CCW 2.236: KICK-ASS or SUCK-ASS?

[geymer7979]

i actually thought that kickass was really bad just awefull

[Joetp]

Kick-ass is awesome, dont get why you guys are so down on it. The artwork and dialog is good with a very cool concept, maybe not 'realistic', but to be fair, what happens the first time kick-ass attempts to intervene with a crime? Does he not get beaten within an inch of his life? Just a point, love you guys though!!

[SchaefDizzle]

I agree with them completely that Kick-Ass has nothing realistic about it. They should check out The Shades if they want hyper-realistic superhero action. It was fantastic.

[thatkrazyguyukno]

The Kick-Ass comic was a dark action story. The movie was more like an action-dramedy. Jet pack ruined it.

[Billymaysfan6837]

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[Wolverine121496]

illinois hi 5 me 2!

[autobotsNdecepticons]

Well now I know more about why the movie sucked.

[masterofgnargnar]

@autobotsNdecepticons the movie was awsome

[locant23]

kick ass is amazing

[helldog63]

i have not seen a review of the boys comic. to me the comic is the best of all time.

[MCTemPErENce]

haha antisocial nerds :D

[excalibunny]

I just read the first 7 issues of Kick-Ass, and only one word to describe it: Cliche

[LEGOcinema15]

Me and my friend came up with a theory that Mark Millar has been captured by Ninjas and was forced to write OML, Kick-Ass, Civil War, etc. He only writes good stuff when he is unsupervised by the ninjas. Well I finally read Red Son and I loved it. I actually cried a little bit because I couldnt believe that the guy who wrote both Red Son and OML were the same guy. I was in a bad mood after reading OML... then the Vikings lost...

[psionomega]

Mark Millar is the most overrated writer in comics. He is like the Rob Liefeld of writing.

[MegaManX4ever]

I liked kick-ass but you guys made really good points in you review.

[swiv2d]

Kick ass is only interesting after the first two issues then the supposedly original concept is pointless after that, kinda like prison break there's only so far it can go once they break out. The thing that pisses me off is how these uber nerds (not you lot) just sort of accept anything that's thrown at them and just go 'yeah bad ass' or 'that's totally sick' it's just as easy as trying to market anything on MTV these days or Disney channel these days to these mindless idiots

[Invincible5972]

So basically she is 50 cent.

[LANCET1000]

great taste in music. love the White Album.

[masonTganes]

TOTALY agree with both of you on the Kick Ass segment

[TheWarlordofthesea]

i have that that marvel backpack at the top right corner:D

[johnnyhorror92182]

I saw the image from the movie on your blog. It looks terrible. The costume ACTUALLY looks like someone's Mom made it.

Whose directing it?

[comicculturewarrior]

Matthew Vaughn. He directed Layer Cake and Stardust which were pretty good movies. Still not expecting anything near good from Kick Ass.

J.

[johnnyhorror92182]

Thanks, Jose.

[dvid22]

can you do first thoughts on kick ass the movie trailer ?

[helldog63]

@johnnyhorror92182 i have not seen a review of the boys comic. to me the comic is the best of all time.

[agent42q]

Really? Guys? It's called Meta-textual, that's what this book is about, think like a weird twist on the idea of Superboy-Prime...

[comicculturewarrior]

Whaaah? I think it's more like 'been there, done that.' This book was hyped as 'superheroes as you've never seen before.' So not the case.

Come on, give me ONE ORIGINAL idea from the book, or at least ONE ORIGINAL ASPECT of the book.

Anyone?

Elliott

[agent42q]

Well no shit it couldn't live up to that hype, NO book could live up to that hype. It would be like trying to watch the original Star Wars Saga today after only hearing about it from everyone now, it would be a huge let down. Admittedly, not a fair comparison, but just trying to make a point.

Also, a modern day Vigilante only in Marvel? It's not like this was new, it was just a grit shock comic, and to those with no memory for 20 years back it is new.

I just thought it was engaging.

[agent42q]

Also, a plot driven around nut zapping, is ONE ORIGINAL POINT, or at least I hope it is. Millar isn't evoking some trope I'm unfamiliar with there is he?

[comicculturewarrior]

Meta-textual? Ohhh...that's what this book is, huh? And here I thought it was a tired, uninspired, piece of shit comic. Man, I guess I was just too dumb to get it. The pure genius of this comic just went completely over my head. Thank you so much for pointing it out.

J.

[agent42q]

I'm just here to help :)

[comicculturewarrior]

Ugh. It shows no responsibility by the writer when he hypes the book as something new and original, and then produces a book that is cliched' and predictable.

But you find it engaging, agent? Really?

