So...you wanna rock the look, but cannot afford the price? That, my friend, is why God gave us homages - same 'look and feel' but without the big name markings. I am currently typing this whilst wearing a Rolex GMT Master II homage that is actually made in China - it is NOT a fake, as there are no Rolex markings. The same goes for Panerai, Breitling, or any other luxobrand. Granted, you wont have the name, but you will still look rich.
@breitlingsource Why are homages acceptable and replicas aren't? Homages steal everything except for the name. They steal the design to make money off it, but you don't care because at least the guy who spent a more sane $300 on the watch doesn't get to show off and say he has a Panerai, but you do! Seems like a bad reason to buy a watch.
@leavantgarage That's just my personal opinion on the issue. Many feel homages are unacceptable too. The thing is the Homage isn't doing anything illegal usually such as stealing copyrights. Its not a matter of "showing off". I don't give a damn about showing off. I buy my watches for myself only and I share pics and videos with those that are interested in it.
Real Panerais have quality and pride in craftsmanship and many have in-house movements. Something that matters to me.
@breitlingsource So the difference between right and wrong is simply a legal issue? Panerais might have quality and pride in craftsmanship, but most of them don't even have in-house movements and if $200 replicas can come so close (the one in the video is a poor example), obviously there is a huge amount of inflation in the price. I appreciate quality but people who spend so much money have seriously lost grasp of reality and are just throwing shit loads of money away because they can.
@breitlingsource So the difference between right and wrong is simply a legal issue? Panerais might have quality and pride in craftsmanship, but most of them don't even have in-house movements and if $200 replicas can come so close (the one in the video is a poor example), obviously there is a huge amount of inflation in the price. I appreciate quality but people who spend so much money have seriously lost grasp of reality and are just throwing shit loads of money away because they can.
@leavantgarage Homages are different in that they do not pretend to be what they pay homage to. For example, Stephen King paid homage to H. P. Lovecraft; Belinda Carlisle paid homage to Rita Hayworth; and so on. Does this mean that King and Carlisle are 'ripping off' Lovecraft and Hayworth? No, they are paying homage. Big difference. Besides, better to tolerate nameless homages than to see the market for fakes get so big that it becomes unstoppable, right? Think about it.
@RebelKnightCSA You're describing a different kind of thing. Paying tribute to H.P. Lovecraft in style is one thing. Making a watch look exactly like a Panerai and just not calling itself a Panerai is another IMO. However, I might advocate homages and fakes on the basis that they both arguably cause people to question the asinine prices that luxury watch manufacturers charge. Also, by your logic, it is impossible to rip off someone's idea unless you claim to be them?
@leavantgarage A valid point! Now, what makes a Panerai, Rolex, or whatever so special? That would be the quality put into the piece, right? Those names mean quality. No quality marks means there is no guarantee as to quality. The 'look and feel' is there, BUT! there is no reputation for quality behind it. No Rolex crown or whatever means the watch could be junk for all you know. That is what brings in the money for the big names - a hard earned reputation for doing it right every time.
@RebelKnightCSA Lots of watch brands have excellent reputations for quality, and they don't charge incredibly ludicrous prices (Seiko, Orient, etc). However, if a company can ask for $20,000 for a watch and get it, maybe that's a "good for them" situation, and I should be criticizing the insane person who bought it instead. But replicas 99% of the time are sold to buyers who know full well they're not getting the same level of quality [control] as a genuine watch, but they paid thousands less.
@RebelKnightCSA Lots of watch brands have excellent reputations for quality, and they don't charge incredibly ludicrous prices (Seiko, Orient, etc). However, if a company can ask for $20,000 for a watch and get it, maybe that's a "good for them" situation, and I should be criticizing the insane person who bought it instead. But replicas 99% of the time are sold to buyers who know full well they're not getting the same level of quality [control] as a genuine watch, but they paid thousands less.
@leavantgarage Continued: Your point about 'rip[ping] off someones idea' really doesn't hold up. These watches like the Panerai Marina Militare and Rolex Submariner are pretty generic in design. Something that is that generic cant be intellectual property - there are only so many ways to make a watch, right? If the luxobrands were to make something unique (like the Panerai crown guard) then that uniqueness should be respected. But generic designs are fair game, IMO.
@RebelKnightCSA Fair enough, but you sort of ruin your own argument in the end: homages *do* copy the Panerai crown guard. If you look into them, you'll find that homages are essentially replicas that haven't had the word "Panerai" printed on them or engraved. I know reps claim to be the real thing, and there's something wrong with that, but mostly I feel rich snobs only care because reps claim to be the thing that they bought as a status symbol and don't want less fortunate people in the club.
@leavantgarage Okay, now those homage makers who copy the Panerai crown guard are out of line. I will give you that. That said, the mark of quality here is the brand name and assorted marks (like the Rolex crown or Louis Vuitton monogram). When you see those, you know you have good product. THAT is what makes these luxobrands so worth it - the mark of a good, quality name that has a long-established reputation for quality craftsmanship.
@RebelKnightCSA Yes, but you're not convincing me they're worth what they cost. I don't think 'value' is determined by the seller, nor does value have anything to do with the fact that they can find some crazy person to buy it. Rather, what is it objectively worth? Not thousands of dollars.
@leavantgarage Supply and demand, friend - gotta love capitalism. :) And I agree about the price thing, which is why my "Rolex" is a homage from China.
fakes at least cost a lil bit more then it took for production, not 3000% more then material price, fakes r good, brings the overpriced material crap to logical prices.
ps: im no watch douche guy, i have a clock already on my cell
@drugsarefunkids If I bought a watch just to tell time, I would buy a cheap piece of crap. Watches are works of art, in no way does owning and wearing a nice one make you a "douche".
@moonmon I had a bronze Polluce and a Marina Militare, SO AWESOME... Anonimo is the best... I have my first Pam coming in the mail today, though, the cheap one - 111... would kill for a San Marco but I've only seen one on TZ ever (and it went for a steal, like $4K)... Anonimo is the most underrated watch manufacturer in the world and aside from some obvious design misses, at least they TAKE risks unlike Rolex or OP
Can anyone who "does not condone buying replicas" actually give a good reason to justify it? While there may be some good reasons, the reason always seems to be that it hurts the (luxury) watch industry. How exactly? No one that buys a replica for $100-$800 is going to be able to buy anything from one of these watch makers. They have taken ZERO dollars from them.
@Nayr747 Wow - that is such an ignorant statement. Theft is theft.. you are stealing from someone. Would you want a fake watch if it wasn't of such a reputable brand that a company spent years and millions creating? No, you wouldn't. Who wants a fake Fossil? No one. You want to steal the intellectual property of the copyright holders because they have created value through their hard work. Why do I have to justify that your theft is theft? wake up.
@breitlingsource To be totally honest with you, I'm surprised you gave this fake the time of day. Your time could have been better spent on a genuine timepiece. Why do I say this? Yes, because there are some good fakes out there, but I believe that with this video you could actually tempt more people into buying fakes than the number of people who could be conned and sold one. Anyone with half a brain would be crazy not to purchase through an Authorised Dealer when spending thousands of dollars.
@breitlingsource It is very helpful to buy replicas to get used to what watch you eventually want to buy! I am not ignorant! perhaps your rudness is due to your lack of education?
I nhave 20 replica andf now have 3 originals and the replicasd helped me choose which models I prefered..
Therft? the UK GAVE YES GAVE the USA the jet engine.. that was not theft but ignorant - now everyone copies the Whittle JET
Just cool it.. There are mose Swiss watch manutacturers than ever before!
@breitlingsource Fossil watches are affordable to begin with. If a real Panerai were to cost $200, I guarantee you I'd buy one. I'm not going to spend $5K on a watch, especially one with virtually nothing impressive about it other than its looks. If you can't figure out why a person would want a Panerai more than a Fossil other than the name, maybe you ought to ask yourself why the hell you bought a Panerai. Homages are still stealing everything about a watch to make money off the design.
