If you did your research, that in its self is really easy now, just Google, you will find the investigation involved with this incident. It found that the control locks were left in during takeoff. Even if you are too lazy to do the research, blind Freddy can tell this is real footage. The Fake Brigade give me the shits, like I said, they are either Trolls or dumb, neither adds anything interesting to the video.
@unapro3 what is your issue unapro ...are you the wanker that made this video? and trying to feed it to people ...what a wanker you are going around calling people sausage around ....
if its sausage you want ...you are checking the wrong videos...
@oracle2world - I think a Checklist with just item: "Don't F*ck Up" is useless. Watching a video like this and merely concluding "Follow the Checklist" is nearly as useless. I believe it's worth speculating about exactly How and Why they F*ck'd up and also explore the possibility that they didn't. You should know that accident reports sometimes blame the Dead to shield the guilty that are still alive. We are still alive and can Question, Think & Plan to help stay alive.
If we just forget about this because the accident report said "Gust lock engaged" we haven't learned much of value. We need to think about what they could have done to stay alive from the moment of death back to after the pre-flight. I think if they had cut the throttle or otherwise killed the engines as soon as they knew something was wrong they would have made it. If seats slide back you might still kill the throttle with your feet. Whenever things happen fast we need trained responses.
@thenorq - they f*ed up. Why do you think there is a "gust lock engaged" interlock in the first place? Because you can't recover from that kind of screw up.
Another explanation is the seats slid back. That would explain why they couldn't cut the throttle. Oh, if you own a Cessna you can have a warranty fix for the pilots seat. Doesn't matter how old it is.
I agree with Sejo172. It's likely to be an aft CG issue. I mean who doesn't check controls? Reversed controls? Now that happens, but this doesn't look like that. It DOES look like what I imagine an unleashed cargo accident would look like. So, is Radical CG shift part of everyone's emergency checklist? If one is carrying cargo that COULD cause a CG issue then this SHOULD be part of the Check Lists for all phases of flight. In this case the last sure remedy would have been cutting power
@thenorq It shouldn't be Center of Gravity because it's a test flight. I'm more inclined to believe the official report, the locks on the control were still engaged when the wreck was sorted out.
@thenorq Yep, accident report. Gust lock engaged. Sinple as that. A Ford Trimotor replica drashed at an airshow for the same reason. Manouver looked the same. Simple pilot error.
I don't think the cause of the accident is what you say. I also don't believe that pilots didn't check 'controls free' for own safety. It would be more understandable that payload was not correctly tied and, when rolling and during the initial climb, it was displaced backward, moving the aircraft's Center Of Gravity backwards also, provoking the aricraft to be forced to fly with the Center Of gravity ouy of limits.
This is why you train with your hand on the throttle--anything not behaving normally means you cut power. If the rotation seemed a little fast cut power. If the pitch increases-cut power.
@Cannellrc "Not helping". Please, Einstein, explain to us mortals how the camera man would help. Run over an stamp out the flames before the crew got burned? Or perhaps he should have run over and caught the plane before it crashed. I sometimes wonder how people that can't spell "you", "stood" and "were" manage to get dressed in the morning without injuring themselves (actually, just you).
"The aircraft involved was an experimental, modified version of the Caribou which had undergone conversion to turbine power, and was being tested to check fuel and hydraulic systems on the date of the crash, 27 August 1992."
Augering in is a term used when someone enters a spin and can't recover before reaching ground level. The pilots natural response is to pull back on the yoke to gain altitude but the effect is to tighten the spin rotation until it's unrecoverable. Wasn't part of the problem here though...
Was in similar situation. Plane was checked, everything seemed OK - controls free, etc. Full throttle, 20, 30, 50 - taking off, and suddenly feeling how the elevators are going up, stick is trying to get off my hand. PUshed it with my leg, tried to rotate trim - recovered with a success.
It turned out, that some damn kids were sitting inside and playing with everything they found. At the end - broke the limiter.
Now I am litterally kicking them out, if I see one. BTW, I was just 16 then.
i've seen this posted somewhere before and it was commented as fake by multiple viewers..am sure as hell its real..maybe the colors on the airplane makes some viewers feel so, especially when it just thunders past the videocam
@winsun96 That's probably the camera white balance/shutter speed when the father (of the pilot) filming the video lowers the camera (presumably in shock) and triggered the camera to adjust to different scenery before he re-realized he was videoing and probably painfully mentally thought to continue videoing the rest of the disaster. When you point a camera at different things it autoadjusts differently, and sometimes doesn't completely autoadjust back...
maybe fake???? not saying u r really fake... but no one would be that calm after seeing this thing! at least say holy ****.... and then when u turned the camera, all the colours changed, so maybe that was a clip change... BTW the fire cant expand that fast.
@winsun96 Mate, Its NOT fake. Click on the explaination above, its easy to research this accident. The guy at the end who's says "its all over" was the father of one of the pilots.....
As a pilot myself I don't understand how ANY aircraft could take off with gust/control locks in place. A controls free and correct check is performed on aircraft from the simplest ultralight right up to the space shuttle ,sometimes twice before takeoff,so it begs the question why wasn't a THOROUGH (If any) preflight conducted? As a restricted category aircraft WITH TEST PILOTS should exemplify even more rigorous operating procedures. Are they sure it wasn't F.O.D ?
@goatlube Hello Goatlube, not sure the pilots were actually experienced "test pilots". The command pilot was the senior ranking pilot for Newcal, the co-pilot (who was replaced at the last minute) was an experienced piston Caribou pilot, but not experienced with turbines. The replacement co-pilot was not too experienced & he was also the owners son. Report said the gust locks were not fully disengaged & caused control lock up in the air. No 6 point controls test was seen to be done. They forgot.
Also seeing as i now Mr. Hart I can tell you people that the camera was stopped for about 3 minutes because the owner Mr. Hart was consoling the owner who had just lost his son. You can see by the video that the plane was about 500 yards away at impact but when you see the fire there standing way closer. Trust me everyone this was real and did happen. And I've talked with him about it many times. GUST LOCKS WHERE STILL ON. And on a previous flight he said the same thing almost got him .....
