...and an extra truck were called for and responded. The fire was extinguished and the building was declared sound enough to perform some overhaul. Oddly, I, who responded on the second, had been in this store (a specialty lighting and ceiling fan shop) just two days before and remembered the floorplan. The number four side did, ultimately, collapse into the street below.
Interesting to see this as a training scenario, and I applaud the efforts. In case anyone was wondering what the real scenario was, and what tactics were applied, here's a brief summary. The initial responding companies attempted an interior attack, but fire conditions warranted a defensive response. The threat of collapse of the third floor led to the Squrt on the 1-4 corner repositioning outside the collapse zone, which was isolated on the 4 side. The second alarm and an extra engine...
protect exposures, master stream defensive attack on the structure, the structure isnt going to be saved so keep everyone out of the collapse zone. call for as much mutual aid as possible.
As IC, I would not initiatiate SAR in fire building. The building is too involved to safely send firefighters in to any floor. I would first evacuate exposures and initiate exposure protection with water curtains and possible interior lines. For the fire building, I would surround and drown. I would call for investigation and possibly initiate a body search if there were any indication building was occupied and if the remains were sound.
if i were OIC of this incident,, i would have a primary search conducted on the first two levels,, when search is done,, surround and drown. but im no chief. this is comming from someone who has been a small town firefighter for 5 years,
in a situation like that if i were the 1st arrivng officer , i would pass command to the next arriving officer of highier rank and have dispatch strike a secondaqnd third alarm.from the way the building is engulfed i would not risk a primary search because of possible structure collasp, and have the on scene safety officer setup a collaspzone. surrondanddrown.
I would not RISK MY MENS LIFE on Search and Rescue,the first and second floor could Flash over on Me.Chief Does not see what I see,only if I heard screams of People I would RISK it and with a 2 1/2 as a entry line.With no Positive Water Pressure its is suicide.
Complete Defensive attack with Wagon Batteries and Master Streams.Very Heavy Fire load,making sure all rigs and Firefighters are clear of possible building collapse,looks like a brick building.We have Big Time EXPOSURE PROBLEMS,establish a WATER CURTAIN across the street,and next to the involved structure.Radiant Heat could make My EXPOSURES take off,I have enough problems with My fully involved structure.I am Command,and My Engines Captains are East side Operations,West Side Operations,Etc.
@ehurt152 - The scenario in the description says "hydrants are frozen" Obviously, in the video they were not, but the poster asked for comments on the scenario, not necessarily what is shown in the video.
The engines are to close to the structure, and it has been said many times, call in tankers, Great job getin' the fire out though. I saw someone put in air drop, this ain't a cali brush fire covering thousands of acres. Its a structure fire in a city, first of all I dont know of any city department that uses "air drops" and secondly heilocopters are mad expensinve never mind the fuel, heard its about 100k for a fire chopper to work for a shift just in fuel.
I SEE THAT THE PROBLEM IS WATER VOLUME......AND THE SOLUTION IS WATER TANKERS AND DO NOT FUCKING USE THE SAME HYDRANT LINES......EXPLAIN...ONCE U CONNECT IN A HYDRANT YOU MOST USE ANOTHER HYDRANT CONNECTION THAT IS NOT INVOLVE IN THE SAME LINE...SECOND......THE PROXIMITY OF FIRE ENGINES TO A BURNING BUILDING IS TRULLY DANGEROUS BECAUSE OF A COLAPSE STRUCTURE IS INMINENT. AND THIRD ( WILL BE THE FIRST) BACKUP......THAT S I SEE ON VIDEO......
Call in tankers and if there is any water close(like a river) have a a couple of 6" running up from it with engines every 1000' and get an aerial up and have 2 1/2"s around each side and surround and drown.
I could tell it was Lou, KY right from the beginning because of TeleSquirt 21 pulling up and at the end Truck 1 was fully extended over the building....
well I'm an EMT, so personally I'd make sure no one was inside, then pull up a picnic chair and let it burn. but odds are I'd have to do some rehab somewhere in the middle. a message to all you hot heads out there. REHAB SAVES LIVES and I do it because I care about my team. all of you are my team. so when you've been in too long come back to me, lemme check you out and get you geared up and ready to go. I don't bite...unless you want me to....
When the vid starts the 3rd floor is already gone. Life hazered 1am in a commercial is almost nothing. If I was BC and I saw what was there when the vid starts I might make a push depending how long the fire has been going, what the bilding is made of, water supply,and how many units on seen. 1st and 2nd floor seem ok. no smoke pushing out of the windows at first and the 3rd floor has self vented.The BC should not be making any dissions without being there.
