My Pro-Life Commercial

[HowardSternn]

%43 of abortions are because of Rape and Incest

[SuburbiaSurvivor]

@HowardSternn Yeah, and 67% of statistics are made up on the spot.

[HowardSternn]

@SuburbiaSurvivor Well i Heard a Pro-Lifer say that 90% of Pregnancies with Autism and Down Syndrome will be Aborted i Guess those Stats must be Made up as Well.

[SuburbiaSurvivor]

@HowardSternn Who knows? Maybe they made it up. Maybe they had a study to back it up. The statement "43% of abortions are because of rape and incest" has no study to back it up.

[gegele40]

getting an abortion =/= clicking a button. Wow.

[4smartypants]

So great!!! I love it! You are very talented!

[Noahedwinbeach2]

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[ihsxps]

Of course it shouldn't be. But do you really think it ever is?

[caffeinequeen89]

I wish people knew the facts before they spoke.

You did good, hon, making this :)

[FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7]

@isafos woman had sex, it doesn't matter if the contraception failed. it doesn't matter if it's a 1 in a trillion chance to get knocked up. the woman know the risks when she opened her legs.

[FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7]

@isafos then the mother need to keep her legs closed

[ex0rdium]

@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 what if she was raped? you'd probably just think she was asking for it.

[FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7]

@ex0rdium why do pro-aborts result to that logic. i never said anything about rape. if she has sex she needs to deal with it.

[Linosaurr]

@ex0rdium But do you realize that only .3% (of all abortions) of women get their child aborted because of Rape? 1.7% is due to the life of mother or child. And the REST (98%) are due to unwanted or inconvenient. I would like to ask you, what if your mum was pro-choice? Would you still be here?

[bmxrox168]

@ex0rdium If pro-lifers agreed to all of the clauses involving rape/incest or medical necessity would you then agree that all of the other abortions should be illegal? If not..then why even bother asking the question about rape?

[ex0rdium]

@bmxrox168 but why would you agree to something like that? Why does it matter if it's conceived from rape or incest, isn't it still morally wrong (in your view) to kill it?

[bmxrox168]

@ex0rdium Is that what you think? That it is morally wrong to kill "it" regardless of how it was conceived? Can we play the Socratic game for the rest of our argument? Will you not answer any questions with anything other than questions? Can that even be considered a discussion? Do you plan on doing this with everything? Do you think I will be annoyed? Do you think I care? Do you want to continue a discussion?

[bmxrox168]

@ex0rdium On a more serious note. The question is obviously hypothetical. It is intended to point out a primary flaw..referring to rare cases as though they were the rule, rather than the exception is being dishonest. I personally feel that abortion is only warranted within the means of self-defense, i/e the mother is in danger of dying during childbirth. That is the only instance I would logically accept the killing of another human being...self defense.

[HZayed6]

it would be a good commercial. its interesting, and i liked it.

but i disagree with ur pov.

[guitarman8300]

this is soo true

[DHFHades]

I am 100% pro choice, BUT, I do not think abortion should be used as birth control. there are circumstances that abortion should be mandatory, like rape and incest, beyond that it should be available but discouraged. and as far as the hardcore prolifers go, stop blowing up abortion doctors, you're only invalidating your own argument.

[asblue91]

"there are circumstances that abortion should be mandatory" I hope you just misused your words, because abortion should NEVER be mandatory. Forcing someone to abort is just as bad as forcing someone to give birth.

[cemaragan]

lol, I'm sorry, but I found that very cute, regardless of my position on abortion :)

[efatarocks]

yes, asblue, no one wants an abortion but they still put themselves into situations that will get them pregnant and thus need an abortion

[poetryofimage]

With all kinds of resources and even charity available to struggling single parents, not to mention adoption agencies for those that don't want to raise a baby, no one needs an abortion.

[efatarocks]

yea, there are Crisis Pregnancy Centers that will give you baby clothes and such for free

[asblue91]

"no one needs an abortion."

They do if you just don't want to go through nine months or pregnancy and then the birthing process.

