Judging by the the LOST ending which was equally crappy, I would say this is exactly how Damon and Carlton used to figure out how to write their episodes...!! >:(
Oh well... at least it still is a better love story than twilight xD
Least I had a top comment, trolololo! People have way too much time if they're criticizing others comments, how does it disturb you again? And it wasn't
me that wrote that comment. Someone else used me account, just now saw this. No harm done, have nice day. 8)
Okay, I am looking for this video of lost, its where some guy watches like all of the first 5 seasons of lost in a weekend. Anyone know where this thing's at?
@hugheymakeover That's impossible. Each of the first three seasons are 24 hours a piece just within themselves. I did the math like a year ago. It takes right before 8 days to watch all of Lost. That's without pauses, bathroom breaks, sex, masterbation, or anything else.
@LooneyDude6 I believe it was the show "Newhart", starring Bob Newhart. It's a very popular finale because it ends with Bob Newhart awakening, and the entire series was all a dream. That was a long-held theory about LOST :)
If the show was about the characters and not the island, then why did they spend so much time showing things about the island? One of the first shots of Season 6 is the island underwater. Who cares, if it's about the characters? Because it's not just about the characters. It's about the island too. "This island is special."
now that i have made it clear how i feel about this guy and what he did. i honestly would love to hear anyone try to defend him and what he did. seriously please try to defend him i would love to hear a defense on his part.
i honestly think this guy is a douche bag for showing us this dumb ass shit and promsing us alternate endings i honestly think he should make a public appolgy for his obvious false advertising just for ratings.
@hypermonkey13 in a rushed vauge way that makes little sense and still rasies quite a few questions. but i am more upset with what this show jimmy kimbel live did. he lured people into watching his show by streaching the truth by impling even druing the show he was going to show us real alternite endings but he shows us stupid skits and takes advantage of that. he took advatange of the lost auduice for ratings which i think is dissucusting.
@Splub no they are not they are just stupid skits made by the show. jimmy kennel. you know what i mean. i mean real alternate endings that are made officaly by the writers like when they had desmond and saywer in the coffen at the end of season 4 thoes are real alternate endings. this is just grabage to make fun of the show.
@thewewguy8t88 We don't get whatever show this is over here in the UK, or not that i'm aware of, if infact it did get hyped up on maybe adverts saying that they're going to show alternate endings I could see why that would annoy you being a Lost fan, but I don't think it's something to get angry about. Lost didn't need any alternate endings, the way that it ended cleared everything up while still leaving some mystery like it's supposed too.
@hypermonkey13 it did. there were adverts saying after the show they will show alternate endings to lost and it did annoy me and yes i think it is something to get angry about cuz this guy lured me and others i am sure to watching his show with almost false advertising and i dont think thats right what he did. i am not upset with the way lost ended i am upset with what this show did.
@Lfeodorovna its funny but that still does not change the fact that what he and his show did was a douche move on this part he manupulated the audeince of lost into watching his show. and i quite frankly think its insulting what he did. rarely if ever have i ever felt insulted by something on tv. because what do u expect. what this guy did was give us his own little finger after knowing we just got the finger from lost.
@Damon242 The Lost grand finale was one of the worst things I have ever seen. It's right up there with Spider-Man 3, defining the new category of awfulness I never thought possible before.
@Damon242 Pretty self explanatory. In the sideways, they're all dead, and Jack didn't know it. He finds out, has to come to terms with it, then leave to heaven. Same as the Sixth Sense ending, and much like these Kimmel endings, it has nothing to do with the rest of the show.
@Pwells1 'It' would refer to the programme, and not just a segment of it. So it wasn't self-explanatory.
It was nothing like 'the sixth sense' ending (completely different context), and it wasn't only Jack who was involved. All of it had to do with the characters, and in terms of the 'hero's journey' (the template-narrative that LOST used) it had everything to do with it.
I understand you weren't too pleased with the reveal, but the entire episode didn't consist of just the flash sideways.
@Pwells1 The 'hero's journey' ends with ascension, what they performed with the flash sideways, in terms of the characters, is acceptable as being ascension. Therefore it had everything to do with the 'hero's journey'.
It was not entirely self explanatory. You simply used 'it' as your subject, and the flash sideways conclusion is only partial to the final episode.
@Pwells1 No. It's about the characters, and how they change and develop in response to their trials (their trials both consisting of their personal life and the issues of the island). That is how storytelling works, it is always about its character(s). They were the point. Not the island (the island, only a partial trial, could have been anything else and wouldn't make a difference). Also, it's the basic template of the 'hero's journey'--it's about the hero, not the journey.
@Pwells1 I have a feeling that you may have been expecting some giant reveal in the conclusion that would tie up everything in the plot (even if it were something terrible, i.e the island is an alien spaceship, they all died in the flight, it was all a dream, etc).
Your argument is on the basis that the show is about the island, and not about the characters.
Look up anything to do with scripting, character development, or even quote the writers and producers themselves. You are wrong.
@Pwells1 for some reason all your comments are removed.
