If one were to apply the same historical "standards" of demands for evidence as skeptics apply to Jesus, you'd be surprised how many historical figures would be argued were completely fictional.
According to what I've seen and read, there is even LESS historical evidence for the existence of a single Siddatha Gautama, and yet most Buddhists don't question his existence. (In fact, I'd be surprised if I don't get bristly, offended responses from people who ironically want to believe in him but
@composerdoh DON'T want to believe in Jesus, and who will subsequently use completely different historical standards of skepticism from one to the other.)
To my knowledge/memory, there is only ONE piece of "historical" evidence that is more or less agreed upon that supports that there was an actual, historical Siddartha, and that is an inscription upon a shrine that dates from about 200 YEARS after his death.
For the record, I believe they BOTH existed as single, REAL historical figures, and
@composerdoh that the writings, devotion, and sincerity of their followers and their teachings is more than enough evidence for me, and for most reasonable people.
In the end, of COURSE we can't know "for sure" that they really existed historically. But can you even be certain "FOR SURE" that we're not really in a tube somewhere and this world is all a dream? In the end, does it really matter? Isn't the most important thing how true the teachings are to your life right now, in THIS moment?
Honest questions, God is the Beginning, Everything in Between, and the End, Jesus is the Life, the Way, and the Truth. Jesus fed the thousands, make the blind see again physically and spiritually, cast out demons, made the handicap walk again, raised the death back to life, and the one who can't hear able to hear again etc. WHAT EXACTLY THAT BUDHA DO TO GIVE HUMAN RACE HOPE AND LIFE BESIDE MEDITATING AND TEACH PEACE?
@MrWrongevolution Jesus' whole life is made up of myths and fairy tales, but Christians love their fairy tale. Buddhism isn't the worship of Buddha, it's a way of living. The difference between Buddhists and Christians: Buddhists use the stories of the Buddha to teach a life lesson, and Christians use the stories of Jesus to teach a faux-historical lesson.
Do buddists here knew Buddha was born from queen armpit. After born Buddha walked right away,one hand pointed to the sky, one hand pointed to the ground, then said:" Myself, myself, myself. I am great person." This story had been taught until 20 century by buddhist monks. Today rare hears about that. Buddhism erased that but some statue Buddha pointed hands still around the word. There is 1 in Vietnamese buddhist temple in Paris.
Buddha taught : don't believe everything untill your experience .So How can buddhists explaint: While Buddha alive, why did he know about karma, reincarnate? What were his experiences after death? Was he a liar, big liar wasn't he? Or buddists are blind believers.
I grew up in buddhist country I knew mainly of buddhism. Ego is a main concern. buddhhism in asia make buddha is god. Listen, understand buddhist chanting, you will know buddhists ask buddha help, buddhha giving them benefits. When Buddism come to the Western, change a face: science, mind training....bullshit. Why buddhism have two face because buddhism is fake true. Buddhism is evil.
@BaneOfAzrael Buddhism is evil please, see this; " Phật Thuyết Kinh Vô Lượng Thọ - Buddha Pronounces the Sūtra of Amitāyus Buddha (Sub) " There are English subtitle.
Previous life of Buddha was God. Please, see careful whole this video. It is true document of fundament Buddhism.
Traditional Buddhism made Buddha becoming God. How deity in Buddhism. Many Budda= many deities.
If you guy have sickness . Mumble " medicine Buddha mantra" . It heal your sickness, doesn't it?
See youtube "Jesus was real person, proof outside of bible".Do you know in early 300 years of christianity , Rome killed christians. Why does christianity still exist? Do you know that buddhist disappear 500 years in Indian? Read book " The shadow of dalai lama" You know more about buddhist. See western buddhist nun in film " empty mind"
In the Dharmic traditions (Hindu, Buddhists, Jain, and Sikh) when we refer to a study of another religion or even ideas of an opposing group from their perspective and break down their arguments from our perspective (Dharmic perspective) it is called Purva Paksha. A person who does an amazing job of this is Rajiv Malhotra. He talks about the Dharmic perspective and its study of the West through Purva Paksha. Look up "Being Different" by Rajiv Malhotra on amazon.
No Jew becomes THE Jew. No Christian becomes THE Christ. No Muslim becomes Mohammed. No Buddhist becomes THE Buddha. All people strive for the ideals and none, no humans, achieve what they seek. No human possesses all the world. No human gets what they want. We all strive and never arrive. Religion, human being, is about striving and never arriving. Egyptians invented monotheism, not Jews, Amenhotep IV, 1360 BC. It's just a fact. Jesus of Nazareth is dead. Christ means energy, not a person.
this is the world that we live in, the world of thoughts and imagination..
everything is a focus of what is to come or what will make me happy.
we loose touch of the truth.. the truth is nothing has changed,,, not with jesus, not with buddah, not with muhhamed..nothing has change.. and i dont know about you guys,, but if i was god,,, and i got kids.. no child..in this earth or universe would know suffering...
Are you seeking truth? Search for "Truth Contest" in Google and click the 1st result, then click on "The Present" to open it. What it says will blow your mind.
Alright look: I do have an obsessive love for Christianity and Christ, which is why I am studying the historical Jesus right now. I am not against Christianities per se. I fume with rage over the doctrine of eternal hell, that is all. So blatantly unenlightened people must have black hearts to subscribe to it. With afterlife we speak of Ultimacy, not Earthly Things, remember? (no they don't understand this!). God Bless All Christians, Jews & Moslems!
An omnibenevolent "God" would have designed Human and Universe in such a way that all Souls eventually get saved. Consciousness thrown into eternal suffering in hell is obviously wasted and the situation is sheer evil. At least the Hindu "God" brings everyone to Love through Karma and Reincarnation. That is a perfect match for Omibenevolance and Omniscience. Eliminate Islam, Christianity and Judaism and the world would be better off. Jerusalem is a lunatic asylum. Thank Yahweh for WWIII!!
If the Christian God is real, and there is a Heaven, and Christ returns to the Earth, and we are all judged, how would I, as a Buddhist, be judged?
I do not believe Christ's godhood in the same way as Christians (i.e., Christ is god insomuch as we are all God), and I do not believe in a supreme cosmic ego. So therefore, having lived as virtuous a life as I could, refusing to do harm, will your God still damn me to burn in Hell for all eternity?
@BodhiGamer "how would I, as a Buddhist, be judged?”
as a buddhist you are judged on your actions and intentions.
If you do something bad, you get bad karma, if you do something Good you get good karma.
Over your life time you collect both, and when you die the karma is weighted and determines your rebirth. Obviously good karma puts you in a better position, bad karma in a worse. If sever you might make a transition to another kingdom (animal, spirit, a hell, etc)
further more,how will u be reincarnated to earth when is completely destroyed and on fire,u will be eternaly stuck in the nothing,i used to be buddist b4 that toasit 899,000 times b4 u reach nirvana and break out of the birth and death cycle of samsara,rather u than me yahushua is the only way to the father only when u die will u know this,its a shame u really think u know it all and the truth but you are far from it and too far gone,ul be gutted when the father tells u i do not know you good by
all of the babylon system we live in will fall,come out of her my ppl is the fathers words!the whole world was decieved and whored after the beast,satans best trick must be islam like many others alike,there is only one way and saviour to the father through his son,the line will be drawn,the narrow gate is closeing,many are called few are choosen,the son will come and reign a 1000yrs peace on this earth,then the father will come to earth from heaven to be with HIS children 4 ever more so b it
@tonybadham who cares what the dali lama says he's a leader of a cult tibetan buddhism make up only 2 percent of all Buddhists,and their tantras are heretical,the Buddha will always help us it is his eternal nature.how can an immmoal deity save u?1 sam 15:1-3,DUET 13:6-18,EX 21:7,NUM 15:32-36,EX 31:14,LEV 20:9,DUET 21:18-21,matt 15:4-7,2 KINGS 2:23-24,JUDGES 11:30-40,LEV 24:15-23,ISIAH 13:15-19 and the list goes on and on,how can a devil who pretends to be the higher being save u?
The True Gospel is this,.The Son of The Father Most High,.King O'Israel,.is going to Return to This Earth,.He's going to raise the dead in The Resurrection and judge accordingly,.and He is going to set Up His Fathers Kingdom, here, on THIS EARTH (not Heaven) and RULE it FOREVER and EVER,..in a time that Only The Father Knows,He Himself The Father Almighty shall leave HisHeaven Come Down Here , and JUDGE His Son,..and Will Dwell Here on Earth with us His Children,read it ..and REJOICE, SO B IT
@tonybadham sound like you are a person who believing and worshiping a diet or a god. You are belong to a cast or a group. Believing in blind faith is illogical for me. You are your own person why don't you try to be an individual and create your own destiny, be a self motivator. I don't think you will be happy in the kingdom of heaven as you have mentioning. Suffering is not reserve for human only, but also extending to godhood himself. As long you are existing, you are prone to suffering
@Bakmoon I was wondering when someone was going to ask that. Hell I was wondering who the 1st retard was going to be that would use the word Jew in a negative context. Like rednecks have nothing better to do.
@mishn90 I think that he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Besides, what's the likelyhood that he is a crypto-Jew who pretends to be a Buddhist? What would he gain from that ? I just don't understand, thats all. By the way, could you explain what you mean exactly by the term zionist? A lot of people use it to mean diferent things, and I would like some clarification if you wouldn't mind.
@Bakmoon okay so it doesn't SPIKE the odds necesarilly. i was struggling with how to put it. there are many jewish people who aren't zionist, and then there are gentiles who are zionist, too. i don't actually know the ratio between zionist and non-zionist, among the jewish. what i mean by zionist is pro-state of israel. there are some good vids on youtube about the talmud, which to some jews, is their most revered book, and there's some pretty scary stuff in there, if you're a non-jew.
@mishn90 actually, the vast majority of Israel supporters are Christian Fundamentalists who believe that the only way to bring the end of the world is to have a violent showdown in the middle east. Most Jews support a state of Israel, but accept that the Palestinians should get a state too. I don't think that is 'Zionist'. By the way, most of the videos and websites on the talmud are tottaly made up, citing non-existant books of the Talmud.
@Bakmoon you're arguing against a point i never made. and what youre saying is totally untrue about most of them being christian fundamentalists. are you talking about real deal fundamentalists, or members of the US government? because they're not actually christian. if you don't think i correctly defined zionism, then why don't you correctly define it for us? ANY supporting of the state of israel is zionism. The state of israel actually thrives on racism towards the jewish people.
@mishn90 Sorry. I only mentioned the Fundamentalists because we were talking about ratios of Zionists. I think that I may have overreacted to you because of misunderstanding language. Usually when I hear the term Zionism, I take it to mean the idea that Israel should occupy the entire region and that the Arabs should be expelled, or the Dome of the Rock should be demolished, etc... rather than simple support for the existence of Israel.
@Bakmoon revisionisthistory (.) org/talmudtruth (.) html < < < all of the articles i've read that attempted to refute this one, all failed miserably. what makes you so sure you're right? have you had the chance to read an actual talmud?
