I agree with Cornette 99% of the time, but I have to disagree with his total condemnation of hardcore wrestling for the simple reason that it often brings to public attention guys like Kasai Jun, Ryuji Ito, Danny Havoc, the Necro Butcher and Sami Callihan who most definitely CAN work, but who lack the steroids physique.
As for pain pills, I guarantee that it isn't the bloody injuries that necessitate most of them... more likely the leg and spinal injuries that occur in all wrestling.
I agree with Cornette 99% of the time, but I have to disagree with his total condemnation of hardcore wrestling for the simple reason that it often brings to public attention guys like Kasai Jun, Ryuji Ito, Danny Havoc, the Necro Butcher and Sami Callihan who most definitely CAN work, but who lack the steroids physique.
As for pain pills, I guarantee that it isn't the bloody injuries that necessitate most of them... more likely the leg and spinal injuries that occur in all wrestling.
I agree with Cornette 99% of the time, but I have to disagree with his total condemnation of hardcore wrestling for the simple reason that it often brings to public attention guys like Kasai Jun, Ryuji Ito, Danny Havoc, the Necro Butcher and Sami Callihan who most definitely CAN work, but who lack the steroids physique.
As for pain pills, I guarantee that it isn't the bloody injuries that necessitate most of them... more likely the leg and spinal injuries that occur in all wrestling.
Well he forgets about injuries and the toll wrestling has on your body. Steroids can help with that and there is nothing wrong with them as long as they are used responsible by someone who is educated about what they are and do with your body. Abuse (which is what 99.9% do) is a different story however.
Similar things go for painkillers, some NSAIDs to help with an injured body part is great for recovery.
amen about the hardcore stuff, its ok in moderation (like foley, and i do like old school ecw, but there was more than just the hardcore stuff) but companies like CZW just take it too far
I don't really agree with Cornette on much, but he's dead on about hardcore wrestling and drugs. I'm glad I listened to this because for the first time in 20 years I've respected Jim Cornette's opinion.
When I was a kid I remember when the Perfect-Plex (Fisherman Suplex) would give you the 1-2-3-. With wrestling now days a move like that looks weak and a wrestler has to use an extravagant finisher to woo the crown. Now you can't have opinions on current talent without having fellow fans cussing and you and telling you to "go fuck your mother".
I miss the glory days, Sure it was family friendly but it wasn't about money and wrestlers never broke kayfabe and stayed in their gimmicks.
perfect example of Jim's point on hardcore wrestling (without using anything really hardcore): Ladder matches. Look at the glut of ladders in the Money In the Bank matches now, and the huge bumps guys take off of them, and then go back and try to impress somebody with Shawn Michaels hitting Razor Ramon with a simple flying body splash off of a ladder. What used to be spectacular (and Match of the Year worthy), is now so sub-par that it would actually qualify as dull and boring.
Why is he telling people to get a tan? Tanning does to your skin what smoking does to your lungs. It's debatable how many deaths can be directly attributed to steroids, but burning your skin is very likely to cause cancer.
Jim criticizes hardcore wrestling, but he likes Abdullah the Butcher and Mick Foley, who got famous because of hardcore wrestling and not having a lot of skill or athleticism.
@spinemelter2000 They may not have athleticism, but skill is a whole other issue. Foley is able to wrestle, speak, and work his ass off; he doesn't need to rely solely on the hardcore element because it just adds an edgy element to his work instead of being the main thing. Abdullah was able to sell himself as a believable brawler who could (despite being so out of shape) still work; furthermore, he's been able to sell his character as a monster so convincingly over the past forty years.
@spinemelter2000 Foley was actually incredibly skilled and very talented, which made up for his lack of physical athleticism.
Cornette is criticizing hardcore wrestling because it's overdone. Foley's greatest spots were few and far between, they were staged apart so each time would be special. It was so overdone it became boring.
@DevilTakeMe I like Mick Foley because he has so many qualities that make him a great entertainer. Plus I have to admire his courage and passion. I can't stress that enough. But I haven't seen any great wrestling matches from him. He's taken sick bumps and is OK in a non-hardcore match when he has an opponent like Kurt Angle. But I just see his matches, and he doesn't deliver any convincing offensive moves. If you can name any match that proves me wrong, I'd like to see it.
@spinemelter2000 Once again, not an athlete, so he did have limitations. His offense was more brawling, which gave his matches more of a gritty feel (which easily transitioned into the "hardcore/extreme" style as you mentioned). But I always felt it made the tension better, since he always sold his opponent's offense so well, and his own offense (standard brawling fare - kicks, punches, clotheslines, etc.) was easy to sell, and he made a lot of guys look great.
