Tibetan Uprising 2008

[redrosary]

What a blatant lie. This doesn't disprove a single verifiable fact that the Lama class were a bunch of totalitarian monsters, it only proves these people are also being oppressed by the Chinese.

[splittist]

@redrosary: how is it a blatant lie? redrosary, enlighten me.

The Chinese people it seems are much happier under the CCP than they were under foreigners(i.e., the Japanese).

[splittist]

@redrosary :

same logic, the Tibetans would be happier under their own people than under foreign Chinese oppressors. They would have the opportunity of building and advancing their nation like every other nation has had. remember, not all nations were perfect back then, slaves were present even in mainland china. how do u think they built the goddamn "Great Wall"??

[johnny9037]

Wait just a question b4 u guys start this furore and jumping bandwagons again.

When you guys talk about oppression, have anyone experienced TRUE democracy before?

Democracy, an ideal value, can its theories work in our increasingly imperfect world today?

U guys better start thinking first. And when you point fingers at anyone whom you guys think they are guilty of oppression, you guys are 3 times more likely to have oppressed someone b4...

I am not siding tibet and I am not siding China

[splittist]

well johnny9037,

we've seen so-called TRUE communism, and it sure is worse than democracy.

[johnny9037]

How sure are you that China is truly communist? How sure are you that democracy will not bring such kind of "oppression"?

[splittist]

hi johnny9037,

i never said china was truly communist. you may not have noticed the phrase "so-called" that i had used there in my previous comment.

Neither did I suggest that democracy would be a godsend for Tibetans. I'm okay with any kind of political structure as long as it respects rights of people which China, clearly, is not doing.

[splittist]

If you use your mind and think about it for a while, you'll notice that Tibetans are protesting not necessarily because they're opposed to communism and they want democracy (although you have to agree that democracy is better perceived compared to say communism), but because they are denied of their fundamental human rights which is totally justifiable.

[johnny9037]

Erm it's highly debatable about your Tibetians receiving basic rights because both sources give highly biased views. I have not seen any neutral sources about this issue.

But i definitely discern what's real, what's fake and what's ideal

[splittist]

Sources are highly debatable, but you have to realize that it is the Chinese government who's blocking off Tibet from the rest of the world. If there was harmony and peace like the Chinese claim, and if there was nothing to worry about, why do you think the CCP is barring international media from entering Tibet? Isn't that an instant give-away?

[splittist]

What that implicates is that the Chinese (govt) does NOT want you, nor the world, to have any "neutral sources" that you need in order to believe the reality that's actually taking place on the ground.

[johnny9037]

If they really wanted to isolate Tibet, they would not even build the railway at all. Your Tibetians will end up in the similar situations like the Rohingyas as well.

Every country has reasons why they need to do such blockades. They can be bad and good. Look no one knows what is going on entirely in Iraq and Afghanistan. CNN and BBC cannot provide such coverage.

[splittist]

That is a very simplistic, and dare I say, a narrow minded way at looking at things. The British built the most elaborate railway network in India mainly for purposes of consolidating their power, transporting raw materials translating to more profit, etc. Basically, they did what any colonizer would do, i.e., make the juice worth the squeeze.

I hope you can see how the railway would have more benefit to the CCP than for the CCP to care about 'isolating' Tibet.

[splittist]

In any case, I did not mean 'isolate' as in physical isolation in the post that you had replied to. I merely meant isolation from the world media and the international community. Maybe I should have stated it explicitly and not have assumed that you would not misunderstand.

Cheers.

[johnny9037]

For the beating up of protesters, there are two sides of this issue. I can understand the outrage in that. Our world had become more civilised and cannot stand such "barbarism". On the other hand, asians are much determined than the west in conducting protests and demonstrations. Look at Korea. You probably need brute force to break up protests.

[splittist]

Again, you're drawing false parallels. The CCP is an oppressive foreign regime colonizing Tibet, don't forget that. You're only looking at the surface when it comes to the 2008 March demonstrations. Maybe it's time you looked under the hood and actually read more of Tibetan history which would give you a better idea of the situation.

When the Japanese Imperial Army invaded China, was it wrong for a young woman from Shanxi who led her fellow villagers to rise up against the Japanese army? No.

[johnny9037]

Again, I did not say it was wrong to protest. I have read a lot of Tibetian history and have tibetian friends. And i did not paint CCP in an awesome light. Neither did I generalise CCP as what you said just now. If I use your generalised assumption, isn't the US an oppressive foreign force on Iraq and Afghanistan? How about Britain and the other colonial forces in the past?

[splittist]

I have never espoused the US and its dealings, neither have I given even so much as a hint of support for Imperial Britain, et al.

I did not generalize the CCP when i said they are an oppressive foreign regime in Tibet. That, my friend, is a known fact.

[FightTyranny]

A nation will not and Cannot die simply because the oppressor is wicked.

Tibet will be free from Chinese Governments chains of brutality

[morekiller]

township rebellion baby

[Akiyo12345]

Tibetans rebelling against the Commies proves to the world that Tibetan people WERE NOT slaves to the Dalai Lama and that China lies!

If Tibetans really were slaves under the Dalai Lama then they wouldn't rebel against the CCP.

[mdnkdx]

Rage Against The MaChina!!!!!!

[mdnkdx]

TIGHT SOLIDARITY also from Japan.

God bless all Tibetans. Bod Gyalo!

[arafel1964]

Dear Tibetans

Do understand one thing very clear, only your strength (military wise) will make your voice heard in this world..then you should consider talking/negotiating/demanding with the "Evil".

Please remember that your Ghandi/Nelson Mandela syle will not work against that "Evil" because:

1. They are a major sponsor of State Terrorism (Sri Lanka, Burma).

2. They dont even know the spelling of Human Rights or Freedom of Speech.

3. They are ruthless and "Evil"

Free Tibet

[niten73]

SUPPORT TIBET!

search GOOGLE for

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Stand with Tibet - Support the Dalai Lama

See 'Tibet was NEVER a part of China' !!!

Everybody.See a movie about SEVEN YEARS IN TIBET!!!

[arafel1964]

You have to let people change and to plot their own future for themselves.

It is better than being oppressed by a non- democratic system like the chinese, who have no respect for human rights, civil liberties, freedom of speech, freedom of press, an individual rights to choice and basically freedom.

[niten73]

Go TIBET dot ORG

SUPPORT TIBET!

See 'Tibet was NEVER a part of China' !!!

Everybody.See a movie about SEVEN YEARS IN TIBET!!!

[niten73]

Go Tibet . org

SUPPORT TIBET!

See 'Tibet was NEVER a part of China' !!!

Everybody.See a movie about SEVEN YEARS IN TIBET!!!

[gawogawa]

Tibet will be free! Great video btw

[palingroker]

no olympics

[hossy1111]

Free Tibet!

and

No Beijing Olympic!

[BeijOlmTibblood]

free tibet, tibet belong to tibetan; we will never ever give up on tibet.........

[Sachazg]

China - the world is watching you... FREE TIBET!

[mamaloe1]

its good that they cannot blocked youtube in the rest of the world.

[50tenz]

Free Tibet now !!!

[50tenz]

FREE TIBET NOW !!!

[cryinginrhegam]

i will support tibet.

[sprry9560]

Free Tibet !

[TheRealChina]

This is what happens when a Nation and its people have been oppressed for more than 50 years !

CHINA The world is WATCHING !

FREEDOM TO TIBETAN PEOPLE!

[FightTyranny]

Free Tibet ! Tibet will be Free from BRUTAL Chinese Occupation!