Pentagon prevents Obama from visiting troops in Germany

[1saintsnut]

quit lying for this nigger,I was there bitch,I know morw about this shit than the media will ever tell you,Nobama is a disgusting lying terrorist peice of shit period

[skysky72672]

"fucktard" just exactly what is that? you must be a democrat calling names!!!! and no you have it wrong i am in no way prejudice,,,,i don't see where you could even get that, you just can't handle the truth like the rest of the NoBama followers.

[skysky72672]

opps Bills, not laws.....

[skysky72672]

ummmm NO this is a FREE COUNTRY!!!!! AND VOTING PRESENT LIKE NOBAMA DID DOES NOT constitute as passing laws!!!!!

[habizabiusa]

I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people,control America, and the Americans know it.

- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.

So, When American pressure Israel to stop killing millions of palastanian children,women then Obama,Hillary, Macan (member of AIPAC also ) can not do anything,because they are always circled by Jews Goverment personal of US and Jews CEO (example Fox news ) of US media. Double standrad.

[oo000000bebe000000oo]

Wow, dude clearly STFU! Calling you stupid is an insult to stupid people..

[habizabiusa]

Israel controls the United States Senate.

- Sen. William Fulbright

[habizabiusa]

The Day Iran drop out the Nuclear program and there is no WMD in Iran and weak to defend themselves, Israel by the help of US invade Iran as they invade palastain and gave a new name Israel.Very profitable business.Proof Iraq.

[lees20022]

A good leader starts with the ability to build trust with the people whom they wish to be their followers, not a defamation of the very same.

Trust is built from evidence of a person's character, not through the "coolest" music video or vague contradicting positions on Patriotism, the economy, people as a whole, ordomestic or foreign policies.

We need a leader we can trust, not one that has the best song out.

[lees20022]

LOL

The Pentagon;s rules for candidates visiting the injured troops has NOT changed. It was the same when Obama went to Walter Reed and other hospitals. You can NOT bring people from your campaign or the media. Period. All politicians running for office know this.

To play stupid now and say they had no idea when they planned the Germany visit is a slap in the face of American voters.

He opted out of the visit because for some reason he IS campaigning in Europe for the US Presidency.

[a1mint]

Perhaps the Pentagon controls the United States. Perhaps a plane never hit the Pentagon, and was a missile instead, and perhaps the Pentagon lost close to 2 trillion dollars just before 9/11.

[Dogmeat7]

missile hit the Pentagon? ll go have fun explaining to the family of that plane.

[a1mint]

I watched a few other studies, and it's a plane, no mystery here. Those darn conspiracy theorists.

The 2 trillion dollar part appears to be real though. Too bad they're corrupt. And corrupt they are.

Obama '08

[Dogmeat7]

corrupt ever thought of hmm maybe the spent it! hell no obam 08 lol. he's going to weaken this damn country very bad.

[a1mint]

No he isn't. Where do you get that nonsense from. Bush doesn't have the ability to deal with people constructively if he fell over it.

[Dogmeat7]

Nonsense!? he has said in his word words he wants to get rid of Nukes. he says we should cut the F-35 program. he didn't want to visit troops in Germany, cause the media wasn't aloud to go with him. he barly or never does pledge to the flag. he's all talk with no Experince. name 1 bill that he has past since being a senetor. :) he wants to raise taxes. an he want to keep getting oil from other countrys. ya that's a smart guy dumbass.

[a1mint]

No Obama is not going to "get rid" of our nukes just like that. A reduction in nukes globally is a good target to strive for. But you take things out of context. Or rather, you're reading propaganda that makes it seem that Obama is stupid. Obama is not stupid.

Iran and North Korea must not acquire nukes.

It's you who is the shortsighted dumbass, dumbass.

[Dogmeat7]

He said it in his won damn words he wants to get rid of nukes! what are you a dummy?! dude every presidet has got rid of a few hundred nukes lol. your right Iran must not have Nukes an if it keeps goign on guess what wee going to be in Iran. then again I can see Obama coming back with a damn letter from Iran kind of like a guy named Chamberlin in england during ww2. also as I said name 1 bill that Obama has passed? this crap i'm talking about is what he said in his own words.

[a1mint]

You might want to educate yourself about the meaning of being condescending.

I really don't think Obama is going to put up with shit from Iran. But he might be able to gain popularity within Iran and is going to be able to apply diplomatic pressure in better ways. Besides, Israel might launch a little strike on their own. Less pressure on the US that way.

