radical islam but i think radical islam is being used as a political tool for imperialistic goals, that is how i feel. radical islam is also in saoudi arabia but we hardly hear anything about that now do we?
bendingnote 4 years ago
"i am not blind for radical islam"
You most definitely are. Radical Islam has imperialist goals -- they want a global Caliphate, and that's why they fight from Thailand to the Sudan to Chechnya. The jihadists state this explicitly!!!!! How can you not understand this?
JHBowden 4 years ago
how can you not understand that there are not only jihadists fighting in those places? we fight them for our own interests, there is no change america or europe will be ruled by radical islam, i know islam has also an past of imperialism, but the people in chechnya are muslims and are helped by muhadjedin i know, but that doesnt make the muslims in chechnya radical
bendingnote 4 years ago
in bosnia also the muhadjedin fought the serbs, is bosnia a radical islamic country or did the christian serbs had an ethnic policy?
bendingnote 4 years ago
i am not blind for radical islam, you are blinded by radical islam.
bendingnote 4 years ago
you are blinded by radical islam it seems, blinded by some type of unjustified fear.
bendingnote 4 years ago
"as a political tool for imperialistic goals"
Nope. Democratic goals are what we're working for. It is important that Muslim cities of the future look like Dubai, not Mogadishu.
The left says that since we can't change everything at once, we should change nothing at all. This is a lousy argument, almost like an affirmative action program for evil.
JHBowden 4 years ago
the current president in chechnya, friend of putin, is democratic? the left in america is not the left in holland, let me check your ideology: everything is the fault of the left? we didnt make a psoitive change in iraq now did we? after the gulf war saddam sold his oil to different clients, the current iraqi regimes allows shell and texaco to exploite oil, just convenience?
bendingnote 4 years ago
"the current president in chechnya, friend of putin, is democratic?"
Certainly not. My modest claim is that you're mistaken if you think Muslim Supremacists are fighting for democracy. What they openly say contradicts this.
"after the gulf war saddam sold his oil to different clients,"
Which is why the French, the Russians, and the Germans supported him.
"are helped by muhadjedin i know, but that doesnt make the muslims in chechnya radical"
Don't be naive!
JHBowden 4 years ago
saddam was planning to sell oil in euro's, iran is planning to do the same. muhadjedin was and is trained in pakistan, via iraq they end up in iran and bring actual terror. this happend before the gulf war and it is happening again now. what do you think will be the consequence for the dollar when oil is sold in euro's? do you think george is willing to risk a nuclear holocaust to artafficially extend the pax americana?
bendingnote 4 years ago
why did your nation used the brettonwoodssystem to export inflation to europe?
the american open door policy is a democratic goal? thed left isn't saying we should not do anything at all. clinton wanted to invade afghanistan but cia refused to verify that osama(who has a wonderful house in sudan)was protected by taliban, personally i would not call clinton left but i know you would.
bendingnote 4 years ago
"the militairy personnel was in iranian waters without iranian permission"
This also is not the case. Not that I would care-- Iran is currently arming the people that are killing liberal democrats Iraq, and deserves no respect from the international community. However, The British *were* in international waters, and had the support of the EU on this, which is very leftwing. Iran clearly did this for propaganda purposes as described earlier.
JHBowden 4 years ago
how do you know this is not the case? you believe the english over the iranian? the EU is not left wing in dutch eyes, especially not when you see what they are pulling in africa, but does it matter if it is left or right wing?it is a fake democracy, as long as there are western troops in iraq, i am not calling iraq democratic
bendingnote 4 years ago
"you believe the english over the iranian?"
Absolutely. I have great admiration for the United Kingdom, a civilized people. The Iranian barbarians exterminate gays and support terror organizations like the Party of God and Islamic Jihad.
"i am not calling iraq democratic"
By that criterion, Germany is not democratic because Americans, Canadians, Dutch etc. are at Ramstein Air Force Base.