@149PCE You may be making a mistake many do. They conflate one actual real event with a purported & questionable video of that event. This video seemingly has numerous problems which is likely why people have debated it since around 1999 or 2000, when I first saw it. If you have specific knowledge pertaining to N400NC & would like to offer your opinion on various discrepancies, please do. For instance, some facts from the TSB crash report don't match the video. How can that be ?
@149PCE Yes. but out of the thousands of aviation videos, this one in particular generates questions of authenticity. The others do not. There are demonstrable reasons for that incredulity. For instance we know from TSB that the smoke is blowing in the wrong direction, the wind direction and speed was known at the exact time of the accident. Also, I've checked closely, this plane covers 920 feet in 7.2 seconds. That simply is impossible. A turbine converted Caribou can't accelerate that fast.
@Pvjinflight I know the actual crash is real, I've read the TSB crash report. The question has always been is the video authentic. The TSB report contradicts things seen in the video. For instance how to adequately explain the elapsed time of the T/O roll, that remains a problem.
@beeroosterm Canadian TSB stated the T/O roll was 900 feet yet this plane unsticks in 7+ seconds. Even an imbecile like yourself knows that a 22000 pound Caribou can't accelerate that fast :)The elapsed time of the T/O roll proves the video is not genuine. Before you waste time mentioning it, the aircraft is at the bottom of the runway at Gimli as it's well behind the access road on the right. We're seeing the entire roll. Now show us how smart you are & try to explain that.
@bigbird1188 You're just a lazy asshole/conspiracy theorist - and quite stupid and credulous to boot - along with the rest of the fools in here who make similar claims. Take the 2 minutes I did and visit the Pen Turbo website (the manufacturers of this turbo conversion). Their published STOL spec for the turbo Caribou ground run is 800 feet at MAX weight (28,500 lb. - not 22k, dipshit). YOU sir, are the imbecile. It's pearls before swine to go any further...
@beeroosterm Wrong again, dope. You obviously haven't read the crash report. Directly from TSB "The ground run of the accident flight was measured to be approximately 900 feet and was therefore more than 20 per cent longer than the performance charts predict." and "All ballast used on previous test flights had been removed. The total take-off weight for the accident flight is estimated to be 22,000 pounds." You're really not very good at this. You might try more research. 900 feet in 7 sec :)
@xMKIVxVR6x bigbird could be a tard in a giant yellow bigbird costume:) i dunno for certain this vid is real or not but the plane is actually stationary for quite a number of frames before it gets moving. open it in a video editor
@bigbird1188 newcal seems to still exist as does pen turbo but only pen is now doin the conversions these days.
@ beerostem- bigbird was correct about the weight being 22000 pounds. it says that in the TSB file.
@beeroosterm continued: It was NEWCAL AVIATION that performed the turboprop conversion, not Pen Turbo. Pen didn't even exist when NC400N crashed. Dope.
You made a very foolish mistake when failing to realize the problem lies with the elapsed time, not the distance covered. Now prepare your crayons & pay attention: wittle pwane go too fast down big wunway! No DH4, even with turboprops, can reach 900 feet in 7 sec. It's impossible. Even a resounding dope like you can realize that :-) Try harder
This is fake, notice how right after the crash the camera man points the camera down then all of a sudden the smoke is in the air and the plane exploded.. Doesnt happen that instantly
People, this is not the video of the actual crash. The real aircraft took off with flaps deployed: per the accident report, film, photo stills, eyewitnesses & visual ID of flap lever indicator after crash.
This "plane" has zero degree of flaps ! Its a fake ...
@treeguy57 Is English not your primary language ? You should practice reading comprehension prior to making decisions. This is not the video of THE ACTUAL CRASH. The real aircraft had flaps deployed on takeoff. The aircraft in this simulation DOES NOT. See the contradiction ? How can this be the real footage if it does not match the crash report ??
@bigbird1188 if this is fake, then they did a good job, but I find it convincing. Any anomalies you are seeing might be from the fuzzy quality of the film, or because you are up too late or something.
@edyken77 The Canadian TSB crash report contradicts how this plane behaves. Either TSB is wrong or this video is a fake. Everything past frame 591, the fire, looks like real video. Everything prior is a sim. Viewed in avidemux frame by frame (lots of free time after my heart attack :) there are errors. After viewing certain frames it's more obvious it is not real video. This crash occurred 20 years ago, & the people are dead & buried. I suppose it really doesn't matter now either way
@bigbird1188 ok can you elaborate on the frames that are wrong? And can you send me a link to the TSB report? You have my attention, so weird ~ it looks so real!
@edyken77 You may search for "James Donnelly Bombardier Aerospace, 2001 Australasian Air Safety Seminar" it brings up a a discussion safety experts had on the Gimli crash. It's of interest in that they say the video evidence showed slight rudder/hinge elevator/hinge movement right at start of takeoff run. There doesn't seem anyway the youtube video could show anything that detailed; rudder hinges deflecting ? At that distance its hard to see if it even has a rudder, let alone any movement.
@edyken77@edyken77 Hi I deleted that previous mssg as I may have gotten the frames wrong, though they may be right after all. I sent a mssg to you re TSB report A92C0154. Check frames 591(fire) this begins real video 590 looks fake. CK frame 534 frwd aircraft color change & wing tip issues/ many artifacts around plane looks blended/frame 353 begin some scale problems/frame 237 window issues & NO cockpit light at all/ left wing missing hinges, take off roll 7.5 seconds ? report stated long roll
@bigbird1188 I now the gentlemen you hear in the video he was my landlord. The video is real and it was 1 of 3 Flights left to certify the plane. Jim Hart was the Chief Pilot who was replaced minutes before takeoff with the owners son. Who didn't removed the Gust locks before takeoff. And I have talked to him about this day. It is Real And True And very tragic
@radridz3 A very simple question... The actual crash video was used by Bombadier in a safety seminar given by Mr James Donnelly, Manager, Product Safety, Bombardier Aerospace, in 2001. In this seminar, they discussed how the actual 8mm crash video showed how rudder & elevator control surface hinges were flexing & bowing out under deflection on the take off roll. Not such detail or anything even close to it is seen in any part of this video. If this is real, please explain the discrepancy.