@Nayr747 What a stupied comment to make. All fakes for a start are just looking like the real thing with no knowledge of the genuine movement or real respect. It's not a just a brand you buy but the whole watch. Why do you buy a fake Gucci?, for the name is the quailty the same as the real deal no. I know at least that my watches from Rolex to Cartier, Breitling will be there for my children too...like I still my Grandads Omega. A fake will last 5 years maybe.
@Nayr747 Plus, along with a pretty well summed-up reply from breitlingsource, most people who are fans of high end watches (regardless of their ability to afford them) simply could not live with the fact that they are wearing a fake, a fraud, a cheat. Every time you wear it, you are giving a dishonest impression to the world. The soul and heart of a true Panerai, Omega, et cetera is in knowing it was created to be as good as a watch can be, and if you can only get a fake, then what's the point?
@jessiethe3rd Agreed 100%. Too bad a lot of people are all about show. A quick google or watch forum search will yield a ton of watches that have great bang for the buck. Seiko for example, who knew they have such a wide array of automatics, especially the Japanese/European models.. I sure didn't 8 months ago.
Great video as usual. I recently purchased a late 2007 PAM 111 with ALL papers, matching serials, and even the original purchase receipt from an authorized dealer. When i look at my watch, i notice that the springbars are NOT flush with the lugs, and the crown guard lever is a BIT loose. I wonder if the loose lever is a result of constant usage over the past 3+ years. Not sure about the springbars though...any possible insight?
@chrono1g The loose lever could be from the three years of use, but the PAM111 should not have Spring Bars... it should have Screw Bars. Does your have spring bars?
My mistake, they are not spring bars. they are the screw in ones found in all the older model panerais. canon pinions, is what they call it i think? they are recessed but not too much at all. very minor actually. but they are not flush for sure.
@chrono1g Ah.. the Cannon Pinion.. Well.. i guess it depends by what you mean by recessed..since its polished and curved it can't be perfectly flush anyway.. compared with the off-the-shelf fakes that I've seen, its quite a bit more flush though.
Yea a fake might look close enough to fool the average Joe into thinking you have a 5k watch on but in the end its just junk! Yes the movement from a panerai might be based on a Unitas and so are many modern movement but in the end the panerai one is made in Switzerland not some china sweatshop. If you buy a fake to "try it on for size good on ya but if you buy it to show off and pretend its real then you are a loser. Do you think you will be able to pass on that fake to your kid on their 21st?
The people that say that owning a replica watch is exactly the same as owning a genuine watch are probably the same people that would say that owning a Fiero with a body kit is exactly the same as owning Ferrari or a Lamborghini.
The gen PAM111 G or H model has a strong blue tint on the glas! So it's a quite good rep and the crownguard looks like an easy fix.
I'm a Paneristi by heart but I understand why people think; why should I pay 5000usd for a watch with a Unitas movement while I can buy that movement for a 200 USD! I understand it! Sometime's I'm also thinking why are the PAM111, (every model with the unitas movement) so expensive!? But hey I fall in love every time when I'm in a AD!!
@z2s Interesting. I've never owned a 111 G or H, so that could be it. I did own a 114H, but it did not have the blue tint. I also think $5000 for a Unitas is a hefty price, which is why I only like the In-House movement now!
@breitlingsource I think it are the G model's that have a strong blue tint on it! My father in law has a Pam196 it also has a blue tint on it, should ask from wich serie it is! I noticed the 114H, you have a nice collection there! Wear them well and keep up the good work!!
@z2s Good to know. The real 111E I had years ago did not have any blue tint. Nor did the 114E. None of the subsequent Panerais (and there have been a few) that I have owned had the blue tint, nor have any of the ones my friends have owned. Having said that, I never examined a 111G or 111H I don't think.
Fake or replica .. The same all day long just a way of charging you more for more attention to detail .. no matter what if its not the brand on the dial that made it .. ITS FAKE
@adswu2008 not neccisarily a fake is a cheap imitation piece of junk. while a replica is just that, the same in every way, motion, looks, feel, weight. lets be honest some people just cant afford the "real thing" and 10,000 for a good looking watch is a bit outrageous. i dont wear fake stuff. im just saying. ive seen some good replicas out there. that are respectable. that i wouldnt mind having but if you cant tell the difference and have to look on youtube to know how? then why should i care?
@diverseent How good the replica is is not the point. The point is its a complete ripoff of someone elses intellectual property. I don't care if you don't care.. but if I went into your house and started stealing your stuff you would probably care. Most people think its okay to steal intellectual property.. same people that download pirated music and movies. If you can't afford it, stop trying to make it look like you can by buying fakes.
@breitlingsource I like your reviews but your views on intellectual property rights are flawed. Downloading music technically is not illegal because you are not profiting from it. It was only until super rich recording artists got a stick up their ass and realized they loved the money more than the art. Downloading illegal software is much different than downloading music. Music is completely intangible and serves no purpose besides self entrainment and is free everywhere else you go.
@flatblackstrat Since when does theft only constitude as theft if you are making money off it? I believe your views are the ones that are flawed, or you are just trying to justify your theft. So its okay if I rob someone as long as I don't pawn the goods afterwards, is that correct?
@breitlingsource Since the laws for intellectual property right were drafted buddy. You cannot steal music it is impossible, the only time anyone can sue under those circumstances is when they are making money I.E. youtube, when the government penalizes someone for illegal downloading of music (oxymoron) the government takes the money and the artist never sees a dime so who is the real thief. Something that is audible cannot be stolen. Go look up tangible and intangible in a dictionary.
@flatblackstrat I know what tangible and intangible are buddy. It doesn't matter who gets what when someone is penalized, the fact is copying music is 100% illegal in Canada under Canadian Copyright Laws, whether for personal or profit use. Now is it enforced? Maybe not so much.
Listen if it comes down to it.... dont buy fake watches... if you cant afford quit pretending like you can. Real watchmakers can tell trust me. Buy a fossil or bulova. Nothing wrong with that. Fake watches are for fake people.
I agree with the intellectual theft idea, since I work as a photographer myself I wouldn't be to happy to see my work published without getting paid.
But I find it strange that the watch companies doesn´t start producing their own "homage" lineups to cater for the thinner wallets.
That would kill the reps in no time, it´s not like it´s uncommon, the fashion industry does it all the time to get people hooked on the brand, think 200$ t-shirts with logos and you get the picture.
One thing that strikes me is the fact that all "rep haters" fail to see that buying a rep could be a good thing, hell shelling out somewhere between 5k-30k usd for a watch isn´t something most people does on a daily basis.
For me buying replicas was to get a very good tryout period before buying the gen version of it.
Being in a watch shop having some idiot hanging over your shoulder and asking every three minutes how you like it and if you want to pay by card or cash sucks.
@jiddraren I think its just 'rep haters' hate that they are wearing stolen property. I guess if you created something that you were proud of and spent lots of blood sweat and tears creating a respectable brand only to have a bunch of posers and fakers stealing your creation and selling it for pennies on the dollar you'd be really excited about it.
There's two sides to every story. You can candy-coat your theft any way you want to, but its still intellectual theft.
I agree with the intellectual theft idea, since I work as a photographer myself I wouldn't be to happy to see my work published without getting paid.
But I find it strange that the watch companies doesn´t start producing their own "homage" lineups to cater for the thinner wallets.
That would kill the reps in no time, it´s not like it´s uncommon, the fashion industry does it all the time to get people hooked on the brand, think 200$ t-shirts with logos and you get the picture.
@jiddraren Well, I think there is a gap there. T-shirts are one thing, luxury watches another. Brand like Patek Philippe don't want to devalue their line by creating a budget line.. they are also built in a small factory by hand and produce a small amount of watches per year. It just doesn't make sense.
Larger brands like Rolex DO carry a cheaper line, its called Tudor. But its not carried by any places in North America. You know why? Because people would rather buy fakes.