Set up a perimter call tankers in. Set up atleast four aerial ladders and douse from the top.Use master streams to keep fire contained. send in a hoseline with your search team. ventilate the crap out of the building.
@geewizartcool No one is going in the top floor of that building, maybe not in the building at all. Also, I don't know how long you have been in the service, but recently they have been teaching us not to just start ventilating everything, you have to do it methodically. I'm not trying to sound like a know it all because you may have a shit load more experience than me, just putting in my two cents.
Ventilating indescriminately was not what i meant. What i meant was if your going to do it do it fast and get down. Probably no-one alive anymore . just protect the perimiter and wait for a new parking lot.
i would strick out a 6th alarm lol and get someone to vent the roof or somthing and get more people to fight interior fire while the other ones that where goes to the rehab tent. then if vents and interior dont work strike out another alarm
Iam a firefighter from new york and we almost never have a fire so a 5 alarm never happens in our district. So something like this would not occure here.
too much fire for a full assault....immediate defensive positions on all fronts, get at least 1 or 2 ladders in to start attacking it from above, and work as many outside angles as possible without putting any manpower in immediate danger or in any areas prone to collapse.
I agree that it is too much for an interior attack. only thing not mentioned is exposure points and of course more strict fire codes...then again that would put us out of business.
Protect the building around it, put a little water on the building on fire to make the on lookers think we are doing something and make sure your men are staying safe and out of the colapse zones.
Towers and Master streams into the structure. Positive pressure and exposure protection crews into tenable areas of extension. Call the world for relief crews and rehab, because it's going to be a long night.
well i just joined the dept. and from the training since it has a hard based shell i would have the ladder trucks shooting the top floors n work the way down as the hose men work there way in ans from the ground up
@firefighterffd138 You're right! This blaze occurred in Louisville. In this instance, it's used as a training scenario -- not as a news story. Good eye!
@FilmLou Wow I remember seeing this, my dad woke me up and drove me down there. It was amazing, and ever since then I've wanted to be nothing but a firefighter. I'm going into recruit class in 4 months.
Limit your water to save the surrounding structures and then wonder WHY I didn't call out sick that morning when I woke up having that feeling " That Something Bad Is Going To Happen Today"!!
i would get all trucks at the fire and make sure that no firefighters go in get all fire trucks hook up to a hydrant near by and get different stations near by to come to the fire mostly pumpers and just get the fire calmed down then there's really no sense of going to only until the fire is knocked down and make sure that the trucks are back a distance unless there's no room but be careful of the fire spreading and the building clasping!
I think in this situation all you can do is exposure protection, especially if there is limited water you aren't really gonna make a lot of progress on that. Obviously no one is going inside there.
if i couldnt find a couple of good hydrants close i would use them if not i would set up tanker ops and go defensive protecting my exposeures as best as i can and confine the fire
Heard something the other day that definitely applies to this one. Our fire chief informed me that our department "has never lost a single lot!" Upon inquiring, he went on to say, "Yeah, the lot is always there when we leave! It might be all thats there, but it is there!"
I would protect surrounding people and property, try to contain the blaze but I would not risk any person by sending them into that blaze, anyone caught inside would have already met their maker and there is no point in risking two more lives to rescue a corpse. It sounds cold but it is the truth.
First would get a ine on the front and side of the structure. If I can obtain info of where the central fire is, I woul debate on whether or not to go for an interior attack. If there are any entrapments, I would go for an immediate search and rescue operation. Once everyone is to safety I would focus mainly on containment of the fire. If possible, I would try to vent the fire seeing how large the structure is to allow some of the heat to disipate to make containment easier.
Like most of you have been saying surround and dround the hell out of it!!! that is really all you can do that fire looks to hot to go in to!!! And it is not worth the lives of your guys to save things that can be replaced!!! Stay safe out there!
in a situation like the one in the video, i would call for a defensive attack, no interior lines. surround the building and dround the fire completley
ya i wouldnt be going into search unless the back was still good and the fire was contained to the front. send a couple of attack lines in to get it from behind and have the ladder and cannons puttin it to it from the front. b\But with no view of the back its hard to say
surround and drown, no need to go in.set up tanker task force with neighbor company's. and like everyone said make a defensive attack and protect property
Extreme defensive (outdoor) attack, buidling fully involved, no persons, not worth the lives of firefighters, protect adjacent buildings !!!!!! Fire Chief Charles Mackoviak
being an english firefighter .a fire of this kind would be dealt with .defensive mode ..or transitional .mode ..where two types of firefighting will be in progress ..as we can only see the front of the building..im unable to pass comment on the tactics that would be used ..if transitional was being used at the rear of the building this would involve trying to prevent fire spread etc ..defensive mode being ..used for just covering building with jets etc ..and cooling adjoining properties .