Just correcting you on the last comment you sent me in regards to lord of the rings, a league of their own, and so forth. a) completely different genres, particularly in terms of script (film vs tv). b) the trials are the same regardless. as aforementioned, it's about character, and therefore if a league of their own involved the same characters abandoned in the outback after a bus breakdown in Australia, they could develop the same way.
I said script genre, it works in context. but obviously that's too far over your head.
character development requires them to meet an end, whether it is something as simple as a troubled relationship being repaired or something more complex like, for instance, man of science become man of faith (using a lost example), the setting is irrelevant.
we're not jumping from a baseball field btw, there is no baseball, i said characters (personal identity).
@Pwells1 genre comes from the same french word which means type, and it always depends on its context. if you don't believe me, look it up.
and your original argument was that the character's resolution in the lost finale were completely irrelevant. are you now trying to change your argument?
the focus is the development, and the issue that must be resolved, the setting is secondary, and can be changed with minimal or even no hindrance on the character and issue.
@Pwells1 writing, not entertainment. They're completely different formats (hence why scriptwriting comes under the english courses at tertiary level education rather than media studies-------it's the form of writing not entertainment).
"Unless I'm mistaken...", "...You don't know what you are talking about".
Doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about. Why not go have a search on it.
@Pwells1 there is no such thing as 'entertainment writing'. It is always writing, and anything only becomes involved in the entertainment industry when it is adapted, otherwise, on its own, it is written material.
As I have so often suggested, look it up. Or are you afraid to be proven wrong? Just ask, I'll send you the evidence.
@Pwells1 it actually deals primarily with internal conflict, not external. And I am a writer.
The flash-sideways in the finale were not irrelevant. I would agree with you that as a whole, they were unnecessary, really only serving a purpose in the final episode. Until the reveal of their nature, they operate under the allusion that their directly linked to the present occurrences on the island.
But they did serve character, you were wrong to say they didn't. It provides alternative aspect.
By setting, I mean the environment in which the characters exist (i.e the star wars universe). In terms of character, the setting serves no other purpose than to carry the issue of the character (similar to a supporting character, it exists to guide them). The setting can be changed to anything, what it is specifically isn't the issue, but rather how it serves the character.
So if Luke and Vader were all characters in a completely other universe.......(cont.)
@Pwells1from the beginning (therefore not changing the primary setting halfway through an already established story), then there would be no impact on the character, because at the end of the day, the story is about the protagonist (or in Lost's cast, group of protagonists) resolving their problems, and developing. How, is what they show you. But the means can always change, so long as the end is achieved. That is what I meant by the setting not playing an absolutely vital part to the character.
@Pwells1 Unless you tie the existence of the flashsideways in to the faith argument LOST discusses, primarily about fate, and whether or not their is a purpose to life (and much like religious concepts, life's purpose serves an existence after life, i.e the flashsideways).
It's more or less only relevant to their core concepts.
@Pwells1 It alluded to it, but it was something of a red herring.
Unfortunately, regarding what you just said, that treats the island as a character (it's acceptable to do so if one uses it in a supporting role), the only issue is that it treats the island as a protagonist; where it's issues/conflicts are the primary focus of the script.
the island is simply a device, used to serve the progression of the protagonists through their conflicts. It mustn't be treated as anything more.
@Pwells1 it serves concept, character, and resolution. Giving finality to the series. It is, however, only relevant to the sixth season and to the end itself.
As aforementioned, the reveal of what it is does hurt its existence in the season, however, it works for the final episode, because it ends the story.
You once mentioned Lord of the Rings. The flashsideways are the ships traveling to the grey havens. Or, Titantic (the closest to LOST's ending), and Rose returning to Titanic in her death.
@Pwells1 The character development involves the choices characters would have made had things been different, and how their choices in the flash sideways parallel with their island lives. The best episodic-example of this is Dr Linus. Other than that, there are also small moments (though only a few), where their remorse and desire for forgiveness is further touched upon (the absolute best example being Ben and Locke outside of the church in the finale).
@Pwells1 Other than what I previously mentioned, the flash-sideways were for nostalgia. You are correct. More precisely, they're fan service (the return of favourite characters, favourite series' moments, 'what if's', etc). Concept wise, the flash sideways work.
It's a mixed bag, but I personally can't say that it didn't deserve to be there.
@Pwells1 Again, if the setting was change they wouldn't even be in the star wars universe!
It's the fundamental setting, the world they are in. Like putting the star wars characters, their fundamental selves (internal), inside of the lord of the rings universe. They will end the same.
you cannot change it part way through.
p.s it is possible to do what you said, it's called a spin-off. Nobody likes them.
btw in an earlier comment you said that luke killed darth vader, he didn't. Vader did.
@Pwells1character development deals with internal conflicts, not external.
anything external relates to concept, which is a subjugate to character.
