Agreed!!I guess we all will have to be until there is more unequivocal evidence that comes forth. Personally, I think the Vatican and Jews have all of these answers but are keeping them hidden from the true Yisraelites. Just an observation:)
Great vid. Torahrevival...i agree with you that it is impossible to keep the feasts 100% accurately in the diaspora. However, i do try to keep them in a memorial since as a "rehearsal." I use the rabbinical calander seeing that they stole our identity from our forefathers thus, probably is more accurate then the others. What do u make of this?
Hey ahk. I need to re-visit this topic at some stage. Form my research (which admitedly hasn't been extensive), it seems like there are good arguments on all sides and it also seems like it's basaically impossible to know for absolute definite which is the correct one. Kinda similar to the exact pronunciation of the Father's name.
Hey. Can you provide a reference in Torah where there is a blanket ban people are forbidden to BORROW at interest?
I am aware that we are commanded not to LEND to our BRETHREN at interest (Exo 22:25, Lev 25:35-37). But to non Israelites or to believing goyim who have not come into the Israelite community (in Hebrew: "nokri"), to these, we can lend at interest (Deut 23:19:20)...
... But again, if you know of some commandments that say we are commandment not to BORROW (not lend) at interest, then I'd be interested to see it.
On the care payment/ mortgage issue, the fact that it is basically impossible to not borrow at interest today is a sign of the curses we are under (see for example, Deut 28:43-44). The Israelites have no economic power right as fulfillment of prophecy.
u see this is the problem with pick and choose doctrines. There is always a reason or excuse why they cannot be done. having "economic power" is irrelevant to obeying the law if you are going to obey the law of GOD or of men? That is like other "Christians" I know who think they can cheat on Saturday & go say a prayer on Sunday the entire "the devil made me do it" if you are saying you can't obey ALL the Mitvahs because your under a curse then its like you are saying the "devil made me do it"
Not to borrow on interest (Deut. 23:20) (because this would cause the lender to sin)
you can look up on any Hebrew Mitvah site this is regarded by all. This includes among gentiles, because you are not to oppress a stranger and if a stranger comes in need and you charge him interest you are oppressing him. you are not to be involved in contracts that deal with interest as well because it causes others to sin.
"u see this is the problem with pick and choose doctrines. There is always a reason or excuse why they cannot be done."
What?? But the Torah doesn't prohibit people from borrowing at interest. The very text you quoted (Deut 23:20) says "TO a stranger you may LEND at interest, but you shall not LEND at interest TO your brother."
It is plainly unscriptural to say that it is BORROWING at interest is prohibited.
I understand that the priests would be held "blameless" for any ceremonial "work" they performed on the sabbath, BUT I am more concerned with the many people(non-priests)who harvested. They weren't allowed to harvest on the sabbath.
So in other words, harvesting really couldn't even begin on certain years when the weekly sabbath followed the first day of unleavened bread....they would have to wait until the next day, right?
TR....you've "got me thinking" about the possibility of animal sacrifices being reinstituted during the millenium though(strictly as a memorial of Christ's sacrifice)
I can't really "spiritualize away" those scriptures, can I?
kinda like going back to the basics?....All will learn to appreciate the magnitude of Christ's sacrifice.
Even Jews who have lived for the past ~2,000 yrs will have a lot to learn and appreciate....There are no "living" experts alive today in the area of animal sacrifices at the temple.
What a humbling experience it will be for ALL....I foresee alot of WEEPING going on.
This is very true. Most christians are horrified by the idea of animal sacrifices, and most non-messianic jews feel that prayer can replace the need for sacrifice.
I celebrate feast of Pentecost on Sunday 11 May. Here is the link of calendar what i think is correct w w w (dot)ccg(dot)org/english/s/c3(dot)html and remember i do not agree of evrething what is write in there
Woah! There have been a lot of really interesting points raised so far. It's a shame that alot of them will get lost because most people probably won't sit down and read through all the comments. Personally, I'm still not 100% about which direction to take on this one.
Is there any significance to the ascension of Christ to heaven being on Sunday?..... Since Christ is the "firstfruits"(1Cor 15:20-23) it seems to correlate with the "wavesheaf"..... In fact, many call Christ the "wavesheaf offering" (fulfillment).
I believe Christ rose from the dead on the sabbath(late), BUT waited until the "morrow after the sabbath" to present Himself to the Father in heaven.
So are you saying that the HIGH PRIEST wasn't in charge of SUPERVISING festival observances(rules and regulations)?
I might get upset with a police officer for enforcing a law, but that doesn't mean he wrote the law.
Especially that damn "driver responsibility" law....many a people have screamed at cops for that, but it ain't the cop's fault. They're just doing their job.
In those days there was a council (sanhedrin)in which the High Priest sat on. In the 1st century the "Nasi" was the chief leader/prince of the Sanhedrin. Before 191 BC the High Priest held the top position on the council. The people lost confidence in him during the Maccabean period. (Remember Jason & Alcimus these were super sellouts and false High priest.)
2Macc 4:13 Now such was the height of Greek fashions, and increase of heathenish manners, through the exceeding profaneness of Jason, that ungodly wretch, and no high priest
2Macc 14:3 Now one Alcimus, who had been high priest, and had defiled himself wilfully in the times of their mingling with the Gentiles, seeing that by no means he could save himself, nor have any more access to the holy altar.
You can now see how the High Priest lost his power.
Is it relevant that the HIGH PRIEST Caiaphas was a Sadducee during the time of Christ's ministry?
I don't claim to know everything about Jewish history, but it seems to me that if a Sadducee held the office of high priest at that time then maybe they had the counting of Pentecost correct.
Based on what I've read so far, the Sadducees counted from the weekly sabbath during the feast of unleavened bread. Also, considering Profit called the sadducees liars I wanted to compare "counting methods".
The Romans put Caiaphas in office. He was a rich sellout. Also The Sanhedrin was made up of Pharisees & Saducess. The Pharisees had the authority when it came to doctrine.
Messiah also said this:
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and THE PHARISEES SIT IN MOSHE'S SEAT
V.3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
The sadducees were wicked. do you know their Doctrine?
Matt.5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Notice how Messiah never used the saducees as a comparison for righteousness.
They didn't believe in the ressurection, spirit, nor Angels (malakim).
Shaul was a pharisee along with some of the other believers of Messiah.
Why would you side with saducees (this is typical modern day messianic doctrine)
When 2 Israelite groups disagree on a topic, does that make one a heathen? For instance, when the Saduccees and Pharisees disagreed on the resurrection, did the Sadducees turn into heathens instantly?
i would willingly submit to death if it ever came down to me being required to worship the sun(which also includes easter, christmas and sunday "sabbath")
in fact, all they had to do was count the very first year and then they really didn't have to count ever again. Does that apply to eating unleavened bread too?....you just have to do that the first year and then you've satisfied that COMMAND for all the following years?
For anyone other than PROFIT, I am curious about the leap year thing. My main questions are this:
(1)In between the first day of unleavened bread and Pentecost, is there ever a change in dates due to the Hebrew "leap year"? Or is it always at the end of the year?(adding the 13th month)
(2)Where is this 13th month(leap year)taught in the Bible?
(3)How would the order of the days of the week ever be altered due to a leap year?
I keep getting the same answer from Hebrew calendar websites....The 13th month is added AT THE END of the year....so I don't understand how Pentecost could change from year to year if you are counting from a fixed date WITHIN THE YEAR.
I could understand it if we were to count 364 days from a specific date or something, because that would involve the entire year. This is not the case with Pentecost however.
Ok, cool!....I wonder why God didn't just say that Pentecost is to be observed on the 6th of Sivan like ALL the other feasts had designated dates....So there really is NO NEED to even count?
As stated before the count was an alloted period of time for the harvest. I'ts not like we had to do any complex calculations to figure out when shabuot came.
What's your obsession with Sunday? I was just curious.
Is it relevant that the HIGH PRIEST Caiaphas was a Sadducee during the time of Christ's ministry?
I don't claim to know everything about Jewish history, but it seems to me that if a Sadducee held the office of high priest at that time then maybe they had the counting of Pentecost correct.
Based on what I've read so far, the Sadducees counted from the weekly sabbath during the feast of unleavened bread. Also, considering Profit called the sadducees liars I wanted to compare "counting methods".
Instead of getting on a "power trip", you should feel honored to have the PRIVILEDGE of TEACHING God's way of life to the rest of the world....instead you just act like a FOOL who CRAVES power.
What the hell is this...the FARRAKHAN JUDAISM SECT?
BTW, I put an "etc..." in my comment about what I promote.
Are you sacrificing animals today? (local laws more important than FOLLOWING God?)
rico, Sacrificing animals is a horrible example, to be fair. The reason why people do not sacrifice has nothing to do with local laws, if someone were to sacrifice today they would be going against yah. Sacrifices are ONLY to be done in the temple, and since there is no temple yahoshua is our current purpetual sacrifice.
I do feel honored to teach this Word. I also know that you've been deceived with a faggot type of philosphy to think that we are all supposed to be soft. when the scriptures don't show this.