louisville fire and rescue each fire house at the most gets a lil pass 3000 runs a year we talking a fire at least once a week mostly more , i ve heard the are bad ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It looks like to me that most guys there have red helmets I really dont think they use the same helmet colors as you might I am just going to go guess that your company uses red helmets for probies
Well the first thing i would do is set up a collapes zone and have my first due ladder company set up out of the intersection and set their stick at Alpha and Delta sides of the structure then have my engine company stage at Alpha and Bravo sides and use the deck gun to the burn floor then have the second ladder company stage at Charlie and Delta and have then vent the roof if the fire has not broke through yet.
First in officer should: Take (not pass) Command on something this large. Incoming units need good information. With this much fire water supply will be an issue, that should be addressed in the size up. Staging will also be a problem due to city streets and number of units. Collapse is an issue and would be properly addressed with good staging and initial building information (pre plan?) Exposure protection.
Its not prudent to start search efforts without proper Incident staffing and support.
well if i worked for the owner of the building and i asked him for a lil extra cash and he says no ill be like hey boss u should come down to ur new apartments im seeing some fireworks
LOL!! Digitizer55, Primary search for what? Its a fully involved inferno, you're not going to find anything, not alive anyway. FF safety IS No. 1 though
i would say make it safe enough for primary search and then back off and let it go.. do structure protection on surrounding buildings... firefighter safety is no. 1 importance
well i would get 2 groups with foam if gas leak then 2 or 1 groups to check to see if nobodys inside then 3 more groups outside to make sure fire does not spread out all! then 3 pumper trucks 2 ladder trucks then 2 or 3 trucks with the water canons on top to put out the fire of the out side for more heavy pressure and have EMTS on scene.
What's foam gonna do on a GAS LEAK?? The scenario and the video both call for a defensive attack and lots of GPM's. Raceboy, I'm gonna assume you're NOT a trained firefighter. But I'll give you credit for calling for lots of companies.
i would run and get water nad help save the people if they were still in there and i would help put the fire out
SuperChiann 1 month ago
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achilles6312 2 months ago
Call the cops.
glmike523 3 months ago
pass on comand to higher athority
cooldude813 4 months ago
i would call in for some class b foam agent, and just smother the whole thing
joek0617 4 months ago
did you guys ever do a secondary search?
usmc67able 4 months ago
Take off uniform....mingle with crowd :)
TheM2cp 5 months ago
@TheM2cp lol
achilles6312 2 months ago
Well first I would shit my pants....lol (first you say it then you do it)
firekilller13 5 months ago
Thanks JB
FilmLou 5 months ago
...and an extra truck were called for and responded. The fire was extinguished and the building was declared sound enough to perform some overhaul. Oddly, I, who responded on the second, had been in this store (a specialty lighting and ceiling fan shop) just two days before and remembered the floorplan. The number four side did, ultimately, collapse into the street below.
jbintheville 5 months ago
Interesting to see this as a training scenario, and I applaud the efforts. In case anyone was wondering what the real scenario was, and what tactics were applied, here's a brief summary. The initial responding companies attempted an interior attack, but fire conditions warranted a defensive response. The threat of collapse of the third floor led to the Squrt on the 1-4 corner repositioning outside the collapse zone, which was isolated on the 4 side. The second alarm and an extra engine...
jbintheville 5 months ago
they did a good job i would have put up the 3 ladder for an extra elevated stream but still did a great job good job guys keep up the good work
hotwhlz1 6 months ago
the the pump engine hooked and charged
toxcicity93 6 months ago
in germany is it another :b
MegaKeyboarder 7 months ago
Surround and drown!
RandomTask2008 7 months ago
i would run and scream
BAKreptiles 7 months ago
protect exposures, master stream defensive attack on the structure, the structure isnt going to be saved so keep everyone out of the collapse zone. call for as much mutual aid as possible.
powerstrokedually 7 months ago
Protect exposures, keep everyone & everything out of collapse zone. Here, collapse isn't a question of 'will it happen', but 'when'.
twarrick0831 8 months ago
As IC, I would not initiatiate SAR in fire building. The building is too involved to safely send firefighters in to any floor. I would first evacuate exposures and initiate exposure protection with water curtains and possible interior lines. For the fire building, I would surround and drown. I would call for investigation and possibly initiate a body search if there were any indication building was occupied and if the remains were sound.
smokey1255 9 months ago
if i were OIC of this incident,, i would have a primary search conducted on the first two levels,, when search is done,, surround and drown. but im no chief. this is comming from someone who has been a small town firefighter for 5 years,
ryan125g 9 months ago
in a situation like that if i were the 1st arrivng officer , i would pass command to the next arriving officer of highier rank and have dispatch strike a secondaqnd third alarm.from the way the building is engulfed i would not risk a primary search because of possible structure collasp, and have the on scene safety officer setup a collaspzone. surrondanddrown.