@mishn90 I haven't recently read from it. From all but one criticism I have come across, I haven't been able to find the quote because the citation was just made up altogether. The one exception was a quote taken greatly out of context which stated that "it is nothing" for a three year old girl to be molested. In context however, it is clear that it is refering to the fact that the girl is innocent of any wrong doing. It is nothing to her concience, in other words.
@mishn90 By the way, I might wan't to point out that I am not Jewish. I am a Buddhist. The only reason why I know about the Talmud is that studying various religions is a hobby of mine. Also, I don't see how supporting the existence of the State of Israel is bad. I know that the Israeli gov't can be trigger happy at times and its military can be heavy handed, but blaming it on the Jews is an oversimplification, just like overseas people blame americans for the Bush administrations policies.
I AM GOD,I AM GOD so says the logic of baillong for IF god and jesus are ONE that means JESUS is GOD then if it also says i and GOD/jesus are ONE that also MEANS IM GOD,IM GOD,say it baillong form ur own logic IM GOD.u are also GOD,u and god are ONE also so U ARE GOD too.WE CAN ALL BE GOD(JOHN 17:20-23)IM GOD and ur GOD,and we are ALL GOD,being ONE with Buddha was where jesus got this also whenhe said father he was talking about being ONE with Buddha CHAPT 3 LOTUS SUTRA(we had it first)
YEA HE SAID HE AND GOD ARE ONE to say they are the SAME,JOHN 17:20-23 (((((THAT THEY MAY BE IN US)))))),I IN THEM AND YOU IN ME,THAT THEY MAY BECOME PERFECTLY ONE,yea thats right baillong IM ONE WITH GOD that means I AM GOD so says jesus.thats right baby IM GOD from UR OWN LOGIC.
in all those verses all u did was show ur deity allowed u to own slaves WOW also,in the jewish bible translated into english it does use the WORD RAPE in ZECH 14:1-2 WHAT NOW?????ur deity sent men to RAPE WOMEN,and OWN SLAVES which u admit with no problem,YEA he and the father ARE ONE he aslo SAYS JOHN 17:20-23 I AND MY FOLLOWERS ARE ONE so are his followers also GOD ,yea jesus is one with the father and one with us so we are ALL GOD YEA.I BUDDHIST1986 AM IN THE FATHER SO I MUST BE GOD ALSO.
heck i bet if their was a verse in the bible where ur deity told men to hold down 6yr old boys and rape them u would find some way to JUSTIFY it also,u would make up some lame excuse like u do all the other sick things u justify,hey its okay to stab infants and rape women,and own slaves cause god said so,heck u can jusyify all that whats next child molestation?NUM 31:17-18WHAT it says to KILL all the female children who have been MOLESTED but KEEP the VIRGIN girls for urselves U SEXUAL PERVERTS
like i said baillong show me these RAPE laws that use the word "RAPE" if it doesnt say RAPE in the verse BY UR OWN LOGIC it must not be talking about rape:)
jesus also NEVER said I AM GOD can u show me where he said I AM GOD so obviously thats FAKE,i can show u where jesus said I(as in me and u) ARE GODS=YE ARE GODS=JESUS:) ill get off the moral high horse when u get on it:)
its funny how u can say that those verses are not about RAPE cause it doesnt use the word "RAPE" but then u can say their are RAPE laws in the bible even thought they dont use the word"rape" its even more histerical to say those RAPE laws are clear as day but OBVIOUSLY when it says ur deity sent men to RAVISH women and RIP out their babies(isiah chap 13) its OBVIOUSLY not rape nor forced (ABORTION) or child murder and its not CLEAR AS DAY,*sighs* christian morality & reasoning for u.
@Buddhist1986 first of all if woman were raped then why not say rape or sexually take, sexually assault, and they do use the word rape I will give an example Deuteronomy 22:24 to 26 if a woman is raped and noone stops him he will die Deuteronomy 22:27 to 29 same thing happens but caught he must pay 50 shekels of silver must be payed to the father and he must marry her and cannot devorce not ever for as long as HE lives meaning even if she dies he is still pledged to her. these say it clear as _
@bailong329 as day and as law. Revealing what I have said all along making you wrong. That rape was a capital offence that is punishable even with death. But does it say rape in this context what does the law say it says NO. According to Deut 23:17- to 18 they couldn't even be used as prostitutes and Lev 19:20 to 22 says they can't sleep together outside of marriege in which case she has to be freed in Deut 21:13 and 14 female slaves taken in war as wives had 1 month to mourn their family_
@bailong329 if they were divorced they were freed no questions asked and they couldn't be sold to anyone else. if abused they were automatically freed and the master is punished Exodus 21:26 to 27 ( and rape was considered abuse and as stated before punishable) and Deut 23:15 to 16 states ANY slave who flees from their OPPRESSIVE MASTERS must be freed automatically. and I applied these laws to them because it says in Leviticus 24:22 and Numbers 15:15 to 16 the law applied to them as well not_
@bailong329 it doesnt actually say the word RAPE in those verses also the TANAKA says in ZECH 14:1-2 uir deity sent men to RAPE the women,the SAME in ISIAH 13 so what now the HEBREW bible uses the word RAPE for these verses so u are incorrect yet again?????also in DUET 22:27-29 this is saying the woman must marry her RAPIST cause she isnt bethrophed(and cant get a man to marry her now cause she has been "deflowered" so the father pawns her off to the rapist WOW see what i mean christian morals.
@Buddhist1986 That all depends on the translation. I went through 5 different versions of the bible and all 5 use the word Rape. So your not arguing your way out of this one. And these words actually suggest rape thats the difference between the scriptures you use which don't even use even a word that suggests it and the verses in Deuteronomy complain all you want but thats the way it is. Like it or not you are still wrong. So either drop it or get lost don't care. No thats what Duet 22:27means_
@bailong329 because you just disregarded what a Shekel is. A silver shekel if you were to put it in modern US currency varies in weight but it in the ancient times cuz it was more rare then gold in the Mid East but sources place it at around 80 US dollars 80 x 50 is 4000 US dollars and back then that was alot. So that was punishment because that law put you in debt to the father. So not only did you have to marry the daughter you were also the fathers slave.
@bailong329 so its not a pawning its a settlement deal as well as set up for becoming a slave to the father. It allowed the owning of slaves but it also had strict laws to their treatment as Leviticus says they have to be treated as Israelites no exceptions. I know where you are going with that argument and according to leviticus like it or not your still wrong because the law protected slaves from abuse end of story so drop it. It also says that because the diciples chose him then they are_
@bailong329 friends of god. This case the term one refers to relationship. He is one with god and has a relationship as son and father. Hence why the pharisees interpreted it correctly and notice Jesus never once denied it. Him being one with his diciples shows relationship through friendship and brethren. In many churches this is why members greet each other as bro and sis. So your still wrong and trying to get around the language like what your trying to do isn't going to help so youstilllost_
@bailong329 what you say is correct but your interpretation is incorrect. You are not one with god. because if you are at one then you have a relationship. Therefore you are not god because you are not APART of him. The proof of this is in Jesus's referance to god he never set himself seperate from him relationshipwise he set him in relationship by calling him father. IF BEING ONE WASN'T ABOUT RELATIONSHIP AND TO BE ONE YOU MUST BE IN RELATIONSHIP THEN WHY DOES JESUS USE FATHER IN THIS CONTEXT.
@bailong329 The reason is in John 5:22" the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him." and in John 12 he says "He who sees Me sees the One who sent Me." So here he is mentioning a preexisting relationship through the last part " one who sent me" and he identifies father and son relationship through the words as well not in metaphor but _
@bailong329 clear speech. So you are wrong here because if you have no relationship with god then your not apart of god and therefore you are not god end of story. So from my own logic you still haven't figured out why you can't get around my arguments. Your last comment just shows your frustrated, ignorant, and your still dumb. Wow I must have stepped on your nerves because you don't sound rational anymore. I think its because you know you have lost HAHAHAHHAHAHA.
@bailong329 no buddhy i actuall own a jewsih american version of the old testant it says ur deity sent men to RAPE WOMEN in ZECH 14:1-2 ISIAH 13 so u cant argue ur way out of this one,the tanaka doesnt even have a new testament ONLY an OLD TEST and its for american english speaking JEWS it is more credible than ANY (watered down translation u have)so like it or not ur are still wrong.
@Buddhist1986 thats only one translation. Haven't you learned anything of how I studied the bible. I never use one version I use multiple. You know how many different versions of the bible I read 4. NIV, KJV, ASB, MSG. and if I am ever curious about any other version I always go to biblegateway dotcom. Even using a Jewish American version and I am here to tell you does not help if you don't know how ancient hebrew works. Which I also look up. The laws do say no raping allowed_
@bailong329 the people who translate the bible know it, the people who study the bible make us aware of it, historical scholars are aware of it, and everybody else who knows how ancient hebrew works knows it. Your not getting around this. It says rape everybody knows it accepts it so drop it. if Zech 14:12 points to rape then why does every other translation I am reading and even the commentaries about it suggest it is in referance to a disease and people fighting each other?_
@bailong329 even the direct hebrew translation suggests this is a message from god saying hands off and anyone that tries to fight it will be plagued with violence and disease. So your the one that not getting around this. So just give it up. It doesn't say rape alright. And Isaiah 13 is still talking about Cyrus not hebrews and it says THEY not I will, or I will command, or I will give order it says they even the Hebrew translation shows it as a group independent of gods will so just give itup.
buddhist1986 your pride is now costing you your sanity. The simple fact is you don't want it to be true and all your insistance isn't going to change it from being true which is what your doing. So either go to the nearest lunatic asylum and have yourself committed, or swollow your pride, learn a little humility and accept the fact that you are wrong cuz your pride is the only thing keeping you from your sanity.
@Buddhist1986 Isaiah 13 is in referance to a NON-JEWISH PEOPLE called the Medians led by CYRUS THE GREAT. Its prophecising the end of Babylon from the eyes of Isaiah who lived during the Captivity. Was Cyrus a Jew or a Believer in god lets see what the history books say well it says he was a ZOROASTRIAN in other words he worshiped Mazda not Yahweh MORON. Does the Isaiah say he will command Cyrus to ravish and dash children to the walls no he doesn't he just says his Army will MORON.