I have the character of sayid, a man who had done terrible things (a seemingly irredeemable man), and I turn him good by the end of the story (by any means), and attached the concept of redemption; and that it is possible for every man, or something along the lines of good and evil, etc etc
Those are the fundamental things. All else can change
@Pwells1 You operate on the belief that when you mention one idea, for instance 'external conflict', you expect everyone to automatically realize that you are not speaking of 'external conflict' exclusively, but the combination of internal conflict, text, subtext; all of them treated as the subject.
@Pwells1 you must forget religion when discussing faith, the two are mutually exclusive of each other (unfortunately most people seem to put the two together, which complicates things).
the island never served as a metaphor for faith (and religion, as you put it). It never was a metaphor, because what was it directly linking the island two? What was the metaphor of faith?
@Pwells1whether the ending is good bad is personal opinion, it's not weak material (it has plenty of concept to analyze, which makes it smart material)
Yes, the island can be treated as a character (it's a stronger character than the other two you mentioned, but they can be treated also).However, it is in a supporting role. So unlike what you mentioned, it's there to simply push the protagonists, not to develop on its own. In writing, you can allow the support to develop, but it's not necessary
@Pwells1 I apologize for some of the grammar mistakes. I should have proof-read before posting, I was simply in a rush (it's almost one o'clock in the morning over here).
@Pwells1 that's the point. you do not make things too different, otherwise you risk changing the fundamental elements of the character, therefore a creating an entirely new one.
The flashbacks and island didn't deal with "what would I have done had things be different", they dealt with change ("If I had a second chance...").
It all ties in from the second episode 'Tabula Rasa' which means clean slate, and compares their pre-island lives with their island lives.
@Pwells1 They have to keep what if fundamental to the character, and the greatest influences on their lives (i.e locke's paralysis, kate's need to run, the death of sawyer's parents, jacks' bad relationship with his father, etc) otherwise they are too drastically changed. You quoted me, made a claim, but didn't really explain what you meant.
second chances at choosing btw; whether or not they would make that choice again, knowing of the consequences (allegorically in this case).....
@Pwells1 Remember that the audience was not meant to be aware of what the flash sideways really were at this point, so there was material thrown in to maintain the allusion that it was something possibly generated by the hydrogen bomb. Which of course, the audience was tricked by from the very beginning (purposefully, it was made so that they mistook initial recap for being a part of the episode).
@Pwells1 As aforementioned, fate is one of the core concepts of the show. Is it destiny that these characters end up in certain circumstance (the seeimingly identical life situations of the characters in the flashsideways, always slightly altered; kate is innocent, sawyer is a cop, jack has a son, locke was on good terms with his father, etc)? Is there free-will (this is presented in the 'choice' format)?
@Pwells1 Using 'Dr Linus' (since it is the strongest independent flash sideways episode), we have the character of Ben (the difference in his life being that he left the island, he had been there previously and experienced the Dharma Initiative. And he appeared to be on far better terms with his father, which was the critical influence on Ben's actions).
So, we have the same series of circumstances as on the island, only this time in a school (man in charge, community, etc).....(cont)
@Pwells1 So confident are you in your side of the argument that you add insult to your discussion for extra support. Because using profanity in a live debate has always worked so well for others in the past.
Just like you neglect to follow through on my suggestion you research on the meaning and use of the word 'genre', you do the same with researching character development.
In this latest comment, you have completely left out the aforementioned exploration of concepts.
@Pwells1 "So, we have the same series of circumstances as on the island, only this time in a school"
and what was I discussing again?
If I recall correctly (or with a read of the text on this page) I was discussing how they were exploring the "what if things were different" idea and slightly tweaking their character, based on the fundamental causes of their primary issues, presenting them with similar ordeals, and seeing how they would deal with them different. Is the choice they make fated?
@Pwells1 Ben is the same person at heart, he isn't too different from his island-self, so the audience will still understand him.
Now the principal of the school is widmore, and Ben's dilhema involving the school and alex is the choice between her life and the island in the main thread. With a slight tweak of the character, we see him make positioned to make a familiar choice.
Unlike Sayid, he chooses to deal the situation differently (if this were the island, he would now surrender himself).
@Damon242 the other situation involving the principal harks back to season 5 flashback moments where Ben confronts Widmore (both on the choice to kill rousseau and alex, and when widmore is banished).
All the important moments of the characters' life on the island are returned to the episode's flash sideways setting, and re-explored.
@Pwells1 "And in the sideways, he's been away from her even longer than in the real world". What are you talking about exactly? When was he away from Penny in the flash sideways universe for more than three years?
@Pwells1 So I take it you are wondering why he favoured the sideways world?
It's debatable, although the company on the IGN boards just rested with the idea that it was a world with Penny in which he didn't have to break her heart.
@Pwells1 ......how is it that you don't understand what I am talking about when I mention 'setting'? The characters are not leia, luke, vader, etc, they are what the characters are fundamentally, i.e at their most basic form as human beings. The setting, or trials, can be anything so long as they work at getting the character from issue to resolution. Again, the means are irrelevant, so long as the end is met.
@Pwells1 film and tv must not be treated as the same. They are different, and must be resolved carefully and in very different ways.