[poetryofimage]

Many abortions still involve "birthing" the corpse, taking labor-inducing drugs, and delivery by a physician. The only difference with live birth is that the mother can wake up to a breathing, swaddled, nursing babe, or she can abort and live with the painful memory of her child being torn and shredded then stuffed in a bio-hazard bag.

[asblue91]

" The only difference with live birth is that the mother can wake up to a breathing, swaddled, nursing babe, or she can abort and live with the painful memory of her child being torn and shredded then stuffed in a bio-hazard bag."

If you think that is the only difference between giving birth and abortion, you need to do more research before you speak. Giving birth is 1000x harder, and any pro-choicer OR pro-lifer will tell you that. & p.s it's not always a painful memory for every woman.

[asblue91]

"no one wants an abortion but they still put themselves into situations that will get them pregnant and thus need an abortion"

Correct.

[efatarocks]

I still don't support it. No child should have to pay the ultimate price because of their parents

[asblue91]

"No child should have to pay the ultimate price because of their parents"

You act like the child cares. Besides, death is far from the ultimate price. There are things far worse than death. If you are young, you will learn that with maturity. If you are an adult, I would hope you would know that by now.

[efatarocks]

The child does care, because they can't voice it doesn't mean they don't. I care about the war, just because I don't voice it doesn't mean I don't

I know, like some of the things I've been through are worse than death but being killed before you can even take your first breath of air is really terrible

[asblue91]

"The child does care, because they can't voice it doesn't mean they don't."It has nothing to do with voicing their opinions as they cannot physically have opinions without a brain that is functional.

"being killed before you can even take your first breath of air is really terrible" Yes, but a woman loosing her bodily rights is a far worse alternative in my book. I'd take the death of a fetus over the loss of my rights. I'd take the loss of my rights before a BORN human, but a fetus? No.

[efatarocks]

since when do the "bodily rights of women" extend to someone that is not a aprt of their body. The child and the woman are connected only by the umbilical cord, that doesn't mean the baby is a body part.

Body parts are connected and the brain can control them, your brain could not control your unborn child

[asblue91]

The fetus is not apart of the woman's body. The fetus is within her body. You are not providing me with information I did not already know.

[efatarocks]

what I meant was you have power over your body but you do not have the rights over anothers, this means that the woman has no right over whether her child dies or not

[asblue91]

"you do not have the rights over anothers"

Exactly. So explain why a fetus has the right to use my body without my permission. According to you, the fetus does not have rights over my body. And don't even try to tell me that by engaging in sex, I gave permission for it to be there because that is utter nonsense. You've just helped me prove my point.

[efatarocks]

There is a difference between 9 months and murder. No woman has a right to decide the life or death of her child.

You can control your choices but you CANNOT control the consequences of those choices

[asblue91]

"There is a difference between 9 months and murder" Right... One is a period of time, the other is an action. "No woman has a right to decide the life or death of her child." But she has the right to remove one from her womb, resulting in it's death. Her bodily rights come before a fetus's right to live. "you CANNOT control the consequences of those choices" Yes you can. It's called taking responsibility and doing what is best, instead of just giving birth and dumping it in foster care.

[efatarocks]

Yes, the period of time won't leave you depressed, possibly sterile or dead.

So, you say that a woman a kill her child asl nog as she doesn't want him ro her?

Since when is death better than life? I'll admit life sucks sometime and gets really complicated (you should hear my testimony) but for the good things in life, it's still worth living

[asblue91]

"So, you say that a woman a kill her child asl nog as she doesn't want him ro her?" Nope. Never said that. No one can kill a child. Only a fetus. "Since when is death better than life?" I'd ask a person who has tried to commit suicide. "it's still worth living" Again, talk to a suicidal person.

[efatarocks]

What is the difference between a child and a fetus?

I've been suicidal before. Life, while it sucks sometimes, is not better than death.

thanks, by the way, I've argued with people who don't know good arguments for pro-choice. At least you're informed :)

[asblue91]

A child is self aware, has dreams, friends, and has a passion to live. A fetus does not even recognize that it is alive. Most importantly, a fetus depends on another source for survival, and is in a parasitic relationship because of this.

& You're welcome :) I try.

[efatarocks]

so, abortion is ok, in your opinion, because the child is completely dependant on his or her mother?