@bailong329 I thought you were taught attention to detail moron it says " THEY WILL" as in his army it does not say " I will command" oh yes he does quote All men are gods he also says in the same chapter and Book John 10:30 I and the father are one meaning they are one in the same. He is god. What you expected it to be word for word thats why I call you moron. The line you are gods is a quote from Psalms 82:5 to 7 Which talks about the foreign gods and the people who follow god_
@bailong329 it describes those who follow the foreign gods as walking in darkness and the people who follow god are gods because they are the sons of the most high but they will die because they are mortel. So it is a metaphor of the sacredness of the believer. But this is Jesus's defence this wasn't what started the trouble it was when he declared that HE AND GOD ARE ONE that they are the same, and the Jews accurately translate it as Jesus is god but Jesus never denies it hence it was correct.
ill respond to ur propaganda with simple UNDENIABLE FACTS from ur bible i hope this helps you out,do u ever get tired of worshiping a deity that tells men to hack infants to peices 1 SAm 15:1-3,says u can own slaves and beat them EX 21:7,EX 21:20-21,says to kill gays LEV 20;13,and to kill ur own mom if she changes religions DUET 13:6-9 and to KILL people who try to preach their relgion to u DUET 13:9-18,LEV 24:16 kill those who speak bad about ur deity NOW THIS IS TRUTH
@Buddhist1986 If you accept these as undeniable facts and use that as reason to condemn it as a whole then I bet you also condemn democracy cuz of corruption despite the fact that their are laws that condemn such action. I will also bet you condemn charity work because of how many charity embezzlement scams there are ( not just religious I am just talking in general), or I will also bet you condemn your own religion cuz of the teaching of contentment ( btw if your wondering where this is from_
@bailong329 A former Burmese Soldier and defector) anyway the teaching of contentment allows people to excuse anything out of religious teaching. Point is you have listed scriptures that do exist but I wonder why you didn't list the scriptures that produced justification, and even other scriptures that showed that people could escape penalty of the law through atonement in those same books. You even failed continuously and I am convinced you still haven't worked up the courage to look it up_
@bailong329 that slavery as we know it today WAS not the same as slavery back then, if you were slave you were treated much better and in most cases we have NONBIBLICAL examples of people VOLUNTARILY becoming slaves cuz they were taken care of. If they were being mistreated then why are they VOLUNTEERING for it. You still haven't gotten past THESE FACTS. There are other facts you have also overlooked including those from simple ancient languages books and dictionaries you can find anywhere.
@bailong329 propaganda right! Your the one that keeps hoping nobody notices all of the research you DIDN'T DO. I believe that is called GREY PROPAGANDA. If your from the army then you know what that is its incomplete truth mixed with bullshit that can't be confirmed academically cuz it is either difficult to find anyway or it is easy to find but the people who believe the Grey Propaganda are too stupid, simple minded, and lazy to look it up and do the research themselves.
@bailong329 LIE! there were servants and SLAVES. Ex 21:20-21 Beat male and female slaves to death..hmm seems the same as it was back when christians used the bible to justify slavery in the bible belt.
@DarkBeauty1989 Christians also used the bible to attack slavery cuz it also proposes to slaves that if they have an opportunity to get their freedom then they should take it. LIE if they beat their constantly then why do we have historical accounts of people VOLUNTARILY becoming slaves? Denying ain't going to make any less of a truth. it is there whether you accept it or not you still have that problem. The law says they can but it doesn't mean they did it constantly.
@bailong329 In federal law marajuana is an illegal substance, but how many states have allowed it to be used for medicinal purposes, or how about this one federal law actually allows for the death penalty to be used but how many states actually use the death penalty? Point is just cuz the law says it doesn't mean it happened always, and if we have historical evidence and even documented examples of people voluntarily becoming slaves then that suggests that beatings only happened onrareoccasions_
@bailong329 and only in certain circumstances and if you are volunteering to be a slave then why would you join knowing well you would be disobedient? Logically the person would rather face starvation then be a slave yet you have such examples you argument about this isn't with me its with the historical records that you can research at any university that has an in depth history department so if you have problem with this fact then take it there not to me.
@bailong329 lol yeah and christians use the bible to attack abotion when the bible supports abortion. Bible support FORCE LABOR deut 20:10-11 and BEATING SLAVES TO DEATH ex 21:20-21...... :(
Bible also supports murder ,rape,chld rape,killing gays,not leeting women have rights....so good thing america isnt a christian country ran by the bible .
@DarkBeauty1989 Again do we actually see examples of slave beatings happening anywhere in the OT? Again your argument isn't with me its with the historical documents which back me up. If people are VOLUNTEERING then you can quote exodus all you want it still suggests that it didn't happen that much. Same with forced labor although it happened on rare occasions it only happened to aggressors of Israel. And how do they support rape when the law condemns it?
@bailong329 murder condemned by death unless accidental, rape if not caught in the act condemned by death if not caught forcibly married otherwise death, so it sounds to me that if they were laws condemning the act and even had punishments that satisfied offended parties then it didn't support it it CONDEMNED IT nice try but playing your word games still ain't going to work and persuade others from not looking up these facts. And if woman didn't have rights then why in Ruth do we see_
@bailong329 example of a family of woman ( a mother and daughter- in law) demonstrating full rights. Even in Leviticus you see the law ALLOWING woman to have rights if there are no men in the family you even have examples of other woman like Deborah in Judges who were authority figures and prophets. Kings and Chronicles also had them. Sounds like they had plenty of rights and the law allowed them to have it. According to the law YOU CAN be subordinate to a husband and still have rights.
@bailong329 Woman in Israelite society did that and were even allowed to have an opinion nothing in the law said they couldn't it only said they have to be subordinate to the husband thats it. So in your pathetic attempt at trying to criminalize the religion you've proven again that you didn't take everything into account like a moron.
@DarkBeauty1989 Exodus 21 only mentions the law. I mean actual instances thanks for proving your stupid again this time I was straight forward with what I was saying. Plus you still have the problem of people volunteering for being slaves which suggests it wasn't a common practice even though the law allowed it. Can you prove that it was a common practice? Even if you could you still have the problem of explaining why people were volunteering.
@bailong329 umm the fact that it was a law shows it was happening back then. Even if it never happened it was still a law of god. Like I told Blacksolar,you both make me sick so I am done talking to you. You call rape good...whats the point in talking to someone that calls rape and killing babies good? Talking to you is like talking to a rapist that has no remorse. goodbye .
@DarkBeauty1989 How many times have I heard that one. You must have short term memory because every time you say that sooner or later we are back at it. Even if it was if it never happened then its just like the death penalty it only happened for certain circumstances. The only reason your mad is because you can't get around that fact.
@DarkBeauty1989 ah excuse me but how is not getting around my arguments kicking my ass. You could't beat me in the historical context. You couldn't beat me in the biblical. You still insist rape was involved and I don't see any indication of rape. You say the laws were cruel and used unjust methods of punishment even though neighboring nations used even crueler methods and even harsher laws. You argued they beat their slaves yet you never showed an example of such an act that displayed cruelty_
@bailong329 in fact I even mentioned a historical truth which was people volunteered to be slaves which revealed that this treatment was more like the death penalty here if it was used at all it was used for specific circumstances therefore slaves were treated vary well. You never even made an attempt to attack this argument as if ignoring it made it less of a truth all it did was make it a brick wall you couldn't overcome and just like a wall in an inconvenient place you just said it was still_
@bailong329 cruel. Except how is it cruel when people are volunteering for it? There is a social factor you kept trying to ignore cuz you knew it threatened your position. It seems to me that if anybody is kicking anybodies ass its me kicking yours and all I have written is proof. It seems the only debate you won is the one I just made you lose HAHAHAHAHAAHA.
@bailong329 please history is only written by the victors,i feel sorry for u cause u defend immoral teachings that have hurt so many people,its not good to have a mind that thinks its good and justifiable to stab infants or rape women FOR ANY REASON,this is why i pity u.
@Buddhist1986 And when history books take into account records from the other side and all corroborating sources then its an uncontested fact. Something you still haven't learned by now. And I am still waiting for a scripture that says the word " rape". And in those days (KEY WORDS THOSE DAYS) if someone raided you and killed off the weaker ones in a cowardly act and they never repent of it then they got themselves annhilated. And it had to be that way in those days otherwiseyouwouldbeannhilated
@Buddhist1986 Oh really no rape laws then why do I see some in Deuteronemy Leviticus and numbers in there it says it clear as day try again. What do think those are there for huh to make it look pretty. In fact these laws were harsh because thats how it needed to be in that environment. You need to repent for being on the damn high horse when your far from being moral yourself.
@bailong329 no bailong u are wrong their are NO rape laws in the bible where does it say the word "RAPE"where does it say "RAPE" bailong?? can u provide ONE verse where it says the WORD RAPE???i guess by ur logic if it doesnt say the word "rape" then its not talking about it.how come u are contradicting urself? "And I am still waiting for a scripture that says the word " rape". YOUR WORDS NOT MINE,ZECH 14:1-2 IS RAPE,ISIAH 13:5-18 is RAPE,wanna play a word game ITS AS CLEAR AS DAY:)
@bailong329 yourself. This is not 21st century people we are talking about this is 20th century BCE. Today is much more forgiving then that time if your nation let raids go without reprisal you know what happened? You got killed off thats what happened no exceptions. Stop trying to kid yourself by thinking it was anything but that it was exactly that way. If you don't like that fact thats your problem but pretending people back then were anything like today is naive.
@bailong329 We even have archaeology to back this up don't pretend its not there. Since when has that tactic helped you. If nothing else it makes you look more stupid because its obvious this was not a time where live and let live worked in fact it never worked. I kept trying to show you that numerous times but like a neutered dog you didn't get it. Instead you tried to demonize it further and refused to take anything into account showing just how stupid you are. Thats why Ikeepcallingyoustupid
@bailong329 the fact that christian parents used the bible to justify beating their kids to death proves the bible is evil and WE WIN THE DEBATE=YOU LOST. But knwoing you ,you will call killing disobedient children moral.
@DarkBeauty1989 And still the laws condemn such actions ( look up the penalty for murder in biblical law) in fact the law put both children and adults under the same law. Including fatal injuries. So YOU STILL LOST THE DEBATE and I told you before the statistic of domestic abuse isn't even 40% its 31%. I love the way you tried to generalise it knowing full well what the statistics really are. It seems to me like your desperately trying anything to catch me offguard and failing miserably.
@bailong329 I am sorry but you lost the debate cause the bible says to kill your children..and those christian parents did. And if Jesus is god because they are one then Jesus disciples are also god because John 17:20-23 Jesus said they are one with him. Bible does condone rape and beating slaves to death =WE WIN THE BIBLE IS EVIL.
@DarkBeauty1989 Funny how you didn't use any scripture that time,and I also noticed that whenever you do that it shows you actually don't want to admit you lost because of your pride. So in other words all you did was just tell me I WON AHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA Thank you for admitting you lost and the bible is good HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
@DarkBeauty1989 Lev 20:2 in referance to human sacrifice of your children penalty is death, if a slave is beaten to death the owner is “punished” — not necessarily killed. If the slave survives the beating then there is no punishment. (Gen 9:6, Ex 21:12, Numb 35:16-21) so looks like I won the slave abuse argument. As for the Child Abuse argument everybody was put under the same law. Therefore if a child is beaten to death then the instigator is in violation of the law Exodus21:12 to 14 Lev24:17_
@bailong329 okay bailong u defend rape and stabbing children and u win...........what did u win?i care less about winning which is why i hardly talk to u.in truth Buddhists are reasonable moral people,so when u defend those things in ur bible Buddhists see what u are defending,in truth i just ask u a question and post a verse and i let u scare away everyone with ur defense of immoral teachings,so enjoy what u think is a victory in truth ur the best player on our team :)
@bailong329 Lev 20 :2 doesnt debunk lev 20:9 and deut 21:18-21. Ex 21:20-21 If a slave dies right away the owner in punished but if the slave survives a day or two after the beating the owner of the slave is not to be punished. Sorry but the THOU SHALL NOT KILL only applies to the people that have rights ..and dont forget that almost every punishment for breaking the 10 commandments is DEATH. God said to beat you kid to death ..so you lost sorry.