DENNISBURTON50 9 months ago
Unless confirmed victims trapped (risk vs reward) surround and drown baby
Darbalarb1 9 months ago
I would not RISK MY MENS LIFE on Search and Rescue,the first and second floor could Flash over on Me.Chief Does not see what I see,only if I heard screams of People I would RISK it and with a 2 1/2 as a entry line.With no Positive Water Pressure its is suicide.
airsquad1 10 months ago
Complete Defensive attack with Wagon Batteries and Master Streams.Very Heavy Fire load,making sure all rigs and Firefighters are clear of possible building collapse,looks like a brick building.We have Big Time EXPOSURE PROBLEMS,establish a WATER CURTAIN across the street,and next to the involved structure.Radiant Heat could make My EXPOSURES take off,I have enough problems with My fully involved structure.I am Command,and My Engines Captains are East side Operations,West Side Operations,Etc.
airsquad1 10 months ago
Knockdown in 2 mins is awesome on that fire.
PUFCKG 11 months ago
Water tanker? For what? Water wasn't the issue. Large diameter hose is perfect for this fire.
ehurt152 11 months ago
@ehurt152 - The scenario in the description says "hydrants are frozen" Obviously, in the video they were not, but the poster asked for comments on the scenario, not necessarily what is shown in the video.
ArxVirtus 8 months ago
Water tanker? For what? Water wasn't the issue.
ehurt152 11 months ago
The engines are to close to the structure, and it has been said many times, call in tankers, Great job getin' the fire out though. I saw someone put in air drop, this ain't a cali brush fire covering thousands of acres. Its a structure fire in a city, first of all I dont know of any city department that uses "air drops" and secondly heilocopters are mad expensinve never mind the fuel, heard its about 100k for a fire chopper to work for a shift just in fuel.
SuperTuck21 11 months ago
I SEE THAT THE PROBLEM IS WATER VOLUME......AND THE SOLUTION IS WATER TANKERS AND DO NOT FUCKING USE THE SAME HYDRANT LINES......EXPLAIN...ONCE U CONNECT IN A HYDRANT YOU MOST USE ANOTHER HYDRANT CONNECTION THAT IS NOT INVOLVE IN THE SAME LINE...SECOND......THE PROXIMITY OF FIRE ENGINES TO A BURNING BUILDING IS TRULLY DANGEROUS BECAUSE OF A COLAPSE STRUCTURE IS INMINENT. AND THIRD ( WILL BE THE FIRST) BACKUP......THAT S I SEE ON VIDEO......
wmdtaskforce 1 year ago
call in a 5 alarm
firey7d 1 year ago
Call in tankers and if there is any water close(like a river) have a a couple of 6" running up from it with engines every 1000' and get an aerial up and have 2 1/2"s around each side and surround and drown.
LycoValleyRRFan 1 year ago
air drop
grif471 1 year ago
call for a water tanker and ake a wall of water
rockandroll626 1 year ago
Operation: its gonna be one of those days...
Paintballer2200 1 year ago
protect exposure and limit the spread of fire then look at extinguishment with lots and lots of water,
lepernz 1 year ago
As I am not a firefighter I'd get the heck out of the way and let the professionals do their job as they know best.
ScubaTiger 1 year ago
surround and drown
Moonchalice 1 year ago
I could tell it was Lou, KY right from the beginning because of TeleSquirt 21 pulling up and at the end Truck 1 was fully extended over the building....
AlexNAFD 1 year ago
well I'm an EMT, so personally I'd make sure no one was inside, then pull up a picnic chair and let it burn. but odds are I'd have to do some rehab somewhere in the middle. a message to all you hot heads out there. REHAB SAVES LIVES and I do it because I care about my team. all of you are my team. so when you've been in too long come back to me, lemme check you out and get you geared up and ready to go. I don't bite...unless you want me to....
nehari 1 year ago
@nehari LOL win!!! You should have put some Marshmallows, chocolate and gram crackers in your rig. Pull of a chair and ROAST EM! orrrrr hotdogs...
toboe399 1 year ago
@toboe399 hot dogs for sure, maybe some of them mini weenies
nehari 1 year ago
The Hydrants weren't frozen, there were supply lines all over the place and tons of water. wtf are you talking about...
