Instead of talking about this as if it were religion in general, why doesn't he point out that the author is talking about Christianity, since those Western democratic countries have a Christian majority?
By the way it's great to see that, at least on this first page, there are no self-righteous, ignorant web-crusaders condemning us all to hell based on some absurd pretense.
Fuck political correctness. Enough is enough. It should not be controversial to state that religon is correlated to, if not a cause, of myriad social problems. It is obvious, not debatable. Religion is just unacceptable at this point. Despite its dubious good intentions, it has been damaged beyond 'salvation' by the very human weakness and ignorance from which it originated. Hopefully, the evils of widespread religion will become more and more accepted as fact.
@Anjro0 People are in fact responsible for all atrocities. To assign blame to people of faith is to deny that people of not faith bare no responsibility. Its hared for me imagine why people actively look for reasons to hate religion. Havent they got better things to do? I bet you cant state one bad thing religion has imposed on you.
Nothing new really. Sam Harris, among others, has pointed out that crime rates in Bible-belt states in the US are higher, across the board, than in more liberal states. These numbers are statistically-based. Not whimsical liberal notons. It is also a fact, for instance, the number of addicts in Afghanistan dwarfs those in the more secular west. And that pedophilia is rampant in Islam Ad nauseam. I rest my case.
I agree, Jesus for the most part is a positive role model, seems to me christainity these days is becoming more and more... how do I say... Christless!
Technically, the followers of Christ are, indeed, the problem. Or so is suggested by the statistics collected by this study. Belief in Christ, or rather belief in general, be it in Christ, Allah, or the Judaic God, the Hindu Pantheon, and perhaps even the Bhuddist Divine means that you and your neighbors are more likely to do immoral things like rape, steal, murder, and knock up little girls.
He (Greg) doesn't say that himself, but the data strongly suggests that strong belief equates evil.
I've seen this correlation before (Jan Meshon of FreeThoughtAction[dot]org brings it up in his talks), and my belief is that the correlation stems from a common cause. I think that the feeling that the system is out to get you and you can't improve yourself within the system leads to both religiosity and these behaviors.
I should also mention that (with the possible exception of teen pregnancy) that's it's not the same people in these communities turning to "crime" and religion.
This is not surprising, even if there is no causation (which sometimes there is). Crime is more common among the poor and less well-educated : the same people who are most vulnerable to religious illogicality and the hope of false promises.
@GalacticAtom This news report way out of context, (typical of msnbc) and should have never been broadcast. I guess the viewers are to consume this report without asking things like, exactly what countries as well as what socio-economic sectors. And whome are the so call experts that Alex is talking about. Maddow? Ohberman? Does Alex even have a clue? This is just another attempt by the left to discredit people of faith. And thier mindless drones eat it up
Yet somehow Christianity claims higher morality against all studies & evidence....
moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
This trend also applies between states in the US...the higher the religion the worse it gets.
TheTechnomage 10 months ago
a person is smart...people are dumb....be your own religion and quit worrying about what others approve/dissaprove of
arkee71 1 year ago
in other words his study doesn't mean shit.
ikcjjtt 1 year ago
Instead of talking about this as if it were religion in general, why doesn't he point out that the author is talking about Christianity, since those Western democratic countries have a Christian majority?
arcanist9 1 year ago
By the way it's great to see that, at least on this first page, there are no self-righteous, ignorant web-crusaders condemning us all to hell based on some absurd pretense.
Anjro0 2 years ago
I conquer!
ichibakudan 2 years ago
Fuck political correctness. Enough is enough. It should not be controversial to state that religon is correlated to, if not a cause, of myriad social problems. It is obvious, not debatable. Religion is just unacceptable at this point. Despite its dubious good intentions, it has been damaged beyond 'salvation' by the very human weakness and ignorance from which it originated. Hopefully, the evils of widespread religion will become more and more accepted as fact.
Anjro0 2 years ago
nicely put, couldn't say it better myself.
ichibakudan 2 years ago
@Anjro0 People are in fact responsible for all atrocities. To assign blame to people of faith is to deny that people of not faith bare no responsibility. Its hared for me imagine why people actively look for reasons to hate religion. Havent they got better things to do? I bet you cant state one bad thing religion has imposed on you.
mmac382 1 year ago
Oh, the blonde is so politically correct.
A bit too much for my taste.
oscarmvela 2 years ago
Nothing new really. Sam Harris, among others, has pointed out that crime rates in Bible-belt states in the US are higher, across the board, than in more liberal states. These numbers are statistically-based. Not whimsical liberal notons. It is also a fact, for instance, the number of addicts in Afghanistan dwarfs those in the more secular west. And that pedophilia is rampant in Islam Ad nauseam. I rest my case.
clearvision12 3 years ago 3
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Those who follow the teachings of Christ are not the problem. Christ preached tolerance, love and mercy.
thereallefank 3 years ago
I agree, Jesus for the most part is a positive role model, seems to me christainity these days is becoming more and more... how do I say... Christless!
TheAgnosticAspie 3 years ago
Technically, the followers of Christ are, indeed, the problem. Or so is suggested by the statistics collected by this study. Belief in Christ, or rather belief in general, be it in Christ, Allah, or the Judaic God, the Hindu Pantheon, and perhaps even the Bhuddist Divine means that you and your neighbors are more likely to do immoral things like rape, steal, murder, and knock up little girls.
He (Greg) doesn't say that himself, but the data strongly suggests that strong belief equates evil.
TrollOfReason 3 years ago
I've seen this correlation before (Jan Meshon of FreeThoughtAction[dot]org brings it up in his talks), and my belief is that the correlation stems from a common cause. I think that the feeling that the system is out to get you and you can't improve yourself within the system leads to both religiosity and these behaviors.
I should also mention that (with the possible exception of teen pregnancy) that's it's not the same people in these communities turning to "crime" and religion.
CousinoMacul 3 years ago
This is not surprising, even if there is no causation (which sometimes there is). Crime is more common among the poor and less well-educated : the same people who are most vulnerable to religious illogicality and the hope of false promises.
GalacticAtom 3 years ago 8
Right on. The most religious areas tend to be the poorest and less educated. Which is exactly proportionate to the level of crime in those areas.
infidelguy 3 years ago
@GalacticAtom This news report way out of context, (typical of msnbc) and should have never been broadcast. I guess the viewers are to consume this report without asking things like, exactly what countries as well as what socio-economic sectors. And whome are the so call experts that Alex is talking about. Maddow? Ohberman? Does Alex even have a clue? This is just another attempt by the left to discredit people of faith. And thier mindless drones eat it up
mmac382 1 year ago
google: DOES RELIGION REALLY REDUCE CRIME?
first link
simplybornhuman 3 years ago