@DarkBeauty1989 the fact that both lev 20:2 and Lev 20:9 however puts it in proper context in the sense that they are about proper treatment of each other and their is a sacredness with children and parents if this sacredness is not honored then its sacrilege. And actually slaves did have rights under the Jewish Law according to Lev 25:39 to 43 they had to be treated as hired workers no exceptions. Oh really every punishment then how come I see laws in Lev and Deut that says to beat someone_
@bailong329 actually jew slaves had rights ..nonjew slaves didnt. beating someone to death isnt rights .the bible is full fo contradictions so they makes me win even more.
@DarkBeauty1989 Oh really nonjew slaves didn't then why do I see a scripture in Lev 24:22 and Numbers 15:15 to 16 that says they had the same rights as jewish slaves? Even Ex 23:9 made it clear that just because they were foreigners it didn't mean they were inferiors. Contradictions right sounds like your making excuses again to justify not studying thoroughly enough so that makes me the winner even more. HAHAHAHAHA you want to try again?
@bailong329 Lev 24:22 is talking about blasphemy and both those verses are not talking about slaves. The bible does say you can kidnap people and make them slaves..and that you can beat female and male slaves to death. you lose. Yes your bible is full of contradictions which proves the bible is bs even more. Lev 25:39-43 actually shows the nonjew slaves had no rights.
@DarkBeauty1989 Not according to Ex 21:13 and any slave that is beaten is punishable so you still lose. Your trying to get around this fact and the law still stands. Contradiction is just an excuse not to study the bible the way its suppose to be studied. I don't what your reading into the scripture or what warped version of the bible your reading but I am staring at Lev 25 right now and it says nonjew slaves had the same rights and Lev 24:22 is in referance to treatment of Foreign slaves_
@bailong329 saying to yourself its not its not its not isn't going to change the fact that it is. I don't know what warped version of the bible your reading but if it doesn't say that then its not correctly tranlated and thats why I gave you 2 count them 2 scriptures refering to the same thing so they are not a contradiction your just making an excuse not to study it.
@bailong329 42 For they are my servants, which I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: they shall not be sold as bondmen.
43 Thou shalt not rule over him with rigour(ex 21:20-21 =nonjew); but shalt fear thy God.
44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
@DarkBeauty1989 Yeah looks like an excuse to me because that is not in referance to slavory. You just proved for me that your making excuses if you look at the WHOLE CHAPTER its in referance to the sacredness of the Israelites and they need to live LAWFULLY to maintain that sacredness, and verse 44 there is no verse 44 its exodus 21:1 to 36 I am staring right at it. So you just proved again your going to make any excuse to not study it.
@bailong329 you havent studied it because shcolars agree the slave laws changed over time as the bible was written. ex 21:7 i selling you daughter as a sex slave. ex 21:16 contradicts deut 20:10-11 where they kidnapped people. lev 25 shows that jews were not beaten but nonjews were.
@DarkBeauty1989 According to skeptics who would take the word of only scholars who are just as dumb and ignorant as you. And exodus does not say Sex slave because according to the same laws not only was that grounds for divorce it was also grounds for the woman to be executed. And taking captives is not kidnapping because to kidnap is synanomous with ransom. YOU ARE NOT GETTING AROUND THE SCRIPTURES. GIVE IT UP. There is no shame in admitting you are wrong. The scriptures I showed actually say_
@bailong329 lol really cause the law says they werent .yeah that actually is a law to sell your daughter as a sex slave. taking someone by force is kidnap. marrying a captive is RAPE. LOL so know you are condoning beating kids? BTW ex 21:20-21 is beatin so badly they did after two days. the bible condones beating your kid to death. ..and christian parents actually followed that which makes me and buddhist 1986 right the bible is evil.
@bailong329 if you read the talmud you would see that the jews didnt even consider gentilles as human. ex 21:13 again for someone that had rights..remember thou shall not kill and all those laws telling the jews to kill? CONTRADICTIONS.
@DarkBeauty1989 And if you read Exodus 23:9 you see that foreigners were not inferiors. And for someone who thinks they know alot about the law obviously and clearly just proved you don't anything about the word Kill in ancient Hebrew. THERE IS NO GENERAL WORD FOR KILL LIKE IN MODERN ENGLISH. In fact in the 10 commandments the direct translation is murder. Kill is always a 2 partical word with one character for death and the other being the conjugation involving the means how do we know its_
@bailong329 because Deut 5:17 is a continuation of the thou shalt not kill commandment and it specifically talks about in direct referance to murder, not execution, not selfdefence not even war.If you even look up the meaning of the word Ratsach (murder) all translations refer directly to murder. Contradiction yeah right. Looks like proof to me your making more excuses.
@bailong329 really so if the foreigners werent oppressed then how come we see in ex 21:20-21 they were ruled over with a rigour? god said stone people to death -Jesus said dont =contradiction. God said everyone has to die for their own sin but god sent jesus to die for our sins=contradiction. god said dont kidnap=god said kidnap. god said dont MURDER=god murdered people.Jesus said dont pray in public ..jesus said pray in public. no one knows jesus' real last words as he dying with asphyxiation
@DarkBeauty1989 Thats because Jesus said in the story of the woman at the well a time was here and now where it didn't matter where to worship or prey. God sent Jesus to die so people would not have to die for there sin not contradiction. We can play these games all you want it is not going to change the fact that there are scriptures which show that its not a contradiction you just don't want to look them up, and if it says that the foreigners were oppressed then I don't see it in there and _
@bailong329 I just looked at 5 different versions of the bible. It doesn't say with rigour. In fact what it does say in all 5 versions is that it shows a referance to another scripture that the master is ultimately responsible for the welfare of the slave and if he mistreats him then it is the master who will face punishment. So it reinforces what I HAVE BEEN SAYING.
@DarkBeauty1989 Soldiers get beaten for dicipline in many countries they still beat their troops, children got beaten alot of times to get them to learn wisdom and what they did was not only wrong but it angers people, Slaves got beaten but here is the thing and the law is clear. If the beating is taken to far then the instigator has committed murder and is to be sentenced to death or severe punishment. Oppression is just to make you stay in your place its not to make you grow or learn wisdom.
@bailong329 thats actually what we now call rehabilitation in the prison system. If people were beaten but they grew in wisdom whether its slave, troop, or child and learns wisdom then its not oppression. I was diciplined never harshly but I learned wisdom as a result of it. My brothers became drug users and stopped after their friends died from ODing and they had to dicipline themselves to stop in some respects quite harshly. My brother leterally quite cold turkey by locking himself inhisroom-_
@bailong329 for almost a month and starving himself. Did he oppress himself or did he learn to dicipline himself and control his addiction. It seems to me that these were extreme methods just to stop an addiction and damn near almost killed one of them but they grew in wisdom and became better men.
@bailong329 and I am no exception I know wisdom comes from discipline and I will even follow my brothers example and punish myself if I do something I shouldn't have done just to keep myself from doing it again. I actually kept myself awake 48 hours just because I was being lazy and my fiance complained about it. Even she thought it was unnecessary and tried to talk me out of it.
@DarkBeauty1989 and the bible is in agreement with you. Thats why the law says what it says. You beat someone to death and your responsible you pay for it.
@bailong329 Remember that christian girl I told you my husband talked to ? well her family BEAT HER like the bible says but now she took all of her christian stuff off her Youtube and is now looking into buddhism. HA and you say we are wasting our time when we helped so many people. I actually had my own cusin disown me yetserday for not writing a comment about the bible on facebook..and her bf called me a "sick little fuck" whcih makes no sense cause he couldnt tell me how I am sick lol.
@DarkBeauty1989 If it the beating left a permanent mark then the family is in violation of the law so you are wasting your time so it sounds like all your huffing and puffing is coming with a price and in your arrogance you it hasn't hit you yet what that is. And like I said saying it does doesn't change the fact that it doesn't so you are wrong. Did you know that the law also required every Israelite to have a complete copy of the law and each Israelite was responsible for studying it in its_
@bailong329 entirety? Oh yes thats where the Torah Scroll came from. The idea was that every Israelite knew every subsection every law, every by-law and even how to repent of each violation. You can even find an english translation written the way it would have been presented. So people were well aware of what the law says and if there was a contradiction someone would have challenged it and you know what noone did not once. So that in itself varifies what I have been saying about it_
@bailong329 So long story short everyone knows the law didn't allow people to be beaten to death and noone in the bible claimed contradiction because they all had to study the same law. If you beat someone to death it counted as murder and you were sentenced to death. If you beat someone and it left a permanent mark you were in violation of the law and had to pay for it. If the bible is evil then so is the American Laws because our laws are written in similar fashion with laws, sublaws, by laws_
@bailong329 case laws, some by laws are seperated from the law itself because of related circumstances, other laws seperated into a different section and so on. You can see just by the example of our laws that if every Israelite had to study their own laws then that means all of them had to be like lawyers. Like I keep saying all contradiction is is just an excuse for not studying.
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If one were to apply the same historical "standards" of demands for evidence as skeptics apply to Jesus, you'd be surprised how many historical figures would be argued were completely fictional.
According to what I've seen and read, there is even LESS historical evidence for the existence of a single Siddatha Gautama, and yet most Buddhists don't question his existence. (In fact, I'd be surprised if I don't get bristly, offended responses from people who ironically want to believe in him but
composerdoh 16 hours ago
@composerdoh DON'T want to believe in Jesus, and who will subsequently use completely different historical standards of skepticism from one to the other.)
To my knowledge/memory, there is only ONE piece of "historical" evidence that is more or less agreed upon that supports that there was an actual, historical Siddartha, and that is an inscription upon a shrine that dates from about 200 YEARS after his death.
For the record, I believe they BOTH existed as single, REAL historical figures, and
composerdoh 16 hours ago
@composerdoh that the writings, devotion, and sincerity of their followers and their teachings is more than enough evidence for me, and for most reasonable people.
In the end, of COURSE we can't know "for sure" that they really existed historically. But can you even be certain "FOR SURE" that we're not really in a tube somewhere and this world is all a dream? In the end, does it really matter? Isn't the most important thing how true the teachings are to your life right now, in THIS moment?
composerdoh 15 hours ago
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composerdoh 16 hours ago
While Buddhha was alive, how did he know experience life after death as karma reincarnate, nibban, next life? Is Buddha a liar?
If you want to know Jesus was real person, please see youtube " Jesus in history- prove outside of Bible".
MrWrongevolution 1 day ago
It sounds like you have a bug up your bum when it comes to Christianity. Did a naughty Christian say something nasty about Buddha?
marlogue53 1 month ago
How is that attacking personal belief is going to help? Discussing and Explaining that's what's going HELP Here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
andrewthao17 1 month ago
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Honest questions, God is the Beginning, Everything in Between, and the End, Jesus is the Life, the Way, and the Truth. Jesus fed the thousands, make the blind see again physically and spiritually, cast out demons, made the handicap walk again, raised the death back to life, and the one who can't hear able to hear again etc. WHAT EXACTLY THAT BUDHA DO TO GIVE HUMAN RACE HOPE AND LIFE BESIDE MEDITATING AND TEACH PEACE?