@breitlingsource Agreed completely. There still is no excuse for wearing a fake if (which it most likely is) your purpose is to pass it off as the real deal. If you want to try a similar watch out to the real deal to see how you like the style, there are plenty of homage watches out there that are basically replicas. For affordable PAM homages check out Marine Diver, Marina Militare, Military Mark, Magrette, Getat, etc.
@breitlingsource i dont care what you say, no amount of work, constitutes 10,000+ for a watch. so any watch maker that thinks a couple of hours constitutes 10K can go suck a lemon. if anyone is thieving or robbing somebody is the watch maker himself. it does take alot of work, and tedious time. and i can respect that. but lets get real here. couple pearls, diamonds. sold for pennies on the dollar. to make millions to me good replica makers are just the same just more realistic priced.
@breitlingsource Quite a difference downloading music. Unless it is fake music. I ain't heard fake music myself. With music it's about how you get it. What would you do with a Panerai that "fell off the Fed Ex truck" v download music would be you appropriate comparison.
Panerai's are overpriced, ugly watches. If you want to spend 6-10k on a watch, get a Rolex Daytona, IWC Portuguese chrono or a Breitling. You know, something with more fnction that actually looks good. Paneristi are dicks.
There are Pam replicas that are much better than this one. I know that you have reviewed some pretty good reps but this one Is middle of the road at best. Thanks for the review all the same
Never heard of Panerai until looking around at the fake watch sight I was shopping. Loved the vintage look of it, so buy it I did. Not quite the same as this, but 100% content. Easy to see at night, nice leather strap, & Americans not having a clue what they're looking at. Mine is about a year old & paid about $110.
Im an american and it seems like you dont know what your talking about I can spot a fake panerai from a mile away. For example im probably at least states away from you and i can tell its not real
@dfok5 Agree, a sharp eye will always spot one. Most never will. My el cheapo Panerai didn't last a year, Internal failure. Oh well, the phony Seiko powered IWC is doing fine. Cheers.
That's a nice looking fake. I just recently got an IWC flieger chrono rep, and it keeps pretty good time for it being a chinese copy of the valjoux 7750. Looks good, too. I'd love a real one, but just can't afford it.
@e30m3izzle Actually it is fairly different, because a replica watch is a separate physical thing, whereas music is purely intellectual property. But your point holds true.
How can you asume no other models have color tint at big angles because yours (and different from the one reviewed) does not? That's stupid. The winding lock is not secure - well, it might as well be with the real one that has served as a demo for some time. The movement is an asian copy but with lots of correct markings, which is surprising. This is not a bad watch in terms of quality - their crime is in trademark infringement.
@sideflipyourmum Why do you give a shit what other people spend their money on, or what their reasons are for buying something? Don't be such a judgmental prick.
My 111J seems to have a light blue tint, but my 177H did not have the same look to it. I wonder if that's something they changed. I wish you could of had a real one to compare it to.
Take it to your local high end watch dealer. A place that sells Rolex, IWC, Hublot will most likely sell Panerai, if they don't they may be able to see the tell tale signs of a fake. Like the video shows, that "blue" AR coating is a dead give a way.
@xrossfader I disagree. I started looking at more and more of them. ( Including mine) I've seen the AR be blue, yellow, and purplish. I have triple boxes,warranty card, hang tag and receipt for mine. It's not a fake. I think Panerai outsources the crystals so the AR could be different.
Good advise........for those who have to work hard & save up for a $5-$10K watch. But it's all relative, because what if you make $200Ka year or what if you're just plane wealthy? Then dollar for dollar buying a $10K watch to some may be like someone of normal means buying a $100 watch.
Remember: even though wearing fake seems harmless, forgery indirectly supports crime of another level. Thanks again Breitlingsource for excellent reviews!
Nice review.. its good to inform those who don't know.. There are guys out there who knows PAMs really well so they will nitpick your review a bit more. Obvious signs of a fake PAM are the dial, AR coating like you said, Crown Guard, Thickness of the Crown and how flush it is against the case... the oem strap of fake is really cheap. The movement is an ASIAN copy of the SWISS Unitas 6497 (the swan neck regulator is fake..) Still a decent watch overall. There are better fakes out there..
@ALL those who want to buy a fake.. go to Asia. Not recommending a place to buy as its illegal. Do a google search for forums and recommendations from others. Save up and buy a real one. Be a Man!
@RamboSnake73 Easy there..I'm the one WHO KNOWs.. all about watches and where to get them.. obviously you don't.. and if you try, I'm sure you can find out without anyone's help. obviously I don't condone fakes. $10K for a watch is peanuts if you know how to make money! I wear real one buddy.. so does the author of this video!
Just back from Shanghai, CHINA, there are ton's of fake PAM there, I have to say most buyers are foreign tourist, my friends suggest me to get one just for fun, but those thing are not that cheap, about 150 USD, instead of RMB, for a fake watch with "swiss movement"? I don't think so. I think if you are good, you can probably get the price down to about 50-60 USD, probably not any lower.
Well its much more accurate than a JLC or Patek fake. Of course Panerai does not help things by using off the shelf $45, machine finished movements in their cheaper watches.
i see what youre saying but i dont understand how lets say, "panerai" will lose money due to someone buying a fake. in reality that person would have never bought a real one to begin with because they would not be able to afford it. music is different. people can afford music but choose to steal it anyway. therefore i dont think fakes hurt watch makers at all.
The prices are ridiculous - especially with the movements Panerai puts in some of the watches, but If You like the design and don't have the money to buy the original but You DO have respect for the company - buy the Marina Militare without the original markings.
You just buy what you afford then. Start off w/ Seiko and Citizen. You're the fool here. You're only buying the watch to FOOL people. These are SHIT. I very nice watch will not have the faults of this watch. I've owned Breitling, Omega,Tag Heuer, Anonimo. They are all of high quality. I also have Seiko, G-shocks and Citizen. You're just a poseur.
In case you haven't noticed, the fake suffers from very inferior workmanship. If they want to sell the watch under it's own name, that's fine. But it's dishonest to put another company's name on the watch. Given the work that an outfit like Panerai puts into their watches and finishing the movements, the price isn't that bad at all. When people start doing work by hand things become very expensive very quickly.
The *only* reason to buy a fake Panerai is for the exclusivity and the prestige.
I do realize not all watch lovers can afford the watches. If you really love watches and respected the companies, you wouldn't support fakes that steal their Intellecual property.
If you were the person that created such an iconic watch, and benfitted from it and someone stole your ideas and made money off them illegally, at your expense, you might think differently. But then again, I doubt you'd admit it.
Buying fakes doesn't make you a watch lover, you just love yourself.
I understand the hatred of fake panerai. I would not wear a watch trying to replicate an exact copy of another. On the other hand I would wear a Homage like a Marina Militare because they are not copying Panerai... Marina militare are homages like panerais that copy the real deal. Even panerai is a copy but its a homage and an expensive homage. Marina Militare's do it for me to enjoy what people wore during war.
Well, I have the original PAM 111 and have to admit that this is a fantastic fake. Fakes are often obvious, but here you have to take a second upclose look. It also might be second hand one in a bad and poor condition ... for 250 $ a good deal ... but as the author said: buy the real thing!
As the owner of a genuine 111h, I thought that your review was generally OK, but you never even mentioned the two blatant "tells" that this is a replica; the recessed cannon pin and the "Swiss Made" script touching the number 6. Yeah, maybe in passing I might think this is a real one, but upon a little closer examination even when not removed from the wrist the recessed cannon will be pretty evident.
Thanks for mentioning the recessed Cannon pin. Since posting this video I have become aware of the two "tells", and I thank you greatly for pointing them out to the viewers. Additionally it should be pointed out that the H3 (Long) Cannon pin that is readily available on ebay, etc will easily correct this problem and is a favourite of replica modders.
ya the canon pin deal is a fairly common mod. There are dealers on forums that charge about $450 for a replica that they build themselves and are modded along the way in the building process and you would be hard pressed to determine it is a replica unless you opened it up and knew what you were looking at.