From now on, use television examples rather than film.
They do have to do with the storyline, not the island, but the lives of the characters. Their lives, their afterlife. The only thing that has you fuming is that the latter occurred simultaneously, in terms of the episodes, with the island storyline.
The story is about the characters, then about the island.
@Pwells1 they didn't fail, and i'm not blind to their mistakes. I'd be far more critical of other seasons that 2. And I am certainly not one of those who think that they had everything planned from the beginning, if that's what you're suggesting, Impossible. They planned seasons out, sure, that's evident, but not the series.
The flash sideways were certainly not "last minute", an entire year in advance to broadcast and you think that their nature was made up just going into the finale?
LOL the first ending was awesome(the others were pointless). I would've made a big extension and all, but it was still awesome.
DarthRushy 10 hours ago
SOOO FUNNY. i love this show im currently rewatching it
Jeraldwinstonheybayb 1 week ago
i think i seen the ending of lost. lol
ZAO4LIFE 1 week ago
Judging by the the LOST ending which was equally crappy, I would say this is exactly how Damon and Carlton used to figure out how to write their episodes...!! >:(
Oh well... at least it still is a better love story than twilight xD
JohnyK07 1 week ago
Lol at Matthew Fox 0.22 looking for what the public are laughing at xD
Manutdjake07 2 weeks ago
Least I had a top comment, trolololo! People have way too much time if they're criticizing others comments, how does it disturb you again? And it wasn't
me that wrote that comment. Someone else used me account, just now saw this. No harm done, have nice day. 8)
nicholasmodonnell 3 weeks ago
@Hydraxolis - you clearly haven't watched lost. Come back with a valid argument when you've watched more than the first season.
Naomii1234567 1 month ago
How the fuck does Hurley stay fat on a deserted island with little food?!?
Hydraxolis 1 month ago
@Hydraxolis severe hypothyroidism???
AmiHeartify 1 week ago
those all made more sense than the actual finale
MERCFourOhEight 1 month ago 5
Il n'est de pire aveugle que celui qui ne veut pas voir
Lain11100 1 month ago
@Nicholasmodonnell You fucked up, play the game before you try again.
MisterLambs 1 month ago
I used to be lost with lost, before I took an arrow in my knee.
nicholasmodonnell 2 months ago
@nicholasmodonnell Fail top comment
FlipTheBird978 1 month ago 3
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mikeyriederer 3 weeks ago
lol richard alperts wearing 3 diff outfits and at 2 places at once
googlestb 2 months ago
Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse should have their own sitcom. Their timing and delivery is fucking hilarious.
GreatScottPilgrimage 3 months ago
Oh God, how I miss Lost. Love this : D
Sharei32 3 months ago
Okay, I am looking for this video of lost, its where some guy watches like all of the first 5 seasons of lost in a weekend. Anyone know where this thing's at?
hugheymakeover 3 months ago
@hugheymakeover That's impossible. Each of the first three seasons are 24 hours a piece just within themselves. I did the math like a year ago. It takes right before 8 days to watch all of Lost. That's without pauses, bathroom breaks, sex, masterbation, or anything else.
CFirebird101 3 months ago
huerly "hey guys i think i figger out the secert of the islend".... hahahahahaha
sigangalin 3 months ago 2
Haha! Richard is everywhere and acting really wierd. Love this!
citruuus 3 months ago 3
Of course it would be the Asian having trouble handling a car.
Andrewknx 3 months ago 24
@Andrewknx Lmao this comment is epic :D
Timeofchords 3 weeks ago
Ya confusing me with ya self mormon sissy
egdqv13234 3 months ago
Evangeline and Emilie are gorgeus <3
durpydurp32 4 months ago
yes carlton YES *YES*! ..... i always thought there was something going on between them! lol jk
MyEquestrianLove 4 months ago
someone explain to me the third scene with evangeline
itspennysboat 4 months ago
0:14 the little JACOB!!! did yall notice ! O___O
egdqv13234 4 months ago 2
I just finished watching The Sopranos... thank god I only got to watch this now... :P
NeoXF 4 months ago
Classic: It's Bob fucking Newhart!
flamingmonkays 4 months ago in playlist flamingmonkays's favorites
What they should have done is make an alternate ending to see what would have happened had jack NOT put the cork back in.
Zenythmon 5 months ago
They should do Lost: the Variety Show.
ginnoveffect 6 months ago
Best. Freakin'. Video. EVVVVVEERRRRRRRRR!
needsmorecowbell1000 6 months ago
i cryed at the end of this series...its soooo good!
iloveshanetv 6 months ago
What's the song that Hurley puts on in the resteraunt?
qwaz13 6 months ago
@qwaz13 The song is Come Sail Away by the Styx
bennyfuentes 6 months ago
kenton duty! :)
thebluebandana11 6 months ago
anyone else find it funny how the asian dude cant drive/park lol
runeman1996 6 months ago
what show was the last ending a parody of?