Jordinonline 1 year ago
Put the wet stuff on the red stuff.
TroopahSupah 1 year ago
not roast marshmallows
MaddMax247 1 year ago
Surround and Drown, Defence Style
mcinnis12 1 year ago
surround and drown
hafy12 1 year ago
Call International Rescue
PUFCKG 1 year ago
I would Say fuck that i quite im going home hahahah jk
muhls14 1 year ago
well considering it being a 5 alarm id hope my guys are doing their things right,one mishap could kill many!
jeffgordon524 1 year ago
Call captain hindsight.
aaronkundla 1 year ago 12
strike out a mutral aid.
fireemt2b 1 year ago
Suround and drowned..thats all i'll say..lol
alteredegodave 1 year ago
i thing the dept did great i have never seen a fire put out so quick 2 min it was out.
popingamat 1 year ago 7
@popingamat
Um, it was not put out in 2 mins, the video clip is 2 mins ;)
fyregeek 11 months ago
When the vid starts the 3rd floor is already gone. Life hazered 1am in a commercial is almost nothing. If I was BC and I saw what was there when the vid starts I might make a push depending how long the fire has been going, what the bilding is made of, water supply,and how many units on seen. 1st and 2nd floor seem ok. no smoke pushing out of the windows at first and the 3rd floor has self vented.The BC should not be making any dissions without being there.
intercepter01 1 year ago
call dispatch, and order some food, 'cause its going to be a loooong night :)
hosejockeyFW4 1 year ago
Set up a perimter call tankers in. Set up atleast four aerial ladders and douse from the top.Use master streams to keep fire contained. send in a hoseline with your search team. ventilate the crap out of the building.
geewizartcool 1 year ago
@geewizartcool No one is going in the top floor of that building, maybe not in the building at all. Also, I don't know how long you have been in the service, but recently they have been teaching us not to just start ventilating everything, you have to do it methodically. I'm not trying to sound like a know it all because you may have a shit load more experience than me, just putting in my two cents.
sawebber88 1 year ago
@sawebber88 You're right .
Ventilating indescriminately was not what i meant. What i meant was if your going to do it do it fast and get down. Probably no-one alive anymore . just protect the perimiter and wait for a new parking lot.
geewizartcool 1 year ago
par and protect exposures, watch it burn.
gcgoodman 1 year ago
if i had tankers i would set up a nursing operation have the latter trucks putting out the fire and an engine company to a search.
DeadFrontierMKM60 1 year ago
I'd tell the owner that he should have invested in sprinkler systems when he had the chance.....haha
MrRobReed 1 year ago
Ask spiderman come and save lives XD
ShuffIeHard 1 year ago
Crack the marshmallows out!
rourkeaj 1 year ago
let it burn
TheRadioguy500 1 year ago
Immediately switch to defense, Immediate PAR, deploy line/monitor to the A/D Corner. If enough water supply, use another line for exposures.
weasel103 1 year ago
Protect the exposures and watch out for collapse!
xXTombstoneXx 1 year ago
I'd pass it off to someone else and say "Here you go partner. she's all yours.
slammeddown 1 year ago
i would strick out a 6th alarm lol and get someone to vent the roof or somthing and get more people to fight interior fire while the other ones that where goes to the rehab tent. then if vents and interior dont work strike out another alarm
joshscottharkey 1 year ago
Iam a firefighter from new york and we almost never have a fire so a 5 alarm never happens in our district. So something like this would not occure here.
yagerbombracing 1 year ago
too much fire for a full assault....immediate defensive positions on all fronts, get at least 1 or 2 ladders in to start attacking it from above, and work as many outside angles as possible without putting any manpower in immediate danger or in any areas prone to collapse.
chris71mach1 1 year ago
@chris71mach1
I agree that it is too much for an interior attack. only thing not mentioned is exposure points and of course more strict fire codes...then again that would put us out of business.