JHBowden 4 years ago
when the american troops leave germany, will the german sovereignity collapse? when you leave iraw and the iraqi sovereignity will not collapse, the democrats are right and the troops should go home. i domnt admire the UK, i see them as the fucks that destroyed the republic of the seven united nations, the first secular republic in the world
bendingnote 4 years ago
Kidnapping the military personnel is an insult and an act of war. Muslim fanatics do this for propaganda purposes-- they want to show their own people that the evil West values nothing, not even their honor, or their own people.
so you do understand it but you think only muslims do it?
bendingnote 4 years ago
And it appears the jihadists are correct.
well you do not have any sense of honour, you are a shameful being. i value liberty equality and brotherhood, you support people that fight wars for money, fuck you, what kind of person are you? you are not ignorant, you know they are fighting wars for money, you read my thesis didn't you?
bendingnote 4 years ago
Blair Supporter--
If Blair should be blamed for anything, it should be for standing by while the Iranians arbitrarily seized and detained 15 Royal Navy personnel for two weeks.
perhaps lebanon was a test to see if it would be percepted as justified, the fundament of all propagandic causes, what do you think Jason? btw: did you block me? perhaps blair made sure we would not go into iran?
bendingnote 4 years ago
i guess it is more easy to block me than to react to my thesis
bendingnote 4 years ago
you desire moral leadership. be a man and debate in a strictly rational sense, win or lose, ready? when you do not debate, you will never be part of any synthesis, you will just be a ding an sich, simple objective truth controled by external impuls alone, is there a prototype of JHBowden? i think there is but you hitherto failed to find it since you are holding on to the notion of your past, ignoring present and most defenitely future, it doesn't suit you, now does it?
bendingnote 4 years ago
I have a strong suspicion that you have just strung big words together without really knowing what they mean
luke7moran7 2 years ago
It has been a while since i have posted these comments and i am not in the mood to read them. I still strongly dislike the man personally and his policies regarding 'terror' and foreign relations and if i would research other policies of his conduct, i am quite sure i would dislike the man even more. I am even more sure that my previous comments made that very clear regardless my terminology.
bendingnote 2 years ago
richard nixon didn't had habeas corpus when he became president Jhbowden, he was defined as an enemy of the state by the bureaucracies of the national security act, the only ontological aspect of these bureaucracies is hidden, the secret notion, the secret fashion, their functioning is secret a priori,the perfect axioma for holistic speculation, the essence of philosophy, that is when you are a philosopher and you do not deserve the title since you do not desire wisdom,
bendingnote 4 years ago
Tony Blair is a GREAT man. And we have been fools to let his party get away with his removal. He is head and shoulders above ALL western leaders in his understanding of what is going on. Brown is now silent on the problems of growing fundamentalism & terrorism. Why?
BlairSupporter 4 years ago
Blair is scum and should be tried in the hague for war crimes. Blair is evil
FightForYourFreedom 4 years ago
And you are a fool.
BlairSupporter 4 years ago
To bendingnote. Can I just explain something? That "fool" message I sent wasn't for you, but for FightForYourFreedom. Some of us don't know we're born.
BlairSupporter 4 years ago
i am a 'happy smiling fool',why i am a fool exactly? blair is a sick narcistic fellow if you ask me. blair is assimilated english snake, a real english politician.when a politician talks about war most of the time, he is an minderwaardigheidscomplex and wants to show balls,if a politician talks about school most of the time, i would say he cares more about the public than his balls, excuse me for making it a national thing, tought you could handle it
bendingnote 4 years ago
Takes one to know one, blair arse crawler
FightForYourFreedom 4 years ago
Brown thinks education is more important than terrorism blairsupporter, that is why he talks more about his plans for the british school system than terrorism. he is handling this problems more quietly, he is not showing of to the press how much balls he has, he is more interesting in showing his heart, he is scottish, not english
bendingnote 4 years ago
And Blair DIDN'T "show his heart"? I thought that was exactly why some disliked him. Blair made ALL the changes to education that Brown is now taking up. Btw, why are you bringing up your personal nationality hangups? I TOO am Scottish - and British. But not in GB/PM's camp. And Blair was born in Edinburgh.
BlairSupporter 4 years ago
he has an minderwaardigheidscomplex, i suspect.
bendingnote 4 years ago
TONY Blair is a thief, he is after ripping Gaza develers of their $4B off shore contract.
he had staged June 29th and 30th 2007 botched bombing of London and Glasgow. As he mentioned muslims are under worst surveillance, Indian guy Kafeel was chased and attacked with cocktail bombs and poor guy was beaten and dragged with injured / naked body on floor.
There can't be any cruelty beyond what we saw on TV.
Since Kafeel died while still in police custody,inquest will be necessary.
Fixhist 4 years ago
What a bundle of lies and false presentation tony-B has made. until 1947 India was running Kitchen expenses. Taleban in Afghanistan was the problem of Afghans, which could have been done better by Afghans at their own pace and time.Tony Lied about WMD in 45 minutes flight from Iraq.TONY in Hipocrat if he is suggesting different legisletive rules for Muslims in UK.