LooneyDude6 7 months ago in playlist JKL Aloha to LOST Special
@LooneyDude6 I believe it was the show "Newhart", starring Bob Newhart. It's a very popular finale because it ends with Bob Newhart awakening, and the entire series was all a dream. That was a long-held theory about LOST :)
Desmond8043 7 months ago
"Well, it looks like it's just the two of us, Freckles..."
I love Darlton.
Desmond8043 7 months ago
This was great!!! I miss this show !!!
35712223 7 months ago
I would have the opposite reaction if I woke up next to Evangeline Lilly
alphadingo7 8 months ago
wow i am dumb i just realized she is from rember me
bgirl098 8 months ago
JIMMY PLEASE PUT YOUR LOST VIDEOS BACK TO PUBLIC!
iAmWr3ckless 8 months ago
I don't understand why Jimmy put all the Lost videos in private!!?!?
iAmWr3ckless 8 months ago 3
the guy at 0:58 looked like Don Adams
inception951 8 months ago
Even with the show finished an I the only one who wishes Darlton would keep doing a podcast together?
bwp108 9 months ago 2
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@bwp108 No, you are not. I really miss it too. :( They were hilarious!
DellaCruz92 8 months ago
I really want onion rings now.
wintermaki 10 months ago 27
Lmfao "Where have you been?"
mitchburns82 10 months ago 4
Haha I love how Jin can't park his dharma car ^^
Serpette94 11 months ago
If the show was about the characters and not the island, then why did they spend so much time showing things about the island? One of the first shots of Season 6 is the island underwater. Who cares, if it's about the characters? Because it's not just about the characters. It's about the island too. "This island is special."
teeterharris 11 months ago
now that i have made it clear how i feel about this guy and what he did. i honestly would love to hear anyone try to defend him and what he did. seriously please try to defend him i would love to hear a defense on his part.
thewewguy8t88 11 months ago
jimmy kimmel- you sir are a douche bag! thats right a total douche bag!
thewewguy8t88 11 months ago
i honestly think this guy is a douche bag for showing us this dumb ass shit and promsing us alternate endings i honestly think he should make a public appolgy for his obvious false advertising just for ratings.
thewewguy8t88 11 months ago
@thewewguy8t88 I think you need to re-watch all the episodes, everything that needed to be explain has been explain.
hypermonkey13 10 months ago
@hypermonkey13 in a rushed vauge way that makes little sense and still rasies quite a few questions. but i am more upset with what this show jimmy kimbel live did. he lured people into watching his show by streaching the truth by impling even druing the show he was going to show us real alternite endings but he shows us stupid skits and takes advantage of that. he took advatange of the lost auduice for ratings which i think is dissucusting.
thewewguy8t88 10 months ago
@thewewguy8t88 But these are real alternate endings!
Splub 10 months ago
@Splub no they are not they are just stupid skits made by the show. jimmy kennel. you know what i mean. i mean real alternate endings that are made officaly by the writers like when they had desmond and saywer in the coffen at the end of season 4 thoes are real alternate endings. this is just grabage to make fun of the show.
thewewguy8t88 10 months ago
@thewewguy8t88 We don't get whatever show this is over here in the UK, or not that i'm aware of, if infact it did get hyped up on maybe adverts saying that they're going to show alternate endings I could see why that would annoy you being a Lost fan, but I don't think it's something to get angry about. Lost didn't need any alternate endings, the way that it ended cleared everything up while still leaving some mystery like it's supposed too.
hypermonkey13 10 months ago
@hypermonkey13 it did. there were adverts saying after the show they will show alternate endings to lost and it did annoy me and yes i think it is something to get angry about cuz this guy lured me and others i am sure to watching his show with almost false advertising and i dont think thats right what he did. i am not upset with the way lost ended i am upset with what this show did.
thewewguy8t88 10 months ago
am i honestly the only one who feels insulted by this guy promising us alternate endings to lost and this showing us this dumb stupid shit
thewewguy8t88 11 months ago
thumbs up if you think this guy is a fucken douche bag for for what he did.
thewewguy8t88 11 months ago
yes, I'll always watch whatever naveen andrews is in because sayid is the greatest!
Lfeodorovna 11 months ago
the first one's the best cause of naveen andrews
"you've gotta be kidding me"
"where have you been?"
"I did not spend five years in the republican guard..."
Lfeodorovna 1 year ago 3
@Lfeodorovna is naveen andrews syaid? I could look it up right now, but i dont want to.
hamham934 11 months ago
@Lfeodorovna its funny but that still does not change the fact that what he and his show did was a douche move on this part he manupulated the audeince of lost into watching his show. and i quite frankly think its insulting what he did. rarely if ever have i ever felt insulted by something on tv. because what do u expect. what this guy did was give us his own little finger after knowing we just got the finger from lost.
thewewguy8t88 11 months ago
Matthew Fox is clueless as to what people are laughing at when Jacob pops up in the background. Ha ha.