Some One Please Answer!
andrewthao17 1 month ago
Whole Buddha' life is cover by myths and fairy tale. But Buddhist love their fairy tale. Awake. please.
MrWrongevolution 1 month ago
@MrWrongevolution most of todays buddhists, as i have heard, dont believe in god.
TheDrewManXD 1 week ago
@TheDrewManXD Today Buddhists don't believe in God. Look back 2500 years ago. Buddhism was poison Buddhist brains by deity( Many Buddha).
See in youtube " Buddha medicine mantra" See Buddha become a Buddhist's God.
MrWrongevolution 1 day ago
@MrWrongevolution Jesus' whole life is made up of myths and fairy tales, but Christians love their fairy tale. Buddhism isn't the worship of Buddha, it's a way of living. The difference between Buddhists and Christians: Buddhists use the stories of the Buddha to teach a life lesson, and Christians use the stories of Jesus to teach a faux-historical lesson.
IAmMrSoul 1 week ago
I hate when the Christians are arguing, they are quoting from the shithole fairy tale bible. Even twilight makes more sense.
shdevilnguyen 1 month ago
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Do buddists here knew Buddha was born from queen armpit. After born Buddha walked right away,one hand pointed to the sky, one hand pointed to the ground, then said:" Myself, myself, myself. I am great person." This story had been taught until 20 century by buddhist monks. Today rare hears about that. Buddhism erased that but some statue Buddha pointed hands still around the word. There is 1 in Vietnamese buddhist temple in Paris.
MrWrongevolution 1 month ago
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Buddha taught : don't believe everything untill your experience .So How can buddhists explaint: While Buddha alive, why did he know about karma, reincarnate? What were his experiences after death? Was he a liar, big liar wasn't he? Or buddists are blind believers.
MrWrongevolution 1 month ago
I grew up in buddhist country I knew mainly of buddhism. Ego is a main concern. buddhhism in asia make buddha is god. Listen, understand buddhist chanting, you will know buddhists ask buddha help, buddhha giving them benefits. When Buddism come to the Western, change a face: science, mind training....bullshit. Why buddhism have two face because buddhism is fake true. Buddhism is evil.
MrWrongevolution 1 month ago
@MrWrongevolution "Buddhism is evil.” --> how so?
BaneOfAzrael 4 weeks ago
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@BaneOfAzrael Buddhism is evil please, see this; " Phật Thuyết Kinh Vô Lượng Thọ - Buddha Pronounces the Sūtra of Amitāyus Buddha (Sub) " There are English subtitle.
Previous life of Buddha was God. Please, see careful whole this video. It is true document of fundament Buddhism.
Traditional Buddhism made Buddha becoming God. How deity in Buddhism. Many Budda= many deities.
If you guy have sickness . Mumble " medicine Buddha mantra" . It heal your sickness, doesn't it?
MrWrongevolution 1 day ago
See youtube "Jesus was real person, proof outside of bible".Do you know in early 300 years of christianity , Rome killed christians. Why does christianity still exist? Do you know that buddhist disappear 500 years in Indian? Read book " The shadow of dalai lama" You know more about buddhist. See western buddhist nun in film " empty mind"
MrWrongevolution 1 month ago
In the Dharmic traditions (Hindu, Buddhists, Jain, and Sikh) when we refer to a study of another religion or even ideas of an opposing group from their perspective and break down their arguments from our perspective (Dharmic perspective) it is called Purva Paksha. A person who does an amazing job of this is Rajiv Malhotra. He talks about the Dharmic perspective and its study of the West through Purva Paksha. Look up "Being Different" by Rajiv Malhotra on amazon.
tomtomttom 2 months ago
No Jew becomes THE Jew. No Christian becomes THE Christ. No Muslim becomes Mohammed. No Buddhist becomes THE Buddha. All people strive for the ideals and none, no humans, achieve what they seek. No human possesses all the world. No human gets what they want. We all strive and never arrive. Religion, human being, is about striving and never arriving. Egyptians invented monotheism, not Jews, Amenhotep IV, 1360 BC. It's just a fact. Jesus of Nazareth is dead. Christ means energy, not a person.
jackgoldman1 2 months ago
this is the world that we live in, the world of thoughts and imagination..
everything is a focus of what is to come or what will make me happy.
we loose touch of the truth.. the truth is nothing has changed,,, not with jesus, not with buddah, not with muhhamed..nothing has change.. and i dont know about you guys,, but if i was god,,, and i got kids.. no child..in this earth or universe would know suffering...
Chullotron 3 months ago
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vividDC 3 months ago
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12edgar1 3 months ago
Alright look: I do have an obsessive love for Christianity and Christ, which is why I am studying the historical Jesus right now. I am not against Christianities per se. I fume with rage over the doctrine of eternal hell, that is all. So blatantly unenlightened people must have black hearts to subscribe to it. With afterlife we speak of Ultimacy, not Earthly Things, remember? (no they don't understand this!). God Bless All Christians, Jews & Moslems!
As for me, I'll take Alan Watts...
MushroomedAnymore 4 months ago
An omnibenevolent "God" would have designed Human and Universe in such a way that all Souls eventually get saved. Consciousness thrown into eternal suffering in hell is obviously wasted and the situation is sheer evil. At least the Hindu "God" brings everyone to Love through Karma and Reincarnation. That is a perfect match for Omibenevolance and Omniscience. Eliminate Islam, Christianity and Judaism and the world would be better off. Jerusalem is a lunatic asylum. Thank Yahweh for WWIII!!
MushroomedAnymore 4 months ago
If the Christian God is real, and there is a Heaven, and Christ returns to the Earth, and we are all judged, how would I, as a Buddhist, be judged?
I do not believe Christ's godhood in the same way as Christians (i.e., Christ is god insomuch as we are all God), and I do not believe in a supreme cosmic ego. So therefore, having lived as virtuous a life as I could, refusing to do harm, will your God still damn me to burn in Hell for all eternity?
If so, perhaps that is not a very loving God.
BodhiGamer 4 months ago
@BodhiGamer "how would I, as a Buddhist, be judged?”
as a buddhist you are judged on your actions and intentions.
If you do something bad, you get bad karma, if you do something Good you get good karma.
Over your life time you collect both, and when you die the karma is weighted and determines your rebirth. Obviously good karma puts you in a better position, bad karma in a worse. If sever you might make a transition to another kingdom (animal, spirit, a hell, etc)
BaneOfAzrael 4 weeks ago
thats your problem u want to be greater than creator spreading your self belief,you will burn learn!
tonybadham 4 months ago
you talk pure stupidity!
tonybadham 4 months ago
further more,how will u be reincarnated to earth when is completely destroyed and on fire,u will be eternaly stuck in the nothing,i used to be buddist b4 that toasit 899,000 times b4 u reach nirvana and break out of the birth and death cycle of samsara,rather u than me yahushua is the only way to the father only when u die will u know this,its a shame u really think u know it all and the truth but you are far from it and too far gone,ul be gutted when the father tells u i do not know you good by
tonybadham 4 months ago
all of the babylon system we live in will fall,come out of her my ppl is the fathers words!the whole world was decieved and whored after the beast,satans best trick must be islam like many others alike,there is only one way and saviour to the father through his son,the line will be drawn,the narrow gate is closeing,many are called few are choosen,the son will come and reign a 1000yrs peace on this earth,then the father will come to earth from heaven to be with HIS children 4 ever more so b it
tonybadham 4 months ago
@tonybadham theology the future mythology(just like the old greek mythology). you cant deny science.
buddhabastard 1 month ago
@buddhabastard try palio hebrew,shalom!
tonybadham 1 month ago
yea ur right m8 i wonder what the holiness says will happen lmao all the best sixth seal will open soon good luck i hope budda helps u x
tonybadham 4 months ago
@tonybadham who cares what the dali lama says he's a leader of a cult tibetan buddhism make up only 2 percent of all Buddhists,and their tantras are heretical,the Buddha will always help us it is his eternal nature.how can an immmoal deity save u?1 sam 15:1-3,DUET 13:6-18,EX 21:7,NUM 15:32-36,EX 31:14,LEV 20:9,DUET 21:18-21,matt 15:4-7,2 KINGS 2:23-24,JUDGES 11:30-40,LEV 24:15-23,ISIAH 13:15-19 and the list goes on and on,how can a devil who pretends to be the higher being save u?
Buddhist1986 4 months ago
The True Gospel is this,.The Son of The Father Most High,.King O'Israel,.is going to Return to This Earth,.He's going to raise the dead in The Resurrection and judge accordingly,.and He is going to set Up His Fathers Kingdom, here, on THIS EARTH (not Heaven) and RULE it FOREVER and EVER,..in a time that Only The Father Knows,He Himself The Father Almighty shall leave HisHeaven Come Down Here , and JUDGE His Son,..and Will Dwell Here on Earth with us His Children,read it ..and REJOICE, SO B IT
tonybadham 4 months ago
@tonybadham wont happen.
Buddhist1986 4 months ago
@tonybadham sound like you are a person who believing and worshiping a diet or a god. You are belong to a cast or a group. Believing in blind faith is illogical for me. You are your own person why don't you try to be an individual and create your own destiny, be a self motivator. I don't think you will be happy in the kingdom of heaven as you have mentioning. Suffering is not reserve for human only, but also extending to godhood himself. As long you are existing, you are prone to suffering
Sorphaq 4 months ago
this guy is an anti-christian JEW posing as a buddhist
AeonBlue07 5 months ago
@AeonBlue07 What does being jewish have to do with anything?
Bakmoon 5 months ago
@Bakmoon I was wondering when someone was going to ask that. Hell I was wondering who the 1st retard was going to be that would use the word Jew in a negative context. Like rednecks have nothing better to do.
bailong329 5 months ago
@Bakmoon nothing. but being a zionist has to do with a lot. and him potentially being jewish, spikes the odds of him being zionist. Hope this helps
mishn90 5 months ago
@mishn90 I think that he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Besides, what's the likelyhood that he is a crypto-Jew who pretends to be a Buddhist? What would he gain from that ? I just don't understand, thats all. By the way, could you explain what you mean exactly by the term zionist? A lot of people use it to mean diferent things, and I would like some clarification if you wouldn't mind.
Bakmoon 5 months ago
@Bakmoon okay so it doesn't SPIKE the odds necesarilly. i was struggling with how to put it. there are many jewish people who aren't zionist, and then there are gentiles who are zionist, too. i don't actually know the ratio between zionist and non-zionist, among the jewish. what i mean by zionist is pro-state of israel. there are some good vids on youtube about the talmud, which to some jews, is their most revered book, and there's some pretty scary stuff in there, if you're a non-jew.
mishn90 5 months ago
@mishn90 actually, the vast majority of Israel supporters are Christian Fundamentalists who believe that the only way to bring the end of the world is to have a violent showdown in the middle east. Most Jews support a state of Israel, but accept that the Palestinians should get a state too. I don't think that is 'Zionist'. By the way, most of the videos and websites on the talmud are tottaly made up, citing non-existant books of the Talmud.