Check the luminor base left handed pic on the official paneraidotcom in the gallery section. Same swiss made script can be seen. So it don define the replica.
I have a replica of this model Panerai. Compared it to the same model Panerai face to face, the differences are readily apparent. Some of them are subtle, but some, like the action over the adjust, are overt. Also, the fake buckle is not as "fine", and the fonts and typefaces over the entire watch are slightly different than the real item.
All in all, for what I paid, it makes for a nice toy and a decent timepiece. I wouldn't want to wear it in a room full of Paneristi.
Question is why is fakes so much cheaper? what would fakes cost if they were treated like the originals (wobbles, tints, better quality screws)? What quality of a watch would you care less about for a price drop of 3k$?
I must agree though, really nice review, I own pretty many original watches, and some fakes, just because the price difference is so vast, but I must say the screws for the strap is a hassle if they mess up the holes too much.
The Fakes are amazing considering the $5000 price difference. Stainless steel is stainless steel. I own a Marina Miltare"homage" and it has been a great watch. The accuracy too is impressive 8 sec. per day. For $130... I win.
I have to admit, he REALLY is nitpicking this thing. Most jewelers wouldn't notice the difference, and many Panny fakes have fooled plenty of experts.
You know, decorating the movement a certain way, applying the badges and logos correctly etc = almost real. At some point, the question rapidly becomes moot, since the price difference is so fantastic.
Yeah, he's kind of an idiot, eh? (its me, by the way).
I guess I should have just shown the way for 10 seconds and say "No one can tell the difference. I if I mentioned them, i'd be nitpicking - end of review".
Yeah but when yu walk down the street who can tell , you hardley take it off for the passer by to examine it .... I think £15,000 is over priced for what it is , £200 is about right , Fake or not the look sexy on your wrist ...
The rep world is like the dark side of the force--it's not all evil etc....but it is a huge risk and you better know what you are doing or you mine as well throw your money in a fireplace. repgeek is the best place to start. Remember that there are legal issues with fakes and while it is almost always legal to buy one, once they go bad they are good as paperweights--and that's about it. Overall, you are much better off to live in the genuine world.
all the fakes have a unitas 6497 clone movement most likely a hangzhou. even though the replica websites may state a genuine swiss movement it is not. there are numerous homage panerais with genuine swiss unitas 6497.
just for information, there are genuines, replicas, and really good replicas. this rep is so so. there are much better ones. panerai are so popular now to rep they've gotten them down a lot better than this one. most gens reflect a little yellow from ones i've seen and you're right about reps they look a little blue
Thanks for posting this vid. I seriously doubt that is a Swiss movement. Probably a cheezy chinese knock-off movement. This crap is cranked out in Hong Kong as fast as Elmo dolls for Christmas! Hit it with a hammer and destroy it.
hihi, where did your friend get this Panerai PAM111? if u don't wanna disclose it here, would u mind sending it to my inbox please? thank you very much!
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SuperPandora2012 2 weeks ago
So...you wanna rock the look, but cannot afford the price? That, my friend, is why God gave us homages - same 'look and feel' but without the big name markings. I am currently typing this whilst wearing a Rolex GMT Master II homage that is actually made in China - it is NOT a fake, as there are no Rolex markings. The same goes for Panerai, Breitling, or any other luxobrand. Granted, you wont have the name, but you will still look rich.
RebelKnightCSA 4 months ago
@RebelKnightCSA Homages are acceptable in my mind - better than this fake crap.
breitlingsource 4 months ago
@breitlingsource Why are homages acceptable and replicas aren't? Homages steal everything except for the name. They steal the design to make money off it, but you don't care because at least the guy who spent a more sane $300 on the watch doesn't get to show off and say he has a Panerai, but you do! Seems like a bad reason to buy a watch.
leavantgarage 4 months ago
@leavantgarage That's just my personal opinion on the issue. Many feel homages are unacceptable too. The thing is the Homage isn't doing anything illegal usually such as stealing copyrights. Its not a matter of "showing off". I don't give a damn about showing off. I buy my watches for myself only and I share pics and videos with those that are interested in it.
Real Panerais have quality and pride in craftsmanship and many have in-house movements. Something that matters to me.
breitlingsource 4 months ago
@breitlingsource So the difference between right and wrong is simply a legal issue? Panerais might have quality and pride in craftsmanship, but most of them don't even have in-house movements and if $200 replicas can come so close (the one in the video is a poor example), obviously there is a huge amount of inflation in the price. I appreciate quality but people who spend so much money have seriously lost grasp of reality and are just throwing shit loads of money away because they can.
leavantgarage 4 months ago
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@breitlingsource So the difference between right and wrong is simply a legal issue? Panerais might have quality and pride in craftsmanship, but most of them don't even have in-house movements and if $200 replicas can come so close (the one in the video is a poor example), obviously there is a huge amount of inflation in the price. I appreciate quality but people who spend so much money have seriously lost grasp of reality and are just throwing shit loads of money away because they can.
leavantgarage 4 months ago
@leavantgarage Homages are different in that they do not pretend to be what they pay homage to. For example, Stephen King paid homage to H. P. Lovecraft; Belinda Carlisle paid homage to Rita Hayworth; and so on. Does this mean that King and Carlisle are 'ripping off' Lovecraft and Hayworth? No, they are paying homage. Big difference. Besides, better to tolerate nameless homages than to see the market for fakes get so big that it becomes unstoppable, right? Think about it.
RebelKnightCSA 4 months ago
@RebelKnightCSA You're describing a different kind of thing. Paying tribute to H.P. Lovecraft in style is one thing. Making a watch look exactly like a Panerai and just not calling itself a Panerai is another IMO. However, I might advocate homages and fakes on the basis that they both arguably cause people to question the asinine prices that luxury watch manufacturers charge. Also, by your logic, it is impossible to rip off someone's idea unless you claim to be them?
leavantgarage 4 months ago
@leavantgarage A valid point! Now, what makes a Panerai, Rolex, or whatever so special? That would be the quality put into the piece, right? Those names mean quality. No quality marks means there is no guarantee as to quality. The 'look and feel' is there, BUT! there is no reputation for quality behind it. No Rolex crown or whatever means the watch could be junk for all you know. That is what brings in the money for the big names - a hard earned reputation for doing it right every time.
RebelKnightCSA 4 months ago
@RebelKnightCSA Lots of watch brands have excellent reputations for quality, and they don't charge incredibly ludicrous prices (Seiko, Orient, etc). However, if a company can ask for $20,000 for a watch and get it, maybe that's a "good for them" situation, and I should be criticizing the insane person who bought it instead. But replicas 99% of the time are sold to buyers who know full well they're not getting the same level of quality [control] as a genuine watch, but they paid thousands less.
leavantgarage 4 months ago
@RebelKnightCSA Lots of watch brands have excellent reputations for quality, and they don't charge incredibly ludicrous prices (Seiko, Orient, etc). However, if a company can ask for $20,000 for a watch and get it, maybe that's a "good for them" situation, and I should be criticizing the insane person who bought it instead. But replicas 99% of the time are sold to buyers who know full well they're not getting the same level of quality [control] as a genuine watch, but they paid thousands less.
leavantgarage 4 months ago
@leavantgarage Continued: Your point about 'rip[ping] off someones idea' really doesn't hold up. These watches like the Panerai Marina Militare and Rolex Submariner are pretty generic in design. Something that is that generic cant be intellectual property - there are only so many ways to make a watch, right? If the luxobrands were to make something unique (like the Panerai crown guard) then that uniqueness should be respected. But generic designs are fair game, IMO.