HeyKim0012 1 year ago 2
2:25 music :P
teddy4dvids 1 year ago
Why do Many richards! With The usa hat, With The chinese girl, coming after jack!
zubieta 1 year ago
sorry but I didnt understanded the "richards scenes"
serenito88 1 year ago
pretty sure Richard Alpert shot Tony Soprano
frasermack18 1 year ago 2
lol Kenton Duty pokin out behind Jimmy LOL
1992sk8ergirl 1 year ago
Matthew Fox double dipped!
TheJamiam 1 year ago 2
THIS MADE MORE SENSE THEN THE ACTUAL SERIES!
MrCepelinas 1 year ago
@MrCepelinas out of context i am sure its enjoyable but as i watching this i was honstly too pissed off to give a shit.
thewewguy8t88 11 months ago
LMFAO @ young Jacob!!!!!!
thnk4urself 1 year ago 3
Of course, of all the characters to be bad drivers, it had to be Jin the Asian!!! LOL
xsurfnturfx 1 year ago 3
lol young Jacob freaked me out. XD
bladeleaper 1 year ago 14
I like her pajamas
Marsolga 1 year ago 4
umm they didnt even order the food with the waitress. Continuity error!
sharpshooter891 1 year ago
Love Evangeline Lilly ;)
msstinek 1 year ago 72
@msstinek Who wouldn't? :) She's so amazing and sexy like hell!!
Bartsudz99 6 months ago 2
wow, never thought i'd see darlton sharing a bed
MrProdigalKnight 1 year ago 2
did Foxy just double dip? thats nasty
rooeeez 1 year ago
pathetic
and i thought the orignal series was
efsq 1 year ago
I totally love the Sopranos Ending Parody.
TheLyosacks 1 year ago 4
They kinda remind me of beavis and butthead haha
DayTripper864 1 year ago
"YES CARLTON!!! YES YES!!!"
Thepocalypse 1 year ago 2
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 can you please use television examples. Tv and film are treated entirely different.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
And in the end, they settled on ripping off The Sixth Sense.
Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 Are you talking about the LOST grand finale? You got it wrong.
Damon242 1 year ago
@Damon242 The Lost grand finale was one of the worst things I have ever seen. It's right up there with Spider-Man 3, defining the new category of awfulness I never thought possible before.
Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 In your opinion.
But what did you mean by "they settled on ripping off The Sixth Sense".
Oh, and on a side note the Sixth Sense ending was not an original ending, either.
Damon242 1 year ago
@Damon242 Pretty self explanatory. In the sideways, they're all dead, and Jack didn't know it. He finds out, has to come to terms with it, then leave to heaven. Same as the Sixth Sense ending, and much like these Kimmel endings, it has nothing to do with the rest of the show.
Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 'It' would refer to the programme, and not just a segment of it. So it wasn't self-explanatory.
It was nothing like 'the sixth sense' ending (completely different context), and it wasn't only Jack who was involved. All of it had to do with the characters, and in terms of the 'hero's journey' (the template-narrative that LOST used) it had everything to do with it.
I understand you weren't too pleased with the reveal, but the entire episode didn't consist of just the flash sideways.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 The 'hero's journey' ends with ascension, what they performed with the flash sideways, in terms of the characters, is acceptable as being ascension. Therefore it had everything to do with the 'hero's journey'.
It was not entirely self explanatory. You simply used 'it' as your subject, and the flash sideways conclusion is only partial to the final episode.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 No. It's about the characters, and how they change and develop in response to their trials (their trials both consisting of their personal life and the issues of the island). That is how storytelling works, it is always about its character(s). They were the point. Not the island (the island, only a partial trial, could have been anything else and wouldn't make a difference). Also, it's the basic template of the 'hero's journey'--it's about the hero, not the journey.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 I have a feeling that you may have been expecting some giant reveal in the conclusion that would tie up everything in the plot (even if it were something terrible, i.e the island is an alien spaceship, they all died in the flight, it was all a dream, etc).
Your argument is on the basis that the show is about the island, and not about the characters.
Look up anything to do with scripting, character development, or even quote the writers and producers themselves. You are wrong.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 for some reason all your comments are removed.
Just correcting you on the last comment you sent me in regards to lord of the rings, a league of their own, and so forth. a) completely different genres, particularly in terms of script (film vs tv). b) the trials are the same regardless. as aforementioned, it's about character, and therefore if a league of their own involved the same characters abandoned in the outback after a bus breakdown in Australia, they could develop the same way.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 i was limited for space.
I said script genre, it works in context. but obviously that's too far over your head.
character development requires them to meet an end, whether it is something as simple as a troubled relationship being repaired or something more complex like, for instance, man of science become man of faith (using a lost example), the setting is irrelevant.
we're not jumping from a baseball field btw, there is no baseball, i said characters (personal identity).
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 genre comes from the same french word which means type, and it always depends on its context. if you don't believe me, look it up.
and your original argument was that the character's resolution in the lost finale were completely irrelevant. are you now trying to change your argument?
the focus is the development, and the issue that must be resolved, the setting is secondary, and can be changed with minimal or even no hindrance on the character and issue.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 we're not discussing entertainment, we're discussing writing (i.e scriptwriting). In that context, genre is used correctly.