Sacrificing animals? you're just rambling now.
Following YHWH is keeping the Laws dummy.
This is why many heathen will be destroyed cuz you don't want to humble yourselves. You think that you were put here to teach Israel.
ok, let me get this straight....there are animal sacrifices that are "mandated" to be performed on the feasts....BUT you keep the feasts without animal sacrifices anyway?
But I'm the "dummy" for exposing your contradiction...you could sacrifice animals OUTSIDE of the temple too(based on your "pick and choose" logic)
So it's ok to "manipulate" or "tweak" the torah in parts, but just the parts that YOU authorize?
Yes you are the dummy! The only thing that you have exposed is your heathenish stupidity.
Obviously Israel can't do temple sacrifices at this time. No temple, no priesthood, no kingdom. This was the same situation that Tobit was in (Tobit 2:1-6) This has already been mentioned in the video.
Who said anything about sacrifices? This is why I said that you are a devil cuz of your deception.
This is why I come at you heathen clowns this way.
Read my post again & learn how to comprehend fool.
Is it relevant that the HIGH PRIEST Caiaphas was a Sadducee during the time of Christ's ministry?
I don't claim to know everything about Jewish history, but it seems to me that if a Sadducee held the office of high priest at that time then maybe they had the counting of Pentecost correct.
Based on what I've read so far, the Sadducees counted from the weekly sabbath during the feast of unleavened bread. Also, considering Profit called the sadducees liars I wanted to compare "counting methods".
See, there are times when I think you get it, and other times when you seem like a radical israelite who won't even listen to scripture.
I agree, 'christianity' says that it is the yehudim who need to give up what they have, in order to join the gentiles. This is not true, if a 'gentile' believes in messiach and torah then he becomes yisra'el. The most high is able to raise a son of abraham out of stones. Getting back to my point, PHYSICAL lineage is of little importance.
If PHYSICAL lineage was not important then YHWH is a liar
He made promises to Abraham. Why are lineages listed all throught the scriptures?
The prophets & apostles were radical israelites
Exo 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to YHWH, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
I don't understand what point you're even trying to prove anymore. It seems that we agree. In that very verse you quoted, it says that those who are circumsized and desire to be one with yisra'el become as one born in the land. Do you understand what you're quoting? ALL who join into the jews and keep torah BECOME yisra'el, and there is no distinction between him and a natural jew.
Mattityah 3:9 "and do not think that you can say to yourselves, 'We have a father, Avraham.' For I say to you that God has the power to raise up children to Avraham out of these stones."
All who join in messiach and follow yahweh, elohim of yisra'el, and keep torah, become as a seed of avraham.
"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." Romans 2:28-29
Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of YHWH
Notice how the oracles were not committed to the gentiles.
Get that white supremacy christianity out of your mind.
Act 13:47 For so hath YHWH commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
"Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?"Malachi 2:10 "Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female" Matthew 19:4 "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;" Acts 17:26
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" Galatians 3:29
There were Israelites scattered in Galatia and many gentiles sojourned with them and wanted to be part of Israel. Just like the mixed multitude who left out of egypt.
Paul was not writing to a bunch of "christians" he was writing to Israelites. These were synagogues were the Law was being taught.
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" Galatians 3:29
"These things have I spoken unto you, being [yet] present with you. But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:25,26
The HOLY SPIRIT will teach us all things. I don't need a fellow sinner to teach me for GOD will do the works needed for my salvation. I trust and depend on GOD alone for understanding not mankind.
"We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:19-21
All of those Holy Men of old were Israelites who are a light to the gentiles. Not the other way around.
You will only gain salvation by sojourning with Israel and if you are a decedent of "slave masters" then you are going into slavery or death if you don't humble up to the truth.
Isa 14:1 For YHWH will have mercy on JACOB, and will yet choose ISRAEL, and set them in their own land: and the STRANGERS shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
V.2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of YHWH for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
You don't understand scripture. Those men were already taught by Messiah.
Acts 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
Zec 8:23 Thus saith YHWH of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that YHWH is with you.
I have no pride I only go by what is written, "Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and [to] Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think [of men] above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another"
This is great since you only go by what is written then you do acknowledge the role that Israel (the righteous seed of Israel)will play in the kingdom of YHWH.
It is also correct that Paul told the Israelites scattered in Corinth to not be puffed up against one another. since we (israel) are the stewards of the Mysteries of YAH.
1Co 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Messiah, and stewards of the mysteries of YHWH.
Then we agree. Israel are the Ministers of Messiah.
I do not go beyond what is written & search the scriptures daily to see if what others say is so Acts 17:11 "For it is the glory of GOD to conceal a thing and the honor of kings is to search out a matter" Proverbs 25:2 So 2 answer u I can only refer to what JESUS CHRIST said in Matthew 12:50 "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother" If the Israel you speak of are those who do the will of the LIVING GOD, only then do we agree
The gentiles are not Israel or "spiritual" Israel. There is only one way for a stranger to join themselves to the Congregation of Israel and it's found in the Law. After they sojourn with & join Israel, if they do the will of the Father by keeping the Law then they can be saved.
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
You need to understand the mission of Israel to understand this. Israel must be gathered and brought back to life in order to do our job which is to govern, teach, & rule. This is how the nations will be blessed.
Your christian philosophy is old news for me and others who are in the truth. We're in 5th gear in this race while you are still in 2nd.
I suggest that you study with an open mind and approach this thing as a babe. Do research, watch videos from Israelites like TorahRevival, Read the Torah & the rest of the scriptures without any preconceived beliefs and you might grow some more.
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: 3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. 6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God
Once again typical x-tian understanding. Many people in Galatia did not believe that the messiah came and that Yahoshua was him. They were saying we have the Law we don't need the Messiah. They were in fact breaking a Law by doing this.
Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
The point is that when a gentile joins with Israel They learn from the israelites not the other way around. If your joining to Israel then u need to humble up to the Israelites who are the authority on the bible.
Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
The whole topic was you defending RICO & his false doctrine.
Which "Jews" have you joined yourself to?
The Hebrew Israelites scattered in the Americas & around the globe are the ones who will be ushering in this kingdom.
You know damn well that I understand the scripts that I quote. You better hope that you're sojourning with the right people & not some fake cream puff Messianic camp.
"And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham" Matthew 3:9
"Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God."Romans 2:9-11
Israel has been going through tribulation ever since 70 A.D. (read Matt.24)
Our tribulation is almost over. It will be the gentiles turn soon. "to the Jew first and also to the gentile"
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of YHWH and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of YHWH
V.18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Profit, let's compare what I am doing and what Torahrevival is doing:
RICO....is asking legitimate questions and testing my beliefs with others... I promote keeping the sabbath...the feasts....the ten commandments....NOT keeping sunday, easter, christmas, lent,etc.....
TR....publishes videos basically telling people NOT to keep the feasts and if you do "it's on your head"
And I'm the devil?
What a joke!
TR...I only used you for a comparison....If only we all could be as perfect as Profit.
RICOsuave' I thought you were finished with your foolishness. You are lying by saying that's all you were doing. what you were doing is spreading falsehood. You are supposed to keep, teach, & uphold all the commandments not 10.
TR is an Israelite he's not a gentile.
You're a devil cuz you attempt to decieve.
What Israelite are you learning from?
In the kingdom of Heaven what role will you play. King, priest, slave, or what?
RICO, you illustrate how the nations will make war with the Messiah at his return cuz you have preached a false Messiah who is feminine.
Remember how the Israelites took the land of Israel. Read the prophecies you will see that we are militant towards our enemies. Read 1 Maccabees amongst other books and you will see what we thought about our oppressors.
White is just a color. YHWH is dealing with nations.
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
First of all, you need to stop associating me with this 'wishy-washy' christianity. I do not associate myself with christiandom, or this whole notion of forsaking torah and gentiles being the new jews.
You are not wrong that you rebuked someone for teaching something false. I have read him earnestly asking you WHY what you said was true, looking to learn, and you called him a heathen and of satan. This is not how you handle someone who is trying to grow in their understanding of scriptures.
ipwnnewbs50, this is the point that I was trying to make. I was not trying to grow. He was being stubborn without cause. Everything was laid out so even an 8 yr old could understand it. He then took the topic in a different direction. This is subtle deception. This is what jesuits & others do (not saying he's a jesuit).
I told him to humble himself & he refused. This Word isn't for everybody anyway. If he want's to grow he has to learn from the Israelites.
Is it relevant that the HIGH PRIEST Caiaphas was a Sadducee during the time of Christ's ministry?
I don't claim to know everything about Jewish history, but it seems to me that if a Sadducee held the office of high priest at that time then maybe they had the counting of Pentecost correct.
Based on what I've read so far, the Sadducees counted from the weekly sabbath during the feast of unleavened bread. Also, considering Profit called the sadducees liars I wanted to compare "counting methods".
For anyone other than PROFIT, I am curious about the leap year thing. My main questions are this:
(1)In between the first day of unleavened bread and Pentecost, is there ever a change in dates due to the Hebrew "leap year"? Or is it always at the end of the year?(adding the 13th month)
(2)Where is this 13th month(leap year)taught in the Bible?