@bigbird1188 I cant give you that answer. But I can tell you when I saw the footage I Called Mr. Hart who was the persons voice in the film . He told me the story about the events that day. The Gust Locks where most definitly in place. He said one time in pre-flight on a previous test they almost forgot them becuase they wheren't tied into the throttles. He said he caught it that day souly on the feel of the stick. seeing as he had lots of flights under his belt . He new the difference
@bigbird1188 OK Jim Hart said that 7 degree is un-noticable in most of the videos and he told me where all the info was.....penturbo(dot)com....It shows some of the other test fights and has a bunch of pics about the hole project I told him people where doubting the video so he's got the link and is gonna watch it. He also told me that it wasn't on 8mm camera. It was a up to date BETA Camera. But had low frame rates.HE said the reason why you dont notice the hinge is because of design...
@radridz3 At frame 280 & forward we see edge of flap is EVEN & in line with rest of wing, not lower, this is precisely the profile of zero degree flaps. Even with only 7 degrees of flaps, the back edge of that flap would still be lower than the wing edge, but it isnt. Caribous have 6 very large underwing hinges, at frame 291 we can see under the left wing BUT only 4 hinges are drawn 2 are completely missing ! They aren't hidden, the hinges just aren't there.
@radridz3 The film was 8mm since Hi8 is 8mm, BUT there is NO WAY this youtube video was filmed on Hi8. Video-Hi8 has a resolution of over 400 lines ! Even earlier Video-8 with 240 lines resolution is many times better than this vid. Video-Hi8 & Video-8 are not low frame rate films at all, nor were the cameras that used these films. The fire is a completely different type & quality video than the crash, the clarity frame rate & definition are many times better. What we see is here is not Hi8
@bigbird1188 This was a actual Test Flight and I personally now the gentlemen in the video. THis did happen and the reason was the control locks where still on. The stick still had 15 Degrees of play so Co-pilot thought they where disengaged. I have talked to him about this. He was my landlord. For many years. And he was the Chief Pilot and was replaced with the owners son 5 minutes before they took off. And thats the only reason Mr. Harts still around to talk about it.
@radridz3 We know the crash actually happened, what we don't know is whether this video is genuine. It certainly does not look genuine. You offer anecdotal statements, but fail to explain the problems with the video. How can an actual Caribou be missing the its under-wing hinges ? Why are the flaps on this aircraft NOT DEPLOYED when the real plane took off with flaps ? What evidence do you have this video is genuine ? You have explained the actual crash, but not the errors in the video.
@bigbird1188 I've also seen this video at his home well before it ever hit youtube. The full video I watched was on a high 8 cassette and showed taxi from hanger and clearance pause. And I dont now about statistics on website facts but I've seen this plane in other videos takeoff without flaps. There's short takeoff and stohl videos on the web but im still hunting for them . I'll call him tomorrow and ask. For further info and such. I was just putng my 2 cent in because I didnt want peps 2 doubt
@149PCE For the moment lets forget the flaps as they are debatable due to video quality. Even if we ignore all the issues related to poor video quality, of which there are about 30, we STILL see the Canadian TSB report contradicts documentary aspects of the video. Basic logic would suggest they can't both be correct when they do not coincide. How to explain the discrepancies ? Which is accurate & which isn't ? Certain elements here are physically impossible. We can't have it both ways.
@149PCE I have looked at over 400 Caribou pics on airlinersDOTnet. I am not convinced this plane has flaps deployed. After viewing those photos, we see that the curved down position you mention is present even when the flaps are not deployed. Look at the photos the wing profile of zero flaps, it looks very similar to what we see in the video. I suggested we ignore flaps as there is other evidence not reliant on video quality. I see no way the short ground roll can be accurate. Thoughts ?
to all those who think this is fake go to planecrashinfo. com and there is a record of the caribou and the 3 dead people on board this test flight! use the date from the video
to all those who think this is fake go to planecrashinfo. com and there is a record of the caribou and the 3 dead people on board this test flight! use the date from the video
wtf was this to test or did the pilot get like hit by another person and trying to take control or did the idot not no to fly up not all the way straight well rip
@zaphr89 bitch don't go hard on my ass and don't boss up on my shit you got me fucked up hoe and one other thing stop pushing you scunt yes not cunt scunt look it up
And they filmed this takeoff because this was supposed to be the last flight because they were putting turbine engines on a reciprocating engined airplane, and they were on their last flight before it would be certified to fly. They were planning a BBQ party right after the test flight
For "official" information on this "real" crash, go to the Aviation Safety Network (ASN) at flightsafety dotorg. It was the first test flight of this aircraft following conversion to gas-turbine engines. Mike Quirk (highly experienced test pilot and probably flying at the time of the crash) and Perry Niforos (listed as command pilot), plus a 3rd test pilot were all killed in this crash.
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If not faked, it must have been staged. The guy commenting on the vid sounds so calm and fake- "I cannot believe it. It's all over." .... give me a break. How convenient to just happen to have a camera on the spot. Notice the gap / missing footage in the video. Somethin' isn't right about this. Plane no doubt flown by remote control, or is a clever fake video using a radio control model plane and sound dubbing to sound like a real turbo prop.
The guy filming this went to Stevenson Aviation in Southport, Manitoba. I also went there (long after him), and my instructor used to teach him. He obviously turned off the camera after the crash, then turned it back on later. They left the mechanical gust-locks on the wings and elevators. It's not fake. The Pilot was the owner's child, and died.
I'm not going to wast my time insulting the idiot's here, I'm just going to educate them a little. It's fake and not even well done.
diablovt108vt109 1 day ago
checklists saves asses!!!!!!!!!