Lax024 1 year ago
make it a 10 alarm
Footballarm102 1 year ago
Inform inbound BC too dangerous to do interior thorough search. "Surround & Drown" and/or protect exposures. This from nurse, not FF.
sharppointy1 1 year ago
i would initiate a defense attack and stay one half times the height of the building to avoid collapse i would surround and drown i guess
jaxkillacam 1 year ago
first in does the search, then just empty the clear the building and do the best you can with what you got.
bigBn20102010 1 year ago
@bigBn20102010 I'm not too sure there's going to be a first in with this one...uh...No chance of survival. Surround and drown, wouldn't you say?
kickflipless 1 year ago
Protect the building around it, put a little water on the building on fire to make the on lookers think we are doing something and make sure your men are staying safe and out of the colapse zones.
eng62resc 1 year ago
Towers and Master streams into the structure. Positive pressure and exposure protection crews into tenable areas of extension. Call the world for relief crews and rehab, because it's going to be a long night.
3Engine2 1 year ago
I would let it burn control, cool adjacent building and delete with foam.
Douane89 1 year ago
do what you can with what you got... thats all you can do haha and pray
xxXsledgeXxx 1 year ago
well i just joined the dept. and from the training since it has a hard based shell i would have the ladder trucks shooting the top floors n work the way down as the hose men work there way in ans from the ground up
eric610169 1 year ago
This is in Louisville ,Ky!!
firefighterffd138 1 year ago
@firefighterffd138 You're right! This blaze occurred in Louisville. In this instance, it's used as a training scenario -- not as a news story. Good eye!
FilmLou 1 year ago
@FilmLou Wow I remember seeing this, my dad woke me up and drove me down there. It was amazing, and ever since then I've wanted to be nothing but a firefighter. I'm going into recruit class in 4 months.
AstralDesignsHD 6 months ago
this is a text book surround and drown situation
boyatv 1 year ago
SURROUND AND DROWN. That's what insurance is for.
creepingrevenge 1 year ago
personally I would put out a multi alarm call for every available tanker unit to attend and use their water until the hydrants were cleared
flammabletube 1 year ago
i would do my job and take charge
Dthorn912 1 year ago
call all other units from other counties and attach all the engines to hydrants
rockandroll626 1 year ago
frozen? im guessing due to snow and ice?
000PUMPER000 1 year ago
Limit your water to save the surrounding structures and then wonder WHY I didn't call out sick that morning when I woke up having that feeling " That Something Bad Is Going To Happen Today"!!
dnotae 1 year ago
@unclepoepoe but its limited and hydrants are frozen
ellisfd4821son 1 year ago
@giterdungal they are 911!!!
MrZombiekiller23 1 year ago
i would get all trucks at the fire and make sure that no firefighters go in get all fire trucks hook up to a hydrant near by and get different stations near by to come to the fire mostly pumpers and just get the fire calmed down then there's really no sense of going to only until the fire is knocked down and make sure that the trucks are back a distance unless there's no room but be careful of the fire spreading and the building clasping!
raceboy84u2 1 year ago
I think in this situation all you can do is exposure protection, especially if there is limited water you aren't really gonna make a lot of progress on that. Obviously no one is going inside there.
aenyxx 1 year ago
Where was this taken at?
xxxDeath9572xxx 1 year ago
i would do a def attack with drafting op if all hydrents are out of order.
Captfd100 1 year ago
if i couldnt find a couple of good hydrants close i would use them if not i would set up tanker ops and go defensive protecting my exposeures as best as i can and confine the fire
fdcadet 2 years ago
surround and drown, watch for other nearby building and when out, check for extension in nearby buildings
343HFD 2 years ago
If water were that short w/ frozen hydrants, exposure protection should be your only worries. Right?
crustXcore 2 years ago
Heard something the other day that definitely applies to this one. Our fire chief informed me that our department "has never lost a single lot!" Upon inquiring, he went on to say, "Yeah, the lot is always there when we leave! It might be all thats there, but it is there!"
TheQBCrum18 2 years ago
i would do what you did,nock it down from the out side then go in and get the hot spots and do overhaul,good job from a fellow firefighter
SuperFirefighter9 2 years ago
Agreed with all. Cant risk men with volume of fire. Protect exposures and put out with master streams
Skyhawk240 2 years ago
Fuck going in that. the structure is already lost and looks way too hot. Just drown it
aaronkundla 2 years ago
go to defensive mode....exterior opps...surround and drown...ems command....multiple rit teams....
45LAMAR 2 years ago
surround and drown with as much water as I could throw on it. protect exposures. save life not property.
calgondave 2 years ago
rescue - protect exposures - confine - extinguish
firey7d 2 years ago
I would protect surrounding people and property, try to contain the blaze but I would not risk any person by sending them into that blaze, anyone caught inside would have already met their maker and there is no point in risking two more lives to rescue a corpse. It sounds cold but it is the truth.
Revolutionisnow1 2 years ago
I'd run away after calling a fire brigade, and if know that are not any human being.