WWE screwed Nick Dinsmore, pretty much. Nick had all the talent in the world, but because WWE has to be a fucking dog and pony show, Nick felt he needed to demean himself and lower his credibility as a wrestler in order to get into the spotlight. At least now he's training prospects in Ohio Valley Wrestling, and teaching young prospects the CORRECT way to wrestle instead of how to be a Sports Entertainer.
I don't know about his first run with the company but Dinsmore fucked himself during his second stint with the company eventhough Randy Orton pulled strings to get him back into the company.
I remember that truck stop show. It was the first time I had seen that type of stuff done in the US outside of ECW, and pro wrestling illustrated gave it a bunch of coverage. It was so absurd to see that show talked about because it was just a regular, old school wrestling event. Then you got Ian and Pondo on top doing their blood letter thing. It was just surreal.
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I didn't know Jim Cornette did drugs. It makes sense though, because he's always talked so fast that you'd wonder if he was on cocaine. I hope he gets rehab, because he's been gone from wrestling so long and he should go back and be manager in WWF. I remember he was really good with that fat Japanese sumo wrestler dude.
@TheSexyCanuck I'm surprised he doesn't smoke pot all day just so he doesn't get mad about everything going on around him. By the way the "fat sumo wrestler dude" you're thinking of is Yokozuna.
I think hardcore has its place, I mean, table bumps can be pretty impressive, and they aren't dangerous at all. But there comes a time when it gets a little ridiculous, so they should be used as a spice, not the whole meal.
Nothing to do with guts. It's Vince's company so he can do what the fuck he likes. There's no right or wrong way.
It isn't a multi-million dollar company for no reason. Vince took it to a different level and obviously succeeded (although the business as of right now is stale).
I agree with Cornette 100 percent. I don't like wrestling today cause there are no personalities like the Rhodes, The Butcher, The Missing Link, Foley etc. Everybody look stupid with all the muscles and none of them are really talented. It is so damn cartoon today it is pathetic! No good scripts anymore that made me, as a child, believe the stories. I love when for example they had the bounty hunter concept where a wrestler hires someone to injure an enemy. Nowadays the stories are stupid.
@WeNeedSomeGolfShoes yeah I have seen many poor imitations of ECW. These promoters don't realize you can't duplicate the success ECW had cause it was a different time and a different movement. ACW in Texas is a example of this. the fat loser who runs it thinks himself a hardcore fighter but is a place cheap imitation.
@WeNeedSomeGolfShoes well the hardcore thing was cool and inventive when it came around in 96 or 97 but by 2000 it had all but exhausted its tricks. I won't say it was never exciting but its a flame that blew out in the wind rather quickly. now used as a tool by dudes who can't wrestle worth a nickel. extreme was exciting when used in a low dosage I guess you can say.
@WeNeedSomeGolfShoes just go catch great indy wrestling to see my point.. you'll see wrestling as it is and it won't bore you and if your are bored by it well then obviously you were never a true fan to begin with.
@WeNeedSomeGolfShoes not sure what point you were making but I never stated wrestling go to the 50's since nobody wants to see that but basic wrestling as it is. just the excitement, tempo and organic realism it created without hardcore retards and muscle men getting in the way
Cornette gets it right again.. enough of these faggot mcmahons and their obsession with muscles and these fat dumb idiots that expose themselves to hardcore wrestling its time we go back to the original formula. basic wrestling
He makes some good points but all heyman and people from japan or where ever were trying to do was make the wrestling business different it had gotten stale in the early 90s and all they did was try something different and it was great....for a little while at least.jim cornette is just a stubborn purist. the reason why the wrestling business sucks now is because theres just a lack of effort by the wwe and tna and the indys. the business sucks now because theres a lack of creativity.
Its sad bc I remember when Nick Dinsmore was still in OVW.I remember when he went against Benoit in 2000 in a near 30 minute pure wrestling match.It was awesome and I read the article and saw the pics.I couldnt wait to see him appear on smackdown against guys like Angle,Guerrero Austin,etc.The came Eugene.wtf is with WWE
EcW was hardcore but not ultravoilet. ECw had hardcore yes had technical yes yes had controversary yes had luche libre. But Czw is just trying to out do ecw and like cornette says czw mutilates themselves disgusting ly. how do you expect to continue a career wrestling all crazy? I rather watch czw then wwe but I dnt watch either one
@v73k1 I agree CZW is nothing but a public lynching set to wrestling and that's where I think all these Hardcore wrestling federations fail,they just just do hardcore wrestling and it becomes played out,no psychology,at least with ECW along with Hardcore wrestling you had great wrestlers and interesting storylines and personalities,I mean look at all the matches featuring 2 cold Scorpio,Chris Benoit,Dean Malenko,Eddie Guerrero,Psychosis and Rey Misterio,they put on five star matches in ECW!!!