If you want to correct me, don't change the conditions to support you.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 writing, not entertainment. They're completely different formats (hence why scriptwriting comes under the english courses at tertiary level education rather than media studies-------it's the form of writing not entertainment).
"Unless I'm mistaken...", "...You don't know what you are talking about".
Doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about. Why not go have a search on it.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 there is no such thing as 'entertainment writing'. It is always writing, and anything only becomes involved in the entertainment industry when it is adapted, otherwise, on its own, it is written material.
As I have so often suggested, look it up. Or are you afraid to be proven wrong? Just ask, I'll send you the evidence.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 And i just LOVE dealing with someone who is so afraid to research and see if what they're saying is correct (i.e 'genre').
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 it actually deals primarily with internal conflict, not external. And I am a writer.
The flash-sideways in the finale were not irrelevant. I would agree with you that as a whole, they were unnecessary, really only serving a purpose in the final episode. Until the reveal of their nature, they operate under the allusion that their directly linked to the present occurrences on the island.
But they did serve character, you were wrong to say they didn't. It provides alternative aspect.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 no. you misunderstand me.
By setting, I mean the environment in which the characters exist (i.e the star wars universe). In terms of character, the setting serves no other purpose than to carry the issue of the character (similar to a supporting character, it exists to guide them). The setting can be changed to anything, what it is specifically isn't the issue, but rather how it serves the character.
So if Luke and Vader were all characters in a completely other universe.......(cont.)
Damon242 1 year ago
@Pwells1from the beginning (therefore not changing the primary setting halfway through an already established story), then there would be no impact on the character, because at the end of the day, the story is about the protagonist (or in Lost's cast, group of protagonists) resolving their problems, and developing. How, is what they show you. But the means can always change, so long as the end is achieved. That is what I meant by the setting not playing an absolutely vital part to the character.
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 Unless you tie the existence of the flashsideways in to the faith argument LOST discusses, primarily about fate, and whether or not their is a purpose to life (and much like religious concepts, life's purpose serves an existence after life, i.e the flashsideways).
It's more or less only relevant to their core concepts.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 It alluded to it, but it was something of a red herring.
Unfortunately, regarding what you just said, that treats the island as a character (it's acceptable to do so if one uses it in a supporting role), the only issue is that it treats the island as a protagonist; where it's issues/conflicts are the primary focus of the script.
the island is simply a device, used to serve the progression of the protagonists through their conflicts. It mustn't be treated as anything more.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 it serves concept, character, and resolution. Giving finality to the series. It is, however, only relevant to the sixth season and to the end itself.
As aforementioned, the reveal of what it is does hurt its existence in the season, however, it works for the final episode, because it ends the story.
You once mentioned Lord of the Rings. The flashsideways are the ships traveling to the grey havens. Or, Titantic (the closest to LOST's ending), and Rose returning to Titanic in her death.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 The character development involves the choices characters would have made had things been different, and how their choices in the flash sideways parallel with their island lives. The best episodic-example of this is Dr Linus. Other than that, there are also small moments (though only a few), where their remorse and desire for forgiveness is further touched upon (the absolute best example being Ben and Locke outside of the church in the finale).
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 Other than what I previously mentioned, the flash-sideways were for nostalgia. You are correct. More precisely, they're fan service (the return of favourite characters, favourite series' moments, 'what if's', etc). Concept wise, the flash sideways work.
It's a mixed bag, but I personally can't say that it didn't deserve to be there.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 Again, if the setting was change they wouldn't even be in the star wars universe!
It's the fundamental setting, the world they are in. Like putting the star wars characters, their fundamental selves (internal), inside of the lord of the rings universe. They will end the same.
you cannot change it part way through.
p.s it is possible to do what you said, it's called a spin-off. Nobody likes them.
btw in an earlier comment you said that luke killed darth vader, he didn't. Vader did.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1character development deals with internal conflicts, not external.
anything external relates to concept, which is a subjugate to character.
I have the character of sayid, a man who had done terrible things (a seemingly irredeemable man), and I turn him good by the end of the story (by any means), and attached the concept of redemption; and that it is possible for every man, or something along the lines of good and evil, etc etc
Those are the fundamental things. All else can change
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 You operate on the belief that when you mention one idea, for instance 'external conflict', you expect everyone to automatically realize that you are not speaking of 'external conflict' exclusively, but the combination of internal conflict, text, subtext; all of them treated as the subject.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 you must forget religion when discussing faith, the two are mutually exclusive of each other (unfortunately most people seem to put the two together, which complicates things).
the island never served as a metaphor for faith (and religion, as you put it). It never was a metaphor, because what was it directly linking the island two? What was the metaphor of faith?
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1whether the ending is good bad is personal opinion, it's not weak material (it has plenty of concept to analyze, which makes it smart material)
Yes, the island can be treated as a character (it's a stronger character than the other two you mentioned, but they can be treated also).However, it is in a supporting role. So unlike what you mentioned, it's there to simply push the protagonists, not to develop on its own. In writing, you can allow the support to develop, but it's not necessary
Damon242 1 year ago
@Pwells1 I apologize for some of the grammar mistakes. I should have proof-read before posting, I was simply in a rush (it's almost one o'clock in the morning over here).