[Dogmeat7]

little it's going to be big it halfs to be a bigs trike if Isreal is going to hit every thing. we have been try the Dipomatic crap now for over 4 years. I'm for the Diplomacy but every day that goes by there getting closer an closer.

[a1mint]

But that's not the whole story. Perhaps the Republicans don't make it very attractive to play nice. Perhaps the Republicans purposely keep things all shaky. They need it to stay in power. They need a reason for fear mongering. They even make up wars, eg. Iraq.

Read up on the "Strauss Theory", there are videos on Youtube about that.

[skysky72672]

why are you just accusing the republican's? democrats are just as corrupt the only difference is republican's generally get caught when they do something half way wrong, and the democrats generally don't get caught!!! obama wont get anything accomplished all he can do is lie, and he lies about little things. Why would we want a person in office that will lie about the little stuff when the truth would do better? that is NOT leadership!! that is a dumb ass as you call them!!!!!

[a1mint]

Obama is not a liar and is quite genuine. He makes for a very strong leader.

His opponents are just barfing up bullshit to cater to hate which attract the gullible prejudice simpleminded fools so easily.

It's a very state of affairs. Very very sad indeed. Palin, pfff, my god what the hell is wrong with people?

[skysky72672]

ummmmmm no i can hear for myself, i don't have to listen to the news media or what you call his opponents. He lies just about every time he opens his mouth! his uncle,,,oops he don't have an uncle, or saying there is 58 states in the union....hummmm last time i counted we only had 50...yeah that sounds like a strong leader to me! him taxing the people that make 250k or more a year, to stay in business we are the ones that will be paying for that increase. they will just pass it down to us.

[a1mint]

You're talking bullshit and you're making things up. He graduated from Harvard with Cum Laude. And you're going to accuse him of stupid things like that. Come on, you're being ridiculous.

Yes he's a strong leader - he *understands* issues and really does make a real good effort to find solutions. You should be thankful for someone like that willing to work for you!

Taxes will be LOWER, not higher.

I think you're being prejudice and you're not willing to look beyond that.

[skysky72672]

prejudice to what?????

[oo000000bebe000000oo]

Prejudice of race or skin color.. there you have your answer. Happy now? Now get the fuck out of the computer and stop posting bullshit. Fucktard!!

[skysky72672]

i am NOT making bull crap up!!! yeah yeah i know he went to Harvard and his mom was on food stamps too. wow i guess i didn't know they could help that much!!!! maybe i should go sign up on welfare so my kids will be able to go to an ivy league college too. look it up if you don't believe me that he said there was 58 states.....you tube it.....you say i am prejudice what am i supposed to be prejudice about?

[a1mint]

Being condescending only makes your argument only less worthy.

The problem is that I think Obama is a person that respect people. He represents hope for everyone's good. When you arbitrarily try to toss all that aside you are going against what people hope for. That's why you are seeing people get angry when you engage them.

ps. fyi McCain thought Putin was the German leader: watch?v=E5ENwej0fpc

this was 1 1/2 years ago.

watch?v=6yzqGI3anf8

And here: watch?v=FWihxPJT8-8

Good grief he is nuts!

[skysky72672]

NOW i see you are from Canada!!! no wonder you like NObama, he is a socialist too. and call me condescending if you wish, but i listen to more then just cnn, msnbc, bbc, the NY times,Michael Moore, and the rest of them nuts! go have some kool-aid with the rest of the NObama people!! tell me this: what has Nobama done as a senator other then run for president and still draw his 100k+ a year salary we the tax payers are paying?

[a1mint]

I believe Obama has passed 570+ bills.

And what's wrong with some amount of socialism? Don't treat it like it's some sort of disease. Right now insurance companies are taking a huge cut from your health care premiums. Some people are very expensive to insure. Capitalism is hugely important, but for things you can not opt out of, a social backbone makes people live much happier.

[Dogmeat7]

play nice? buddy you don't play at all when missiles are flying over your country. like Japan.

[skysky72672]

you might start doing some research before you start calling people dumbass, North Korea already has nukes!!!

[a1mint]

I'm only calling people dumbasses if they start using condescension. I don't call people dumbasses for no reason. When you try to have a real conversation with me, I'll treat you and your points with respect. I've sorted through many subjects with people very successfully. Often there is a some agreement and some disagreement.

North Korea having nukes is questionable. They - might - maybe have been able to set off some chain reaction, but nothing at a quality level where they... continued...

[a1mint]

...continued... could mount it on a missile. Them trying is very disturbing of course. And launching missiles and flying them actually over Japan is totally unacceptable.