(3)How would the order of the days of the week ever be altered due to a leap year?
I keep getting the same answer from Hebrew calendar websites....The 13th month is added AT THE END of the year....so I don't understand how Pentecost could change from year to year if you are counting from a fixed date WITHIN THE YEAR.
I could understand it if we were to count 364 days from a specific date or something, because that would involve the entire year. This is not the case with Pentecost however.
If you start the count from the first day of unleavened bread(which is a FIXED date)....or even the last day.... then doesn't that ELIMINATE the need to COUNT?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but 50 days from a fixed date will ALWAYS be the same date each year. Why didn't God just say Pentecost is a specific date like the others?
Maybe I am misinterpreting what you are saying about your counting method....please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just trying to understand
RICO, this isn't "my" counting method. It's what was was prescribed in Torah & was kept by Messiah, the prophets & apostles. I've shown enough facts for you to change but you wont (could it be pride?) Could the Most High be setting you straight right now?
I've ran into many who use the christian/"messianic" count. I know it's not just you. I don't agree with the "jew-ish" community on many things aside from this.
I'm not "jew-ish" I'm a Hebrew Israelite who is from the tribe of Yahudah (Judah)
First of all, I find this discussion interesting so that is why I "shared" my belief. Secondly, YOU are the one calling everyone else wrong. Thirdly, God's chosen people(Israel) have messed alot of things up in their history(including the dates of the feasts)[1King 12:32]. So I couldn't care less about your "line of descent". Fifth, the fact that you even mention your "tribe" shows who is full of pride(You!). Lastly, share your beliefs...don't push them on others with arrogance. Are you Elohim?
3. My line of decent is of great importance cuz of the lies that have been taught to my people and those claiming to be the true decendents of Israel. When the rest of my people wake up to who they are. The kingdom will be established and all liars will be destroyed.
4. Its not about pride it's about knowing who I am. I don't care what you believe. Look if you're a heathen and you don't believe than you're going into slavery in the kingdom of heaven.
RICO, First century historians Josephus and Philo both state that the "day after the Sabbath" of Leviticus 23:11 means the day after the holiday Sabbath, meaning that the omer would always be waved Abib 16.
This was how Messiah & the Apostles kept the feast and we know that Messiah was without sin.
Leviticus 23:11 teaches that it has to be on the day after the Sabbath and that would take us to Sunday.If you count back 50 days you will also end up on a Sunday the day the first offering was brought after the Sabbath during unleavened bread.The Israelites had to also count seven Sabbaths to Pentacost.So it is on a Sunday after the Sabbath.
You came to this conclusion without taking other precepts into consideration.
The weekly sabbath feast are covered here:
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of YHWH, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
v.3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of YHWH in all your dwellings.
The 7 yearly sabbaths (high days) are covered here:
V.4 These are the feasts of YHWH, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in THEIR SEASONS. (THE SABBATHS MENTIONED HERE ARE NOT WEEKLY SABBATHS).
Lev 23:7 In the FIRST DAY ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. (THIS IS THE 1ST SABBATH)
v.8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto YHWH seven days: in the SEVENTH DAY is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. (2ND SABBATH)
Now if you have that understanding in your mind you will know what sabbath is mentioned in these verses:
Lev 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
Lev 23:11 And he shall wave the sheaf before YHWH, to be accepted for you: ON THE MORROW AFTER THE SABBATH the priest shall wave it.
You need to explain these scriptures Luke 25:54, John 19:31,42 & Luk 6:1 And it came to pass on the SECOND sabbath after the FIRST, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.
Also in Dan 9:24 did the 70 weeks start on a weekly sabbath?
Maybe you should study the hebrew word for sabbath, seven, & week.
Profit, Luke and John WERE NOT written in Hebrew. I am well aware that the feasts are considered sabbaths. The point I am making is that based on the context of Leviticus 23:11 it is consistent with "the sabbath" meaning "the weekly sabbath". I am also aware that "sabbaths" can mean "week". Be careful with your "blanket" translation because MANY say that Isaiah 66:23 means from "week to week and month to month"...I disagree with that interpretation BTW.
feel free to lookup the phrase "the sabbath" in the OT(E-Sword). I am doing my best to stick to the OVERWHELMING evidence that "the sabbath" means "the weekly sabbath" in the OT. Considering that the weekly sabbath does not fluctuate and considering that the weekly sabbath was the "sign" of Israel,I think it makes alot of sense to use the weekly sabbath as the "starting point".
The widespread confusion on this topic is a perfect illustration of why God would use the weekly sabbath as reference
RICO, The "gospels" were in fact written in Hebrew. Jerome, and many other scholars have mentioned this. But this is not the point.
The importance of Luke & John which were quoted let's the reader know that they were not speaking of the weekly shabbat in the context of the chapter and if you read it in chinese you would know that they were not speaking of the weekly sabbath cuz messhiah was not sacrificed on a friday.
Profit, I can see you are passionate about your "counting method", and that is good. You aren't going to change and either am I. It is interesting that you accuse the sadducees, christians and the messianics of "lying", but you cling to your favorite historians. The reality is that God will set it straight soon enough. I keep sabbath...I keep the feasts...I count 50 days from the weekly sabbath during the feast of unleavened bread...The Jewish community is at odds with this topic...not just me
I don't cling to any historians I simply use them for a purpose. Besides, Josephus was a traitor. I cling to the scriptures as you can see.
50 days from a fixed date will NOT always be the same each year.
Example this past year was a leap year. Also the moon can sometimes be 29 or 30 days long. So this doesn't make shabuot land on the same day every year.
It seems like you don't understand why we are to count these days. On a simple level...cuz it's wheat harvest time. Guess when it's over?
Profit, then are you saying that you don't observe Pentecost on the same date each year? When is leap year imposed on the hebrew calendar? Between unleavened bread an Pentecost? What months change due to moon being 29 verses 30 days long? Abib?
What?, I can tell that you have a lot to learn. we just came out of a leap year.
HEBREW LEAP YEAR 101 FOR DUMMIES: When you don't see the green ears of barley in the 12th month then you know that you are going into a 13th month known as Adar Bet. This is known to come every 3 years.
Days change when the moon is 29 vs 30 days. Shabout does NOT come on the same DAY every year.
listen bro, I asked a legitimate question and you use your militant verbage as if that is "representing" God?
Being a JEW means nothing besides you got first whack at God's way of life. IMO, you messed it up royally! I wouldn't be boasting about your "lineage" when your history is riddled with slavery due to your lack of obedience. If YOUR people got "lied to" then welcome to the frickin' club you moron! What the hell do you think Satan's been doing all these years.....LYING!
Notice how I only got militant when you came with your demonic deception tactics. I don't care what u think representing YHWH is (his name isn't god).
Being an Israelite is important cuz it means that IF I'm obedient I'm going to rule in the kingdom (over wicked heathen like you).
I know Satan has been lying all these years. You've proven that through your posts. You got angry cuz you got cut with the Word & your true colors are showing you devil!
Mat 8:11-12 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. (12) But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
KEEP BANKING ON YOUR "LINEAGE" AND YOU'LL BE SEVERELY DISAPPOINTED.
Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
V. 5 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
V.26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
V.27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
V.28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of YHWH, and you yourselves thrust out.
He's speaking of HYPOCRITES such as yourself who teach false doctrine.
I already told you that IF keep the commandments I will rule in the kingdom.
2Co 11:22 Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.
V. 23 Are they ministers of Messiah? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.
Was Paul being prideful here? He's simply stating facts.
Look RICOsuave' you have to humble up and learn the truth from the Israelites not the devil. This is my point.
Contrary to what u think the gentiles will not teach Israel
Profit,so now it's ok to learn from the other tribes?(not just Judah)
How do you suppose I learn from the Israelites since their history is filled with division and the people who are Jews(currently) can't even agree on the dates of the feasts.
You'll have to be more specific than just claiming to be a "true" Jew...Organization? Is this the beginning of your "world outreach"? Or are you just another poser who "glories in the flesh" thinking that "lineage" will save them?
Yes dummy you can learn from any righteous Israelite. The Messiah said Jew cuz he was speaking of the Kingdom of Judah because the truth was there. Paul was a Benjaminite and he taught many people but he was referred to as a Jew because he was from the southern kingdom.
I'm not talking about the false jew-ish people who are from europe & live in Israel. Those are false jews.
I'm not reaching out to you. I'm looking for the lost sheep of Israel.
You also need to study & find out that "Elohim" is not a legitament title for the Most High.
Luk 6:42 ...Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.
The only difference here is I'm not your brother. I don't even know you.
All you need to do is look up biblical hebrew names to know that whether yah or yeh is used, the meaning is the same, salvation is of yahweh. Many biblical names that imply yahweh use yeh, or even y', but the meaning is the same. I agree that in certain instances it is necessary to be firm in rebuking someone who is teaching wrong, but you are being incredibly rude for something that does not require it.