Sigh. Whatever. I've said it before and I'll say it again: the market has spoken. And if this is what fanboys want, then they get the comics they deserve.

Elliott

[agent42q]

Variety is the name of the game, it's not like Archie will be taking ques from this book.

[mrsticky005]

@comicculturewarrior

Well of course the writer is going to hype it as new and original.

Saying the comic is cliche and predictable isn't going to help sales.

[comicculturewarrior]

@mrsticky005 How about producing something that is actually new and original? That's going to help sale too, isn't it? Elliott

[mrsticky005]

@comicculturewarrior

Not quite. Ideas that sold in the past are more likely to sell again than new ideas.

Hence why Hollywood is often formulaic, they use the formula because it worked.

With production costs factor in, old ideas are a safer and less risky investment.

[comicculturewarrior]

@mrsticky005 well then excuse me if I take issue with someone trying to sell me something 'new' when it is, in fact, a formula.  That may work for many, but not for me.

Elliott

[mrsticky005]

@comicculturewarrior Well then there you go. It works for others. Marketable comics aren't always the best comics and the best comics aren't always marketable. Formula isn't so much a bad thing. They use formula because it works. Perhaps not all the time and not for everyone. It's likely one of your favorite comics uses some kind of formula used before. You just don't think about it because you consider the comic good. Literature itself has a formula with

exposition ,climax ,and denouement.

[comicculturewarrior]

@mrsticky005 At no point in the video have we said that the formula wasn't successful. What I've been saying is that Kick-Ass was unoriginal, even though it was marketed as 'super-heroes like you've never seen done before.' You can take a plot or device and put a new spin on it. That wasn't the case with this book, IMO. In the end, people read what they wanna read. And as we've already said in previous comments, if this is what fanboys want, it's what they deserve. Elliott

[BENWONDER]

Kick Ass feels like Jeph Loeb writing an Avatar book.

[johnnyhorror92182]

I'm shocked about how far Mark Millar has fallen in recent years. Aside from Superman: Red Son, he did a great run on JLA post-Morrison with Bryan Hitch. Any of you guys out there remember that?

Everything after his Wolverine: Enemy of the State/Agent of SHIELD run has been downhill.

[variantgirl17]

Elliott I agree, I think it is a comic full of loathing and disdain, how could he possibly care about any of the characters in Kick Ass. And they are going to make a movie out of this bullshit? What is wrong with people, WTF?

[variantgirl17]

HA HA HA Jose, I love the limp dick reference and you are sooso right!

[ZipBlockBloody]

You know what else I find funny about this?

on one of the titles it says "Sickening Violence Just The Way You Like It"

Heck it's like Mark is saying Hey you Fanboys who like blood and senseless violence this books is just for you come buy it dumb fucks.

[comicculturewarrior]

How very true.

J.

[deemar325]

and he fucked us in the ass

WTF

[ZipBlockBloody]

Yo,Jose, I'm happy for ya. Ima let ya finish, but Kick ass is the best Comic of all time. OF ALL TIME

Quote Kayne-Shit. =)

[deemar325]

You LIE

Now send me money for my campaign fund =)

[agmaster]

I've read 1-5 maybe 6 of KA and noticed something about Millar's writing. Almost all his work comes around in the end with a satisfying conclusion. Despite that, his style of writing has not really changed and with how long his runs take, his tropes have to be loved by the reader or they're just stuck following the characters.

[pobra17]

I am looking at my own copy of Superman: Red Son, and shaking my head in disgrace... how is this the same guy? Granted I haven't read a single issue of Kick-Ass, but from what you're saying it's a piece of shit book that I wont read anyway. What is with these writers putting out great shit at DC, then coming over to marvel and sucking ass?? And please don't tell me that you actually bought DR: the List, from what i heard it's MORE of the NA watching TV and bitching!!! WTF!?!?

[generaldark]

i read it at the shop and it did nothign for the whole dark reign thing. i didnt buy it but a day later i return to the store and one copy is left. WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???????

[comicculturewarrior]

I didn't buy it. I borrowed it for the review.

J.

[pobra17]

well I'm glad to hear that J. And to generaldark; my shop apparently sold out of that shit the same day they got it. And they had quite a few copies from what the owner tells me... wtf is wrong with people indeed.

[deemar325]

E&J on the Red Skull age thing, remember the super serum slows the aging process. Ult. Fury should look like Morgan Freeman by know, but the serum keeps them vital.