If started to cooperate, but the dialog with the US is very iffy. We all know that the Neocons in power now don't play nicely. They have little credibility. They lie often. They make things up.

Obama would be much more effective - people would respect him everywhere. People should welcome his efforts.

[ChicoCDM]

YEAH - this is ONE of over 10 explanations now. THe pentagon ALREADY called this a lie - not in such blunt terms. THere's another version where Obaam CALLS the troops instead - sure - I'll believe that when I hear the troops he SPOKE to say he did.

[plum26754]

Sorry Senator, your charm has no effect on me. You met our soldiers in the Middle East, were shown pictures of our fallen, and then what did you do? You totally dismissed our wounded in Germany!

You sir, are what we call a disgrace here on Main Street, USA. I am not your Fellow Citizen of the World, I am a proud American with family in harms way. Please stop talking for my country, you only represent the people of Illinois thus far. Until you earn what to have all ready taken, Shut up!

[Arffyou]

It's obvious that the pentagon, McCain, and the Republicans wanted to prevent Obama from making that visit.

[duque501]

He should've better visited the troops instead giving that speech to socialist Europeans. Oh sorry, I forgot he looks more presidential giving those speeches than when he is without cameras during a PLANNED visit to the injured troops.

Obama shows he has no substance or patriotism, and to blame the pentagon, please, I am not that stupid to bite that bait.

[plum26754]

Obama thought it inappropriate to visit troops at Landstuhl since the campaign was funding his Euro tour. (The German Gov. footed $750,000 organizing his speech).

The campaign issued a statement from Major Gen. Scott Gration (Ret.), a foreign policy adviser to Obama, saying that the Pentagon told him the visit would be viewed as "a campaign event."

But the Pentagon said that wasn't true,Obama was more than welcome to come, it was just that he couldn't bring the media or campaign staff.

[stpaulbear]

duque, how many times in a day can you be completely wrong? Just because you say it over and over and over again doesn't mean you're getting any of it right. Get used to the fact that Obama's obviously got his sh!t together and McCain obviously can't remember the sh!t he did yesterday.

[HudsonRand]

Obviously Obama hasn't taken enough of Reptile cock up his ass to please the Pentagon.

[robertnyjan]

Idiots like Daisytoo and Rightwingers are embarrassing themselves with this "scandal". Andrea Mitchell (far from being a leftie!) clears it up conclusively. End of story. BTW, the same thing happened to McNasty during one of his trip overseas and guess what? He also didn't go visit the troops. So, keep it going angry rightwingers - it's only making you look pathetic and desperate (which of course you are).

[Daisytoo]

Nin, you misunderstand. Obama was not permitted (this time) to use injured soldiers for photo ops. He and his staff resent the fact that their entirely selfish mission was foiled. No one other than Obama and company is responsible for this display of contempt for our troops.

What empowers you to attribute the motivation "not to embarrass the DOD" to Obama? Clearly, he didn't want to embarrass himself when his motivations for a visit became apparent.

The Messiah seethes.

[duque501]

MSNBC didnt ask directly to the pentagon what happened, and thats whay this journalist end up looking as if she is part of the Obama campaign.

The pentagon said they were waiting for him.

He didnt visit the troops cause it wasnt allow to bring cameras,

Obama = Antiamerican

[Quisjunk]

Wait? Did you call the Pentagon yourself and and found out they were waiting for him. OH you didn't... What part of Andrea saying Obama was leaving his press corp and his entourage behind sounds like him trying to get a photo op.

[duque501]

Havnt you heard the news, every tv show have said that, except MSNBC of course.

[milowent]

thanks god these troops were denied the chance to meet obama. its heartwarming that government idiocy permeates all levels of government.

[getplaning]

The U.S. Embassy in Berlin instructed Foreign Service personnel stationed there not to attend Sen. Barack Obama's public rally, which the State Department labeled a "partisan political activity" prohibited under its regulations for those serving overseas. But government employees serving the United States ARE permitted to attend such events under the Hatch Act. If it's going to these lengths, the Bush administration must be really worried about Sen. John McCain's prospects.

[fazoolius]

See my previous comment. Yes, they barred him from making a campaign visit with all of his personnel and reporters. They did not stop him from making the same kind of visit that he did in Iraq and Afganistan.

[cryan71]

That's not true and you know it.

[milowent]

fazoolius: he was planning to leave the press behind, as he did in iraq. this is just another government clusterfuck. it does nothing to help mccain to deny the visit. it does nothing to help the military. it just makes americans look like buffoons as usual.