Bakmoon 5 months ago
@Bakmoon you're arguing against a point i never made. and what youre saying is totally untrue about most of them being christian fundamentalists. are you talking about real deal fundamentalists, or members of the US government? because they're not actually christian. if you don't think i correctly defined zionism, then why don't you correctly define it for us? ANY supporting of the state of israel is zionism. The state of israel actually thrives on racism towards the jewish people.
mishn90 5 months ago
@mishn90 Sorry. I only mentioned the Fundamentalists because we were talking about ratios of Zionists. I think that I may have overreacted to you because of misunderstanding language. Usually when I hear the term Zionism, I take it to mean the idea that Israel should occupy the entire region and that the Arabs should be expelled, or the Dome of the Rock should be demolished, etc... rather than simple support for the existence of Israel.
Bakmoon 5 months ago
@Bakmoon revisionisthistory (.) org/talmudtruth (.) html < < < all of the articles i've read that attempted to refute this one, all failed miserably. what makes you so sure you're right? have you had the chance to read an actual talmud?
mishn90 5 months ago
@mishn90 I haven't recently read from it. From all but one criticism I have come across, I haven't been able to find the quote because the citation was just made up altogether. The one exception was a quote taken greatly out of context which stated that "it is nothing" for a three year old girl to be molested. In context however, it is clear that it is refering to the fact that the girl is innocent of any wrong doing. It is nothing to her concience, in other words.
Bakmoon 5 months ago
@mishn90 By the way, I might wan't to point out that I am not Jewish. I am a Buddhist. The only reason why I know about the Talmud is that studying various religions is a hobby of mine. Also, I don't see how supporting the existence of the State of Israel is bad. I know that the Israeli gov't can be trigger happy at times and its military can be heavy handed, but blaming it on the Jews is an oversimplification, just like overseas people blame americans for the Bush administrations policies.
Bakmoon 5 months ago
@AeonBlue07 i think you're right. lol nice eyes
mishn90 5 months ago
*die*
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
*scholars*
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
I AM GOD,I AM GOD so says the logic of baillong for IF god and jesus are ONE that means JESUS is GOD then if it also says i and GOD/jesus are ONE that also MEANS IM GOD,IM GOD,say it baillong form ur own logic IM GOD.u are also GOD,u and god are ONE also so U ARE GOD too.WE CAN ALL BE GOD(JOHN 17:20-23)IM GOD and ur GOD,and we are ALL GOD,being ONE with Buddha was where jesus got this also whenhe said father he was talking about being ONE with Buddha CHAPT 3 LOTUS SUTRA(we had it first)
Buddhist1986 6 months ago
YEA HE SAID HE AND GOD ARE ONE to say they are the SAME,JOHN 17:20-23 (((((THAT THEY MAY BE IN US)))))),I IN THEM AND YOU IN ME,THAT THEY MAY BECOME PERFECTLY ONE,yea thats right baillong IM ONE WITH GOD that means I AM GOD so says jesus.thats right baby IM GOD from UR OWN LOGIC.
Buddhist1986 6 months ago
in all those verses all u did was show ur deity allowed u to own slaves WOW also,in the jewish bible translated into english it does use the WORD RAPE in ZECH 14:1-2 WHAT NOW?????ur deity sent men to RAPE WOMEN,and OWN SLAVES which u admit with no problem,YEA he and the father ARE ONE he aslo SAYS JOHN 17:20-23 I AND MY FOLLOWERS ARE ONE so are his followers also GOD ,yea jesus is one with the father and one with us so we are ALL GOD YEA.I BUDDHIST1986 AM IN THE FATHER SO I MUST BE GOD ALSO.
Buddhist1986 6 months ago
heck i bet if their was a verse in the bible where ur deity told men to hold down 6yr old boys and rape them u would find some way to JUSTIFY it also,u would make up some lame excuse like u do all the other sick things u justify,hey its okay to stab infants and rape women,and own slaves cause god said so,heck u can jusyify all that whats next child molestation?NUM 31:17-18WHAT it says to KILL all the female children who have been MOLESTED but KEEP the VIRGIN girls for urselves U SEXUAL PERVERTS
Buddhist1986 6 months ago
like i said baillong show me these RAPE laws that use the word "RAPE" if it doesnt say RAPE in the verse BY UR OWN LOGIC it must not be talking about rape:)
jesus also NEVER said I AM GOD can u show me where he said I AM GOD so obviously thats FAKE,i can show u where jesus said I(as in me and u) ARE GODS=YE ARE GODS=JESUS:) ill get off the moral high horse when u get on it:)
Buddhist1986 6 months ago
its funny how u can say that those verses are not about RAPE cause it doesnt use the word "RAPE" but then u can say their are RAPE laws in the bible even thought they dont use the word"rape" its even more histerical to say those RAPE laws are clear as day but OBVIOUSLY when it says ur deity sent men to RAVISH women and RIP out their babies(isiah chap 13) its OBVIOUSLY not rape nor forced (ABORTION) or child murder and its not CLEAR AS DAY,*sighs* christian morality & reasoning for u.
Buddhist1986 6 months ago
@Buddhist1986 first of all if woman were raped then why not say rape or sexually take, sexually assault, and they do use the word rape I will give an example Deuteronomy 22:24 to 26 if a woman is raped and noone stops him he will die Deuteronomy 22:27 to 29 same thing happens but caught he must pay 50 shekels of silver must be payed to the father and he must marry her and cannot devorce not ever for as long as HE lives meaning even if she dies he is still pledged to her. these say it clear as _
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 as day and as law. Revealing what I have said all along making you wrong. That rape was a capital offence that is punishable even with death. But does it say rape in this context what does the law say it says NO. According to Deut 23:17- to 18 they couldn't even be used as prostitutes and Lev 19:20 to 22 says they can't sleep together outside of marriege in which case she has to be freed in Deut 21:13 and 14 female slaves taken in war as wives had 1 month to mourn their family_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 if they were divorced they were freed no questions asked and they couldn't be sold to anyone else. if abused they were automatically freed and the master is punished Exodus 21:26 to 27 ( and rape was considered abuse and as stated before punishable) and Deut 23:15 to 16 states ANY slave who flees from their OPPRESSIVE MASTERS must be freed automatically. and I applied these laws to them because it says in Leviticus 24:22 and Numbers 15:15 to 16 the law applied to them as well not_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 it doesnt actually say the word RAPE in those verses also the TANAKA says in ZECH 14:1-2 uir deity sent men to RAPE the women,the SAME in ISIAH 13 so what now the HEBREW bible uses the word RAPE for these verses so u are incorrect yet again?????also in DUET 22:27-29 this is saying the woman must marry her RAPIST cause she isnt bethrophed(and cant get a man to marry her now cause she has been "deflowered" so the father pawns her off to the rapist WOW see what i mean christian morals.
Buddhist1986 6 months ago
@Buddhist1986 That all depends on the translation. I went through 5 different versions of the bible and all 5 use the word Rape. So your not arguing your way out of this one. And these words actually suggest rape thats the difference between the scriptures you use which don't even use even a word that suggests it and the verses in Deuteronomy complain all you want but thats the way it is. Like it or not you are still wrong. So either drop it or get lost don't care. No thats what Duet 22:27means_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 because you just disregarded what a Shekel is. A silver shekel if you were to put it in modern US currency varies in weight but it in the ancient times cuz it was more rare then gold in the Mid East but sources place it at around 80 US dollars 80 x 50 is 4000 US dollars and back then that was alot. So that was punishment because that law put you in debt to the father. So not only did you have to marry the daughter you were also the fathers slave.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 so its not a pawning its a settlement deal as well as set up for becoming a slave to the father. It allowed the owning of slaves but it also had strict laws to their treatment as Leviticus says they have to be treated as Israelites no exceptions. I know where you are going with that argument and according to leviticus like it or not your still wrong because the law protected slaves from abuse end of story so drop it. It also says that because the diciples chose him then they are_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 friends of god. This case the term one refers to relationship. He is one with god and has a relationship as son and father. Hence why the pharisees interpreted it correctly and notice Jesus never once denied it. Him being one with his diciples shows relationship through friendship and brethren. In many churches this is why members greet each other as bro and sis. So your still wrong and trying to get around the language like what your trying to do isn't going to help so youstilllost_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 what you say is correct but your interpretation is incorrect. You are not one with god. because if you are at one then you have a relationship. Therefore you are not god because you are not APART of him. The proof of this is in Jesus's referance to god he never set himself seperate from him relationshipwise he set him in relationship by calling him father. IF BEING ONE WASN'T ABOUT RELATIONSHIP AND TO BE ONE YOU MUST BE IN RELATIONSHIP THEN WHY DOES JESUS USE FATHER IN THIS CONTEXT.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 The reason is in John 5:22" the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him." and in John 12 he says "He who sees Me sees the One who sent Me." So here he is mentioning a preexisting relationship through the last part " one who sent me" and he identifies father and son relationship through the words as well not in metaphor but _
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 clear speech. So you are wrong here because if you have no relationship with god then your not apart of god and therefore you are not god end of story. So from my own logic you still haven't figured out why you can't get around my arguments. Your last comment just shows your frustrated, ignorant, and your still dumb. Wow I must have stepped on your nerves because you don't sound rational anymore. I think its because you know you have lost HAHAHAHHAHAHA.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 no buddhy i actuall own a jewsih american version of the old testant it says ur deity sent men to RAPE WOMEN in ZECH 14:1-2 ISIAH 13 so u cant argue ur way out of this one,the tanaka doesnt even have a new testament ONLY an OLD TEST and its for american english speaking JEWS it is more credible than ANY (watered down translation u have)so like it or not ur are still wrong.
Buddhist1986 6 months ago
@Buddhist1986 thats only one translation. Haven't you learned anything of how I studied the bible. I never use one version I use multiple. You know how many different versions of the bible I read 4. NIV, KJV, ASB, MSG. and if I am ever curious about any other version I always go to biblegateway dotcom. Even using a Jewish American version and I am here to tell you does not help if you don't know how ancient hebrew works. Which I also look up. The laws do say no raping allowed_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 the people who translate the bible know it, the people who study the bible make us aware of it, historical scholars are aware of it, and everybody else who knows how ancient hebrew works knows it. Your not getting around this. It says rape everybody knows it accepts it so drop it. if Zech 14:12 points to rape then why does every other translation I am reading and even the commentaries about it suggest it is in referance to a disease and people fighting each other?_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 even the direct hebrew translation suggests this is a message from god saying hands off and anyone that tries to fight it will be plagued with violence and disease. So your the one that not getting around this. So just give it up. It doesn't say rape alright. And Isaiah 13 is still talking about Cyrus not hebrews and it says THEY not I will, or I will command, or I will give order it says they even the Hebrew translation shows it as a group independent of gods will so just give itup.
bailong329 6 months ago
buddhist1986 your pride is now costing you your sanity. The simple fact is you don't want it to be true and all your insistance isn't going to change it from being true which is what your doing. So either go to the nearest lunatic asylum and have yourself committed, or swollow your pride, learn a little humility and accept the fact that you are wrong cuz your pride is the only thing keeping you from your sanity.