ImaRunnigMaN 2 years ago
i would just hit it with master strem. u already lost the place. dont lose a man
Cieslstick 2 years ago
surround and drown and alot of marshmellows
fdny214 2 years ago
burn protect and evac surrounding buildings and then just keep water on it looks to far gone to save
bigdigone 2 years ago
go defensive us as much water as you can pull from the hydrants surround and drown
prfire20 2 years ago
First would get a ine on the front and side of the structure. If I can obtain info of where the central fire is, I woul debate on whether or not to go for an interior attack. If there are any entrapments, I would go for an immediate search and rescue operation. Once everyone is to safety I would focus mainly on containment of the fire. If possible, I would try to vent the fire seeing how large the structure is to allow some of the heat to disipate to make containment easier.
nsrailfann4life91 2 years ago
Pull everyone out, set up large hose lines and ladder pipes and go defensive. Also, set up a collapse zone and let the water flow.
wrfire 2 years ago
Id just let it burn to the ground, but would keep it from spreading to adjacent buildings.
DewbieHaut 2 years ago
Surround and Drown im thinkin. alot of sitting on hoses all night
wrightmachineworks 2 years ago
That is what we call a foundation saver!!
Like most of you have been saying surround and dround the hell out of it!!! that is really all you can do that fire looks to hot to go in to!!! And it is not worth the lives of your guys to save things that can be replaced!!! Stay safe out there!
WGFDENG1 2 years ago
in a situation like the one in the video, i would call for a defensive attack, no interior lines. surround the building and dround the fire completley
farmtruck551 2 years ago
U dont pass Command till that offricer is on scean, dont command blind it is not a good idea
Captfd100 2 years ago
ya i wouldnt be going into search unless the back was still good and the fire was contained to the front. send a couple of attack lines in to get it from behind and have the ladder and cannons puttin it to it from the front. b\But with no view of the back its hard to say
biggamehunterbrad 2 years ago
surround and drown, no need to go in.set up tanker task force with neighbor company's. and like everyone said make a defensive attack and protect property
WEFC43 2 years ago
Set collapse zones, all big lines go to work. Truck Companies use elevated master streams, engines use monitors or deck guns. Keep everyone safe.
rescuemedic96 2 years ago 2
Extreme defensive (outdoor) attack, buidling fully involved, no persons, not worth the lives of firefighters, protect adjacent buildings !!!!!! Fire Chief Charles Mackoviak
cmackoviak 2 years ago 2
being an english firefighter .a fire of this kind would be dealt with .defensive mode ..or transitional .mode ..where two types of firefighting will be in progress ..as we can only see the front of the building..im unable to pass comment on the tactics that would be used ..if transitional was being used at the rear of the building this would involve trying to prevent fire spread etc ..defensive mode being ..used for just covering building with jets etc ..and cooling adjoining properties .
ganreg 2 years ago
louisville fire and rescue each fire house at the most gets a lil pass 3000 runs a year we talking a fire at least once a week mostly more , i ve heard the are bad ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ali3970 2 years ago
I love the shot at 1:40 showing the two Red Hats supervising the FF with a handline. Now THAT'S chain of command :-)
HereFish 2 years ago
It looks like to me that most guys there have red helmets I really dont think they use the same helmet colors as you might I am just going to go guess that your company uses red helmets for probies
maybenextsundAY 2 years ago
@maybenextsundAY
Actually, for us "Red Hats" are Lt or Captain. Seeing two of them "Supervising" a single fire fighter made me smile.
I don know in some larger departments, helmet color can indicate crew type (Truck, Engine, rescue etc) so color may not make sense here.
HereFish 2 years ago
Well the first thing i would do is set up a collapes zone and have my first due ladder company set up out of the intersection and set their stick at Alpha and Delta sides of the structure then have my engine company stage at Alpha and Bravo sides and use the deck gun to the burn floor then have the second ladder company stage at Charlie and Delta and have then vent the roof if the fire has not broke through yet.
sherman161 2 years ago 2
Job was done well with what they had..
kc8yxa 2 years ago
First in officer should: Take (not pass) Command on something this large. Incoming units need good information. With this much fire water supply will be an issue, that should be addressed in the size up. Staging will also be a problem due to city streets and number of units. Collapse is an issue and would be properly addressed with good staging and initial building information (pre plan?) Exposure protection.
Its not prudent to start search efforts without proper Incident staffing and support.
islander238 2 years ago
well if i worked for the owner of the building and i asked him for a lil extra cash and he says no ill be like hey boss u should come down to ur new apartments im seeing some fireworks
MultiShooter123 2 years ago
i would call the building owner and be like ive made some improvements to your building you should come check it out.
