Bujinkan Brussels Ninpo Taijutsu - Juppô Sesshô II

[maceioninjutsu]

This shihan and ukes suck!

[stealthcat82]

Ummm........ really sorry but those who say this is shit are really thick!!!

These are not self defence techniques but drills to understand how to manipulate an opponent i.e martial science not combat........... it is when you lace this with combat drills that really improve technique.

So again sorry to those who are shallow minded and dont see the bigger picture..... but if you just want to kick and punch join kickboxing!!!

That is all :-)

[bergis81]

@stealthcat82

But do they EVER train in a more realistic fashion? Like massattacks when 3-4 people attacks at once with real punches and kicks.. not the overextended shit we see here.

[psyckho666]

@bergis81 If you expect an art martial to learn you how to fight against 4 people attacking you at fullspeed with real punch and kicks on a lesson with mostly white belts and green belts, Good luck finding it. They do train in more realistic fashion, but you need to learn to walk before running o,o

Plus, You need to feel it to understand. And trust me when I say you DO feel it.

[bergis81]

@psyckho666

Please send me a link for a demonstration where they do real attacks. I.e not overextend punches or stop fighting as soon as the "master" gets a hold of their wrist. A krav maga practitioner would fucking murder these guys..

[psyckho666]

@bergis81 You seem to misunderstand the difference between a martial art and self-defence. This is not something made to be learned quickly. About them stopping when the master get a hold on the wrist, what you are seeing is absolutely not sparring, neither trainning. It's a demonstration for the students to see the exercise. Maybe he would'nt even use that technique in that situation : It's for the students and the uke to learn. =)

[stealthcat82]

@bergis81 To be honest i have never trained realistically with the Bujinkan ..... hence why i left and trained under Koga and eventually started my own free style school in which we have scrapped the crap and have now replaced with modern day techniques and drills, my lessons normally begin with 4 against 1 , just to get people warm lol!!!!! however the techniques shown hear do serve a really good purpose..especially when applied to live drills towards end of lesson, my white belts do it too!!

[61385]

very good martial artist, what people clearly cant see is your manipulation of balance with the Ukes, brilliant.

[KanzlerM]

:27 - it's very helpful when your enemy throws himself to the ground.

[kumogakuredojo]

I don't really see the juppo sessho gata in this video. The principles are of course debatable, but I don't know about the kata...

[MrDontstareitsrude]

This is pitiful I do bujinkan ninpo and daito ryu and we train properly this guy should not even be a black belt he should be a white and be taught properly.

Honestly people ninpo is a very good art to learn this guy is making it look very shitty indeed and agree with everyone's remarks about it on this vid.

I train a lot differently to these yes I have a laugh but we all put 100% into the training and come away with bruises cus that shows the moves work so I can experiance it for myself

[Jarerk]

Thanks for sharing. One of the finest vids ive ever seen about that technique. It takes at least 20yrs to get this really flow. Most important - this is real exercises. Everyone howz talking "shit" must know that better... hehe...

[leomixkine]

THAT SHIT!!!!!!!!!, Do not you ashamed of doing something so wrong?, I am of the Bujinkan... there really a shame that people who believe in this.

LIARS!!!!!!!!

[TheNinjaBudo]

@leomixkine I would know, why did you said that? Is this guy do not of bujinkan school? can you explain to me?

thank you.

[kalmah321]

this guy is the reason why bujinkan gets a shitty name

[232323C]

thye difference here is that he is teaching body movement.....the methods are useful when they are integrated as movement rather than thought of as just self defense techniques..the movement can be utilized for anything ...defense ..whatever ya like..very good!

[properjujitsu]

This is sooooooooooooooooo wack!

[232323C]

this was great......buddhaV is DEAD wrong......

[BuddhaViolations]

Atrocious. Yet another reason why Ninpo gets no respect.

[ofoma100]

what is that supose to mean

[NixonSWK]

yeah...Ninpo seen her is ridicilous,they are casting a shame in ninjutsu by this way

[ninjanerd8]

How come when the Uke gets caught off balance by the technique he stays in the exact same position for four or five seconds until he's finally knocked over... Do people on the street let themselves fall over without taking a step to regain their balance?

[kungfuninja314]

The way their balance is often taken does no allow for movement, the body doesnt have muscles in the direction neccisary to right yourself in some of these situations and the only other option is to fall on the back of your head...so your body naturaly freezes in place... thats the best explination i can give without showing you, hope it helps.

[ninjanerd8]

Your body does have the muscles, you use them everytime you lose your balance. You don't have to explain it to me because I've felt the techniques and it's not impossible to correct your posture. The key to catching your opponent off balance is acting quickly instead of waiting there for him to let himself fall.

[kemele]

so what do you expect? if he's "teaching" why would he make the fast move and go on breaking student's bones? or the word "teaching" means nothing to you?

[ninjanerd8]

So he's a black belt but he can't even demonstrate a technique properly without hurting his Uke? You lose, shut up.