[asblue91]

That is in fact, one of the largest most significant factors that makes me pro-choice.

[efatarocks]

by that logic, say I have a 2 year old with me. Does this mean I could kill her because she depends on me completely?

[asblue91]

"Does this mean I could kill her because she depends on me completely?"

She does not depend on you completely. YOU do not HAVE to be the one to give her food, you don't HAVE to be the one to potty train her. It may be your job, but another can easily fill in for you. She does depend on you, but not COMPLETELY. A fetus does depend on it's mother completely. No one else can shelter it, no one else can feed it, no one else can keep it safe. That is what "completely" dependent means.

[efatarocks]

what about the people in the hospital on life support? they depend solely on the machines and doctors there and they cannot be moved to depend on some other hospital

[asblue91]

"what about the people in the hospital on life support?" I don't think that they should die simply based on the fact that they are dependent on these machines, as a fetus is dependent on it's mother. However, I would never force someone to become the doctor taking care of them. Just as I would never force a woman to take care of (keep) the fetus. If a person becomes a doctor it is there job to take care of this person, but I'd never force them to become that doctor.

[asblue91]

Those on life support, I might add, are not inside the body of another.

[efatarocks]

yes, but they are still totally dependant on the machines they are attached to and the doctors that are taking care of them and they are taking the money of the family that put them there

[asblue91]

Uhh, yeah exactly. See the doctors WANT to help them and keep them on the machines.

[efatarocks]

still, by your logic the doctors or the family could just take them off life supprot anytime they want whether they're getting better or not.

what I'm trying to get at here is that dependancy doesn't make us less human, dependancy is one of the things that makes us human.

[asblue91]

"by your logic the doctors or family could take them off life supprot anytime they want whether they're getting better or not" You cannot kill someone SIMPLY because it is dependent. There is no need to take them off life support. (If there was a need though, I'd be ok with it) With a fetus however, it is dependent on the woman and additionally harmful to her physically and mentally. Both are dependent but:

Why kill someone on life support? No reason. Why abort a fetus? Many reasons.

[efatarocks]

You just said that what separates a fetus from any other human is that they are completely dependant on their mother like infants are

How is the natural process of pregnancy harmful to the mother both mentally and physically?

Many Reasons? so you think abortion is a harmless form of birth control to be used whenever there is need of it?

[efatarocks]

also, I'd like to add, that if I had an infant then, by what you say I could kill him because he's totally dependant on me. I know I don't HAVE to take care of him but if I didn't want to "burden" other people with his dependancy I could just kill him

[blackrose3226]

fetuses are completely depended on the mothers body for survival. newborns, children, people on life support are all physically independent and socially dependent on others. why i say socially dependent, i mean that they no longer solely rely on the body of a single life form for survival; their bodies grow and develop on their own.

[jianniestrong]

my sister think twice when she had hers an she didnt do it just once are twice

[asblue91]

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

[asblue91]

It should ALWAYS be that easy.

[DarkMewX]

Inspiring 5/5 I would never ever ever get a Wife that wants to abort a baby!!!

[asblue91]

"I would never ever ever get a Wife that wants to abort a baby!!!"

FYI, no one WANTS an abortion. Educate yourself- then respond.

[H89D07]

Then tell me...why do they get them? Please, educate us all!

[asblue91]

They get them because they don't want to give birth, and if they are already pregnant, abortion is the only option. They don't want the abortion, they just want the effects of it. But unfortunately, you can't have one without the other. Unless you miscarry, of course.

[poetryofimage]

Abortion is the only option because side effects like a dead baby, breast cancer, sterility, depression, and suicide makes abortion so appealing. Oh, and no one has invented anything like adoption yet. More taboo subjects feminists want to keep women ignorant about.

[asblue91]

"More taboo subjects feminists want to keep women ignorant about." That has to be the most idiotic statement I have ever heard.

Let me make something clear about feminists now so that you never forget it:

FEMINISTS DO NOT WANT WOMEN TO ABORT.

FEMINISTS WANT WOMEN TO DO WHAT WILL MAKE THEM HAPPIEST. If that is abortion, so be it, if that is adoption or motherhood, so be it. I am a feminist, and I want a women to choose whatever is best for her.