If the name has "Yod Heh" it is referring to YHWH. If it has a "Yod" without the "Heh" as in "yeshua" (which means he will save not YHWH) it's not speaking about the Most High.
You need to stop being so emotional. Are you a woman?
Do you have a father? Have you ever been spoken to firmly by a man or an elder?
You people want kind words full of deception. This is what's promoted by christianity & all these false "loving" sects.
I need to stop being so emotional?? What are you talking about? You're calling someone evil and satan for disagreeing about the date of feasts and very close transliterations of the messiah's name.
By the way, in the traditional spelling of the messiahs name, yod-hey-waw-shin-ayin, YOUR translation of the messiah's name ignores the waw, since it's purpose is to draw out an 'O' sound. Thus, correct transliteration is yehoshua. or yahoshua. So I guess this makes you evil and of the devil right?
That's right you r emotional. I didn't call him evil & satan for disagreeing about the dates of the feast. (Go back and READ all of his posts and you'll see where he stepped out of line).
The pronounciations of Yahshuah, Yahoshua, & Yahushua are exceptable, mainly because the Most High is receiving glory.
Depending on the dialect and area of location (just like in the U.S.) some letters were emphesized in speach. Say YAHOSHUA REALLY FAST.
The Abba does things in a cyclical fashion,
again this in response to your correct feast
times. Numbers,6,7,8, Important weekly,
monthly,& yearly feast dates. Teshuvah,
was right before the Judgment Month, Tishri,
the 7th moon month, 8th,day of Sukkot, New
Beginning, Dont't Abba Know that we are not in our land yet. He said to seek and "ye shall find, knock, and keep knocking until the
door of light comes in for the Emet! Contact
me pleasse!
tesrivah 3 years ago
The Feasts, I believe that they were to be our
salvational waymarks for those who live at the
end of time. So, if they are not kept in a
memorial fashion, we have a tendency to forget
our purpose for being here. I do believe that
the Jew-ish Rabanics and the Catholic heirarchy have information that most of us do
not have or know. For me the Scriptures did
not say when you are in the land of your
oppressors, not to keep the feast. Try the solar lunar stellar calendar.
tesrivah 3 years ago
Again, in response to your soliciting, comments with regard to the correct feast
days, is the solar lunar stellar calendar.
Based on Israelite tradition, the month of ELUL, THE SIXTH, MOON MONTH is called the
season of Teshuvah. The Abba never leaves us
without a warning, and preparation time. The
memoralization of these Set-times, were to be
reminders, they were perpetual. Read it in
the Pseudepigrapha, even the Watchers observed
them. They were the first, before man. Search deeper
tesrivah 3 years ago
Agreed!!I guess we all will have to be until there is more unequivocal evidence that comes forth. Personally, I think the Vatican and Jews have all of these answers but are keeping them hidden from the true Yisraelites. Just an observation:)
Tzephaniyah 3 years ago
That wouldn't suprise me at all.
Torahrevival 3 years ago
Great vid. Torahrevival...i agree with you that it is impossible to keep the feasts 100% accurately in the diaspora. However, i do try to keep them in a memorial since as a "rehearsal." I use the rabbinical calander seeing that they stole our identity from our forefathers thus, probably is more accurate then the others. What do u make of this?
Tzephaniyah 3 years ago
Hey ahk. I need to re-visit this topic at some stage. Form my research (which admitedly hasn't been extensive), it seems like there are good arguments on all sides and it also seems like it's basaically impossible to know for absolute definite which is the correct one. Kinda similar to the exact pronunciation of the Father's name.
Torahrevival 3 years ago
according to the mitzvahs (Levitical laws) you are Not to borrow money with interest
If you have a car payment or a mortgage payment you are breaking the law and therefore guilty of ALL the Laws any questions?
aaeoni 3 years ago
Hey. Can you provide a reference in Torah where there is a blanket ban people are forbidden to BORROW at interest?
I am aware that we are commanded not to LEND to our BRETHREN at interest (Exo 22:25, Lev 25:35-37). But to non Israelites or to believing goyim who have not come into the Israelite community (in Hebrew: "nokri"), to these, we can lend at interest (Deut 23:19:20)...
Torahrevival 3 years ago
... But again, if you know of some commandments that say we are commandment not to BORROW (not lend) at interest, then I'd be interested to see it.
On the care payment/ mortgage issue, the fact that it is basically impossible to not borrow at interest today is a sign of the curses we are under (see for example, Deut 28:43-44). The Israelites have no economic power right as fulfillment of prophecy.
Torahrevival 3 years ago
u see this is the problem with pick and choose doctrines. There is always a reason or excuse why they cannot be done. having "economic power" is irrelevant to obeying the law if you are going to obey the law of GOD or of men? That is like other "Christians" I know who think they can cheat on Saturday & go say a prayer on Sunday the entire "the devil made me do it" if you are saying you can't obey ALL the Mitvahs because your under a curse then its like you are saying the "devil made me do it"
aaeoni 3 years ago
Not to borrow on interest (Deut. 23:20) (because this would cause the lender to sin)
you can look up on any Hebrew Mitvah site this is regarded by all. This includes among gentiles, because you are not to oppress a stranger and if a stranger comes in need and you charge him interest you are oppressing him. you are not to be involved in contracts that deal with interest as well because it causes others to sin.
aaeoni 3 years ago
"u see this is the problem with pick and choose doctrines. There is always a reason or excuse why they cannot be done."
What?? But the Torah doesn't prohibit people from borrowing at interest. The very text you quoted (Deut 23:20) says "TO a stranger you may LEND at interest, but you shall not LEND at interest TO your brother."
It is plainly unscriptural to say that it is BORROWING at interest is prohibited.
Torahrevival 3 years ago
I have a question about the "wave sheaf offering"(Lev 23:11):
Was the day that the wave sheaf offering performed the SAME DAY that the harvest began?
My understanding is that it was.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
If I am correct then that would make alot of sense to have "harvesting" BEGIN on a "work day"(as opposed to a possible weekly sabbath).
If we use the "day after the Feast of Unleavened Bread" to start the "count", then it would quite often fall on the weekly sabbath.
sunday= no dilemma
ricoman73 3 years ago
I understand that the priests would be held "blameless" for any ceremonial "work" they performed on the sabbath, BUT I am more concerned with the many people(non-priests)who harvested. They weren't allowed to harvest on the sabbath.
So in other words, harvesting really couldn't even begin on certain years when the weekly sabbath followed the first day of unleavened bread....they would have to wait until the next day, right?
ricoman73 3 years ago
Todah Torah and sorry for the doubt about ban.
I think we should celebrate feasts without sacrifices, because we are now sacrifices and the temple of God. Rom 12:1,1Co 3:16
Shalom in the Kings name Yahoshua Ha Mesiah
bojann79 3 years ago
Bojann79....I agree with your comment
TR....you've "got me thinking" about the possibility of animal sacrifices being reinstituted during the millenium though(strictly as a memorial of Christ's sacrifice)
ricoman73 3 years ago
scripture are very clear that there will be sacrifices during the millenium, and that jews and non-jews alike will be making them.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
I can't really "spiritualize away" those scriptures, can I?
kinda like going back to the basics?....All will learn to appreciate the magnitude of Christ's sacrifice.
Even Jews who have lived for the past ~2,000 yrs will have a lot to learn and appreciate....There are no "living" experts alive today in the area of animal sacrifices at the temple.
What a humbling experience it will be for ALL....I foresee alot of WEEPING going on.
ricoman73 3 years ago
This is very true. Most christians are horrified by the idea of animal sacrifices, and most non-messianic jews feel that prayer can replace the need for sacrifice.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
I celebrate feast of Pentecost on Sunday 11 May. Here is the link of calendar what i think is correct w w w (dot)ccg(dot)org/english/s/c3(dot)html and remember i do not agree of evrething what is write in there
Shalom
bojann79 3 years ago
Woah! There have been a lot of really interesting points raised so far. It's a shame that alot of them will get lost because most people probably won't sit down and read through all the comments. Personally, I'm still not 100% about which direction to take on this one.
Torahrevival 3 years ago
Is there any significance to the ascension of Christ to heaven being on Sunday?..... Since Christ is the "firstfruits"(1Cor 15:20-23) it seems to correlate with the "wavesheaf"..... In fact, many call Christ the "wavesheaf offering" (fulfillment).
I believe Christ rose from the dead on the sabbath(late), BUT waited until the "morrow after the sabbath" to present Himself to the Father in heaven.
Is this just coincidence? Or way off base?
ricoman73 3 years ago
Obviously, the significance is not just Christ being the "wavesheaf offering", but also the timing of the ascension:
(1)During the Feast of Unleavened Bread
(2)Ascension occurring the day after the weekly sabbath(Sunday)....NOT the day after the first day of unleavened bread
I think it's more than just a coincidence.
ricoman73 3 years ago
Wednesday crucifixion, saturday resurrection. Torahrevival did a good video on this, you should check it out.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
What happens when Pentecost falls on the weekly sabbath?
ricoman73 3 years ago
You keep the sabbath. Pentecost is a sabbath.