[ofoma100]

well it wont work unlees you how to keep you self balanced

[KurokageBujinkan]

I've seen them and learned a lot from examining their movement as well. Wonderful taijutsu. And it's very true that there are many wearing the badge that you wonder where they get their notions from... It's important to be able to learn things from everyone you see, even if minor or even if it's to recognize what you don't like. You don't like this type of movement, but that doesn't mean you can't learn from it.

One man's trash is anothers treasure. Many hate the Bujinkan simply on principle.

[funcksushi]

Yes, the Brussels (nothing personal) videos are a good example of taijustu when leaving the tai at home and hardly dancing (not walking) thru the jutsu. Scary part is that so many practice like that. Where's the self criticism??

The problem is the shifting quality of instructors and students. Most videos don't give the school a fair representation. And you wonder why people laugh at Bujinkan??

[funcksushi]

It's not about defining right or wrong or good or bad in fast or slow practice, It's about western instructors playing variations rather than teaching their younger students proper basics. Soke can do whatever he feels like, he is the art. The people trying to imitate his skills, stamina, knowledge are making fools of themselves and throw dirt at the one's that take (took) some pride in being bujinkan.

Someone drops a fart and everybody clap their hands...it's like an apple seminar.

[kungfuninja314]

you make some very good points... I personaly teach with the same ideas as yours in mind... this instructor though good, is doing alot more showing off his skills than teaching the important unseen aspects to his students... Its fun to watch but certainly does not make good instruction...

[houtmeyers]

Why do all the students look like nerds? Is it to trick the enemy? "Oh, he looks like an out of shape star wars fan who has seen too many ninja films and thinks he can become one by standing around in some woods on a lazy afternoon." That might work.

[KurokageBujinkan]

Why are commenters lately resorting to ad hominem remarks instead of genuine critique and/or argument?

Great footage. The relaxed flow of tori's defense here is incredible. These videos are some of my favorite Bujinkan related videos. Great examples of how important balance and proper extension is, as well as the subtle manipulations that occur with light contact when hard contact is expected.

[houtmeyers]

I was giving genuine critique. These are not martial artists, but a bunch of dildos with clearly no physical ability whatsoever

[KurokageBujinkan]

So you claim. Yet you show no evidence to support said claim (that is, "why"), but rather make remarks of a personal nature against the martial artists in the film. I see a group of practitioners learning fundamentals of balance in a theme related to traditional Japanese martial arts (Koteki Ryuda Juppo Sessho no Jutsu), which can be seen throughout Takagi Yoshin Ryu, if I remember correctly. It's training, not "kick the snot out of each other in the park." Now shut up and train.

[funcksushi]

hey please..."tori's defense here is incredible" and "subtle manipulation"!?? The video is nothing less than wishful thinking. Also all the Uke's in general have a distance, movement and stance like a haysack. Compare this to any basic application done by any japanese shihan, Noguchi, Nagato and others or look around in the surroundings; Manaka's Jinenkan or Doron Navon's Akban principles of training and grade's. This isn't training, it's spineless.

[KurokageBujinkan]

You remember the 2004 Daikomyosai? Juppo Sessho is one of those things that's a real privilege to get exposed to...

Yes, this isn't typical movement. There's a lot that isn't great (a lot of the Uke tend to overextend on their punches and give up their balance). But the point is subtle feeling. There's a time for hard and a time for soft.

Frankly, I wish I had movement like a haystack: stable base, able to absorb, easily moved by the wind (change). We should all aspire to be haystacks ;)

[funcksushi]

Ok, so Juppo Sessho is a real privelege to get exposed to..

In a basic definition you can't see or teach Juppo Sessho, it's a feeling. In my view you have to not only understand a "form" but control it and feel it before you can break it down. If your basics are crap how can you achieve a level where you truly can be free in performance, substain the feeling but still execute a working technique or more freely a principle.

[funcksushi]

Here are some of the problems:

1) This type of practice is very typical movement for many dojo's. Thay practice like this all the time.

2) This thing you call a punch from Uke is just a sad excuse even by kyu grade standards.

3) The Subtle feeling isn't there, if you don't understand it you probably can't feel it either.

[funcksushi]

4) The question isn't about being or doing hard or soft, it's about training without spirit or call it performing movements without spine.

5) your comment on the haystack just tells me you don't wan't to understand my point. My point is exactly the opposite; unstable base, unability to absorb and even less ability to change and adapt.

I think you should all aspire to learn basic taijustu before you try to float away in rethorical dreams.

[KurokageBujinkan]

Yes, and how does one demonstrate the feeling of Juppo Sessho? Maybe this is too loft or too much of a rhetorical a dream for your taste...

Maybe we simply misunderstand each other? I recognize something in them (that is, Tori) that I can admire. If you can't, que sera sera.

I count myself blessed to have had great teachers and great experiences. Obviously, you have some problems seeing good in a demonstration.

Did you mean something other than a haystack (perhaps inverted brick pyramid)?