Even in the 616 MU, it's like that Isiah Bradley is noted to look no more than 40ish, Josiah X is around 60-65 but looks 30. Steven even if he wasn't frozen for years would look no more than 50ish

[deemar325]

I truely think Millar needs editorial to reign him

Like Jose said Red Son is phenominal work, but he think his shit don't stink

[LEGOcinema15]

Hmmm. maybe Mark Millar was kidnapped and replaced by a skrull.... One of my friends told me that he read Red Sun and told me that it kicked ass (see what I just did there?) Is Wanted any good? God I miss the quality work he did on Ultimate X-Men and The Ultimates vol. 1+2... WTF is up w/ a 10-year old wearing kevlar? Jeez I'm glad I'm not reading this crap. I liked the 1st issue of Ult. Avengers, but #2 was just 2 effing ridiculous. Hey check out my review for it on my blog.

[deemar325]

link fool link ;-)

[LEGOcinema15]

Hmm it seems like I can't post a direct link here, but u can find a link to it on the CCW blog. Its Comic Book Dude89's blog.

[deemar325]

got it

[comicculturewarrior]

Wanted is pretty good except for the last 3 pages.

J.

[deemar325]

Ult Avengers was ok, but Pacheco man wtf happened to his penciling?

[comicculturewarrior]

I'm with you there, man. His artwork used to be so fun and dynamic. It's a fucking shame.

J.

[deemar325]

It's just rushed and sloppy

[johnnyhorror92182]

Yeah, a comic book where a guy massacre's 500 people then skins his own face for shits-n-giggles isn't exactly "kid friendly".

[TheComicRant]

Eh I like Mark Millar. American Jesus was a fun book. Still, I have to agree with you. He's very over-the-top.

Ultimate Avengers was never an "all ages title". The first volume had the Hulk rampaging across Manhattan killing countless people on his quest to rape Betty.

[CSTATB]

I think the Script for the film was done before millar had got to number 3 of the comic, and from there he followed the script of the film.

[PILKK90]

i really enjoyed ultimate avengers from the art to the writing, kick ass however did disapoint because it seemed so goofy with big daddy selling comics and the truth of his origin

[deemar325]

It seems Kick-Ass is more a of a way to taunt fanboys than an actual story

[saar1707]

I yet to read KA #7 but I'm going to tommrow. The art look better than the last 6 issues and over all (from the previews) ithe story look good.

[saar1707]

I don't understand what you want with Miller Writting? I personally loved/ enjoied every thing I've read that h wrote. Civil war was be far the best Marvel's event for the last 10 years, Kick - Ass is just a fun and cool series with a great art by JRJ, Ultimate avengers was a very enjoy and fresh approch to the Cap/ red skurll story (and remember, it is an Ultimate story so he can do what ever he want).

[smallmaniac]

Maybe some people have just gotten so sick of violence towards adults they thought violence towards children would be a good next step.

[locusmortis]

Millar was hanging around with Morrison a LOT around that time of Red Son and I'm positive that Morrison had a big part in that.

the Millar of Kick-Ass is the same Millar that brought us his version of Sam Slade Robo-Hunter...ask any longtime 2000AD fan what he did with that much-loved character.

[spideyfan74]

You couldn't fund a lemonade stand with DC comics

[generaldark]

fanboi????

[kurumais]

i dropped this book at issue 2

when the 10 year old girl showed chopping people in half  the premise got nuked

ultimate avengers has never been all ages

im not crazy about this book so far

[OoogieBoogie]

I dropped at issue #3 after a little girl kills a room full of dudes with her katanas I gave up. Kick-Ass was supposed to be about a teenager who gets his ass kicked trying to be a hero.

[OoogieBoogie]

I would also like to add that Frank Miller's The Spirit was awesome and I'll gladly point, counter point anyone who wants to bash the movie.

[deemar325]

It had a foot with a tiny head

a foot...tiny head

[OoogieBoogie]

All of a sudden movies can't have weird fictional things in them?

[deemar325]

Heh..nah, but the Spirit was uneven it just felt off

[maxsant74]

Lol, Mark Millar is the Kanye West of comics, his ego is his own worst enemy.

[deemar325]

Man don't smear Millar like that, he's more a coked out Stan Lee

[pobra17]

lol, Millar is the gay fish of the comic world. Gay fish yo...

[comicculturewarrior]

He he....

J.

[generaldark]

thats why i dropped this book, it lost its realism. i read the list, avengers. totally pointless IMO. i will probally buy, the daredevil one only because im following that story, and the punisher because remander is writing it ut the art is making me second geuss. anywaise i love these 13 minute videos. makes the wait more worth it :)

[ZipBlockBloody]

Also since Civil War I have been drawn away from Marvel comics.

[ZipBlockBloody]

More like Shit-Ass

And this shit is getting a movie?? really Hollywood?

It's really a shame cause he is a superman fan and yet he doesn't show at all.