Profit613 3 years ago
So are you saying that the HIGH PRIEST wasn't in charge of SUPERVISING festival observances(rules and regulations)?
I might get upset with a police officer for enforcing a law, but that doesn't mean he wrote the law.
Especially that damn "driver responsibility" law....many a people have screamed at cops for that, but it ain't the cop's fault. They're just doing their job.
ricoman73 3 years ago
In those days there was a council (sanhedrin)in which the High Priest sat on. In the 1st century the "Nasi" was the chief leader/prince of the Sanhedrin. Before 191 BC the High Priest held the top position on the council. The people lost confidence in him during the Maccabean period. (Remember Jason & Alcimus these were super sellouts and false High priest.)
Profit613 3 years ago
2Macc 4:13 Now such was the height of Greek fashions, and increase of heathenish manners, through the exceeding profaneness of Jason, that ungodly wretch, and no high priest
2Macc 14:3 Now one Alcimus, who had been high priest, and had defiled himself wilfully in the times of their mingling with the Gentiles, seeing that by no means he could save himself, nor have any more access to the holy altar.
You can now see how the High Priest lost his power.
My answer is NO he wasn't in charge.
Profit613 3 years ago
why are you taking so long ? are you plotting and scheming?
davidmj2345 3 years ago
Matthew 23 has some extremely harsh words for the scribes and PHARISEES too. I'm not sure I would pledge my allegiance to them either.
Seems like the Sadducees would've taken advantage of their appointment by the Romans by implementing all their doctrines.
How could the Sadducees get the 50 days from Passover doctrine all messed up?....It's so "simple".
ricoman73 3 years ago
Matt.23 shows that messiah was in agreement with their doctrine. It was the hypocrisy of SOME of them that he condemned.
What about Shaul He remained a pharisee throughout his ministry.
It was the Sanhedrin council which consisted of scribes & pharisees who made the final judgements on matters.
Did you not read what Messiah said? The Pharisees sat in the seat of Moshe.
Obviously the sadducees got many doctrines messed up that seem so simple. They were set up by satan.
Profit613 3 years ago
present sir!
ricoman73 3 years ago
are you there or did you go study the scriptures?
davidmj2345 3 years ago
all i am saying if you are a heathen humble yourself, and you might receive salvation
davidmj2345 3 years ago
Is it relevant that the HIGH PRIEST Caiaphas was a Sadducee during the time of Christ's ministry?
I don't claim to know everything about Jewish history, but it seems to me that if a Sadducee held the office of high priest at that time then maybe they had the counting of Pentecost correct.
Based on what I've read so far, the Sadducees counted from the weekly sabbath during the feast of unleavened bread. Also, considering Profit called the sadducees liars I wanted to compare "counting methods".
ricoman73 3 years ago
The Romans put Caiaphas in office. He was a rich sellout. Also The Sanhedrin was made up of Pharisees & Saducess. The Pharisees had the authority when it came to doctrine.
Messiah also said this:
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and THE PHARISEES SIT IN MOSHE'S SEAT
V.3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
The sadducees were wicked. do you know their Doctrine?
Profit613 3 years ago
Matt.5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Notice how Messiah never used the saducees as a comparison for righteousness.
They didn't believe in the ressurection, spirit, nor Angels (malakim).
Shaul was a pharisee along with some of the other believers of Messiah.
Why would you side with saducees (this is typical modern day messianic doctrine)
Profit613 3 years ago
When 2 Israelite groups disagree on a topic, does that make one a heathen? For instance, when the Saduccees and Pharisees disagreed on the resurrection, did the Sadducees turn into heathens instantly?
ricoman73 3 years ago
I was adopted....I couldn't tell you.
I've got mad hops though.
ricoman73 3 years ago
You might be an israelite. We had fathers up in europe since the time of the apostles.
Profit613 3 years ago
so whats what is your ancestrial lineage on your father's side? you never responded
are you a heathen
davidmj2345 3 years ago
i would willingly submit to death if it ever came down to me being required to worship the sun(which also includes easter, christmas and sunday "sabbath")
ricoman73 3 years ago
stop trying to be sneaky either you submit yourself to the truth or keep being a wicked heathen
davidmj2345 3 years ago
my obsession with sunday?
Like i stated early on in this discussion, I think that the "morrow after the sabbath" means sunday.
"Sunday sabbath" is Satan's counterfeit(just in case you were exploring that angle)
ricoman73 3 years ago
Yeah satan has tried very hard to sneak sunday in as a designated high day.
Profit613 3 years ago
can it be,that you must worship the sun
davidmj2345 3 years ago
why? Is this a "secret society"?
I'm a white dude, so you tell me.
ricoman73 3 years ago
what is your ancestrial lineage on your father's side?
Profit613 3 years ago
are you a heathen?
davidmj2345 3 years ago
So, in theory, the Israelites would be harvesting on the weekly sabbath depending on which day of the week Abib 16 fell on?
What happens then?
ricoman73 3 years ago
in fact, all they had to do was count the very first year and then they really didn't have to count ever again. Does that apply to eating unleavened bread too?....you just have to do that the first year and then you've satisfied that COMMAND for all the following years?
ricoman73 3 years ago
it is very simple, you count fifty days after passover
davidmj2345 3 years ago
why count?...I already know what day Pentecost is, right?
ricoman73 3 years ago
why are u setting him up?
davidmj2345 3 years ago
stop trying to set him up
davidmj2345 3 years ago
For anyone other than PROFIT, I am curious about the leap year thing. My main questions are this:
(1)In between the first day of unleavened bread and Pentecost, is there ever a change in dates due to the Hebrew "leap year"? Or is it always at the end of the year?(adding the 13th month)
(2)Where is this 13th month(leap year)taught in the Bible?
(3)How would the order of the days of the week ever be altered due to a leap year?
ricoman73 3 years ago
I keep getting the same answer from Hebrew calendar websites....The 13th month is added AT THE END of the year....so I don't understand how Pentecost could change from year to year if you are counting from a fixed date WITHIN THE YEAR.
I could understand it if we were to count 364 days from a specific date or something, because that would involve the entire year. This is not the case with Pentecost however.
Maybe those websites are "impostors"?
Please correct me if i'm wrong.
ricoman73 3 years ago
Or I could understand it if you were counting from the mid-11th or 12th month, because a 13th month would mess up the count of 50.
Somebody show me how 50 days from the 16th of Abib is different from year to year(not the day, but the DATE).
Please help!
ricoman73 3 years ago
It's the day that's different.
Profit613 3 years ago
so, the date stays the same each year?(Sivan 6)....it's just the day of the week that changes?
ricoman73 3 years ago
correct
Profit613 3 years ago
Ok, cool!....I wonder why God didn't just say that Pentecost is to be observed on the 6th of Sivan like ALL the other feasts had designated dates....So there really is NO NEED to even count?
ricoman73 3 years ago
As stated before the count was an alloted period of time for the harvest. I'ts not like we had to do any complex calculations to figure out when shabuot came.
What's your obsession with Sunday? I was just curious.
Profit613 3 years ago
Is it relevant that the HIGH PRIEST Caiaphas was a Sadducee during the time of Christ's ministry?
I don't claim to know everything about Jewish history, but it seems to me that if a Sadducee held the office of high priest at that time then maybe they had the counting of Pentecost correct.
Based on what I've read so far, the Sadducees counted from the weekly sabbath during the feast of unleavened bread. Also, considering Profit called the sadducees liars I wanted to compare "counting methods".
ricoman73 3 years ago
At the very least....MOVE TO JERUSALEM!!!
ricoman73 3 years ago
Move to Jerusalem...Another dumb statement from someone who doesn't know prophecy.
WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OVER THERE RIGHT NOW. WE ARE IN THE CAPTIVITY.
Read the scriptures. The false jews and arabs are over there raising hell right now.
When you see all the kingdoms go down then I will return.
Destruction is comming soon thanks to the gentiles.
Read ISA.66:12-24
I do crave power...to eliminate all wicked heathen from the planet. Just like the Most High
Profit613 3 years ago
Instead of getting on a "power trip", you should feel honored to have the PRIVILEDGE of TEACHING God's way of life to the rest of the world....instead you just act like a FOOL who CRAVES power.
What the hell is this...the FARRAKHAN JUDAISM SECT?
BTW, I put an "etc..." in my comment about what I promote.
Are you sacrificing animals today? (local laws more important than FOLLOWING God?)
"Pick and choose" HYPOCRITE!!!!
ricoman73 3 years ago
rico, Sacrificing animals is a horrible example, to be fair. The reason why people do not sacrifice has nothing to do with local laws, if someone were to sacrifice today they would be going against yah. Sacrifices are ONLY to be done in the temple, and since there is no temple yahoshua is our current purpetual sacrifice.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
I do feel honored to teach this Word. I also know that you've been deceived with a faggot type of philosphy to think that we are all supposed to be soft. when the scriptures don't show this.
Sacrificing animals? you're just rambling now.
Following YHWH is keeping the Laws dummy.
This is why many heathen will be destroyed cuz you don't want to humble yourselves. You think that you were put here to teach Israel.