RebelKnightCSA 4 months ago
@RebelKnightCSA Fair enough, but you sort of ruin your own argument in the end: homages *do* copy the Panerai crown guard. If you look into them, you'll find that homages are essentially replicas that haven't had the word "Panerai" printed on them or engraved. I know reps claim to be the real thing, and there's something wrong with that, but mostly I feel rich snobs only care because reps claim to be the thing that they bought as a status symbol and don't want less fortunate people in the club.
leavantgarage 4 months ago
@leavantgarage Okay, now those homage makers who copy the Panerai crown guard are out of line. I will give you that. That said, the mark of quality here is the brand name and assorted marks (like the Rolex crown or Louis Vuitton monogram). When you see those, you know you have good product. THAT is what makes these luxobrands so worth it - the mark of a good, quality name that has a long-established reputation for quality craftsmanship.
RebelKnightCSA 4 months ago
@RebelKnightCSA Yes, but you're not convincing me they're worth what they cost. I don't think 'value' is determined by the seller, nor does value have anything to do with the fact that they can find some crazy person to buy it. Rather, what is it objectively worth? Not thousands of dollars.
leavantgarage 4 months ago
@leavantgarage Supply and demand, friend - gotta love capitalism. :) And I agree about the price thing, which is why my "Rolex" is a homage from China.
RebelKnightCSA 4 months ago
thats one bad replica you got :P
segomusik 5 months ago
fakes at least cost a lil bit more then it took for production, not 3000% more then material price, fakes r good, brings the overpriced material crap to logical prices.
ps: im no watch douche guy, i have a clock already on my cell
drugsarefunkids 6 months ago
@drugsarefunkids If I bought a watch just to tell time, I would buy a cheap piece of crap. Watches are works of art, in no way does owning and wearing a nice one make you a "douche".
Nebraskahusker23 5 months ago
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johntetzel 6 months ago
this is a fake !
kraskata2012 6 months ago
@kraskata2012 I believe that is what the title says.
breitlingsource 6 months ago 8
@breitlingsource ok, my mistake
kraskata2012 6 months ago
@breitlingsource lol good point
1ENGINEofCHAOS1 5 months ago
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stasmed 6 months ago
FAKES ARE FOR IDIOTS!!!
paulfyter1983 7 months ago
A real panerai is an anonimo
moonmon 7 months ago
@moonmon I had a bronze Polluce and a Marina Militare, SO AWESOME... Anonimo is the best... I have my first Pam coming in the mail today, though, the cheap one - 111... would kill for a San Marco but I've only seen one on TZ ever (and it went for a steal, like $4K)... Anonimo is the most underrated watch manufacturer in the world and aside from some obvious design misses, at least they TAKE risks unlike Rolex or OP
johntetzel 6 months ago
Can anyone who "does not condone buying replicas" actually give a good reason to justify it? While there may be some good reasons, the reason always seems to be that it hurts the (luxury) watch industry. How exactly? No one that buys a replica for $100-$800 is going to be able to buy anything from one of these watch makers. They have taken ZERO dollars from them.
Nayr747 8 months ago 10
@Nayr747 Wow - that is such an ignorant statement. Theft is theft.. you are stealing from someone. Would you want a fake watch if it wasn't of such a reputable brand that a company spent years and millions creating? No, you wouldn't. Who wants a fake Fossil? No one. You want to steal the intellectual property of the copyright holders because they have created value through their hard work. Why do I have to justify that your theft is theft? wake up.
breitlingsource 8 months ago
@breitlingsource To be totally honest with you, I'm surprised you gave this fake the time of day. Your time could have been better spent on a genuine timepiece. Why do I say this? Yes, because there are some good fakes out there, but I believe that with this video you could actually tempt more people into buying fakes than the number of people who could be conned and sold one. Anyone with half a brain would be crazy not to purchase through an Authorised Dealer when spending thousands of dollars.
italomagic1 7 months ago
@breitlingsource It is very helpful to buy replicas to get used to what watch you eventually want to buy! I am not ignorant! perhaps your rudness is due to your lack of education?
I nhave 20 replica andf now have 3 originals and the replicasd helped me choose which models I prefered..
Therft? the UK GAVE YES GAVE the USA the jet engine.. that was not theft but ignorant - now everyone copies the Whittle JET
Just cool it.. There are mose Swiss watch manutacturers than ever before!
g4xjp 7 months ago
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johntetzel 6 months ago
@breitlingsource Fossil watches are affordable to begin with. If a real Panerai were to cost $200, I guarantee you I'd buy one. I'm not going to spend $5K on a watch, especially one with virtually nothing impressive about it other than its looks. If you can't figure out why a person would want a Panerai more than a Fossil other than the name, maybe you ought to ask yourself why the hell you bought a Panerai. Homages are still stealing everything about a watch to make money off the design.
leavantgarage 4 months ago
@leavantgarage There is much more to a Panerai than its looks.
breitlingsource 4 months ago
@Nayr747 What a stupied comment to make. All fakes for a start are just looking like the real thing with no knowledge of the genuine movement or real respect. It's not a just a brand you buy but the whole watch. Why do you buy a fake Gucci?, for the name is the quailty the same as the real deal no. I know at least that my watches from Rolex to Cartier, Breitling will be there for my children too...like I still my Grandads Omega. A fake will last 5 years maybe.
vandegevel1 8 months ago
@Nayr747 Plus, along with a pretty well summed-up reply from breitlingsource, most people who are fans of high end watches (regardless of their ability to afford them) simply could not live with the fact that they are wearing a fake, a fraud, a cheat. Every time you wear it, you are giving a dishonest impression to the world. The soul and heart of a true Panerai, Omega, et cetera is in knowing it was created to be as good as a watch can be, and if you can only get a fake, then what's the point?
CourthouseSquare1 6 months ago
chec my collection out on my page over 1,500 watches
opinionguy2011 11 months ago
luxury watches have gotten way too big and flashy. If you're going to buy a luxury watch, buy a conservative one. In a few years you will thank me.
dano415 11 months ago
It would help if you weren't moving the watch around so much. Can't see a damn thing.
dldeucenine 11 months ago
Where was it purchased?
Senator1906 11 months ago
Seriously - why try and be a poser - just get a watch you can afford. T
jessiethe3rd 1 year ago
@jessiethe3rd Agreed 100%. Too bad a lot of people are all about show. A quick google or watch forum search will yield a ton of watches that have great bang for the buck. Seiko for example, who knew they have such a wide array of automatics, especially the Japanese/European models.. I sure didn't 8 months ago.
Kyoretsu85 9 months ago
Hi,
Great video as usual. I recently purchased a late 2007 PAM 111 with ALL papers, matching serials, and even the original purchase receipt from an authorized dealer. When i look at my watch, i notice that the springbars are NOT flush with the lugs, and the crown guard lever is a BIT loose. I wonder if the loose lever is a result of constant usage over the past 3+ years. Not sure about the springbars though...any possible insight?
chrono1g 1 year ago
@chrono1g The loose lever could be from the three years of use, but the PAM111 should not have Spring Bars... it should have Screw Bars. Does your have spring bars?
breitlingsource 1 year ago
@breitlingsource
My mistake, they are not spring bars. they are the screw in ones found in all the older model panerais. canon pinions, is what they call it i think? they are recessed but not too much at all. very minor actually. but they are not flush for sure.
chrono1g 1 year ago
@chrono1g Ah.. the Cannon Pinion.. Well.. i guess it depends by what you mean by recessed..since its polished and curved it can't be perfectly flush anyway.. compared with the off-the-shelf fakes that I've seen, its quite a bit more flush though.
breitlingsource 1 year ago
Fake watch for fake people
witooni 1 year ago
STOP BUYING THE BRAND BUY THE BETTER WATCH FOR THE MONEY.
diverseent 1 year ago
@diverseent What watch would that be?
breitlingsource 1 year ago
Yea a fake might look close enough to fool the average Joe into thinking you have a 5k watch on but in the end its just junk! Yes the movement from a panerai might be based on a Unitas and so are many modern movement but in the end the panerai one is made in Switzerland not some china sweatshop. If you buy a fake to "try it on for size good on ya but if you buy it to show off and pretend its real then you are a loser. Do you think you will be able to pass on that fake to your kid on their 21st?
