Hospice TLM 103 / SM7B Shoot-out

[IAMSTIMULUS]

wtf

[TheEasternStandard]

If you have have disliked this video, chances are you have never mixed music or you only have experience engineering one specific genre. I don't mind if you don't care for the music, but the production is quite beautiful. You know, I hate the shit out of Kesha, but her producer busted his ass to make a dirty crackwhore sound listenable.

This is some pretty good hardcore done VERY well.

[maximus0fficial]

WHAT PREAMP DO YOU USE?

[coldthrn]

@maximus0fficial It was just a stock MOTU 896HD.

[maximus0fficial]

@coldthrn thank you ill give it a check, sounds awesome, did you double track it?

[coldthrn]

@maximus0fficial Yea its doubled and on some parts quad. Updated with the shootout at :25.

[SrPicuinhas]

Aaahhh! Sweet melody...

[Jordank72792]

i came to see a mic shoot out and get this bullshit plus its the same damn guitar sound on every one of these kinda songs not to add the same fuckin yelling over it lmao how do ppl listen to this shit

[coldthrn]

@Jordank72792 Sorry if this isnt your kind of music, I did however updated with the shootout at :25 check it out if you interested.

[jaikwillis]

how is it a shootout if you only use one of the mics?

[coldthrn]

@jaikwillis however Good point. Updated with the shootout at :25.

[vsguitarist]

This is amazing! Whats up with all the dislikes??

[GanjaCityStudio]

wtf!!!

[anatol1204]

very romantic music..

[TedDidlio]

Hahahahahahaha why were these cockmouths talkin shit about this?  Fucking great track and fucking gnarly tracks. Casey's got a demon in his throat.

[frettiss420]

i like it :D

[PvmSplat]

good shit! guitar guy isnt the best tho. change him and u got urself an awesome band.

[novanine9]

Is there an a and b comparison of the same tracks?

Thanks

[coldthrn]

@novanine9  Updated with the shootout at :25.

[novanine9]

@coldthrn - Thanks for the update!

Very revealing and concise shootout...great vocal treatment.

Keep up the good music

[BenShotts]

Come on dude you can use a best buy brand mic to record screaming. 

[TheNozferatu]

Great job on the recording man, what kind of pre amp do you use? I am a fan of both the sm7 and the TLM 103 and the 103 sounds great for this vocal. Did you end up using the sm7 or 103 on the actual song?

[coldthrn]

@TheNozferatu Updated with the shootout at :25. 

[jeremiechampagne]

Damnnn itss sooo Gooooddddddd

[peterm3964]

with screamo you are wasting your crack money on anything other thana sm57 . 

[NazirioCuzim]

the most retarded music i'll ever listen to some BSing mayne.......

[slash5155]

what interface and preamps do u use?

[parkerbrothersmusic]

wow... WAY too much autotune... haha :p - Great screams man. I usually don't like them but you're one of the better screamers I've heard.

[DjScout]

im thinkin about gettin a sm7, just cuz the dynamic capsule should supposedly handle higher spl like screaming.. do you think i should just hold out for a tlm?

[coldthrn]

@DjScout Really, the SM7 is the way to go because its cheaper and has a SPL rating of 180db. However the TLM as a SPL rating of 138db. Ether are fine to give a comparison, a jack hammer at 1m produces about 100db.

[DjScout]

@coldthrn good to know man! i also hear they kill on Snare drums.. im excited to get one

[triclops8]

But what´s about a shoot-out when you just show the TLM 103 to be listened to?!

[coldthrn]

@triclops8 Yea thats true, I need to flip between the audio on them. Ill work on that a bit later.

[FTE666]

@triclops8 its NOT a shootout. lol =D

[triclops8]

@FTE666 I´m afraid you´re right :-)

[coldthrn]

@FTE666 Updated with the shootout at :25.

[coldthrn]

@triclops8 Updated with the shootout at :25. 

[bringbackhipv]

Fucking dirty screams. I love it. I have so much trouble processing screams. Any suggestions?

[ghaibboy]

i didnt know which one is SM7B and which one is TLM 103 ??

anyone ?

[coldthrn]

@ghaibboy Updated with the shootout at :25.

[concussedcarneous]

fuck deathcore

[coldthrn]

So I didn't mean to del Celticpsalm's comment but had difficulties replying and accidently remove the comment it stated. “you can't sing and your demons can't either. You are using nice mics though."

I wish youtube would let me type more than 500 characters. :(

[paben101]

wish i could shell out the money for this mic :(

[fabiolusfabio]

Nice sound but shitty music.

[REALCougarsRmales]

This is what the big bang must have sounded like. Awesome.

[kevaso]

Great recording. But where can we here the 7B?

[coldthrn]

@kevaso Updated with the shootout at :25.

[natea792]

Take it easy on heygetalifemoron. I agree that screaming isn't very musical, and although it does take some degree of skill, that doesn't mean it sounds good. "Good music" is subjective, but I don't really understand the point of a screaming vocal when it's hard to understand the lyrics, and it's a turn off for many people compared to a regular hardcore/metal vocal. It's a nice mic, by the way, and a good performance. Im a fan of the mojave ma200 as well, similar price, great on acoustic and vox

[coldthrn]

Drums overheads are real, other drums are replaced. Guitars are a 6505+ and a dual recto through a Mesa 4x12. Thanks for the kind words.