QQROR84 3 weeks ago
what the heck!!! That is very horrible!! Didn't they know they were too close to the ground
evilcoffee18 1 month ago
If you did your research, that in its self is really easy now, just Google, you will find the investigation involved with this incident. It found that the control locks were left in during takeoff. Even if you are too lazy to do the research, blind Freddy can tell this is real footage. The Fake Brigade give me the shits, like I said, they are either Trolls or dumb, neither adds anything interesting to the video.
unapro3 2 months ago
i dont get it ....looks too fake to me
shadowfax1903 2 months ago
@shadowfax1903 what don't you get? are you intellectually challenged?
unapro3 2 months ago
@unapro3 i think YOU didnt get my message there ...looks like you are the one with mental issues.
it looks fake .
shadowfax1903 2 months ago
I'm convinced this is fake...
hookiebookie1 3 months ago
@hookiebookie1 I'm convinced people that say "it's fake" are either trolls or have an IQ of a sausage
unapro3 2 months ago
@unapro3 Sausage it is then.
But seriously, it's fake.
hookiebookie1 2 months ago
@unapro3 what is your issue unapro ...are you the wanker that made this video? and trying to feed it to people ...what a wanker you are going around calling people sausage around ....
if its sausage you want ...you are checking the wrong videos...
shadowfax1903 2 months ago
I was on that plane and jumped out and broke my ankle!
relativeair 3 months ago
Looks like the payload goes straight to the tail when he take-off.
drjulio 4 months ago
R.I.P.
mrswagerondeckk 4 months ago
omg
necessaryevil101 4 months ago
ollrighty then...
skillbill83 4 months ago
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McPlaneModz 5 months ago
And just that quick!
fcunderwood 5 months ago
@oracle2world - I think a Checklist with just item: "Don't F*ck Up" is useless. Watching a video like this and merely concluding "Follow the Checklist" is nearly as useless. I believe it's worth speculating about exactly How and Why they F*ck'd up and also explore the possibility that they didn't. You should know that accident reports sometimes blame the Dead to shield the guilty that are still alive. We are still alive and can Question, Think & Plan to help stay alive.
thenorq 5 months ago
If we just forget about this because the accident report said "Gust lock engaged" we haven't learned much of value. We need to think about what they could have done to stay alive from the moment of death back to after the pre-flight. I think if they had cut the throttle or otherwise killed the engines as soon as they knew something was wrong they would have made it. If seats slide back you might still kill the throttle with your feet. Whenever things happen fast we need trained responses.
thenorq 5 months ago
@thenorq - they f*ed up. Why do you think there is a "gust lock engaged" interlock in the first place? Because you can't recover from that kind of screw up.
oracle2world 5 months ago
Another explanation is the seats slid back. That would explain why they couldn't cut the throttle. Oh, if you own a Cessna you can have a warranty fix for the pilots seat. Doesn't matter how old it is.
thenorq 5 months ago
@thenorq Accident report says gust lock engaged. Improper preflight.
pietenpol2010 5 months ago
I'll never understand how watching an air crash makes people forget how to use video cameras.
LeopardPyrate 5 months ago
it's all over folks see you next time
stugauju 5 months ago
that was an awful take off...
MyRighteousOne 5 months ago
so in laymen terms , he took off in the car while it was still on the jack? Im no pilot but this vid here should be labeled pilot error.
eman20083421 6 months ago
and their alive......and their dead.
megaduce104 6 months ago
I agree with Sejo172. It's likely to be an aft CG issue. I mean who doesn't check controls? Reversed controls? Now that happens, but this doesn't look like that. It DOES look like what I imagine an unleashed cargo accident would look like. So, is Radical CG shift part of everyone's emergency checklist? If one is carrying cargo that COULD cause a CG issue then this SHOULD be part of the Check Lists for all phases of flight. In this case the last sure remedy would have been cutting power
thenorq 6 months ago
@thenorq It shouldn't be Center of Gravity because it's a test flight. I'm more inclined to believe the official report, the locks on the control were still engaged when the wreck was sorted out.
leonquago 5 months ago
@thenorq Yep, accident report. Gust lock engaged. Sinple as that. A Ford Trimotor replica drashed at an airshow for the same reason. Manouver looked the same. Simple pilot error.
pietenpol2010 5 months ago
I don't think the cause of the accident is what you say. I also don't believe that pilots didn't check 'controls free' for own safety. It would be more understandable that payload was not correctly tied and, when rolling and during the initial climb, it was displaced backward, moving the aircraft's Center Of Gravity backwards also, provoking the aricraft to be forced to fly with the Center Of gravity ouy of limits.
sejo172 6 months ago
This is why you train with your hand on the throttle--anything not behaving normally means you cut power. If the rotation seemed a little fast cut power. If the pitch increases-cut power.
thenorq 6 months ago
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Cannellrc 6 months ago
@Cannellrc "Not helping". Please, Einstein, explain to us mortals how the camera man would help. Run over an stamp out the flames before the crew got burned? Or perhaps he should have run over and caught the plane before it crashed. I sometimes wonder how people that can't spell "you", "stood" and "were" manage to get dressed in the morning without injuring themselves (actually, just you).
ssouthur 6 months ago
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Cannellrc 6 months ago
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Cannellrc 6 months ago
@Cannellrc actually the person who filmed this is not the same one who put it on youtube.
TheDarthMuffin 6 months ago
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Cannellrc 6 months ago
@Cannellrc Helped what you clueless twit?
flanksteak2 6 months ago
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Cannellrc 6 months ago
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It has Just Begun !!
retro93292 6 months ago
"The aircraft involved was an experimental, modified version of the Caribou which had undergone conversion to turbine power, and was being tested to check fuel and hydraulic systems on the date of the crash, 27 August 1992."
sonnylatchstring 7 months ago
@sonnylatchstring were there people inside? and did they die?