Profit613 3 years ago
ok, let me get this straight....there are animal sacrifices that are "mandated" to be performed on the feasts....BUT you keep the feasts without animal sacrifices anyway?
But I'm the "dummy" for exposing your contradiction...you could sacrifice animals OUTSIDE of the temple too(based on your "pick and choose" logic)
So it's ok to "manipulate" or "tweak" the torah in parts, but just the parts that YOU authorize?
Do you have to stone sinners at the temple too?
ricoman73 3 years ago
Yes you are the dummy! The only thing that you have exposed is your heathenish stupidity.
Obviously Israel can't do temple sacrifices at this time. No temple, no priesthood, no kingdom. This was the same situation that Tobit was in (Tobit 2:1-6) This has already been mentioned in the video.
Who said anything about sacrifices? This is why I said that you are a devil cuz of your deception.
This is why I come at you heathen clowns this way.
Read my post again & learn how to comprehend fool.
Profit613 3 years ago
Is it relevant that the HIGH PRIEST Caiaphas was a Sadducee during the time of Christ's ministry?
I don't claim to know everything about Jewish history, but it seems to me that if a Sadducee held the office of high priest at that time then maybe they had the counting of Pentecost correct.
Based on what I've read so far, the Sadducees counted from the weekly sabbath during the feast of unleavened bread. Also, considering Profit called the sadducees liars I wanted to compare "counting methods".
ricoman73 3 years ago
"If we were in the kingdom right now he'd be put to death. Deut.13:6-11"
DOES THIS ALSO APPLY TO TORAHREVIVAL?....Or is this a "racial thing"?
ricoman73 3 years ago
TR says that we can't keep the feast according to Torah. I agree.
We also agree that we are to remember these days as Holy days and keep the High Sabbaths as days of rest. Tobit Ch.2 shows a great example.
This is called reasoning.
Have you joined yourself as a sojourner to the Israelites. If so you're a brother if not you're an enemy.
This should be clear for you.
Messiah came for Israel not the world.
Profit613 3 years ago
See, there are times when I think you get it, and other times when you seem like a radical israelite who won't even listen to scripture.
I agree, 'christianity' says that it is the yehudim who need to give up what they have, in order to join the gentiles. This is not true, if a 'gentile' believes in messiach and torah then he becomes yisra'el. The most high is able to raise a son of abraham out of stones. Getting back to my point, PHYSICAL lineage is of little importance.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
If PHYSICAL lineage was not important then YHWH is a liar
He made promises to Abraham. Why are lineages listed all throught the scriptures?
The prophets & apostles were radical israelites
Exo 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to YHWH, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
This is the Law for the stranger
Profit613 3 years ago
I don't understand what point you're even trying to prove anymore. It seems that we agree. In that very verse you quoted, it says that those who are circumsized and desire to be one with yisra'el become as one born in the land. Do you understand what you're quoting? ALL who join into the jews and keep torah BECOME yisra'el, and there is no distinction between him and a natural jew.
(T.B.C.)
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
Mattityah 3:9 "and do not think that you can say to yourselves, 'We have a father, Avraham.' For I say to you that God has the power to raise up children to Avraham out of these stones."
All who join in messiach and follow yahweh, elohim of yisra'el, and keep torah, become as a seed of avraham.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
This statement was made to let Israelites know that the must keep the commandments to be accepted & that we can't just make it by bloodline.
Who is teaching you how to keep Torah. What Israelites are u sojourning with.
Profit613 3 years ago
"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." Romans 2:28-29
aaeoni 3 years ago
You should have continued reading in Romans.
Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of YHWH
Notice how the oracles were not committed to the gentiles.
Get that white supremacy christianity out of your mind.
Act 13:47 For so hath YHWH commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
Profit613 3 years ago
"Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?"Malachi 2:10 "Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female" Matthew 19:4 "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;" Acts 17:26
aaeoni 3 years ago
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" Galatians 3:29
aaeoni 3 years ago
There were Israelites scattered in Galatia and many gentiles sojourned with them and wanted to be part of Israel. Just like the mixed multitude who left out of egypt.
Paul was not writing to a bunch of "christians" he was writing to Israelites. These were synagogues were the Law was being taught.
What's your point?
Profit613 3 years ago
He is talking to Israel here. Your own quote proves this.
"why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of OUR FATHERS?"
Your Acts quote even shows that the Most High seperated the nations from Israel.
You're quoting scriptures with typical x-tian philosopy.
The bottom line is YOU MUST BECOME ISRAEL TO BE SAVED.
Profit613 3 years ago
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" Galatians 3:29
aaeoni 3 years ago
"These things have I spoken unto you, being [yet] present with you. But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:25,26
The HOLY SPIRIT will teach us all things. I don't need a fellow sinner to teach me for GOD will do the works needed for my salvation. I trust and depend on GOD alone for understanding not mankind.
aaeoni 3 years ago
"We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:19-21
aaeoni 3 years ago
All of those Holy Men of old were Israelites who are a light to the gentiles. Not the other way around.
You will only gain salvation by sojourning with Israel and if you are a decedent of "slave masters" then you are going into slavery or death if you don't humble up to the truth.
Isa 14:1 For YHWH will have mercy on JACOB, and will yet choose ISRAEL, and set them in their own land: and the STRANGERS shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
Cont...
Profit613 3 years ago
V.2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of YHWH for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
Profit613 3 years ago
You don't understand scripture. Those men were already taught by Messiah.
Acts 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
Zec 8:23 Thus saith YHWH of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that YHWH is with you.
Swallow your pride.
Profit613 3 years ago
I have no pride I only go by what is written, "Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and [to] Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think [of men] above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another"
aaeoni 3 years ago
This is great since you only go by what is written then you do acknowledge the role that Israel (the righteous seed of Israel)will play in the kingdom of YHWH.
It is also correct that Paul told the Israelites scattered in Corinth to not be puffed up against one another. since we (israel) are the stewards of the Mysteries of YAH.
1Co 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Messiah, and stewards of the mysteries of YHWH.
Then we agree. Israel are the Ministers of Messiah.
Profit613 3 years ago
I do not go beyond what is written & search the scriptures daily to see if what others say is so Acts 17:11 "For it is the glory of GOD to conceal a thing and the honor of kings is to search out a matter" Proverbs 25:2 So 2 answer u I can only refer to what JESUS CHRIST said in Matthew 12:50 "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother" If the Israel you speak of are those who do the will of the LIVING GOD, only then do we agree
aaeoni 3 years ago
Since you don't go beyond what is written then you must ask yourself:
1. Who was the Messiah speaking to in Matt.12:50? (Israelites)
2. Who did Messiah come to save? (Matt.1:21)
The gentiles are not Israel or "spiritual" Israel. There is only one way for a stranger to join themselves to the Congregation of Israel and it's found in the Law. After they sojourn with & join Israel, if they do the will of the Father by keeping the Law then they can be saved.
Profit613 3 years ago
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
aaeoni 3 years ago
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
aaeoni 3 years ago
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
aaeoni 3 years ago
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
aaeoni 3 years ago
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
aaeoni 3 years ago
You need to understand the mission of Israel to understand this. Israel must be gathered and brought back to life in order to do our job which is to govern, teach, & rule. This is how the nations will be blessed.
Profit613 3 years ago
Your christian philosophy is old news for me and others who are in the truth. We're in 5th gear in this race while you are still in 2nd.
I suggest that you study with an open mind and approach this thing as a babe. Do research, watch videos from Israelites like TorahRevival, Read the Torah & the rest of the scriptures without any preconceived beliefs and you might grow some more.
Profit613 3 years ago
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: 3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
aaeoni 3 years ago
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. 6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.
aaeoni 3 years ago
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God
aaeoni 3 years ago
Once again typical x-tian understanding. Many people in Galatia did not believe that the messiah came and that Yahoshua was him. They were saying we have the Law we don't need the Messiah. They were in fact breaking a Law by doing this.
Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
cont.
Profit613 3 years ago
V.19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him
The galations didn't have faith.
You're wicked if you are trying to say that the Law is done away with.
Profit613 3 years ago
The point is that when a gentile joins with Israel They learn from the israelites not the other way around. If your joining to Israel then u need to humble up to the Israelites who are the authority on the bible.
Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
k1llwater 3 years ago
The whole topic was you defending RICO & his false doctrine.
Which "Jews" have you joined yourself to?
The Hebrew Israelites scattered in the Americas & around the globe are the ones who will be ushering in this kingdom.
You know damn well that I understand the scripts that I quote. You better hope that you're sojourning with the right people & not some fake cream puff Messianic camp.
The bible is for real men not softies.
The Most High and Yahoshua do Hate.
Profit613 3 years ago
"And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham" Matthew 3:9
"Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God."Romans 2:9-11
aaeoni 3 years ago
Israel has been going through tribulation ever since 70 A.D. (read Matt.24)
Our tribulation is almost over. It will be the gentiles turn soon. "to the Jew first and also to the gentile"
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of YHWH and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of YHWH
V.18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Profit613 3 years ago
Profit, let's compare what I am doing and what Torahrevival is doing:
RICO....is asking legitimate questions and testing my beliefs with others... I promote keeping the sabbath...the feasts....the ten commandments....NOT keeping sunday, easter, christmas, lent,etc.....
