This is exactly what Bruce Lee was talking about when he pulled together the concept of Jeet Kune Do.
These applications will only work in a controlled, cooperative, and non-dangerous enviroment. You can't realistically stay in a static stance like that and make an effective technique work.
All responses must be different and must be intended for that one situation. Things like form and kata are guidelines. If you apply them directly, it looks like this.
I think this is a good Bunkai,offcourse in a real situation,you will never be in a horse stance fighting in this way.However the positive you get from this is the developement of each individual technique to be used in whatever stance and a far greater speed,without any format,dealing with the situation as it comes.Sensei Enoeda killed a robber in the USA who attacked him with one single punch.Enoeda sensei continiously trained on the Makiwara.
I know its hard to see how kata could be useful. I used to think the same thing, but after so many years, the kata moves come out without even thinking. That is the purpose of kata. When you have the mouthpeice and the gloves on, and someone is attacking you, in free sparring techniques do not come out as clean and crisp as in kata. In fact, most of the time, they're pretty sloppy. We just practice them with precision, so they come out automatic. I hope that sets your mind at ease.
@WarriorBoy Enoeda did not kill anyone in the US, that is BS. Enoeda became enamored with himself and stopped learning. He was violent and had a forceful personality but in terms of true karate he was ignorant. Shotokan people will tell you otherwise but the study of what karate really is tells another story. The JKA practices a sport and karate is not a sport.
@IEKUKATAKA LOL! I cannot believe that anyone who has learned the great kata of the Shotokan style will not then pay immediate homage to the great masters of China. It is so evident that Chinese Gung Fu is the incubator of Karate. Everytime I do my kata I pay homage to the great Monks and their tradition that goes all the way back to Shaolin! I've learned more about Karate by investigating Shoalin temple boxing, Chi'na, Tai Chi, etc than I ever learned from Nakayama and his senseis! LOL!
@osensei2987 You can pay homage to anyone you like, that is your choice. I do not believe I can learn of karate by learning of Gong Fu. I learn of karate by being involved in the karate of the source, Okinawa. It appears to me that you, and many others, want to assign the development of karate solely to the Chinese as if the Okinawans had no abilities to do so at all. Nonsense!! Karate is of Okinawa, Okinawa is karate. I see influence from China and that is all, Okinawan teachers say the same.
With all due respect, why is it necesary to point that out? Its obvious. Of course no one will attack in that exact sequence. Kata trains the techniques in the kata, through repetition. Those techniquees, once mastered can than be applied to DIFFERENT situations. Did you notice that the guy had shrubs behind him, and couldn't back up? That is why he is in a static stance. That is what the tekkis are for. Kata is an exercise, just like shadow boxing, or bag work. Keep an open mind.
I don't know if you quite knew what I meant. I'm not downplaying the usefulness of something like kata or form, but I believe that the applications for a single move could be fit into a much more convincing scenario.
Instead of having them attack like karate students, why not show the technique's effectiveness against the kind of punches an angry drunk would use?
Maybe I misunderstood where you were coming from. My point is that kata trains you to move in certain directions, and under different scenarios. For example, with this one, your back is to a wall or some obstacle, and your mobility is limited. Therefore, you learn to move in those conditions. As for angry drunk punches, etc... you can incorporate that into free sparring. Kata is necesary though because it contains the techniques of karate, that need to be practiced. It is important training
@WarriorBoy Karate is a formalized system. Especially when Nakayama was in charge! Nakayama was from a family of Ken-Jutsu instructors so his thinking was "VERY FORMALIZED". In a mind that possessed a swordsmanship mentality it would be distasteful to practice against an uki that was simulating a wild unorthodox attack! LOL! But nobody says u have to do like Nakayaka did! Everyone has their contribution to make to the art in spite of criticism from traditionalist fat-heads!
@osensei2987 #1 The JKA does not even practice karate and your asserting they do shows your ignorance regarding the depth of your knowledge. The JKA practices a sport and has limited their technique syllabus to those techniques that can be used in tournaments. They have eliminated many original techniques, the real study of kusho, a true martial focus all because Nakayama wanted tournaments that are amazingly like kendo tournaments. Kendo plays with sticks, the JKA plays at pseudo-karate.