[funcksushi]

My point is Soke can demonstrate or probably describe juppo sesho, as for the rest extremely few shihans can.

I can admire the ambition and intention of the posted video but not the performance in it.

if a demo is good it's good this isn't.

[funcksushi]

also please note i originally wrote haysack not haystack. I'd say sack of potatoes better describes my point.

[KurokageBujinkan]

re: Haysack/Haystack -- My bad. Damn eyesight. Though what a haysack is, I'll admit I've no clue. And apparently, neither does a dictionary.

As for the rest, I respect your view, but strongly disagree. JS is taught by demonstrating feeling. I'm certain that any attempt at description would fall short, even Soke's. "Painting pictures in the sky" is fairly apt: if you think you're seeing something, you're not. If you think you're not, you probably are.

[funcksushi]

oh sorry my english doesn't live up to your standards...would "hay sack" be better than "haysack".

Hay; grass or clover cut and dried for use as forage.

Sack; a large bag of strong, coarsely woven material, as for grain, potatoes etc (or maybe even hay)

Don't get too stuck on Juppo Sesho it just happened to be the example in this case. I'm talking about practice in general and really shit videos. Most video's are not only poor as demos but even poor examples of everyday practice.

[KurokageBujinkan]

You're precious! Can I keep you?

No, seriously. Everybody and their dog has a different view anymore on how training should or should not be conducted in the Bujinkan. This argument has been going on longer than most can remember. I've even heard guys say Soke is doing it wrong (!). So whatever: it is what it is and there's no sense being nasty.

Still think it's a great example. Like riding a motorcycle: sure, you can do it at 25, 35, 50 mph. Now do it at 5. Changes things and shifts focus.

[funcksushi]

I know I'm precious, I wanna touch myself all day long.

And I wear sunglasses when looking into a mirror.

Driving a motorcycle at 5 mph makes factors like balance, distance etc even more important, dropping all basic parameters while doing it and you don't learn anything or go anywhere.

Just because someone wears a bujinkan badge doesn't make them a good example. There are good videos of bujinkan instructors like Arnaud Cousergue, Sveneric Bogsäter and others. Watch & Compare.

[RekLawXeRo]

I would love to get a chance to train with this instructor, I have seen some other videos from this school, and I think the sensei seems very talented and skilled.

[pumahottest]

its practiced alot more seriously in other parts of the world. Different dojo's have different methods, and the students that emerge are different as well. Usually, whatever method they take works though >_>

[watts18269]

The one thinkg i dont like about Budo Taijutsu is how relaxed the classes are...I used to go and it was refreshing but i think wearing sunglasses and hats is taking it a bit far. A bit more etiquette wouldnt go amiss.

[darrenburns123]

ninjutsu is not about ettiqutte is there any of that in the real life streets, no, does an attaker bow to u before he stabs u , no

[watts18269]

Well if thats your attitude why have etiquette or manners regarding anything in life? Its a japanese martial art, its Budo. Why bow? Why even be polite to people, theyre only out to shaft you in the long run anyway. Why even learn a martial art when you can just buy a gun then?

[Stogie2520]

I agree, many people don't wear gi, or even bow. A place of training should have that, because your acknowledging that the training is special and appreciating having a dojo and a teacher. As for the "streets" argument, I doubt people will have the compulsion to bow to an attack out of some sort of habit.

[evilcritic]

this video is very unconvincing. the 'students' of the teacher make very bad examples IMO because everything they did was very "floaty" and had little recoil. their stances didn't adjust as we ourselves would reason to in those situations. some techniques are worth watching in this video, the students IMO are major distractions though.

[freedomsmessy1]

he needs to make sure the other hand isn't going to hit him

[Jedyte28351]

I trained 3 years under this guys (PH) in 2000. I use to nickname him "the Magician", because with a few relaxed touches he could get you to bend anyway he wanted :)

Hmm, time to pick budo taijutsu back up again, it has such beauty

[cooldangeneva]

okay.. STOP THE CRAPS !! YOU guys ! YOU aren't understanding what it's all about because YOU do NOT have the eyes nor the basics to understand it. That's what leaded to the mass-crap-fighters that most of you are. This video is excellent, the teacher is nice and there are great subjects to study shown on the different moves.

[yamasakidiego]

RÍDICULO ....

[slapupchrist]

Exactly, guys. This isn't teaching anyone anything other than how to make this crap so-called shihan look as if he can knock people over without having to use any effort. Ridiculous indeed.

[ninjanerd8]

And what's with all these guys just hopping around in the same stance. An attacker doesn't move their feet after the initial attack?

[ninjanerd8]

At 2:20 the Uke is trying to figure out which way he is supposed to fall.

[hapki]

Beautiful, I gained a lot of insight about body positoning.

[slapupchrist]

Absolute rubbish. This would neither work in the dojo or in a real fight. It's a case of one really lazy martial artist and a bunch of very bad actors. Disgusting.

[jobe5514]

Excellent! Plus nécessaire.