Syler1979 1 year ago
The people that say that owning a replica watch is exactly the same as owning a genuine watch are probably the same people that would say that owning a Fiero with a body kit is exactly the same as owning Ferrari or a Lamborghini.
igotnolegs 1 year ago
@breitlingsource
The gen PAM111 G or H model has a strong blue tint on the glas! So it's a quite good rep and the crownguard looks like an easy fix.
I'm a Paneristi by heart but I understand why people think; why should I pay 5000usd for a watch with a Unitas movement while I can buy that movement for a 200 USD! I understand it! Sometime's I'm also thinking why are the PAM111, (every model with the unitas movement) so expensive!? But hey I fall in love every time when I'm in a AD!!
z2s 1 year ago
@z2s Interesting. I've never owned a 111 G or H, so that could be it. I did own a 114H, but it did not have the blue tint. I also think $5000 for a Unitas is a hefty price, which is why I only like the In-House movement now!
breitlingsource 1 year ago
@breitlingsource I think it are the G model's that have a strong blue tint on it! My father in law has a Pam196 it also has a blue tint on it, should ask from wich serie it is! I noticed the 114H, you have a nice collection there! Wear them well and keep up the good work!!
z2s 1 year ago
@z2s Good to know. The real 111E I had years ago did not have any blue tint. Nor did the 114E. None of the subsequent Panerais (and there have been a few) that I have owned had the blue tint, nor have any of the ones my friends have owned. Having said that, I never examined a 111G or 111H I don't think.
breitlingsource 1 year ago
saphir has no blue color in glass
alibunar82 1 year ago
is it a fake or a replica? because i think that there is a distinct difference.
diverseent 1 year ago
@diverseent
Fake or replica .. The same all day long just a way of charging you more for more attention to detail .. no matter what if its not the brand on the dial that made it .. ITS FAKE
Fake people wear fake products
adswu2008 1 year ago
@adswu2008 not neccisarily a fake is a cheap imitation piece of junk. while a replica is just that, the same in every way, motion, looks, feel, weight. lets be honest some people just cant afford the "real thing" and 10,000 for a good looking watch is a bit outrageous. i dont wear fake stuff. im just saying. ive seen some good replicas out there. that are respectable. that i wouldnt mind having but if you cant tell the difference and have to look on youtube to know how? then why should i care?
diverseent 1 year ago
@diverseent How good the replica is is not the point. The point is its a complete ripoff of someone elses intellectual property. I don't care if you don't care.. but if I went into your house and started stealing your stuff you would probably care. Most people think its okay to steal intellectual property.. same people that download pirated music and movies. If you can't afford it, stop trying to make it look like you can by buying fakes.
breitlingsource 1 year ago
@breitlingsource I like your reviews but your views on intellectual property rights are flawed. Downloading music technically is not illegal because you are not profiting from it. It was only until super rich recording artists got a stick up their ass and realized they loved the money more than the art. Downloading illegal software is much different than downloading music. Music is completely intangible and serves no purpose besides self entrainment and is free everywhere else you go.
flatblackstrat 1 year ago
@flatblackstrat Since when does theft only constitude as theft if you are making money off it? I believe your views are the ones that are flawed, or you are just trying to justify your theft. So its okay if I rob someone as long as I don't pawn the goods afterwards, is that correct?
breitlingsource 1 year ago
@breitlingsource Since the laws for intellectual property right were drafted buddy. You cannot steal music it is impossible, the only time anyone can sue under those circumstances is when they are making money I.E. youtube, when the government penalizes someone for illegal downloading of music (oxymoron) the government takes the money and the artist never sees a dime so who is the real thief. Something that is audible cannot be stolen. Go look up tangible and intangible in a dictionary.
flatblackstrat 1 year ago
@flatblackstrat I know what tangible and intangible are buddy. It doesn't matter who gets what when someone is penalized, the fact is copying music is 100% illegal in Canada under Canadian Copyright Laws, whether for personal or profit use. Now is it enforced? Maybe not so much.
breitlingsource 1 year ago
@breitlingsource I share your thoughts. Fakes are for idiots! Simple as that!
italomagic1 9 months ago
Where did your friend purchase that replica
TheeeDoctorrr 1 year ago
Had to stop watching this after he said uuuhhhmmm for the 75th time!
morteus61 1 year ago
@morteus61 Sorry about my stutter, bro. But I promise to improve, just for you!
breitlingsource 1 year ago
@morteus61 I stopped reading your comment after you said uuuhhhmmm the first time.
AVintageWatch 1 year ago
Listen if it comes down to it.... dont buy fake watches... if you cant afford quit pretending like you can. Real watchmakers can tell trust me. Buy a fossil or bulova. Nothing wrong with that. Fake watches are for fake people.
TheBeccaRW 1 year ago
People buying replicas are inclined to put a baking potato into their speedoes as well.. they want to flash something they don't really have... FACT
stangbien 1 year ago
Great job on the video. You pointed out some very good things.
trezaei 1 year ago
@breitlingsource
I agree with the intellectual theft idea, since I work as a photographer myself I wouldn't be to happy to see my work published without getting paid.
But I find it strange that the watch companies doesn´t start producing their own "homage" lineups to cater for the thinner wallets.
That would kill the reps in no time, it´s not like it´s uncommon, the fashion industry does it all the time to get people hooked on the brand, think 200$ t-shirts with logos and you get the picture.
jiddraren 1 year ago
One thing that strikes me is the fact that all "rep haters" fail to see that buying a rep could be a good thing, hell shelling out somewhere between 5k-30k usd for a watch isn´t something most people does on a daily basis.
For me buying replicas was to get a very good tryout period before buying the gen version of it.
Being in a watch shop having some idiot hanging over your shoulder and asking every three minutes how you like it and if you want to pay by card or cash sucks.
jiddraren 1 year ago
@jiddraren I think its just 'rep haters' hate that they are wearing stolen property. I guess if you created something that you were proud of and spent lots of blood sweat and tears creating a respectable brand only to have a bunch of posers and fakers stealing your creation and selling it for pennies on the dollar you'd be really excited about it.
There's two sides to every story. You can candy-coat your theft any way you want to, but its still intellectual theft.
breitlingsource 1 year ago
@breitlingsource
I agree with the intellectual theft idea, since I work as a photographer myself I wouldn't be to happy to see my work published without getting paid.
But I find it strange that the watch companies doesn´t start producing their own "homage" lineups to cater for the thinner wallets.
That would kill the reps in no time, it´s not like it´s uncommon, the fashion industry does it all the time to get people hooked on the brand, think 200$ t-shirts with logos and you get the picture.
jiddraren 1 year ago
@jiddraren Well, I think there is a gap there. T-shirts are one thing, luxury watches another. Brand like Patek Philippe don't want to devalue their line by creating a budget line.. they are also built in a small factory by hand and produce a small amount of watches per year. It just doesn't make sense.
Larger brands like Rolex DO carry a cheaper line, its called Tudor. But its not carried by any places in North America. You know why? Because people would rather buy fakes.
customtacticals 1 year ago
@breitlingsource Agreed completely. There still is no excuse for wearing a fake if (which it most likely is) your purpose is to pass it off as the real deal. If you want to try a similar watch out to the real deal to see how you like the style, there are plenty of homage watches out there that are basically replicas. For affordable PAM homages check out Marine Diver, Marina Militare, Military Mark, Magrette, Getat, etc.
Kyoretsu85 1 year ago
@breitlingsource i dont care what you say, no amount of work, constitutes 10,000+ for a watch. so any watch maker that thinks a couple of hours constitutes 10K can go suck a lemon. if anyone is thieving or robbing somebody is the watch maker himself. it does take alot of work, and tedious time. and i can respect that. but lets get real here. couple pearls, diamonds. sold for pennies on the dollar. to make millions to me good replica makers are just the same just more realistic priced.
diverseent 1 year ago
Now what are you going to do with it?