[EarthLifeSystem1]

Pretty snappy. Good job on the vox man. Great mix. Pretty cool song. Love the 103, hope to be able to afford one when I sell one of my kidneys. Virtual guitars amps and drums or miced?

[BASBERT]

compressed to shit this mic actually sounds awesome! would do some more cutting on the mids/lowmids to avoid that boxy sound you're getting.

[Anightinvegas]

this is sick as fuck im thinking of buying this mic to get some decent screamo vocals thanks for the demo bro

[chibisven]

oh wow, holy crap did I ever not see that coming. Most mic shootouts are just guys talking or something, this made me jump a bit

[TheEasternStandard]

Great job compressing here man. What preamps do you use and what's your input hardware?

How did this match up against the SM7? I'm an SM7 man all the way, but this track sounds pretty killer.

[coldthrn]

@TheEasternStandard Preamps and interface believe it or not is a MOTU896HD

The SM7 was a bit muffled but I forgot to take the wind guard off so it really isn't fair. One of these days Ill get the comparison up for every one.

[coldthrn]

@TheEasternStandard Updated with the shootout at :25.

[TheEasternStandard]

@coldthrn You couldn't have gotten a better vocal either way. The 7b emphasizes that big compression, but your choice of the TLM, given your settings was a much better choice. WAY more low end and definition. I think this might be the first time I've ever voted against the 7B. But again, it could be your settings. I own both, and for any strong vox I go with the Shure. Well done regardless.

[ufospaziale]

idiot !!!!!

[tonygunz21]

Good results, did you use hardware compressors, software, or both? Which comps are you liking the best?

[coldthrn]

@tonygunz21 Just software comps, lots of blockfish and some Waves comps.

[riverofchains]

damn man that's actually really good. with that voice though you definitely need more tats.

[krishotsaucemiller]

Fucking stupid!!!!!!

[heygetalifemoron]

OMG---what a buncha bullshit....what horror movie is this crap? this is what happens when kids can't sing---they fukin scream...

[coldthrn]

@heygetalifemoron Grandpa the internet isn't for you. Go soak your dentures and turn on some Lawrence Welk show.

[imperialpod]

@coldthrn

LOL, well I don't know about grandpa, but after listening to this, I think you better have the Lockets and I'll have the Peptobismol.

[LRC6A]

@heygetalifemoron STFU-this is what happens when something things growling and screaming correctly doesn't take skill. I want to see you do so and not getting hurt. This band kicks ass BTW (:

[hammersmashedhead]

@heygetalifemoron Shut the fuck up

[DimisWargame]

@heygetalifemoron shut the fuck up

[concussedcarneous]

@heygetalifemoron HAHA no man he's just a deathcore geek wigger

[mouthpee]

this wicked man

This is what I like to hear

[deadendkid1968]

Why bother with the TLM103...the SM7 is the perfect mic for this vocal.

[2ooDamnFly]

@deadendkid1968 the TLM 103 is the heat

[deadendkid1968]

@2ooDamnFly ...LOL the TLM103 isnt half the Mic of many offerings at $600...Neumann has a far better TLM102...Shure KSM32 and KSM44 are also better and the top Mic under $3000 new is the AT4047...dont be so enamored by a Neumann badge...especially when its the bottom of the barrel for that brand...you are just paying for a name with that one.

[2ooDamnFly]

@deadendkid1968 if i had to pick a name to pay for, it would be neumann lol

[DaCapo2010]

TLM103 sounds so good but expensive tho.

[2ooDamnFly]

@DaCapo2010 if you want quality you got to pay for it. i did several times over

[hanna4807]

thanks, were can i download this song? its sounds good! ^_^

[hanna4807]

what's the title of the song???

[coldthrn]

Retribution.

[Derpasherpala]

Alright here is the broadest hardest to answer question. What do you feel is the most important part about recording screaming vocals like this, other than of course the screamer himself. With the vocalist for my band, its always hit and miss. We've gotten some great sounds in the past, but never constantly. How do you have such a bitchin vocal sound!?

[coldthrn]

There are acouple of things I do.

1. Compression is essential. I compress pretty hard using different compressors. All of them doing a slight 2:1 . It adds up to about a 6:1 or 9:1 ratio depending on how many compressors I have.

2. Distance from the mic. If you look at the video and pop screen and how close he is getting it is optimal for heavy vox.

Hope this helps.

[Derpasherpala]

Yeah definitely. I never thought of stacking compressors like that before. What is the reason you do it? Just to obtain the different colors of all the different compressors? Where do you usually have the attack?

I always had my screamer stand far away from the mic because the first thing we ever recorded with was an i5, and that would always have some crazy low mid build-up, so even with a condenser I had him stand far away. This led to some thin vocals. I'm excited to try this out! Thanks!

[jokel05]

this band is fuckin awsome i hope you could have an album...we r a big fan,,,

[EvvyThomas]

Cool to hear some heavy vox through the Neumann 103. I ordered mine a couple days ago and was hoping for a good clean sound for loud vocals. Sounds great to me...  Does the acoustic treatment directly behind the mic help much?

[coldthrn]

It helps a bit. Keeps things really dry.

[EvvyThomas]

For just loud vox or do you use it consistently?

[hershdogg07]

wooooo god damn that sounds brutal as hell