bailong329 6 months ago
@Buddhist1986 Isaiah 13 is in referance to a NON-JEWISH PEOPLE called the Medians led by CYRUS THE GREAT. Its prophecising the end of Babylon from the eyes of Isaiah who lived during the Captivity. Was Cyrus a Jew or a Believer in god lets see what the history books say well it says he was a ZOROASTRIAN in other words he worshiped Mazda not Yahweh MORON. Does the Isaiah say he will command Cyrus to ravish and dash children to the walls no he doesn't he just says his Army will MORON.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 I thought you were taught attention to detail moron it says " THEY WILL" as in his army it does not say " I will command" oh yes he does quote All men are gods he also says in the same chapter and Book John 10:30 I and the father are one meaning they are one in the same. He is god. What you expected it to be word for word thats why I call you moron. The line you are gods is a quote from Psalms 82:5 to 7 Which talks about the foreign gods and the people who follow god_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 it describes those who follow the foreign gods as walking in darkness and the people who follow god are gods because they are the sons of the most high but they will die because they are mortel. So it is a metaphor of the sacredness of the believer. But this is Jesus's defence this wasn't what started the trouble it was when he declared that HE AND GOD ARE ONE that they are the same, and the Jews accurately translate it as Jesus is god but Jesus never denies it hence it was correct.
bailong329 6 months ago
THATS CHRISTIAN LOGIC FOR U
Buddhist1986 6 months ago
ill respond to ur propaganda with simple UNDENIABLE FACTS from ur bible i hope this helps you out,do u ever get tired of worshiping a deity that tells men to hack infants to peices 1 SAm 15:1-3,says u can own slaves and beat them EX 21:7,EX 21:20-21,says to kill gays LEV 20;13,and to kill ur own mom if she changes religions DUET 13:6-9 and to KILL people who try to preach their relgion to u DUET 13:9-18,LEV 24:16 kill those who speak bad about ur deity NOW THIS IS TRUTH
Buddhist1986 6 months ago
@Buddhist1986 If you accept these as undeniable facts and use that as reason to condemn it as a whole then I bet you also condemn democracy cuz of corruption despite the fact that their are laws that condemn such action. I will also bet you condemn charity work because of how many charity embezzlement scams there are ( not just religious I am just talking in general), or I will also bet you condemn your own religion cuz of the teaching of contentment ( btw if your wondering where this is from_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 A former Burmese Soldier and defector) anyway the teaching of contentment allows people to excuse anything out of religious teaching. Point is you have listed scriptures that do exist but I wonder why you didn't list the scriptures that produced justification, and even other scriptures that showed that people could escape penalty of the law through atonement in those same books. You even failed continuously and I am convinced you still haven't worked up the courage to look it up_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 that slavery as we know it today WAS not the same as slavery back then, if you were slave you were treated much better and in most cases we have NONBIBLICAL examples of people VOLUNTARILY becoming slaves cuz they were taken care of. If they were being mistreated then why are they VOLUNTEERING for it. You still haven't gotten past THESE FACTS. There are other facts you have also overlooked including those from simple ancient languages books and dictionaries you can find anywhere.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 propaganda right! Your the one that keeps hoping nobody notices all of the research you DIDN'T DO. I believe that is called GREY PROPAGANDA. If your from the army then you know what that is its incomplete truth mixed with bullshit that can't be confirmed academically cuz it is either difficult to find anyway or it is easy to find but the people who believe the Grey Propaganda are too stupid, simple minded, and lazy to look it up and do the research themselves.
bailong329 6 months ago 2
@bailong329 LIE! there were servants and SLAVES. Ex 21:20-21 Beat male and female slaves to death..hmm seems the same as it was back when christians used the bible to justify slavery in the bible belt.
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Christians also used the bible to attack slavery cuz it also proposes to slaves that if they have an opportunity to get their freedom then they should take it. LIE if they beat their constantly then why do we have historical accounts of people VOLUNTARILY becoming slaves? Denying ain't going to make any less of a truth. it is there whether you accept it or not you still have that problem. The law says they can but it doesn't mean they did it constantly.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 In federal law marajuana is an illegal substance, but how many states have allowed it to be used for medicinal purposes, or how about this one federal law actually allows for the death penalty to be used but how many states actually use the death penalty? Point is just cuz the law says it doesn't mean it happened always, and if we have historical evidence and even documented examples of people voluntarily becoming slaves then that suggests that beatings only happened onrareoccasions_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 and only in certain circumstances and if you are volunteering to be a slave then why would you join knowing well you would be disobedient? Logically the person would rather face starvation then be a slave yet you have such examples you argument about this isn't with me its with the historical records that you can research at any university that has an in depth history department so if you have problem with this fact then take it there not to me.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 lol yeah and christians use the bible to attack abotion when the bible supports abortion. Bible support FORCE LABOR deut 20:10-11 and BEATING SLAVES TO DEATH ex 21:20-21...... :(
Bible also supports murder ,rape,chld rape,killing gays,not leeting women have rights....so good thing america isnt a christian country ran by the bible .
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Again do we actually see examples of slave beatings happening anywhere in the OT? Again your argument isn't with me its with the historical documents which back me up. If people are VOLUNTEERING then you can quote exodus all you want it still suggests that it didn't happen that much. Same with forced labor although it happened on rare occasions it only happened to aggressors of Israel. And how do they support rape when the law condemns it?
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 murder condemned by death unless accidental, rape if not caught in the act condemned by death if not caught forcibly married otherwise death, so it sounds to me that if they were laws condemning the act and even had punishments that satisfied offended parties then it didn't support it it CONDEMNED IT nice try but playing your word games still ain't going to work and persuade others from not looking up these facts. And if woman didn't have rights then why in Ruth do we see_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 example of a family of woman ( a mother and daughter- in law) demonstrating full rights. Even in Leviticus you see the law ALLOWING woman to have rights if there are no men in the family you even have examples of other woman like Deborah in Judges who were authority figures and prophets. Kings and Chronicles also had them. Sounds like they had plenty of rights and the law allowed them to have it. According to the law YOU CAN be subordinate to a husband and still have rights.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 Woman in Israelite society did that and were even allowed to have an opinion nothing in the law said they couldn't it only said they have to be subordinate to the husband thats it. So in your pathetic attempt at trying to criminalize the religion you've proven again that you didn't take everything into account like a moron.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 ex 21:20-21 YES WE DO SEE SLAVES BEATING IN THE OT. lmao
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Exodus 21 only mentions the law. I mean actual instances thanks for proving your stupid again this time I was straight forward with what I was saying. Plus you still have the problem of people volunteering for being slaves which suggests it wasn't a common practice even though the law allowed it. Can you prove that it was a common practice? Even if you could you still have the problem of explaining why people were volunteering.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 umm the fact that it was a law shows it was happening back then. Even if it never happened it was still a law of god. Like I told Blacksolar,you both make me sick so I am done talking to you. You call rape good...whats the point in talking to someone that calls rape and killing babies good? Talking to you is like talking to a rapist that has no remorse. goodbye .
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 How many times have I heard that one. You must have short term memory because every time you say that sooner or later we are back at it. Even if it was if it never happened then its just like the death penalty it only happened for certain circumstances. The only reason your mad is because you can't get around that fact.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 I am done talking to you because you are a sick person that needs help....poor thing :(
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Well you know the saying the stray dog is never going away if you don't stop giving him food.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 ok dont stop talking to me..I love kicking your ass in debate..just like Shockofgod :)
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 ah excuse me but how is not getting around my arguments kicking my ass. You could't beat me in the historical context. You couldn't beat me in the biblical. You still insist rape was involved and I don't see any indication of rape. You say the laws were cruel and used unjust methods of punishment even though neighboring nations used even crueler methods and even harsher laws. You argued they beat their slaves yet you never showed an example of such an act that displayed cruelty_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 in fact I even mentioned a historical truth which was people volunteered to be slaves which revealed that this treatment was more like the death penalty here if it was used at all it was used for specific circumstances therefore slaves were treated vary well. You never even made an attempt to attack this argument as if ignoring it made it less of a truth all it did was make it a brick wall you couldn't overcome and just like a wall in an inconvenient place you just said it was still_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 cruel. Except how is it cruel when people are volunteering for it? There is a social factor you kept trying to ignore cuz you knew it threatened your position. It seems to me that if anybody is kicking anybodies ass its me kicking yours and all I have written is proof. It seems the only debate you won is the one I just made you lose HAHAHAHAHAAHA.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 i feel sorry for u.
Buddhist1986 6 months ago
@Buddhist1986 I feel sorry for you cuz you still haven't shown that you know what a history book is for.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 please history is only written by the victors,i feel sorry for u cause u defend immoral teachings that have hurt so many people,its not good to have a mind that thinks its good and justifiable to stab infants or rape women FOR ANY REASON,this is why i pity u.
Buddhist1986 6 months ago
@Buddhist1986 And when history books take into account records from the other side and all corroborating sources then its an uncontested fact. Something you still haven't learned by now. And I am still waiting for a scripture that says the word " rape". And in those days (KEY WORDS THOSE DAYS) if someone raided you and killed off the weaker ones in a cowardly act and they never repent of it then they got themselves annhilated. And it had to be that way in those days otherwiseyouwouldbeannhilated
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 their must not be any "rape" laws cause they dont actually use the word rape right?*sigh*repent for ur immoral views.
Buddhist1986 6 months ago
@Buddhist1986 Oh really no rape laws then why do I see some in Deuteronemy Leviticus and numbers in there it says it clear as day try again. What do think those are there for huh to make it look pretty. In fact these laws were harsh because thats how it needed to be in that environment. You need to repent for being on the damn high horse when your far from being moral yourself.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 no bailong u are wrong their are NO rape laws in the bible where does it say the word "RAPE"where does it say "RAPE" bailong?? can u provide ONE verse where it says the WORD RAPE???i guess by ur logic if it doesnt say the word "rape" then its not talking about it.how come u are contradicting urself? "And I am still waiting for a scripture that says the word " rape". YOUR WORDS NOT MINE,ZECH 14:1-2 IS RAPE,ISIAH 13:5-18 is RAPE,wanna play a word game ITS AS CLEAR AS DAY:)
Buddhist1986 6 months ago
@bailong329 yourself. This is not 21st century people we are talking about this is 20th century BCE. Today is much more forgiving then that time if your nation let raids go without reprisal you know what happened? You got killed off thats what happened no exceptions. Stop trying to kid yourself by thinking it was anything but that it was exactly that way. If you don't like that fact thats your problem but pretending people back then were anything like today is naive.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 We even have archaeology to back this up don't pretend its not there. Since when has that tactic helped you. If nothing else it makes you look more stupid because its obvious this was not a time where live and let live worked in fact it never worked. I kept trying to show you that numerous times but like a neutered dog you didn't get it. Instead you tried to demonize it further and refused to take anything into account showing just how stupid you are. Thats why Ikeepcallingyoustupid
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 the fact that christian parents used the bible to justify beating their kids to death proves the bible is evil and WE WIN THE DEBATE=YOU LOST. But knwoing you ,you will call killing disobedient children moral.
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 And still the laws condemn such actions ( look up the penalty for murder in biblical law) in fact the law put both children and adults under the same law. Including fatal injuries. So YOU STILL LOST THE DEBATE and I told you before the statistic of domestic abuse isn't even 40% its 31%. I love the way you tried to generalise it knowing full well what the statistics really are. It seems to me like your desperately trying anything to catch me offguard and failing miserably.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 I am sorry but you lost the debate cause the bible says to kill your children..and those christian parents did. And if Jesus is god because they are one then Jesus disciples are also god because John 17:20-23 Jesus said they are one with him. Bible does condone rape and beating slaves to death =WE WIN THE BIBLE IS EVIL.