wrestling fans ride the waves, there was a hardcore division in wwf/wwe so vince saw some nitch for it, but remember the lucha libre on ecw when that left they lost there luster, hell in the cell was the greatest hardcore concept where did that come from? tlc, now money in the bank is to set the new hardcore standard with all the new pups and old dogs jumping off shit to create a buzz for themselves and to get our attention.
cornette i have to admit makes alot of good points about hardcore wrestling dont get me wrong ecw was really somthing to behold giving guys like tazz, dreamer, rvd, and raven their break but now we are seeing the backlash of that style
@vio2112 absolutely correct on many points. Corny is the essential authority on pro wrestling. His knowledge on wrestling goes back to George Hackenschmidt and Farmer Burns and he has finger on the pulse of wrestling today.
In OVW, Damaja and Doug Basham were phenomenal. But they were thrown in as guys in JBL's Cabinet, and that killed any chance of stardom. No promo work, and no chance for them to be over with the crowd. Sad!
@patg316 Yeah, also instead of calling Nick Dinsmore up who was at the top of Cornette's top 20 list to get called up to WWE, they pick the bottom 3: Orlando Jordan who sucked, Mark Jindrak who had a good physique and a good drop kick but that was about it, and Sean O'Haire who had a shitload of potential but didn't really care and had a rotten match with Eddie Guerrero (if you can believe that). Trust me in 5 years, pro wrestling will go into the shitter completely.
@patg316 linda miles and nidia were other victims of laurinaitis and mcmahon scheming. they hated natural athletes cause they wanted freaks and bodybuilders with no charisma and talent. eugene was over in two weeks and that was all him not the company.
@patg316 They had a good start in WWE when they we're on their own and were great on their own, until either late 2004 or 2005, They turn them into Bradshaw's stooges, which took away their chance to become a big name tag team.
WWE fucked up big time with Doug Basham, too by having him go to a Raw taping (still training at OVW at the time) and having his head shaved balled. Damn near killed all of his drawing power and heat, too. Cornette used him as a top heel and was PISSED.
jim cornette is the man
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I agree with Cornette 99% of the time, but I have to disagree with his total condemnation of hardcore wrestling for the simple reason that it often brings to public attention guys like Kasai Jun, Ryuji Ito, Danny Havoc, the Necro Butcher and Sami Callihan who most definitely CAN work, but who lack the steroids physique.
As for pain pills, I guarantee that it isn't the bloody injuries that necessitate most of them... more likely the leg and spinal injuries that occur in all wrestling.
Barmyandlight 1 week ago
I agree with Cornette 99% of the time, but I have to disagree with his total condemnation of hardcore wrestling for the simple reason that it often brings to public attention guys like Kasai Jun, Ryuji Ito, Danny Havoc, the Necro Butcher and Sami Callihan who most definitely CAN work, but who lack the steroids physique.
As for pain pills, I guarantee that it isn't the bloody injuries that necessitate most of them... more likely the leg and spinal injuries that occur in all wrestling.
Barmyandlight 1 week ago
I agree with Cornette 99% of the time, but I have to disagree with his total condemnation of hardcore wrestling for the simple reason that it often brings to public attention guys like Kasai Jun, Ryuji Ito, Danny Havoc, the Necro Butcher and Sami Callihan who most definitely CAN work, but who lack the steroids physique.
As for pain pills, I guarantee that it isn't the bloody injuries that necessitate most of them... more likely the leg and spinal injuries that occur in all wrestling.
Barmyandlight 1 week ago
I wanna hear Cornettes take on Macho Man.. Maybe he'll actually give us the real story as to why alot of things...
Manismi 1 week ago
WWE is getting better, CM Punk and Daniel Bryan are getting pushed and they don't fit that mold.
MrRiseAboveitall 2 weeks ago
where's part 3?
seanmandence 2 weeks ago
Well he forgets about injuries and the toll wrestling has on your body. Steroids can help with that and there is nothing wrong with them as long as they are used responsible by someone who is educated about what they are and do with your body. Abuse (which is what 99.9% do) is a different story however.
Similar things go for painkillers, some NSAIDs to help with an injured body part is great for recovery.
Too bad it all gets thrown in the same pot.