Fixhist 4 years ago
UK is the worst of a racist country in developed countries.
Suggesting deporting people by blaming of affiliation of terrorism, BRITS are the only country who will take it crime to have seen web sites or down loaded any stuff. Having a nuclear energy or physics book in back pack of an student is enough to charge a person for terror crime and incarcerate for minimum 3 years.
Fixhist 4 years ago
See how brainwashed the Journalist is. He wants to tell Blair he is too harsh! Blair had ten years to make sure the biased Media did report the facts properly, to remove the Human Rights Act which he himself instated, and to propose proper respectable methods with regard to dependancy immigration into this country. The truth is he did not intern adequate border control and standards to immigration are empty.
countesscristo 4 years ago
The kids at the Bush Administration were sucked into a war in Iraq the same way the retarded Clinton Administration was sucked into the Kosovo-Croatia-Bosnia-Herzegovina-Serbia-Montenegro war by Muslims. While Christian Serbs were trying to keep the former Yugoslavia country intact and united, Kosovo Muslims began to put pressure unto Milosevic to grant them their independence. Muslims began to use suicide bombings and killings and were backed up by other Muslims from Bosnia, Croatia and Serbia.
MoooHamMad 4 years ago
Then the retarded Clinton Administration accused Christian Serbs of trying to wipe out all Muslims from the region and then USA voted in favor of UN and EU resolutions to attack Milosevic's government and army when all he was doing was trying to keep a country from falling apart. Clinton-UN-EU put an arms embargo unto Milosevic's government and to top that, they began to bomb from air all Serbs' government office buildings, people's houses and even churches.
MoooHamMad 4 years ago
USA along with UN, EU and Muslims destroyed more than 110 Serbian churches, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people and helped Muslims create an autonomous region in Kosovo. Today USA realizes the BIG mistake and authorities have discovered that the UK 7/7 bombings, the Madrid bombings and the terrorist attempt to kill American soldiers at Fort Dix were all planned, trained and financed in KOSOVO by MUSLIMS, the same people CLINTON defended years ago.
MoooHamMad 4 years ago
Kosovo is now a terrorist breeding ground and the place that distributes drugs to all of Europe. NOW WE KNOW MILOSEVIC WAS RIGHT AND INSTEAD OF HELPING HIM AND CHRISTIAN SERBS, WE BETRAYED THEM. USA FUCKS THINGS UP AGAIN IN IRAQ CREATING YET ANOTHER MONSTER. IT SEEMS AS IF USA-UN-EU's GOALS ARE TO CREATE MANY TERRORIST MUSLIM COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD.
MoooHamMad 4 years ago
Bill Clinton needed a distraction to cover his misdeeds in the white house.. It is shameful what we did to the Serbs.. your harsh criticism of US blunders is truly justified..
Muzaloth 4 years ago
Bring back Tony Blair. He was the only sane, courageous leader in Europe, unlike Chirac/the criminal(oil for food) who KNOWS eactly what the UK faces and now this new PM won't even use the word MUSLIM when it comes to these radiacl freaks!
spookynshadow 4 years ago
Liberal PC Correctness. Equal to medivel medicine believeing that leeches would suck out evil from the bloodstream. Equally ignorant and immensly detrimental.
CaptainCody68 4 years ago
I miss Tony Blair already.
He wasn't perfect, he wasn't always right, but he saw the threat clearly and he took action regardless of what the "conventional wisdom" told him to do.
GregariousMisnthrope 4 years ago
How downgraded this one time golden era colonial power has gone in idelogy and interms personal freedom of muslims in UK. Untill 1947 Britian was ripping jewls from Taj Mahal in India and stole the crown for Queen she wears proudly. Muslims are the open hearted and forgiving people. What on earth gives vision to this tell wiggler to say he is affording Muslims in UK. Its beyond his capacity to point fingers to muslims.
Fixhist 4 years ago
where did you get this from?
DAVCOUGAR 4 years ago
i agree with what tony said about there being far more freedoms in england than Muslim countries. if those Muslim extremists think Britain is "oppressing" them then they should go back to their countries of origin and live under tyrannical leaders. then they will understand the meaning of oppression.
if i was PM i would send out an ultimatum asking them to leave or abide my the host countries laws. simple, not rocket science!