RSaSheak 7 months ago
@RSaSheak
de Havilland Canada DHC-4T Caribou
Operator: NewCal Aviation
Fatalities: all 3
Gimli, MB (Canada)
sonnylatchstring 7 months ago
Augering in is a term used when someone enters a spin and can't recover before reaching ground level. The pilots natural response is to pull back on the yoke to gain altitude but the effect is to tighten the spin rotation until it's unrecoverable. Wasn't part of the problem here though...
catexan 7 months ago
Was in similar situation. Plane was checked, everything seemed OK - controls free, etc. Full throttle, 20, 30, 50 - taking off, and suddenly feeling how the elevators are going up, stick is trying to get off my hand. PUshed it with my leg, tried to rotate trim - recovered with a success.
It turned out, that some damn kids were sitting inside and playing with everything they found. At the end - broke the limiter.
Now I am litterally kicking them out, if I see one. BTW, I was just 16 then.
povilaskas 7 months ago
Forgeting about the preflight is one thing, what happened to controls full and free before the take off roll
blacls 8 months ago
i've seen this posted somewhere before and it was commented as fake by multiple viewers..am sure as hell its real..maybe the colors on the airplane makes some viewers feel so, especially when it just thunders past the videocam
rinsedpie 8 months ago
Rest their souls. Horrible accident.
lilacwinteraire 8 months ago
At least they didn't have long to think about their fate. R.I.P.
sjtom57 8 months ago 10
@winsun96 That's probably the camera white balance/shutter speed when the father (of the pilot) filming the video lowers the camera (presumably in shock) and triggered the camera to adjust to different scenery before he re-realized he was videoing and probably painfully mentally thought to continue videoing the rest of the disaster. When you point a camera at different things it autoadjusts differently, and sometimes doesn't completely autoadjust back...
mdrejhon 9 months ago
@mdrejhon the father was filming? thats so very sad
jeepnutnh 7 months ago
that's insane
bumlickme 9 months ago
Those of you who think it's fake: Look it up on the FAA's website and shut up already!
corebare 9 months ago
What is he thinking at 0:16 ?
Danind03 9 months ago
Hate to see what those bodies looked like afterwards.
motokid032 9 months ago
deperture stall
59cva 10 months ago
felt like some1 has cut my heart with sharp knife ... :-(
aahan1 10 months ago
That was Gimli MB. Those were brand new turbo props two. Very sad :(
MOTORHEAD32100 10 months ago
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MOTORHEAD32100 10 months ago
maybe fake???? not saying u r really fake... but no one would be that calm after seeing this thing! at least say holy ****.... and then when u turned the camera, all the colours changed, so maybe that was a clip change... BTW the fire cant expand that fast.
winsun96 10 months ago
@winsun96 Mate, Its NOT fake. Click on the explaination above, its easy to research this accident. The guy at the end who's says "its all over" was the father of one of the pilots.....
jagerfaust2009 9 months ago
@jagerfaust2009 wow... poor guy then... but do you know why did the colours all changed at 0:19?
winsun96 9 months ago
I cannot believe it... Calm voice.
ggdavis 10 months ago
I cannot... belive that its all over either!
Peterr86 10 months ago
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ah forgot my coffee...im goin back
MrMbrown82 10 months ago
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MrMbrown82 10 months ago
Was this some sort of crash test...Well...It crashed.
megashegem 10 months ago
this whole thing looks kinda... fake. im not saying that it IS, im just saying that its not very convincing...
heyyninaa 11 months ago
its all over
kenwesney 11 months ago
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i cannot believe it.
kenwesney 11 months ago
It looked like he intended to do that from the very beginning.
Vrisak93 11 months ago
@NakenKenguruTiss
no one survive..and unfortunately they can't rebuild it, because the pilot/builder is there
rickalican 1 year ago
PT-6-67 Turboprops? are you sure ??? (Pratt n Whitney)
ssspakosss 1 year ago
EXECUTION of the HAMMERHEAD!!!
rednoseroxy 1 year ago
the way the guy handles it makes me think it's fake
TheVideowave 1 year ago
11 seconds it was in the air.
man that was one wasted pilot.
simmiemj 1 year ago
This is what happens when you forget to remove the gust locks.
xMKIVxVR6x 1 year ago
You know if you closely at the cut off part(0:19)just seconds after the crash you can see the explosion seconds before(0:20)
antwon369 1 year ago
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antwon369 1 year ago
@Supafly1233 It has flaps, and plane can climb like that for small time and then stall. PIlot forgot yoke lock on.
Pvjinflight 1 year ago
@Supafly1233 its not
Pvjinflight 1 year ago
royal fuck up
muzzy7575 1 year ago
I think the pilot still alive :p
GUIDE747 1 year ago
this is not a fake... check the net for more info.. the plane was upgraded.. somehow not properly!
manhenk 1 year ago
look Ma! No hands!
scruffyrunkin 1 year ago 3
@Supafly1233 its the turbo prop version. i think.. thats the only logical explanation for its climb rate.
knifeedge63 1 year ago
i believe it crashed because it slammed into the ground.
f0rn1c0n 1 year ago 13
@f0rn1c0n i don't get it...
johnsoncuiChina 6 months ago
@f0rn1c0n less funny talk more R.I.P for the men inside!
dillman1999 5 months ago
Listen to all you fucking experts.