TR....publishes videos basically telling people NOT to keep the feasts and if you do "it's on your head"
And I'm the devil?
What a joke!
TR...I only used you for a comparison....If only we all could be as perfect as Profit.
ricoman73 3 years ago
RICOsuave' I thought you were finished with your foolishness. You are lying by saying that's all you were doing. what you were doing is spreading falsehood. You are supposed to keep, teach, & uphold all the commandments not 10.
TR is an Israelite he's not a gentile.
You're a devil cuz you attempt to decieve.
What Israelite are you learning from?
In the kingdom of Heaven what role will you play. King, priest, slave, or what?
You better humble up.
Profit613 3 years ago
Profit, you illustrate how "absolute power corrupts"...You don't even have power and you are already spouting at the mouth with your militant BS!
You should consider that you are acting NO DIFFERENT than your "oppressors" that you blame for "keeping you down".
Just think what you'll be like IF you actually had power..."KILL WHITIE!"..."CONVERT OR DIE!!!"..."BOW DOWN TO ME OR ELSE"
ricoman73 3 years ago
RICO, you illustrate how the nations will make war with the Messiah at his return cuz you have preached a false Messiah who is feminine.
Remember how the Israelites took the land of Israel. Read the prophecies you will see that we are militant towards our enemies. Read 1 Maccabees amongst other books and you will see what we thought about our oppressors.
White is just a color. YHWH is dealing with nations.
Profit613 3 years ago
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Repent & Live!!! (same thing dummy)
But you wont do that cuz you're prideful.
Profit613 3 years ago
is this all about the "Pentecost count"?...if not, then tell me what you keep that I don't keep.
ricoman73 3 years ago
First of all, you need to stop associating me with this 'wishy-washy' christianity. I do not associate myself with christiandom, or this whole notion of forsaking torah and gentiles being the new jews.
You are not wrong that you rebuked someone for teaching something false. I have read him earnestly asking you WHY what you said was true, looking to learn, and you called him a heathen and of satan. This is not how you handle someone who is trying to grow in their understanding of scriptures.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
ipwnnewbs50, this is the point that I was trying to make. I was not trying to grow. He was being stubborn without cause. Everything was laid out so even an 8 yr old could understand it. He then took the topic in a different direction. This is subtle deception. This is what jesuits & others do (not saying he's a jesuit).
I told him to humble himself & he refused. This Word isn't for everybody anyway. If he want's to grow he has to learn from the Israelites.
Call it arrogant I don't care.
Profit613 3 years ago
correction, "He was not trying to grow"
Profit613 3 years ago
Who are the original Jews?
How did they look?
What color was the Messiah?
(notice how I'm going to further test your spirit)
And don't give me that typical response "what does it matter".
Profit613 3 years ago
Is it relevant that the HIGH PRIEST Caiaphas was a Sadducee during the time of Christ's ministry?
I don't claim to know everything about Jewish history, but it seems to me that if a Sadducee held the office of high priest at that time then maybe they had the counting of Pentecost correct.
Based on what I've read so far, the Sadducees counted from the weekly sabbath during the feast of unleavened bread. Also, considering Profit called the sadducees liars I wanted to compare "counting methods".
ricoman73 3 years ago
profit613 broke it down perfect and if you can't understand that then...oh well!!!
phathom2003 3 years ago
For anyone other than PROFIT, I am curious about the leap year thing. My main questions are this:
(1)In between the first day of unleavened bread and Pentecost, is there ever a change in dates due to the Hebrew "leap year"? Or is it always at the end of the year?(adding the 13th month)
(2)Where is this 13th month(leap year)taught in the Bible?
(3)How would the order of the days of the week ever be altered due to a leap year?
ricoman73 3 years ago
I keep getting the same answer from Hebrew calendar websites....The 13th month is added AT THE END of the year....so I don't understand how Pentecost could change from year to year if you are counting from a fixed date WITHIN THE YEAR.
I could understand it if we were to count 364 days from a specific date or something, because that would involve the entire year. This is not the case with Pentecost however.
Maybe those websites are "impostors"?
Please correct me if i'm wrong.
ricoman73 3 years ago
Or I could understand it if you were counting from the mid-11th or 12th month, because a 13th month would mess up the count of 50.
Somebody show me how 50 days from the 16th of Abib is different from year to year(not the day, but the DATE).
Please help!
ricoman73 3 years ago
the HEBREW date...not Gregorian.
ricoman73 3 years ago
Something just occurred to me.
If you start the count from the first day of unleavened bread(which is a FIXED date)....or even the last day.... then doesn't that ELIMINATE the need to COUNT?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but 50 days from a fixed date will ALWAYS be the same date each year. Why didn't God just say Pentecost is a specific date like the others?
Maybe I am misinterpreting what you are saying about your counting method....please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just trying to understand
ricoman73 3 years ago
RICO, this isn't "my" counting method. It's what was was prescribed in Torah & was kept by Messiah, the prophets & apostles. I've shown enough facts for you to change but you wont (could it be pride?) Could the Most High be setting you straight right now?
I've ran into many who use the christian/"messianic" count. I know it's not just you. I don't agree with the "jew-ish" community on many things aside from this.
I'm not "jew-ish" I'm a Hebrew Israelite who is from the tribe of Yahudah (Judah)
Profit613 3 years ago
First of all, I find this discussion interesting so that is why I "shared" my belief. Secondly, YOU are the one calling everyone else wrong. Thirdly, God's chosen people(Israel) have messed alot of things up in their history(including the dates of the feasts)[1King 12:32]. So I couldn't care less about your "line of descent". Fifth, the fact that you even mention your "tribe" shows who is full of pride(You!). Lastly, share your beliefs...don't push them on others with arrogance. Are you Elohim?
ricoman73 3 years ago
RICO,
1.who ever is wrong is wrong. It's that simple. It's all about the truth.
2. You don't know how to quote scripture. 1King 12:32 speaks of the sin of the NORTHERN KINGDOM...WOW!
Profit613 3 years ago
3. My line of decent is of great importance cuz of the lies that have been taught to my people and those claiming to be the true decendents of Israel. When the rest of my people wake up to who they are. The kingdom will be established and all liars will be destroyed.
4. Its not about pride it's about knowing who I am. I don't care what you believe. Look if you're a heathen and you don't believe than you're going into slavery in the kingdom of heaven.
Profit613 3 years ago
Profit, did you forget what I wrote?
"GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE(Israel)"
I NEVER said just Judah.
Your PRIDE is shining through.
Let's agree to disagree on this topic.
ricoman73 3 years ago
YHWH'S chosen people are the nation of Israel. I'm from the tribe of Judah. That's what I was saying.
I don't care if you think I'm being prideful. I know who I am.
All praises to the Most High.
I've already agreed to disagree.
I know one thing. You will only enter into salvation through the teachings of a True Israelite not a gentile.
John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Rom 3:1,2
Profit613 3 years ago
Since the feast of unleavened bread lasts 7 days, there will ALWAYS be a weekly sabbath during that week.
ricoman73 3 years ago
RICO, First century historians Josephus and Philo both state that the "day after the Sabbath" of Leviticus 23:11 means the day after the holiday Sabbath, meaning that the omer would always be waved Abib 16.
This was how Messiah & the Apostles kept the feast and we know that Messiah was without sin.
Profit613 3 years ago
It seems to me that shavuot is the only day that has the issue because that day has a count. Is this correct?
king4him 3 years ago
Leviticus 23:11 teaches that it has to be on the day after the Sabbath and that would take us to Sunday.If you count back 50 days you will also end up on a Sunday the day the first offering was brought after the Sabbath during unleavened bread.The Israelites had to also count seven Sabbaths to Pentacost.So it is on a Sunday after the Sabbath.
2praise 3 years ago
You came to this conclusion without taking other precepts into consideration.
The weekly sabbath feast are covered here:
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of YHWH, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
v.3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of YHWH in all your dwellings.
...cont.
Profit613 3 years ago
The 7 yearly sabbaths (high days) are covered here:
V.4 These are the feasts of YHWH, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in THEIR SEASONS. (THE SABBATHS MENTIONED HERE ARE NOT WEEKLY SABBATHS).
Lev 23:7 In the FIRST DAY ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. (THIS IS THE 1ST SABBATH)
v.8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto YHWH seven days: in the SEVENTH DAY is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. (2ND SABBATH)
Profit613 3 years ago
Now if you have that understanding in your mind you will know what sabbath is mentioned in these verses:
Lev 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
Lev 23:11 And he shall wave the sheaf before YHWH, to be accepted for you: ON THE MORROW AFTER THE SABBATH the priest shall wave it.
Profit613 3 years ago
You need to explain these scriptures Luke 25:54, John 19:31,42 & Luk 6:1 And it came to pass on the SECOND sabbath after the FIRST, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.
Also in Dan 9:24 did the 70 weeks start on a weekly sabbath?