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Funny how you didn't use any scripture that time,and I also noticed that whenever you do that it shows you actually don't want to admit you lost because of your pride. So in other words all you did was just tell me I WON AHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA Thank you for admitting you lost and the bible is good HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 here is the scripture- Lev 20:9,Deut 21:18-21,matt 15:4-7 so looks like i won :)
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Lev 20:2 in referance to human sacrifice of your children penalty is death, if a slave is beaten to death the owner is “punished” — not necessarily killed. If the slave survives the beating then there is no punishment. (Gen 9:6, Ex 21:12, Numb 35:16-21) so looks like I won the slave abuse argument. As for the Child Abuse argument everybody was put under the same law. Therefore if a child is beaten to death then the instigator is in violation of the law Exodus21:12 to 14 Lev24:17_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 thats only murder not accidental death. So it looks like I won :) HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 okay bailong u defend rape and stabbing children and u win...........what did u win?i care less about winning which is why i hardly talk to u.in truth Buddhists are reasonable moral people,so when u defend those things in ur bible Buddhists see what u are defending,in truth i just ask u a question and post a verse and i let u scare away everyone with ur defense of immoral teachings,so enjoy what u think is a victory in truth ur the best player on our team :)
Buddhist1986 6 months ago
@bailong329 Lev 20 :2 doesnt debunk lev 20:9 and deut 21:18-21. Ex 21:20-21 If a slave dies right away the owner in punished but if the slave survives a day or two after the beating the owner of the slave is not to be punished. Sorry but the THOU SHALL NOT KILL only applies to the people that have rights ..and dont forget that almost every punishment for breaking the 10 commandments is DEATH. God said to beat you kid to death ..so you lost sorry.
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 the fact that both lev 20:2 and Lev 20:9 however puts it in proper context in the sense that they are about proper treatment of each other and their is a sacredness with children and parents if this sacredness is not honored then its sacrilege. And actually slaves did have rights under the Jewish Law according to Lev 25:39 to 43 they had to be treated as hired workers no exceptions. Oh really every punishment then how come I see laws in Lev and Deut that says to beat someone_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 actually jew slaves had rights ..nonjew slaves didnt. beating someone to death isnt rights .the bible is full fo contradictions so they makes me win even more.
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Oh really nonjew slaves didn't then why do I see a scripture in Lev 24:22 and Numbers 15:15 to 16 that says they had the same rights as jewish slaves? Even Ex 23:9 made it clear that just because they were foreigners it didn't mean they were inferiors. Contradictions right sounds like your making excuses again to justify not studying thoroughly enough so that makes me the winner even more. HAHAHAHAHA you want to try again?
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 Lev 24:22 is talking about blasphemy and both those verses are not talking about slaves. The bible does say you can kidnap people and make them slaves..and that you can beat female and male slaves to death. you lose. Yes your bible is full of contradictions which proves the bible is bs even more. Lev 25:39-43 actually shows the nonjew slaves had no rights.
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Not according to Ex 21:13 and any slave that is beaten is punishable so you still lose. Your trying to get around this fact and the law still stands. Contradiction is just an excuse not to study the bible the way its suppose to be studied. I don't what your reading into the scripture or what warped version of the bible your reading but I am staring at Lev 25 right now and it says nonjew slaves had the same rights and Lev 24:22 is in referance to treatment of Foreign slaves_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 saying to yourself its not its not its not isn't going to change the fact that it is. I don't know what warped version of the bible your reading but if it doesn't say that then its not correctly tranlated and thats why I gave you 2 count them 2 scriptures refering to the same thing so they are not a contradiction your just making an excuse not to study it.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 42 For they are my servants, which I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: they shall not be sold as bondmen.
43 Thou shalt not rule over him with rigour(ex 21:20-21 =nonjew); but shalt fear thy God.
44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Yeah looks like an excuse to me because that is not in referance to slavory. You just proved for me that your making excuses if you look at the WHOLE CHAPTER its in referance to the sacredness of the Israelites and they need to live LAWFULLY to maintain that sacredness, and verse 44 there is no verse 44 its exodus 21:1 to 36 I am staring right at it. So you just proved again your going to make any excuse to not study it.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 you havent studied it because shcolars agree the slave laws changed over time as the bible was written. ex 21:7 i selling you daughter as a sex slave. ex 21:16 contradicts deut 20:10-11 where they kidnapped people. lev 25 shows that jews were not beaten but nonjews were.
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 According to skeptics who would take the word of only scholars who are just as dumb and ignorant as you. And exodus does not say Sex slave because according to the same laws not only was that grounds for divorce it was also grounds for the woman to be executed. And taking captives is not kidnapping because to kidnap is synanomous with ransom. YOU ARE NOT GETTING AROUND THE SCRIPTURES. GIVE IT UP. There is no shame in admitting you are wrong. The scriptures I showed actually say_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 the nonjews were protected under the law no matter what you say. Now give it up. You lost now swollow your pride and accept it.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 lol really cause the law says they werent .yeah that actually is a law to sell your daughter as a sex slave. taking someone by force is kidnap. marrying a captive is RAPE. LOL so know you are condoning beating kids? BTW ex 21:20-21 is beatin so badly they did after two days. the bible condones beating your kid to death. ..and christian parents actually followed that which makes me and buddhist 1986 right the bible is evil.
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@bailong329 if you read the talmud you would see that the jews didnt even consider gentilles as human. ex 21:13 again for someone that had rights..remember thou shall not kill and all those laws telling the jews to kill? CONTRADICTIONS.
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 And if you read Exodus 23:9 you see that foreigners were not inferiors. And for someone who thinks they know alot about the law obviously and clearly just proved you don't anything about the word Kill in ancient Hebrew. THERE IS NO GENERAL WORD FOR KILL LIKE IN MODERN ENGLISH. In fact in the 10 commandments the direct translation is murder. Kill is always a 2 partical word with one character for death and the other being the conjugation involving the means how do we know its_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 because Deut 5:17 is a continuation of the thou shalt not kill commandment and it specifically talks about in direct referance to murder, not execution, not selfdefence not even war.If you even look up the meaning of the word Ratsach (murder) all translations refer directly to murder. Contradiction yeah right. Looks like proof to me your making more excuses.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 really so if the foreigners werent oppressed then how come we see in ex 21:20-21 they were ruled over with a rigour? god said stone people to death -Jesus said dont =contradiction. God said everyone has to die for their own sin but god sent jesus to die for our sins=contradiction. god said dont kidnap=god said kidnap. god said dont MURDER=god murdered people.Jesus said dont pray in public ..jesus said pray in public. no one knows jesus' real last words as he dying with asphyxiation
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Thats because Jesus said in the story of the woman at the well a time was here and now where it didn't matter where to worship or prey. God sent Jesus to die so people would not have to die for there sin not contradiction. We can play these games all you want it is not going to change the fact that there are scriptures which show that its not a contradiction you just don't want to look them up, and if it says that the foreigners were oppressed then I don't see it in there and _
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 I just looked at 5 different versions of the bible. It doesn't say with rigour. In fact what it does say in all 5 versions is that it shows a referance to another scripture that the master is ultimately responsible for the welfare of the slave and if he mistreats him then it is the master who will face punishment. So it reinforces what I HAVE BEEN SAYING.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 lol how is being beat not being oppressed?
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 Soldiers get beaten for dicipline in many countries they still beat their troops, children got beaten alot of times to get them to learn wisdom and what they did was not only wrong but it angers people, Slaves got beaten but here is the thing and the law is clear. If the beating is taken to far then the instigator has committed murder and is to be sentenced to death or severe punishment. Oppression is just to make you stay in your place its not to make you grow or learn wisdom.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 thats actually what we now call rehabilitation in the prison system. If people were beaten but they grew in wisdom whether its slave, troop, or child and learns wisdom then its not oppression. I was diciplined never harshly but I learned wisdom as a result of it. My brothers became drug users and stopped after their friends died from ODing and they had to dicipline themselves to stop in some respects quite harshly. My brother leterally quite cold turkey by locking himself inhisroom-_
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 for almost a month and starving himself. Did he oppress himself or did he learn to dicipline himself and control his addiction. It seems to me that these were extreme methods just to stop an addiction and damn near almost killed one of them but they grew in wisdom and became better men.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 and I am no exception I know wisdom comes from discipline and I will even follow my brothers example and punish myself if I do something I shouldn't have done just to keep myself from doing it again. I actually kept myself awake 48 hours just because I was being lazy and my fiance complained about it. Even she thought it was unnecessary and tried to talk me out of it.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 again that will NEVER justify beating someone..esp to death.
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 and the bible is in agreement with you. Thats why the law says what it says. You beat someone to death and your responsible you pay for it.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 no the jews beat slaves to death they were only punished if the slave died right away.
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989 thats right so they were held personnally responsible for their welfare. So by your own admission I am right.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 no they were allowed to BEAT people to death ..I am right the bible is EVIL
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@bailong329 Remember that christian girl I told you my husband talked to ? well her family BEAT HER like the bible says but now she took all of her christian stuff off her Youtube and is now looking into buddhism. HA and you say we are wasting our time when we helped so many people. I actually had my own cusin disown me yetserday for not writing a comment about the bible on facebook..and her bf called me a "sick little fuck" whcih makes no sense cause he couldnt tell me how I am sick lol.
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
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@DarkBeauty1989 If it the beating left a permanent mark then the family is in violation of the law so you are wasting your time so it sounds like all your huffing and puffing is coming with a price and in your arrogance you it hasn't hit you yet what that is. And like I said saying it does doesn't change the fact that it doesn't so you are wrong. Did you know that the law also required every Israelite to have a complete copy of the law and each Israelite was responsible for studying it in its_
bailong329 6 months ago
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@bailong329 entirety? Oh yes thats where the Torah Scroll came from. The idea was that every Israelite knew every subsection every law, every by-law and even how to repent of each violation. You can even find an english translation written the way it would have been presented. So people were well aware of what the law says and if there was a contradiction someone would have challenged it and you know what noone did not once. So that in itself varifies what I have been saying about it_
bailong329 6 months ago
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@bailong329 So long story short everyone knows the law didn't allow people to be beaten to death and noone in the bible claimed contradiction because they all had to study the same law. If you beat someone to death it counted as murder and you were sentenced to death. If you beat someone and it left a permanent mark you were in violation of the law and had to pay for it. If the bible is evil then so is the American Laws because our laws are written in similar fashion with laws, sublaws, by laws_
bailong329 6 months ago
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@bailong329 case laws, some by laws are seperated from the law itself because of related circumstances, other laws seperated into a different section and so on. You can see just by the example of our laws that if every Israelite had to study their own laws then that means all of them had to be like lawyers. Like I keep saying all contradiction is is just an excuse for not studying.
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 to death warrents execution Ex 21:13
bailong329 6 months ago
@bailong329 oh sorry I forgot to mention the name of the Burmese Soldier his name is Myo Mynt.
bailong329 6 months ago