@IEKUKATAKA I don't subscribe to the JKA either, so calm yourself down plz! This ridiculous bunkai was made up by Nakayama and his ilk in an effort to lay nationalistic claim to Shotokan as a Japanese style. The result is bunkai that are comically tragic in their interpretation! LOL!
@osensei2987 #2 Reading and studying history and Okinawan karate will reveal the moral truth. After doing those things and after having been a life member of the JKA in Japan, where I began, and after having being certified to teach by them, I had to make a decision about my own integrity and my karate furure. I could no longer teach Shotokan as karate because it falls short of being karate in many ways. So, I stopped and continued to learn karate the only true way, as an Okinawan martial art.
@osensei2987 #3 I believe any objective person that really will put aside their ego, money considerations or other blinding effects will come to the same conclusion. Martial arts require comprehensive training regarding the nature of human conflict. Okinawan karate employs that very concept in general. It is not perfect and was never intended to be. It is an art form used by common people for common, period needs. It was never a sport and tournaments were never in the equation as in the JKA.
nice bunkai, i like it cus every punch and every block in here has it's meaning not like in modren sport karate, where what you see has nothing to do with real karate anymore, everything is done just for the "good show".
One rule in the Nijukun states: Practicing kata is one thing, engaging in a real fight is another.
sychkid 1 year ago
This is exactly what Bruce Lee was talking about when he pulled together the concept of Jeet Kune Do.
These applications will only work in a controlled, cooperative, and non-dangerous enviroment. You can't realistically stay in a static stance like that and make an effective technique work.
All responses must be different and must be intended for that one situation. Things like form and kata are guidelines. If you apply them directly, it looks like this.
WarriorBoy 3 years ago
I think this is a good Bunkai,offcourse in a real situation,you will never be in a horse stance fighting in this way.However the positive you get from this is the developement of each individual technique to be used in whatever stance and a far greater speed,without any format,dealing with the situation as it comes.Sensei Enoeda killed a robber in the USA who attacked him with one single punch.Enoeda sensei continiously trained on the Makiwara.
SKIFTIGER 2 years ago
I guess I just have a hard time seeing how something this over-ritualized and planned would translate into the chaos that is any kind of fighting.
However your anecdote about Sensei Enoeda is interesting. Can you provide a source on it? If that's a true story I'm impressed!
WarriorBoy 2 years ago
I know its hard to see how kata could be useful. I used to think the same thing, but after so many years, the kata moves come out without even thinking. That is the purpose of kata. When you have the mouthpeice and the gloves on, and someone is attacking you, in free sparring techniques do not come out as clean and crisp as in kata. In fact, most of the time, they're pretty sloppy. We just practice them with precision, so they come out automatic. I hope that sets your mind at ease.
njtr 2 years ago
@WarriorBoy Enoeda did not kill anyone in the US, that is BS. Enoeda became enamored with himself and stopped learning. He was violent and had a forceful personality but in terms of true karate he was ignorant. Shotokan people will tell you otherwise but the study of what karate really is tells another story. The JKA practices a sport and karate is not a sport.
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA LOL! I cannot believe that anyone who has learned the great kata of the Shotokan style will not then pay immediate homage to the great masters of China. It is so evident that Chinese Gung Fu is the incubator of Karate. Everytime I do my kata I pay homage to the great Monks and their tradition that goes all the way back to Shaolin! I've learned more about Karate by investigating Shoalin temple boxing, Chi'na, Tai Chi, etc than I ever learned from Nakayama and his senseis! LOL!
osensei2987 1 year ago
@osensei2987 You can pay homage to anyone you like, that is your choice. I do not believe I can learn of karate by learning of Gong Fu. I learn of karate by being involved in the karate of the source, Okinawa. It appears to me that you, and many others, want to assign the development of karate solely to the Chinese as if the Okinawans had no abilities to do so at all. Nonsense!! Karate is of Okinawa, Okinawa is karate. I see influence from China and that is all, Okinawan teachers say the same.