Maybe you should study the hebrew word for sabbath, seven, & week.
Profit613 3 years ago
Profit, Luke and John WERE NOT written in Hebrew. I am well aware that the feasts are considered sabbaths. The point I am making is that based on the context of Leviticus 23:11 it is consistent with "the sabbath" meaning "the weekly sabbath". I am also aware that "sabbaths" can mean "week". Be careful with your "blanket" translation because MANY say that Isaiah 66:23 means from "week to week and month to month"...I disagree with that interpretation BTW.
95% of "hashabbath" in OT=weekly sabbath
ricoman73 3 years ago
feel free to lookup the phrase "the sabbath" in the OT(E-Sword). I am doing my best to stick to the OVERWHELMING evidence that "the sabbath" means "the weekly sabbath" in the OT. Considering that the weekly sabbath does not fluctuate and considering that the weekly sabbath was the "sign" of Israel,I think it makes alot of sense to use the weekly sabbath as the "starting point".
The widespread confusion on this topic is a perfect illustration of why God would use the weekly sabbath as reference
ricoman73 3 years ago
RICO, The "gospels" were in fact written in Hebrew. Jerome, and many other scholars have mentioned this. But this is not the point.
The importance of Luke & John which were quoted let's the reader know that they were not speaking of the weekly shabbat in the context of the chapter and if you read it in chinese you would know that they were not speaking of the weekly sabbath cuz messhiah was not sacrificed on a friday.
Read my posts responding to "2praise"
Profit613 3 years ago
What OVERWHELMING evidence? You haven't produced anything. Where are the scriptures? where are your historical facts.
I on the other hand have shown OVERWHELMING evidence with scripture and historical facts
Are you saying that only the Weekly sabbaths were a "sign" and not the annual sabbaths?
The confusion on this topic comes from those who tried to add to the Law.
Who taught you this doctrine? cuz it's not in the scriptures.
Profit613 3 years ago
Profit, I can see you are passionate about your "counting method", and that is good. You aren't going to change and either am I. It is interesting that you accuse the sadducees, christians and the messianics of "lying", but you cling to your favorite historians. The reality is that God will set it straight soon enough. I keep sabbath...I keep the feasts...I count 50 days from the weekly sabbath during the feast of unleavened bread...The Jewish community is at odds with this topic...not just me
ricoman73 3 years ago
I don't cling to any historians I simply use them for a purpose. Besides, Josephus was a traitor. I cling to the scriptures as you can see.
50 days from a fixed date will NOT always be the same each year.
Example this past year was a leap year. Also the moon can sometimes be 29 or 30 days long. So this doesn't make shabuot land on the same day every year.
It seems like you don't understand why we are to count these days. On a simple level...cuz it's wheat harvest time. Guess when it's over?
Profit613 3 years ago
Profit, then are you saying that you don't observe Pentecost on the same date each year? When is leap year imposed on the hebrew calendar? Between unleavened bread an Pentecost? What months change due to moon being 29 verses 30 days long? Abib?
Just trying to get to the bottom of this issue.
ricoman73 3 years ago
What?, I can tell that you have a lot to learn. we just came out of a leap year.
HEBREW LEAP YEAR 101 FOR DUMMIES: When you don't see the green ears of barley in the 12th month then you know that you are going into a 13th month known as Adar Bet. This is known to come every 3 years.
Days change when the moon is 29 vs 30 days. Shabout does NOT come on the same DAY every year.
You got it!!
Profit613 3 years ago
listen bro, I asked a legitimate question and you use your militant verbage as if that is "representing" God?
Being a JEW means nothing besides you got first whack at God's way of life. IMO, you messed it up royally! I wouldn't be boasting about your "lineage" when your history is riddled with slavery due to your lack of obedience. If YOUR people got "lied to" then welcome to the frickin' club you moron! What the hell do you think Satan's been doing all these years.....LYING!
ricoman73 3 years ago
I'm not your brother, you're a heathen.
Notice how I only got militant when you came with your demonic deception tactics. I don't care what u think representing YHWH is (his name isn't god).
Being an Israelite is important cuz it means that IF I'm obedient I'm going to rule in the kingdom (over wicked heathen like you).
I know Satan has been lying all these years. You've proven that through your posts. You got angry cuz you got cut with the Word & your true colors are showing you devil!
Profit613 3 years ago
Mat 8:11-12 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. (12) But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
KEEP BANKING ON YOUR "LINEAGE" AND YOU'LL BE SEVERELY DISAPPOINTED.
ricoman73 3 years ago
Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
V. 5 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
V.26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
Profit613 3 years ago
V.27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
V.28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of YHWH, and you yourselves thrust out.
He's speaking of HYPOCRITES such as yourself who teach false doctrine.
I already told you that IF keep the commandments I will rule in the kingdom.
Get it right.
Do you keep the Law?...I didn't think so.
Profit613 3 years ago
2Co 11:22 Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.
V. 23 Are they ministers of Messiah? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.
Was Paul being prideful here? He's simply stating facts.
Look RICOsuave' you have to humble up and learn the truth from the Israelites not the devil. This is my point.
Contrary to what u think the gentiles will not teach Israel
Profit613 3 years ago
Profit,so now it's ok to learn from the other tribes?(not just Judah)
How do you suppose I learn from the Israelites since their history is filled with division and the people who are Jews(currently) can't even agree on the dates of the feasts.
You'll have to be more specific than just claiming to be a "true" Jew...Organization? Is this the beginning of your "world outreach"? Or are you just another poser who "glories in the flesh" thinking that "lineage" will save them?
I smell a PHARISEE!
ricoman73 3 years ago
Yes dummy you can learn from any righteous Israelite. The Messiah said Jew cuz he was speaking of the Kingdom of Judah because the truth was there. Paul was a Benjaminite and he taught many people but he was referred to as a Jew because he was from the southern kingdom.
I'm not talking about the false jew-ish people who are from europe & live in Israel. Those are false jews.
I'm not reaching out to you. I'm looking for the lost sheep of Israel.
Paul was a Pharisee dummy!
Profit613 3 years ago
Profit613
"I'm not your brother, you're a heathen.
Notice how I only got militant when you came with your demonic deception tactics."
This is not the example of Yeshua for how we are to talk to people. Let's discard the insults. Calling someone a "demonic heathen" is not productive.
Do you know this man's heart? Are you sure he is 'demonic' and a 'heathen'? What gives you authority to decide?
You might want to keep in mind that we will be judged for all the words we speak.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
YHWHisNOTElohim, This is the example that YAHSHUA (his name isn't Yeshua this has another meaning)
What does this sound like?
Mat 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to DOGS.
Why don't you condemn or try to correct the Messiah for this statement?
Your friend RICO did not come with a sincere spirit. So I addressed him accordingly.
And you, before you try to correct someone you need to learn the Name of the messiah.
Profit613 3 years ago
You also need to study & find out that "Elohim" is not a legitament title for the Most High.
Luk 6:42 ...Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.
The only difference here is I'm not your brother. I don't even know you.
...cont.
Profit613 3 years ago
The man showed his heart through is comments
Mat 15:18 But those things which proceed OUT OF THE MOUTH come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
V.19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, FALSE WITNESSES, BLASPHEMIES
The authority to decide this comes from the Law & the Prophets. ISA 8:20
So go on about your business & don't try to push your cream puff christian logic on Israel. I'm not here to make friends with everybody.
Profit613 3 years ago
All you need to do is look up biblical hebrew names to know that whether yah or yeh is used, the meaning is the same, salvation is of yahweh. Many biblical names that imply yahweh use yeh, or even y', but the meaning is the same. I agree that in certain instances it is necessary to be firm in rebuking someone who is teaching wrong, but you are being incredibly rude for something that does not require it.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
If the name has "Yod Heh" it is referring to YHWH. If it has a "Yod" without the "Heh" as in "yeshua" (which means he will save not YHWH) it's not speaking about the Most High.
You need to stop being so emotional. Are you a woman?
Do you have a father? Have you ever been spoken to firmly by a man or an elder?
You people want kind words full of deception. This is what's promoted by christianity & all these false "loving" sects.
Complain to the RCC & the New World order not me
Profit613 3 years ago
I need to stop being so emotional?? What are you talking about? You're calling someone evil and satan for disagreeing about the date of feasts and very close transliterations of the messiah's name.
By the way, in the traditional spelling of the messiahs name, yod-hey-waw-shin-ayin, YOUR translation of the messiah's name ignores the waw, since it's purpose is to draw out an 'O' sound. Thus, correct transliteration is yehoshua. or yahoshua. So I guess this makes you evil and of the devil right?
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
That's right you r emotional. I didn't call him evil & satan for disagreeing about the dates of the feast. (Go back and READ all of his posts and you'll see where he stepped out of line).
The pronounciations of Yahshuah, Yahoshua, & Yahushua are exceptable, mainly because the Most High is receiving glory.
Depending on the dialect and area of location (just like in the U.S.) some letters were emphesized in speach. Say YAHOSHUA REALLY FAST.
Get yourself a hebrew grammer it will help.
Profit613 3 years ago