[fazoolius]

Might want to have another look at the statement that was issued by the Pentagon. Obama was barred from visiting with his whole campaign staff and reporters.

The truth is that nothing stopped Obama from visiting the troops in the same capacity as he had in Iraq and Afganistan. So why didn't he? What stopped him?

[Daisytoo]

"So why didn't he? What stopped him?" He had to eat some arugula to wipe out the taste of all that German sausage? Good grief, the man has more important things to do than visit injured soldiers. Just let the guy eat his waffles and arugula, sip his white wine, smoke his cigarettes and practice saying 'thank you' in French without all the annoying interruptions.

[tomsoppe]

Republican culture warriors are so shallow and full of red herrings. Because they can never win on the issues.

[tomsoppe]

I speak of the shallow Daisytoo in this case.

[fazoolius]

Correct. So why wouldn't he do it now? That is the question. Why did he need to have his whole campaign staff and reporters tag along?

[Daisytoo]

Waaa, the Pentagon wouldn't let me do the right thing. What a lie.

[cooolandy]

That is really shocking. A disgrace by th epentagon toatl disgrace.

[unchainedmelody67]

Up until now, I've thought the disinformation etc. from the McCain side was just the Watergate-plumbers' style of politics we've been used to since Nixon. But now I'm wondering if it isn't just good old-fashioned racism.

[fazoolius]

Nice reporting their Andrea. So nice of you to put a positive spin on Obama's decision not to visit the troops because he couldn't get a photo op for his campaign. A true leader would have gone to visit the troops that he hopes to command as the President.

MSNBC is over the top biased for Obama and 100% in the tank for him.

[cryan71]

Did you even listen to the news report?

[fazoolius]

Yes I did listen to news report and then I actually thought about it and came to my conclusion.

I am glad that all you have to counter with is "Did you even listen to the report?"

Ask yourself this. Why wouldn't Obama just go, even if by himself, to visit the troops? is that what a true leader would do even if it meant not getting a photo op?

[cryan71]

"The Pentagon" blocks Obama from visiting troops. I hope that clears it up for you.

[wilywondr]

Did you even watch the video? If you did you need to work on your comprehension skills.

[fazoolius]

You need to work on your "thinking" skills. Why wouldn't a presidential candidate who wants to be the commander in chief go and visit the troops even if he is not getting any press coverage by the major new networks? Why is that?

Go ahead and blame it on the Pentagon if it helps you sleep at night. Obama would do so much better if he went and saw the troops despite the conditions laid out by the Pentagon. Don't ya think?

[duque501]

well said fazoolius, these guys are blind or what, to blame the pentagon? thats ridiculous.

[Kenwood1947]

Obama had visited wounded troops in Iraq without a photo-op, as he has before at Walter Reed.

[duque501]

Yes, but this time he decided to go jogging instead of a PLANNED visit to the injured troops, thats antiamerican.

[Kenwood1947]

And if Obama had visited the troops you would have called it Anti-American for visiting the troops during a campaign trip. You spend too much time being brainwashed by flag-waving, draft-dodging, republican media cowards such as Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, and the like.

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

Samuel Johnson

[duque501]

When he said "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" he talk about deceive patriotism like the one that use presidents of Iran or Venezuela who blame USA for all the problems they have in their countries, and at the same time divide the country between poor and rich people to gain elections. USA is fighting against those "patriotism" threats. If he isa presidential candidate who decide to avoid a PLANNED visit to the injured troops and instead go jogging, thats definitely antiamerican.

[Kenwood1947]

Why don't you compare voting records on veteran's issues? Senators rarely get photo-ops and publicity for their votes on these bills, but they do tell how these people fell about our troops and veterans. Looks like your hero McCain is the one that's Anti-American with his atrocious score of 25 from the DAV. Why does McCain hate veterans?

As a veteran, I can tell by his voting record that Obama cares more about my VA benefits

than the republicans who consistently score 0to 40.

[Arffyou]

A good leader/citizen/politician exemplifies their love of country through good deeds, not through patriotism alone. Using patriotism as a tool is contradictory to what true patriotism is all about. Hence the famous quote.

[Kenwood1947]

Based on ratings from the DAV, Obama has a much better record on veteran's issues. He had scores of 92 and 80 from the DAV, while McCain only scored a 25. In fact, most of the republicans had atrocious scores of 0 to 40 on veteran's issues while democrats consistently scored in the 60 to 100 range.