BigEdd34 4 years ago
nah, most muslim countries are free. The western idea is that all the eastern countries are opressive etc. Yes they have capital punishment, but its good. If you murder someone, you deserve to die. If you rape someone u deserve to die etc. Ive been to a few muslim countries, U.A.E and Malaysia and their all fine.
Shakemagroovethangg 4 years ago
The Koran allows polygamy (for men), and prescribes severe penalties for female adulterers and rape victims (though not necessarily for rapists), and that (in the fundamentalist reading, anyway) demands that homosexuals be put to death. Nice, eh?
BlairSupporter 4 years ago
yep great, if you are a homofobe, sounds much like torah and all the versions of the bible. rape is only allowed inside marriage, cause sex before marriage not allowed, not for men or femal4e. i would say what is in quran is history, the moderate muslims are the future, lets concentrate on them. perhaps i am wrong about blair, but i still feelc invading iraq was a token if poor judgement, or trying to proof balls.
bendingnote 4 years ago
you are right about blair, he is a british nationalist, i was wrong about brown. british presence in iraq is the only way to let shell sell oil in euro's or pounds instead of dollars.
bendingnote 4 years ago
Blair is right -- you have to call a spade a spade -- Islam is a brutal, oppressive, dangerous ideology and must be stopped. It's not just their methods, it's their ideology that is the problem.
Cainer666 4 years ago
You didn't quite get what he said, he said it's Islamic extremism that's brutal dangerous and must be stopped. Not Islam.
jbat100 4 years ago
I got what he said. Islamic extremists are only called that because they actually adhere to the tenets of their faith, rather than watering it down. He said it's not their methods, it's what they believe. Well, what they believe is Islam, plain and simple.
Cainer666 4 years ago
The koran never says anything about killing infidels or veiling women, islam is a peaceful religion like christianity and like christianity it is often misinterpreted. Islamic extrimists and terorists beleive that infidels deserve to die and that's the unacceptable (and profoundly unislamic) belief blair was reffering to.
jbat100 4 years ago
This being said I think people are too worried about being politically correct with religion, people should be allowed to criticise religion as they please and it irritates me that when a point of view is related to religion it is somehow wrong to critisize it. I think religion is ridiculous in the first place, but that's my opinion and as long as people don't break any laws they should be allowed to be religious if they want to.
jbat100 4 years ago
What are the odds 8 random non-Islamic people would meet at a hospital and decide to kill as many innocent people as possible? The threat is radical Islam and short of deporting all Muslims (because how can you tell who is a sane Muslim and who is not) I don't know what else can be done to alleviate the danger. Just live with it and get blown up I guess. Radical Islam is only getting stronger in the UK.
asdffd 4 years ago
Sorry, but that's bullshit. A religion is only peaceful if its adherents want it to be. There is plenty in the Koran that radicals can find to justify their bloodlust. There is also plenty that sane folks can justify peace. The Bible was used to justify slavery back in the day. We need to have an honest debate about religion- Muslims are not having this debate.
asdffd 4 years ago
asdffd -- you're right on the money. There is more outrage in the Muslim community over the publishing of a cartoon than over the murder of women for the crime of being raped. It's time we got real about what Islam is.
Cainer666 4 years ago
Your argument makes no sense. The murder of a raped women goes just as deeply in the muslim comunity, its jst not expressed as much. We live in a christian majority country, so when anything like this happends, nearly everyone gets affected regardless of their religion. but as this is a christian country (england) it seems like the muslims dnt care as they are in the minority.
Shakemagroovethangg 4 years ago
There are "honour killings" carried out by brothers and fathers of Muslim women because they've lost their virginity -- these happen in Western countries too, all justified by Islam. How many Atheists are killing their daughters for getting laid?
Cainer666 4 years ago
But when something attacks muslims that are only to do with muslims, very few other people will care. SO it will only be the muslim comunity in the spotlight. DOnt belive all this propoguanda crap.
Shakemagroovethangg 4 years ago
Islam is peaceful?
33:64 Lo! Allah hath cursed the disbelievers, and hath prepared for them a flaming fire, Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever.
The Fire
33:65 Wherein they will abide for ever. They will find (then) no protecting friend nor helper.
Cainer666 4 years ago
2:193 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.