Sell it? or nail it to a tree...
walt9nic 1 year ago
@breitlingsource Quite a difference downloading music. Unless it is fake music. I ain't heard fake music myself. With music it's about how you get it. What would you do with a Panerai that "fell off the Fed Ex truck" v download music would be you appropriate comparison.
walt9nic 1 year ago
260 USD ? now you can get it for 90 USD :) I think when you like the style, and you don't have budget for it, buy homage or rep..
1KeNnY1KeNnY1 1 year ago
Panerai's are overpriced, ugly watches. If you want to spend 6-10k on a watch, get a Rolex Daytona, IWC Portuguese chrono or a Breitling. You know, something with more fnction that actually looks good. Paneristi are dicks.
TargetRender 1 year ago
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Nice review. It seems to be a good copy, but nothing is better than the real thing :) Thanks.
sylvainr0 1 year ago
Nice review. Seems to be a good copy, but nothing is better than the real thing :)
sylvainr0 1 year ago
@sylvainr0 I agree.
kolbpilot 1 year ago
There are Pam replicas that are much better than this one. I know that you have reviewed some pretty good reps but this one Is middle of the road at best. Thanks for the review all the same
chronomax1 1 year ago
Never heard of Panerai until looking around at the fake watch sight I was shopping. Loved the vintage look of it, so buy it I did. Not quite the same as this, but 100% content. Easy to see at night, nice leather strap, & Americans not having a clue what they're looking at. Mine is about a year old & paid about $110.
kolbpilot 1 year ago
@kolbpilot
Im an american and it seems like you dont know what your talking about I can spot a fake panerai from a mile away. For example im probably at least states away from you and i can tell its not real
dfok5 1 year ago
@dfok5 I'm sure your right. Mine is probably a mediocre fake at best. But only people 'in the know' would know the name Panerai.
kolbpilot 1 year ago
@dfok5 Agree, a sharp eye will always spot one. Most never will. My el cheapo Panerai didn't last a year, Internal failure. Oh well, the phony Seiko powered IWC is doing fine. Cheers.
kolbpilot 6 months ago
That's a nice looking fake. I just recently got an IWC flieger chrono rep, and it keeps pretty good time for it being a chinese copy of the valjoux 7750. Looks good, too. I'd love a real one, but just can't afford it.
TargetRender 1 year ago
Man I hate fakes....
2logical 1 year ago
@e30m3izzle Actually it is fairly different, because a replica watch is a separate physical thing, whereas music is purely intellectual property. But your point holds true.
silvermediastudio 1 year ago
nice review! thanks.
bikermaniac 1 year ago
love your vids.. I would hate buying a watch and end up realising its a fake.
Angryrodent 1 year ago
Close to nothing review...
How can you asume no other models have color tint at big angles because yours (and different from the one reviewed) does not? That's stupid. The winding lock is not secure - well, it might as well be with the real one that has served as a demo for some time. The movement is an asian copy but with lots of correct markings, which is surprising. This is not a bad watch in terms of quality - their crime is in trademark infringement.
assa123assa123 1 year ago
were can i get this thing, to open the watches?
666silver999 1 year ago
@sideflipyourmum Why do you give a shit what other people spend their money on, or what their reasons are for buying something? Don't be such a judgmental prick.
wrxnofx 1 year ago
My 111J seems to have a light blue tint, but my 177H did not have the same look to it. I wonder if that's something they changed. I wish you could of had a real one to compare it to.
DallasfuckingTT 1 year ago
Thanks!
eduardocenter 1 year ago
hi i have a PANERAI luminor marina automatic but i dont know if it is real how can i know if it is real
erenei 1 year ago
@erenei
Take it to your local high end watch dealer. A place that sells Rolex, IWC, Hublot will most likely sell Panerai, if they don't they may be able to see the tell tale signs of a fake. Like the video shows, that "blue" AR coating is a dead give a way.
xrossfader 1 year ago
@xrossfader I disagree. I started looking at more and more of them. ( Including mine) I've seen the AR be blue, yellow, and purplish. I have triple boxes,warranty card, hang tag and receipt for mine. It's not a fake. I think Panerai outsources the crystals so the AR could be different.
DallasfuckingTT 1 year ago
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BasAndLokes 1 year ago
why spend 5-10k plus on a watch that isn't even worth it.
Invest you're money wisely...
300greekspartans 1 year ago
@300greekspartans
Good advise........for those who have to work hard & save up for a $5-$10K watch. But it's all relative, because what if you make $200Ka year or what if you're just plane wealthy? Then dollar for dollar buying a $10K watch to some may be like someone of normal means buying a $100 watch.
xrossfader 1 year ago
that issue with the wobbly crown protector is easily fixed, if your friend wants to know how just ask me
theownzer 2 years ago
How you fix the "wobbly" crown protector ?
RamboSnake73 1 year ago
I'll buy fake :) thanks...
YAR0SLAW 2 years ago 13
Would you buy a fake BMW ? Perhaps if they made them :) Fakes are nice toys, but buy a Seiko or Casio if you can't afford the real thing.
kenmasters007 2 years ago
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RamboSnake73 2 years ago
Great to learn about how to recognize fake.
Remember: even though wearing fake seems harmless, forgery indirectly supports crime of another level. Thanks again Breitlingsource for excellent reviews!
gsvdveld 2 years ago
The "blue tint" is actually the coating used on photographic lenses...iridium tin oxide. Why the heck would they use optical coating on a watch lens?
tripsadelica 2 years ago
Where do you buy your replicas/fakes?
fstchin365 2 years ago
PAMs are nice, they get more oohs and ahhs than me wearing a gen rolex or omega. Have fun!
kenmasters007 2 years ago
Nice review.. its good to inform those who don't know.. There are guys out there who knows PAMs really well so they will nitpick your review a bit more. Obvious signs of a fake PAM are the dial, AR coating like you said, Crown Guard, Thickness of the Crown and how flush it is against the case... the oem strap of fake is really cheap. The movement is an ASIAN copy of the SWISS Unitas 6497 (the swan neck regulator is fake..) Still a decent watch overall. There are better fakes out there..
kenmasters007 2 years ago
where , I want to purchase one lol
RamboSnake73 2 years ago
@ALL those who want to buy a fake.. go to Asia. Not recommending a place to buy as its illegal. Do a google search for forums and recommendations from others. Save up and buy a real one. Be a Man!
kenmasters007 2 years ago
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RamboSnake73 2 years ago
@RamboSnake73 Easy there..I'm the one WHO KNOWs.. all about watches and where to get them.. obviously you don't.. and if you try, I'm sure you can find out without anyone's help. obviously I don't condone fakes. $10K for a watch is peanuts if you know how to make money! I wear real one buddy.. so does the author of this video!
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RamboSnake73 2 years ago
Might be some good info here, but I can't get past the "um", "uh", "uhh", "and uh", "umm". Very distracting.
officinemilitare 2 years ago
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@officinemilitare stop being such a bitch
cujoluv 1 year ago
Just back from Shanghai, CHINA, there are ton's of fake PAM there, I have to say most buyers are foreign tourist, my friends suggest me to get one just for fun, but those thing are not that cheap, about 150 USD, instead of RMB, for a fake watch with "swiss movement"? I don't think so. I think if you are good, you can probably get the price down to about 50-60 USD, probably not any lower.
HLBB75 2 years ago
thsnk you
tkkidd123 2 years ago
very informative,thanks.
All of you expert assholes,start to appreciate videos like this,because guy gives you tips for free.
bredisb 2 years ago
Well its much more accurate than a JLC or Patek fake. Of course Panerai does not help things by using off the shelf $45, machine finished movements in their cheaper watches.
dcl97 2 years ago
i see what youre saying but i dont understand how lets say, "panerai" will lose money due to someone buying a fake. in reality that person would have never bought a real one to begin with because they would not be able to afford it. music is different. people can afford music but choose to steal it anyway. therefore i dont think fakes hurt watch makers at all.
e30m3izzle 2 years ago
The prices are ridiculous - especially with the movements Panerai puts in some of the watches, but If You like the design and don't have the money to buy the original but You DO have respect for the company - buy the Marina Militare without the original markings.
cubixthe 2 years ago
nuke china for their fake life itself.stop faking things.try something real.
dimputhegreat 2 years ago
Chinese people can't get nothing right!! If you are paying for "exclusivity" then why can't u find a fake one that actually holds up???