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 that's the point. you do not make things too different, otherwise you risk changing the fundamental elements of the character, therefore a creating an entirely new one.
The flashbacks and island didn't deal with "what would I have done had things be different", they dealt with change ("If I had a second chance...").
It all ties in from the second episode 'Tabula Rasa' which means clean slate, and compares their pre-island lives with their island lives.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 They have to keep what if fundamental to the character, and the greatest influences on their lives (i.e locke's paralysis, kate's need to run, the death of sawyer's parents, jacks' bad relationship with his father, etc) otherwise they are too drastically changed. You quoted me, made a claim, but didn't really explain what you meant.
second chances at choosing btw; whether or not they would make that choice again, knowing of the consequences (allegorically in this case).....
Damon242 1 year ago
@Pwells1 Remember that the audience was not meant to be aware of what the flash sideways really were at this point, so there was material thrown in to maintain the allusion that it was something possibly generated by the hydrogen bomb. Which of course, the audience was tricked by from the very beginning (purposefully, it was made so that they mistook initial recap for being a part of the episode).
Damon242 1 year ago
@Pwells1 As aforementioned, fate is one of the core concepts of the show. Is it destiny that these characters end up in certain circumstance (the seeimingly identical life situations of the characters in the flashsideways, always slightly altered; kate is innocent, sawyer is a cop, jack has a son, locke was on good terms with his father, etc)? Is there free-will (this is presented in the 'choice' format)?
The flash sideways were heavy on concept.
Damon242 1 year ago
@Pwells1 Using 'Dr Linus' (since it is the strongest independent flash sideways episode), we have the character of Ben (the difference in his life being that he left the island, he had been there previously and experienced the Dharma Initiative. And he appeared to be on far better terms with his father, which was the critical influence on Ben's actions).
So, we have the same series of circumstances as on the island, only this time in a school (man in charge, community, etc).....(cont)
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 So confident are you in your side of the argument that you add insult to your discussion for extra support. Because using profanity in a live debate has always worked so well for others in the past.
Just like you neglect to follow through on my suggestion you research on the meaning and use of the word 'genre', you do the same with researching character development.
In this latest comment, you have completely left out the aforementioned exploration of concepts.
Damon242 1 year ago
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@Pwells1 "So, we have the same series of circumstances as on the island, only this time in a school"
and what was I discussing again?
If I recall correctly (or with a read of the text on this page) I was discussing how they were exploring the "what if things were different" idea and slightly tweaking their character, based on the fundamental causes of their primary issues, presenting them with similar ordeals, and seeing how they would deal with them different. Is the choice they make fated?
Damon242 1 year ago
@Pwells1 Ben is the same person at heart, he isn't too different from his island-self, so the audience will still understand him.
Now the principal of the school is widmore, and Ben's dilhema involving the school and alex is the choice between her life and the island in the main thread. With a slight tweak of the character, we see him make positioned to make a familiar choice.
Unlike Sayid, he chooses to deal the situation differently (if this were the island, he would now surrender himself).
Damon242 1 year ago
@Damon242 the other situation involving the principal harks back to season 5 flashback moments where Ben confronts Widmore (both on the choice to kill rousseau and alex, and when widmore is banished).
All the important moments of the characters' life on the island are returned to the episode's flash sideways setting, and re-explored.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 "And in the sideways, he's been away from her even longer than in the real world". What are you talking about exactly? When was he away from Penny in the flash sideways universe for more than three years?
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 So I take it you are wondering why he favoured the sideways world?
It's debatable, although the company on the IGN boards just rested with the idea that it was a world with Penny in which he didn't have to break her heart.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 ......how is it that you don't understand what I am talking about when I mention 'setting'? The characters are not leia, luke, vader, etc, they are what the characters are fundamentally, i.e at their most basic form as human beings. The setting, or trials, can be anything so long as they work at getting the character from issue to resolution. Again, the means are irrelevant, so long as the end is met.
Damon242 1 year ago
@Pwells1 film and tv must not be treated as the same. They are different, and must be resolved carefully and in very different ways.
From now on, use television examples rather than film.
They do have to do with the storyline, not the island, but the lives of the characters. Their lives, their afterlife. The only thing that has you fuming is that the latter occurred simultaneously, in terms of the episodes, with the island storyline.
The story is about the characters, then about the island.
Damon242 1 year ago
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Pwells1 1 year ago
@Pwells1 they didn't fail, and i'm not blind to their mistakes. I'd be far more critical of other seasons that 2. And I am certainly not one of those who think that they had everything planned from the beginning, if that's what you're suggesting, Impossible. They planned seasons out, sure, that's evident, but not the series.
The flash sideways were certainly not "last minute", an entire year in advance to broadcast and you think that their nature was made up just going into the finale?
Damon242 1 year ago