I'm aware the verses preceding the one above urge not to be the instigator of violence, but it is pretty easy to find rather loose interpretations of what constitutes an "attack on Islam"
Cainer666 4 years ago
The worst thing you can do in Islam is kill an other person. THe 2nd is to kill yourself. THis is what these people are doing. their not muslims. When they mean fight they mean fight to get the truth out. Not to kill.
Shakemagroovethangg 4 years ago
That's what all moderates say -- "they're not TRUE Muslims, they're radicals." Just because you've found an interpretation of the Koran that is in your view peaceful, it doesn't change the fact that Islam is a dangerous ideology that needs to be stopped. Look at countries that are Islamic theocracies and compare them with democracies.
Cainer666 4 years ago
How bad is it to die? Not so bad if it's in the service of Allah:
"If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-)
Belief that your views are endorsed by a supernatural deity is dangerous, period.
Cainer666 4 years ago
The problem my dear friend is that there are similar verses in the bible. t all depends of how you interpret them.
Peace out
britishruler 3 years ago
I agree, there are also similar verses in the Bible -- precisely why THAT text shouldn't be used as a moral guide either! Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-Islam and pro-Christian, I think they're BOTH retarded.
Cainer666 3 years ago
yes Islam is peacefull. It may say that in the Quran, nd may not seem peacefull. But it is the truth. The thing is, this is gods job to carry out, not ours. Thats is what these people who call themselves "muslims" are wrong. They have no right to do this. God will judge you all when the day of judgement comes. Islam may say that one day non-belivers will suffer etc, but god only looks at people individualy, not as a group. And it is no ones buisness to do Gods job, as they can not do it.
Shakemagroovethangg 4 years ago
I would agree with that. But for the extremists they do not see themselves as Muslim extremists- they simply see themselves as Muslims- and they find the justification and impetus for their horrific crimes in the Koran. Radical Islam is here to stay, it's only growing- what will England do about it?
asdffd 4 years ago
the same thing they did when the IRA threat was here
Shakemagroovethangg 4 years ago
7/7 WAS A INSIDE JOB
riverheadrider69 4 years ago
WTF?! Yeah, it was a inside job alright. A plot hatched INSIDE a mosque.
asdffd 4 years ago
We need to have more respect for Tony Blair and other leaders of the free world - they are working hard on our behalf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sparkles
SparklestheClown 4 years ago
I love blair...he will be missed...gordon is oh so dull
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SamaraScaredMe 4 years ago
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SamaraScaredMe 4 years ago
Bush's former BITCH!
USSLIBERTY1 4 years ago
Who cares... its Britain. Let them handle their own issues. If terrorists take over the crown, oh well. Maybe then the taxes will lower there lol. Call me when the bad guys cross the atlantic.
browncmp 4 years ago
What is this? The suck Blair's dick page? Get real people, he's responsible for thousands of deaths.
ajaxrobinson 4 years ago
Retard alert. You'll be responsible for far more deaths continuing to ignore the threats out there today. Fool.
wenmidd 4 years ago
Well said, wenmidd to ajaxrobinson. These people - I just wonder which organizations they belong to. If it's just "Retards Anonymous", then their spouted rubbish is understandable. But, I just wonder ... I REALLY do.
Blair was ... is ... the best. The sharpest pencil in the box. Temperament to suit the task of peace making and peace keeping.
BlairSupporter 4 years ago
Poor chap, trying to talk sense to the brainwashed, demoralized interviewer.. I admire his calm and poise , faced with such numbimg distorted POV.
pr3998 4 years ago
The whole interview was ridiculous, as Tony said. Britain is going to lose one of its best protectors with his departure. Let's hope he keeps fighting the NazIslamists.
Aelfgeft 4 years ago
johnny2v -
"Good politicians / prime ministers avert wars. sadly blair did not."
Like Neville Chamberlain (tried appeasement) was 'good' and Winston Churchill was shit?
You history illiterate, delusional moron.
sklanger 4 years ago
Blair handled that interview beautifully. Putting the decision to invade Iraq aside, which I abhor, my hat goes off to Tony Blair for his ability to bluntly articulate what every reasonably minded person wants to say. I wish President Bush was that courageous and eloquent.
bobbywave1 4 years ago
Cheers to that! I completely agree.
Dariusdagr8 4 years ago
the guy whos doing the interview is a cock sucker, tony blair just gave him a school lesson
chinsup 4 years ago
One of the best Prime Ministers in British history, no doubt. He's particularly eloquent in this video. He's still very young, I hope he contributes more to international politics in other positions.
EvilShogo 4 years ago