Basically this 'accident' happened because it hit the ground too hard.
bufferbrown 1 year ago 2
Natural Selection
bufferbrown 1 year ago
As a pilot myself I don't understand how ANY aircraft could take off with gust/control locks in place. A controls free and correct check is performed on aircraft from the simplest ultralight right up to the space shuttle ,sometimes twice before takeoff,so it begs the question why wasn't a THOROUGH (If any) preflight conducted? As a restricted category aircraft WITH TEST PILOTS should exemplify even more rigorous operating procedures. Are they sure it wasn't F.O.D ?
goatlube 1 year ago
@goatlube Hello Goatlube, not sure the pilots were actually experienced "test pilots". The command pilot was the senior ranking pilot for Newcal, the co-pilot (who was replaced at the last minute) was an experienced piston Caribou pilot, but not experienced with turbines. The replacement co-pilot was not too experienced & he was also the owners son. Report said the gust locks were not fully disengaged & caused control lock up in the air. No 6 point controls test was seen to be done. They forgot.
bigbird1188 1 year ago
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149PCE 1 year ago
Is this what they call ... "augering in"?
oracle2world 1 year ago 39
@oracle2world
Definitely.
leroymoorejr 8 months ago
@oracle2world less funny talk more R.I.P for the men inside!
dillman1999 5 months ago
@dillman1999 - Thinning of the herd. Some of those "bold" pilots that never make it to "old". Uh, am I missing something here?
oracle2world 5 months ago
What goes up ... must come down.
oracle2world 1 year ago 2
Also seeing as i now Mr. Hart I can tell you people that the camera was stopped for about 3 minutes because the owner Mr. Hart was consoling the owner who had just lost his son. You can see by the video that the plane was about 500 yards away at impact but when you see the fire there standing way closer. Trust me everyone this was real and did happen. And I've talked with him about it many times. GUST LOCKS WHERE STILL ON. And on a previous flight he said the same thing almost got him .....
radridz3 1 year ago
is this real cause that guy didnt sound too concerned about wat happened. if that ever happened and i saw it i would be screamin OMG!
jstone114 1 year ago
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@jstone114 well thats you
talon55130 1 year ago
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149PCE 1 year ago
@149PCE You may be making a mistake many do. They conflate one actual real event with a purported & questionable video of that event. This video seemingly has numerous problems which is likely why people have debated it since around 1999 or 2000, when I first saw it. If you have specific knowledge pertaining to N400NC & would like to offer your opinion on various discrepancies, please do. For instance, some facts from the TSB crash report don't match the video. How can that be ?
bigbird1188 1 year ago
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149PCE 1 year ago
@149PCE Yes. but out of the thousands of aviation videos, this one in particular generates questions of authenticity. The others do not. There are demonstrable reasons for that incredulity. For instance we know from TSB that the smoke is blowing in the wrong direction, the wind direction and speed was known at the exact time of the accident. Also, I've checked closely, this plane covers 920 feet in 7.2 seconds. That simply is impossible. A turbine converted Caribou can't accelerate that fast.
bigbird1188 1 year ago
@bigbird1188 This crash can be found from Plane crash data, so this is real.
Pvjinflight 1 year ago
@Pvjinflight I know the actual crash is real, I've read the TSB crash report. The question has always been is the video authentic. The TSB report contradicts things seen in the video. For instance how to adequately explain the elapsed time of the T/O roll, that remains a problem.
bigbird1188 1 year ago
@bigbird1188 What kind of a fucking idiot are you? Oh, yes...the kind that is far too stupid to understand the obvious.
beeroosterm 1 year ago
@beeroosterm Canadian TSB stated the T/O roll was 900 feet yet this plane unsticks in 7+ seconds. Even an imbecile like yourself knows that a 22000 pound Caribou can't accelerate that fast :)The elapsed time of the T/O roll proves the video is not genuine. Before you waste time mentioning it, the aircraft is at the bottom of the runway at Gimli as it's well behind the access road on the right. We're seeing the entire roll. Now show us how smart you are & try to explain that.
bigbird1188 1 year ago
@bigbird1188 You're just a lazy asshole/conspiracy theorist - and quite stupid and credulous to boot - along with the rest of the fools in here who make similar claims. Take the 2 minutes I did and visit the Pen Turbo website (the manufacturers of this turbo conversion). Their published STOL spec for the turbo Caribou ground run is 800 feet at MAX weight (28,500 lb. - not 22k, dipshit). YOU sir, are the imbecile. It's pearls before swine to go any further...
beeroosterm 1 year ago
@beeroosterm Wrong again, dope. You obviously haven't read the crash report. Directly from TSB "The ground run of the accident flight was measured to be approximately 900 feet and was therefore more than 20 per cent longer than the performance charts predict." and "All ballast used on previous test flights had been removed. The total take-off weight for the accident flight is estimated to be 22,000 pounds." You're really not very good at this. You might try more research. 900 feet in 7 sec :)
bigbird1188 1 year ago
@bigbird1188
Did you stop and think that maybe, just maybe, the plane was rolling before the video began? Conspiracy tard.
xMKIVxVR6x 1 year ago
@xMKIVxVR6x bigbird could be a tard in a giant yellow bigbird costume:) i dunno for certain this vid is real or not but the plane is actually stationary for quite a number of frames before it gets moving. open it in a video editor
@bigbird1188 newcal seems to still exist as does pen turbo but only pen is now doin the conversions these days.
@ beerostem- bigbird was correct about the weight being 22000 pounds. it says that in the TSB file.
bevwawa 1 year ago
@beeroosterm continued: It was NEWCAL AVIATION that performed the turboprop conversion, not Pen Turbo. Pen didn't even exist when NC400N crashed. Dope.
You made a very foolish mistake when failing to realize the problem lies with the elapsed time, not the distance covered. Now prepare your crayons & pay attention: wittle pwane go too fast down big wunway! No DH4, even with turboprops, can reach 900 feet in 7 sec. It's impossible. Even a resounding dope like you can realize that :-) Try harder
bigbird1188 1 year ago
i hope no 1 died
mickystormont 1 year ago
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bigbird1188 1 year ago
this fake?? it does not seem fake... it looks pretty real actually...
Arkthurius 1 year ago
oh fuck!
verrrr1 1 year ago 29
if it's a fake the crash is really realistic, good job. but i think it s not a fake.
krakoukas38 1 year ago
They all got what they deserved. I found it quite funny to watch as well.
TTUsucks88 1 year ago
This is fake, notice how right after the crash the camera man points the camera down then all of a sudden the smoke is in the air and the plane exploded.. Doesnt happen that instantly
XxMotoChrisxX 1 year ago
@XxMotoChrisxX you're an idiot
darraghk1989 1 year ago
@darraghk1989 how am i the idiot you fuck bag?