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
With all due respect, why is it necesary to point that out? Its obvious. Of course no one will attack in that exact sequence. Kata trains the techniques in the kata, through repetition. Those techniquees, once mastered can than be applied to DIFFERENT situations. Did you notice that the guy had shrubs behind him, and couldn't back up? That is why he is in a static stance. That is what the tekkis are for. Kata is an exercise, just like shadow boxing, or bag work. Keep an open mind.
njtr 2 years ago
I don't know if you quite knew what I meant. I'm not downplaying the usefulness of something like kata or form, but I believe that the applications for a single move could be fit into a much more convincing scenario.
Instead of having them attack like karate students, why not show the technique's effectiveness against the kind of punches an angry drunk would use?
WarriorBoy 2 years ago
Maybe I misunderstood where you were coming from. My point is that kata trains you to move in certain directions, and under different scenarios. For example, with this one, your back is to a wall or some obstacle, and your mobility is limited. Therefore, you learn to move in those conditions. As for angry drunk punches, etc... you can incorporate that into free sparring. Kata is necesary though because it contains the techniques of karate, that need to be practiced. It is important training
njtr 2 years ago
@WarriorBoy Karate is a formalized system. Especially when Nakayama was in charge! Nakayama was from a family of Ken-Jutsu instructors so his thinking was "VERY FORMALIZED". In a mind that possessed a swordsmanship mentality it would be distasteful to practice against an uki that was simulating a wild unorthodox attack! LOL! But nobody says u have to do like Nakayaka did! Everyone has their contribution to make to the art in spite of criticism from traditionalist fat-heads!
osensei2987 1 year ago
@osensei2987 #1 The JKA does not even practice karate and your asserting they do shows your ignorance regarding the depth of your knowledge. The JKA practices a sport and has limited their technique syllabus to those techniques that can be used in tournaments. They have eliminated many original techniques, the real study of kusho, a true martial focus all because Nakayama wanted tournaments that are amazingly like kendo tournaments. Kendo plays with sticks, the JKA plays at pseudo-karate.
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA I don't subscribe to the JKA either, so calm yourself down plz! This ridiculous bunkai was made up by Nakayama and his ilk in an effort to lay nationalistic claim to Shotokan as a Japanese style. The result is bunkai that are comically tragic in their interpretation! LOL!
osensei2987 1 year ago
@osensei2987 #2 Reading and studying history and Okinawan karate will reveal the moral truth. After doing those things and after having been a life member of the JKA in Japan, where I began, and after having being certified to teach by them, I had to make a decision about my own integrity and my karate furure. I could no longer teach Shotokan as karate because it falls short of being karate in many ways. So, I stopped and continued to learn karate the only true way, as an Okinawan martial art.
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
@osensei2987 #3 I believe any objective person that really will put aside their ego, money considerations or other blinding effects will come to the same conclusion. Martial arts require comprehensive training regarding the nature of human conflict. Okinawan karate employs that very concept in general. It is not perfect and was never intended to be. It is an art form used by common people for common, period needs. It was never a sport and tournaments were never in the equation as in the JKA.
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
Completely unrealistic interpretation. Time to get the blueprint back out.
ronin752 3 years ago 2
maybe you could use an attempted 2 handed grab instead?
neilflat 3 years ago
The thing which puzzles me is would anyone in the dojo attack with a double punch ??
I don't think so
karatefella 3 years ago 2
Back in those days, it was more likely. But that sweeping move can also be used as a counter to a neck grab/choke hold.
deek77 3 years ago
The Okinawan Masters are rolling over in their graves. This is awful interpretation of the kata.
roningb 3 years ago
Very labored bunkai....not very practical when compared with older Okinawan bunkai.
Ronin6575 3 years ago
nice bunkai, i like it cus every punch and every block in here has it's meaning not like in modren sport karate, where what you see has nothing to do with real karate anymore, everything is done just for the "good show".
Matejmaister 3 years ago