Security98 2 years ago 2
first of all it depends where its at. (lets say its in detroit)
downgrade it to a second alarm, or even just a box alarm with an extra engine and platform truck,
(5 alarms isnt necessary for 100x100)
then surround and drown.
dfd6th 2 years ago
figure a good collapse zone and put the wet stuff on the red stuff.... thats a no brainer
93CFD 2 years ago
surround and drown and dont forget my marshmelloews...... she is a gonner
meh7482 2 years ago
I would attempt an interior attack with a garden hose, and an Indian can.
nilzlofgren 2 years ago
Dude that was a pretty lame joke, but i cant stop laughing
msal619 2 years ago
exposure protection.. preserve the water supply you got until some ma arrives
rtw149 2 years ago
Totally surround and drown.............try to keep it in building of origin.
fyrmanjon6207 2 years ago
surround and drown exposure protection keeping as many crews as safley possibel in service just let it burn its a totall loss anyway
BuiltFordTough757 2 years ago
I would set up surround an drown call for lots of mutrulaid protect the exposers and jest put lots of water on it . and jest sit back and wait .
NEfirephotos 2 years ago
Do like they did... A surround and drown operation.
shayshaynj29 2 years ago
well since its way past 60% gone,i would surround and drown.there would be no need to send in a search on something that far gone.
goughson 2 years ago
LOL!! Digitizer55, Primary search for what? Its a fully involved inferno, you're not going to find anything, not alive anyway. FF safety IS No. 1 though
chugnuggets 2 years ago
attempt to flood the building with all we got. aiming for major fires then trying to take out minor parts
bait28 2 years ago
i would say make it safe enough for primary search and then back off and let it go.. do structure protection on surrounding buildings... firefighter safety is no. 1 importance
digitizer55 2 years ago
i agree with 46fd04 im not even a firefighter but my dad was and i have been to scenes like that.
SuperThompson7 2 years ago
Protect the exposures and let it burn.
Rory84 2 years ago
Theres nothing to save except for the surrounding exposures. that building is gone. It would suck to overhaul that huge building.
tghfyc 2 years ago
blitz it with water is about all u can do
TCFD749 2 years ago
Its a surround and drown. Just protect the exposures.
Hannahweber88 2 years ago 2
film lou are u a fireman
MultiShooter123 2 years ago
I'm a firefighter/EMT
FilmLou 2 years ago
in 4 years i am going to join i am 14 right now but i cant wait to join its the best job in the world
halo667946 2 years ago
Been on the job in Toronto Canada for almost 20 years.
The first thing I'd do is get those trucks back further, because those walls are gonna being coming down soon.
I've been to one fire as big as this, and all 4 walls were down within an hour.
46fd04 2 years ago 2
well i would get 2 groups with foam if gas leak then 2 or 1 groups to check to see if nobodys inside then 3 more groups outside to make sure fire does not spread out all! then 3 pumper trucks 2 ladder trucks then 2 or 3 trucks with the water canons on top to put out the fire of the out side for more heavy pressure and have EMTS on scene.
raceboy84u2 2 years ago
What's foam gonna do on a GAS LEAK?? The scenario and the video both call for a defensive attack and lots of GPM's. Raceboy, I'm gonna assume you're NOT a trained firefighter. But I'll give you credit for calling for lots of companies.
ffjsb 2 years ago
Well, someone break out the marsh-mellows.
goingtobeapilot 2 years ago
PUT THE WET STUFF ON THE HOT STUFF DUH!
sebff637 2 years ago
call in a foam unit in case of a gas leak inside the blaze
smarrtster239 2 years ago
get a couple engine co''s on its tail and screw the search
smarrtster239 2 years ago
surround and drown, get tankers from other companies and unleash the blitz fire. fuck the search, whatever is in there is toasted.
maxwalsh92 2 years ago
Also you need to be ready for structure colapse, so have your colapse zone established.
Zyhver 2 years ago
suround a drown. texas rarely has frozen hydrents XD.
thecatyoukai 2 years ago
lay down in the middle of the road sucking my thumb, and get off the rest of my career on disability and play golf every day...
CTFD13 2 years ago 2
and you are a disgrace to the firefighting community. get off the rigs and into theripy!
thecatyoukai 2 years ago
anyone ever hear of a sense of humor? i guess you would have to know the guy i know to get it.
CTFD13 2 years ago 2
i would surround and drown but if hydrants are frozen mutial aid for tenders bring as many as possible
bpw110 2 years ago