XxMotoChrisxX 1 year ago
i find it weird how the camera man isnt freaking out at all.. he seemed way to calm
anonymzs 1 year ago
People, this is not the video of the actual crash. The real aircraft took off with flaps deployed: per the accident report, film, photo stills, eyewitnesses & visual ID of flap lever indicator after crash.
This "plane" has zero degree of flaps ! Its a fake ...
bigbird1188 1 year ago 15
@bigbird1188 you don't know what you're talking about. jackass. checkout incident report for RCAF Base Gimli. it happened there, recorded. jackass.
treeguy57 1 year ago
@treeguy57 Is English not your primary language ? You should practice reading comprehension prior to making decisions. This is not the video of THE ACTUAL CRASH. The real aircraft had flaps deployed on takeoff. The aircraft in this simulation DOES NOT. See the contradiction ? How can this be the real footage if it does not match the crash report ??
bigbird1188 1 year ago
@bigbird1188 seriously? This is completely real.
edyken77 1 year ago
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bigbird1188 1 year ago
@bigbird1188 if this is fake, then they did a good job, but I find it convincing. Any anomalies you are seeing might be from the fuzzy quality of the film, or because you are up too late or something.
edyken77 1 year ago
@edyken77 The Canadian TSB crash report contradicts how this plane behaves. Either TSB is wrong or this video is a fake. Everything past frame 591, the fire, looks like real video. Everything prior is a sim. Viewed in avidemux frame by frame (lots of free time after my heart attack :) there are errors. After viewing certain frames it's more obvious it is not real video. This crash occurred 20 years ago, & the people are dead & buried. I suppose it really doesn't matter now either way
bigbird1188 1 year ago
@bigbird1188 ok can you elaborate on the frames that are wrong? And can you send me a link to the TSB report? You have my attention, so weird ~ it looks so real!
edyken77 1 year ago
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bigbird1188 1 year ago
@edyken77 You may search for "James Donnelly Bombardier Aerospace, 2001 Australasian Air Safety Seminar" it brings up a a discussion safety experts had on the Gimli crash. It's of interest in that they say the video evidence showed slight rudder/hinge elevator/hinge movement right at start of takeoff run. There doesn't seem anyway the youtube video could show anything that detailed; rudder hinges deflecting ? At that distance its hard to see if it even has a rudder, let alone any movement.
bigbird1188 1 year ago
@edyken77 @edyken77 Hi I deleted that previous mssg as I may have gotten the frames wrong, though they may be right after all. I sent a mssg to you re TSB report A92C0154. Check frames 591(fire) this begins real video 590 looks fake. CK frame 534 frwd aircraft color change & wing tip issues/ many artifacts around plane looks blended/frame 353 begin some scale problems/frame 237 window issues & NO cockpit light at all/ left wing missing hinges, take off roll 7.5 seconds ? report stated long roll
bigbird1188 1 year ago
@bigbird1188 I now the gentlemen you hear in the video he was my landlord. The video is real and it was 1 of 3 Flights left to certify the plane. Jim Hart was the Chief Pilot who was replaced minutes before takeoff with the owners son. Who didn't removed the Gust locks before takeoff. And I have talked to him about this day. It is Real And True And very tragic
radridz3 1 year ago
@radridz3 A very simple question... The actual crash video was used by Bombadier in a safety seminar given by Mr James Donnelly, Manager, Product Safety, Bombardier Aerospace, in 2001. In this seminar, they discussed how the actual 8mm crash video showed how rudder & elevator control surface hinges were flexing & bowing out under deflection on the take off roll. Not such detail or anything even close to it is seen in any part of this video. If this is real, please explain the discrepancy.
bigbird1188 1 year ago
@bigbird1188 I cant give you that answer. But I can tell you when I saw the footage I Called Mr. Hart who was the persons voice in the film . He told me the story about the events that day. The Gust Locks where most definitly in place. He said one time in pre-flight on a previous test they almost forgot them becuase they wheren't tied into the throttles. He said he caught it that day souly on the feel of the stick. seeing as he had lots of flights under his belt . He new the difference
radridz3 1 year ago
@bigbird1188 Also the hole videos about 15 minutes long. And I'll get back to you about flap and what test flight this was.....
radridz3 1 year ago
@bigbird1188 OK Jim Hart said that 7 degree is un-noticable in most of the videos and he told me where all the info was.....penturbo(dot)com....It shows some of the other test fights and has a bunch of pics about the hole project I told him people where doubting the video so he's got the link and is gonna watch it. He also told me that it wasn't on 8mm camera. It was a up to date BETA Camera. But had low frame rates.HE said the reason why you dont notice the hinge is because of design...
radridz3 1 year ago
@radridz3 At frame 280 & forward we see edge of flap is EVEN & in line with rest of wing, not lower, this is precisely the profile of zero degree flaps. Even with only 7 degrees of flaps, the back edge of that flap would still be lower than the wing edge, but it isnt. Caribous have 6 very large underwing hinges, at frame 291 we can see under the left wing BUT only 4 hinges are drawn 2 are completely missing ! They aren't hidden, the hinges just aren't there.
bigbird1188 1 year ago
@radridz3 The film was 8mm since Hi8 is 8mm, BUT there is NO WAY this youtube video was filmed on Hi8. Video-Hi8 has a resolution of over 400 lines ! Even earlier Video-8 with 240 lines resolution is many times better than this vid. Video-Hi8 & Video-8 are not low frame rate films at all, nor were the cameras that used these films. The fire is a completely different type & quality video than the crash, the clarity frame rate & definition are many times better. What we see is here is not Hi8
bigbird1188 1 year ago
@bigbird1188 This was a actual Test Flight and I personally now the gentlemen in the video. THis did happen and the reason was the control locks where still on. The stick still had 15 Degrees of play so Co-pilot thought they where disengaged. I have talked to him about this. He was my landlord. For many years. And he was the Chief Pilot and was replaced with the owners son 5 minutes before they took off. And thats the only reason Mr. Harts still around to talk about it.