Calsonic66 2 years ago
You just buy what you afford then. Start off w/ Seiko and Citizen. You're the fool here. You're only buying the watch to FOOL people. These are SHIT. I very nice watch will not have the faults of this watch. I've owned Breitling, Omega,Tag Heuer, Anonimo. They are all of high quality. I also have Seiko, G-shocks and Citizen. You're just a poseur.
DallasfuckingTT 2 years ago
In case you haven't noticed, the fake suffers from very inferior workmanship. If they want to sell the watch under it's own name, that's fine. But it's dishonest to put another company's name on the watch. Given the work that an outfit like Panerai puts into their watches and finishing the movements, the price isn't that bad at all. When people start doing work by hand things become very expensive very quickly.
The *only* reason to buy a fake Panerai is for the exclusivity and the prestige.
wackyvorlon 2 years ago 2
@wackyvorlon There are other watches that are built by hand in the same price range as Panerais. Ex: Parmigiani and Glashutte.
Nebraskahusker23 10 months ago
I do realize not all watch lovers can afford the watches. If you really love watches and respected the companies, you wouldn't support fakes that steal their Intellecual property.
If you were the person that created such an iconic watch, and benfitted from it and someone stole your ideas and made money off them illegally, at your expense, you might think differently. But then again, I doubt you'd admit it.
Buying fakes doesn't make you a watch lover, you just love yourself.
breitlingsource 2 years ago
right.....
tommyx777 2 years ago
I understand the hatred of fake panerai. I would not wear a watch trying to replicate an exact copy of another. On the other hand I would wear a Homage like a Marina Militare because they are not copying Panerai... Marina militare are homages like panerais that copy the real deal. Even panerai is a copy but its a homage and an expensive homage. Marina Militare's do it for me to enjoy what people wore during war.
ElPoderoso818 2 years ago
With fakes this good, why buy the genuine?
RK831 2 years ago 7
Well, I have the original PAM 111 and have to admit that this is a fantastic fake. Fakes are often obvious, but here you have to take a second upclose look. It also might be second hand one in a bad and poor condition ... for 250 $ a good deal ... but as the author said: buy the real thing!
berdonis 2 years ago
great review
looks fantastic for a fake
fp5carbon1 2 years ago
i have a PAM 001. and the manual winding movement of this one looks amazingly accurate to the original. impressive.
pr0n00by 2 years ago
LOL
Spend another 29,900.00 for a real one.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!
:D
nhspike 2 years ago
give me the money and i will ^_~
muffemod 2 years ago
where did you bought that key to open a panerai? thanks
ChopterBopter 2 years ago
As the owner of a genuine 111h, I thought that your review was generally OK, but you never even mentioned the two blatant "tells" that this is a replica; the recessed cannon pin and the "Swiss Made" script touching the number 6. Yeah, maybe in passing I might think this is a real one, but upon a little closer examination even when not removed from the wrist the recessed cannon will be pretty evident.
je731 2 years ago 4
Thanks for mentioning the recessed Cannon pin. Since posting this video I have become aware of the two "tells", and I thank you greatly for pointing them out to the viewers. Additionally it should be pointed out that the H3 (Long) Cannon pin that is readily available on ebay, etc will easily correct this problem and is a favourite of replica modders.
breitlingsource 2 years ago
ya the canon pin deal is a fairly common mod. There are dealers on forums that charge about $450 for a replica that they build themselves and are modded along the way in the building process and you would be hard pressed to determine it is a replica unless you opened it up and knew what you were looking at.
arwt241 2 years ago
Check the luminor base left handed pic on the official paneraidotcom in the gallery section. Same swiss made script can be seen. So it don define the replica.
walkenhorst84 2 years ago
I have a replica of this model Panerai. Compared it to the same model Panerai face to face, the differences are readily apparent. Some of them are subtle, but some, like the action over the adjust, are overt. Also, the fake buckle is not as "fine", and the fonts and typefaces over the entire watch are slightly different than the real item.
All in all, for what I paid, it makes for a nice toy and a decent timepiece. I wouldn't want to wear it in a room full of Paneristi.
mattmacklind 2 years ago
Question is why is fakes so much cheaper? what would fakes cost if they were treated like the originals (wobbles, tints, better quality screws)? What quality of a watch would you care less about for a price drop of 3k$?
I must agree though, really nice review, I own pretty many original watches, and some fakes, just because the price difference is so vast, but I must say the screws for the strap is a hassle if they mess up the holes too much.
DefenderX 2 years ago
thanks for the review & we need more please
Panerai000 2 years ago
I agree with EmoreButts, it is amazing how sometimes they can make these watches looks almost exactly like the originals!
MrPlanetOcean 2 years ago 3
The Fakes are amazing considering the $5000 price difference. Stainless steel is stainless steel. I own a Marina Miltare"homage" and it has been a great watch. The accuracy too is impressive 8 sec. per day. For $130... I win.
EmoreButts 2 years ago 7
@EmoreButts lol you win? You're a poser.
breitlingsource 1 year ago
Thanks for the review. Just wondering where did you sourced your caseback opening tool and how much? It's aluminum right. Appreciate it.
zotshaft 2 years ago
did the fake feel nearly as heavy as the real one you have reviewed with it?
Anoon 2 years ago
they now make ETA movt's in china. check out RWI
drizzi990 2 years ago
I have to admit, he REALLY is nitpicking this thing. Most jewelers wouldn't notice the difference, and many Panny fakes have fooled plenty of experts.
You know, decorating the movement a certain way, applying the badges and logos correctly etc = almost real. At some point, the question rapidly becomes moot, since the price difference is so fantastic.
dldeucenine 2 years ago
Yeah, he's kind of an idiot, eh? (its me, by the way).
I guess I should have just shown the way for 10 seconds and say "No one can tell the difference. I if I mentioned them, i'd be nitpicking - end of review".
breitlingsource 2 years ago
Yeah but when yu walk down the street who can tell , you hardley take it off for the passer by to examine it .... I think £15,000 is over priced for what it is , £200 is about right , Fake or not the look sexy on your wrist ...
chazchazfbi 2 years ago
shoot the fake one is cooler with that blue tint
Anoon 3 years ago 7
in the dark, does the 12,3,6,9 have reflections off the side?
donny760 3 years ago
The rep world is like the dark side of the force--it's not all evil etc....but it is a huge risk and you better know what you are doing or you mine as well throw your money in a fireplace. repgeek is the best place to start. Remember that there are legal issues with fakes and while it is almost always legal to buy one, once they go bad they are good as paperweights--and that's about it. Overall, you are much better off to live in the genuine world.
eduardocenter 3 years ago 3
It is a Swiss movement because of the swan neck regulator.
HaloArchive 3 years ago
all the fakes have a unitas 6497 clone movement most likely a hangzhou. even though the replica websites may state a genuine swiss movement it is not. there are numerous homage panerais with genuine swiss unitas 6497.
1usc2 3 years ago
Damn! $250 for a fake!? That's close to 10 times the price I payed in China!
stewin01 3 years ago
just for information, there are genuines, replicas, and really good replicas. this rep is so so. there are much better ones. panerai are so popular now to rep they've gotten them down a lot better than this one. most gens reflect a little yellow from ones i've seen and you're right about reps they look a little blue
operacaster 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this vid. I seriously doubt that is a Swiss movement. Probably a cheezy chinese knock-off movement. This crap is cranked out in Hong Kong as fast as Elmo dolls for Christmas! Hit it with a hammer and destroy it.
potpagan 3 years ago
hihi, where did your friend get this Panerai PAM111? if u don't wanna disclose it here, would u mind sending it to my inbox please? thank you very much!
edisonbhola 3 years ago