radridz3 1 year ago
@radridz3 We know the crash actually happened, what we don't know is whether this video is genuine. It certainly does not look genuine. You offer anecdotal statements, but fail to explain the problems with the video. How can an actual Caribou be missing the its under-wing hinges ? Why are the flaps on this aircraft NOT DEPLOYED when the real plane took off with flaps ? What evidence do you have this video is genuine ? You have explained the actual crash, but not the errors in the video.
bigbird1188 1 year ago
@bigbird1188 I've also seen this video at his home well before it ever hit youtube. The full video I watched was on a high 8 cassette and showed taxi from hanger and clearance pause. And I dont now about statistics on website facts but I've seen this plane in other videos takeoff without flaps. There's short takeoff and stohl videos on the web but im still hunting for them . I'll call him tomorrow and ask. For further info and such. I was just putng my 2 cent in because I didnt want peps 2 doubt
radridz3 1 year ago
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149PCE 1 year ago
@149PCE For the moment lets forget the flaps as they are debatable due to video quality. Even if we ignore all the issues related to poor video quality, of which there are about 30, we STILL see the Canadian TSB report contradicts documentary aspects of the video. Basic logic would suggest they can't both be correct when they do not coincide. How to explain the discrepancies ? Which is accurate & which isn't ? Certain elements here are physically impossible. We can't have it both ways.
bigbird1188 1 year ago
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149PCE 1 year ago
@149PCE I have looked at over 400 Caribou pics on airlinersDOTnet. I am not convinced this plane has flaps deployed. After viewing those photos, we see that the curved down position you mention is present even when the flaps are not deployed. Look at the photos the wing profile of zero flaps, it looks very similar to what we see in the video. I suggested we ignore flaps as there is other evidence not reliant on video quality. I see no way the short ground roll can be accurate. Thoughts ?
bigbird1188 1 year ago
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FAKE FAKE FAKE and GAY!!!!!!!!!!
1. you cant take off that vertical with take off speed.
2. i could swear there was a frame change between the thime the plane crashed, and when there was fire.
3. you have access to be able to stand near the run way... (usually no people are allowed at that area.)
4. you need to take acting lessons your reaction was NOT beliveable... get something better to do with your life...
"I cannot belive it......" man shut the hell up...
DRAGONIRONFIST 1 year ago
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oh man :( Thats awful. :(
Poor pilots. RIP
VMW108 1 year ago
oh man :( Thats awful. :(
Poor pilots. RIP
VMW108 1 year ago
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to all those who think this is fake go to planecrashinfo. com and there is a record of the caribou and the 3 dead people on board this test flight! use the date from the video
1208punk 1 year ago
to all those who think this is fake go to planecrashinfo. com and there is a record of the caribou and the 3 dead people on board this test flight! use the date from the video
1208punk 1 year ago
@1208punk The crash did actually occur, and this video is certainly not of the real crash. Too many factual errors in the video...
bigbird1188 1 year ago
what the 0:19 when the carema view the plane again 0:21 WTF.
jepkurt09 1 year ago
for these sort of incidents, we have the NTSB to investigate, and then youtube viewers
minipilot15 1 year ago
wtf was this to test or did the pilot get like hit by another person and trying to take control or did the idot not no to fly up not all the way straight well rip
tommy19470rocks 1 year ago
@tommy19470rocks Read the fucking info idiot... And while you're at it, learn to spell it is pitifull.
zaphr89 1 year ago
@zaphr89 you suck my dick nigha
tommy19470rocks 1 year ago
@tommy19470rocks Shut tha fudge up ya punk ass mafucka!
zaphr89 1 year ago
@zaphr89 bitch don't go hard on my ass and don't boss up on my shit you got me fucked up hoe and one other thing stop pushing you scunt yes not cunt scunt look it up
tommy19470rocks 1 year ago
@tommy19470rocks Haha, hilarious man
zaphr89 1 year ago
@zaphr89 pitiful (lol)
muzlinkage 1 year ago
RIP
SuperFsxpilot 1 year ago
pre flight check FAIL
TheAwesome181 1 year ago
And they filmed this takeoff because this was supposed to be the last flight because they were putting turbine engines on a reciprocating engined airplane, and they were on their last flight before it would be certified to fly. They were planning a BBQ party right after the test flight
hiebs3 1 year ago
Its all over all right
6047223521 1 year ago
For "official" information on this "real" crash, go to the Aviation Safety Network (ASN) at flightsafety dotorg. It was the first test flight of this aircraft following conversion to gas-turbine engines. Mike Quirk (highly experienced test pilot and probably flying at the time of the crash) and Perry Niforos (listed as command pilot), plus a 3rd test pilot were all killed in this crash.
BearFlight 2 years ago
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If not faked, it must have been staged. The guy commenting on the vid sounds so calm and fake- "I cannot believe it. It's all over." .... give me a break. How convenient to just happen to have a camera on the spot. Notice the gap / missing footage in the video. Somethin' isn't right about this. Plane no doubt flown by remote control, or is a clever fake video using a radio control model plane and sound dubbing to sound like a real turbo prop.
Milstar73 2 years ago
1: Who would possibly stage the destruction of a real aircraft just to make a video hoax?
2: Maybe because he knew there was no hope in the crew surviving?
3: Oh, because it's soooooo uncommon to be filming any aircraft taking off. Nice assumption.
4: More than likely due to handling the camera poorly in shock, then editing out those parts to the aftermath seconds after.
5: Uhh, no. It's pretty stupid controlling an aircraft that size via RC.
Starting to believe Youtube users never think.
AkatsukiCentral 2 years ago
its real watched it in my aviation safety class in college
lunchbag08 1 year ago
The guy filming this went to Stevenson Aviation in Southport, Manitoba. I also went there (long after him), and my instructor used to teach him. He obviously turned off the camera after the crash, then turned it back on later. They left the mechanical gust-locks on the wings and elevators. It's not fake. The Pilot was the owner's child, and died.
hiebs3 1 year ago