EDIshames 3 weeks ago
Weird question, but what font's being used for the title card (Jim Cornette on Drugs)? It looks like a variant of futura...
masterankerich 3 weeks ago in playlist Jim Cornette 2
amen about the hardcore stuff, its ok in moderation (like foley, and i do like old school ecw, but there was more than just the hardcore stuff) but companies like CZW just take it too far
MrMikehunt87 3 weeks ago 2
I don't really agree with Cornette on much, but he's dead on about hardcore wrestling and drugs. I'm glad I listened to this because for the first time in 20 years I've respected Jim Cornette's opinion.
Bystander81 1 month ago
I'd like to hear Cornette's opinion nowadays, with CM Punk and Bryan Danielson being champs (at the same time no less)
bastlake 1 month ago
Is Cornette this good when he's not on drugs??
GrandFunker 1 month ago
When I was a kid I remember when the Perfect-Plex (Fisherman Suplex) would give you the 1-2-3-. With wrestling now days a move like that looks weak and a wrestler has to use an extravagant finisher to woo the crown. Now you can't have opinions on current talent without having fellow fans cussing and you and telling you to "go fuck your mother".
I miss the glory days, Sure it was family friendly but it wasn't about money and wrestlers never broke kayfabe and stayed in their gimmicks.
XXDodgerSoxxXX86 1 month ago 4
great interview
drandyMCD 2 months ago
He is the best thinker in wrestling.
LordKalbert 2 months ago 2
This is good info!!!!
desamania 2 months ago
if Vince wanted, he could buy out TNA just for their video library and fire everyone there
slayerking88 5 months ago
WOMAN WISE ODB WINTER SERENA AND ROSA MENDES ALL UNDERUTILIZED BY VINCE AND COMPANY.
SVSR2011 5 months ago
perfect example of Jim's point on hardcore wrestling (without using anything really hardcore): Ladder matches. Look at the glut of ladders in the Money In the Bank matches now, and the huge bumps guys take off of them, and then go back and try to impress somebody with Shawn Michaels hitting Razor Ramon with a simple flying body splash off of a ladder. What used to be spectacular (and Match of the Year worthy), is now so sub-par that it would actually qualify as dull and boring.
krazyzark 6 months ago 2
Why is he telling people to get a tan? Tanning does to your skin what smoking does to your lungs. It's debatable how many deaths can be directly attributed to steroids, but burning your skin is very likely to cause cancer.
Jim criticizes hardcore wrestling, but he likes Abdullah the Butcher and Mick Foley, who got famous because of hardcore wrestling and not having a lot of skill or athleticism.
spinemelter2000 7 months ago
@spinemelter2000 They may not have athleticism, but skill is a whole other issue. Foley is able to wrestle, speak, and work his ass off; he doesn't need to rely solely on the hardcore element because it just adds an edgy element to his work instead of being the main thing. Abdullah was able to sell himself as a believable brawler who could (despite being so out of shape) still work; furthermore, he's been able to sell his character as a monster so convincingly over the past forty years.
KentuckyKid84 7 months ago 3
@spinemelter2000
To be fair those two had more in ring ability than someone like New Jack or Sandman.
UMOGrunt 7 months ago
@spinemelter2000 Foley was actually incredibly skilled and very talented, which made up for his lack of physical athleticism.
Cornette is criticizing hardcore wrestling because it's overdone. Foley's greatest spots were few and far between, they were staged apart so each time would be special. It was so overdone it became boring.
DevilTakeMe 7 months ago
@DevilTakeMe I like Mick Foley because he has so many qualities that make him a great entertainer. Plus I have to admire his courage and passion. I can't stress that enough. But I haven't seen any great wrestling matches from him. He's taken sick bumps and is OK in a non-hardcore match when he has an opponent like Kurt Angle. But I just see his matches, and he doesn't deliver any convincing offensive moves. If you can name any match that proves me wrong, I'd like to see it.
spinemelter2000 6 months ago
@spinemelter2000 Once again, not an athlete, so he did have limitations. His offense was more brawling, which gave his matches more of a gritty feel (which easily transitioned into the "hardcore/extreme" style as you mentioned). But I always felt it made the tension better, since he always sold his opponent's offense so well, and his own offense (standard brawling fare - kicks, punches, clotheslines, etc.) was easy to sell, and he made a lot of guys look great.
DevilTakeMe 6 months ago
WWE screwed Nick Dinsmore, pretty much. Nick had all the talent in the world, but because WWE has to be a fucking dog and pony show, Nick felt he needed to demean himself and lower his credibility as a wrestler in order to get into the spotlight. At least now he's training prospects in Ohio Valley Wrestling, and teaching young prospects the CORRECT way to wrestle instead of how to be a Sports Entertainer.
jw870206 8 months ago
@jw870206
I don't know about his first run with the company but Dinsmore fucked himself during his second stint with the company eventhough Randy Orton pulled strings to get him back into the company.
UMOGrunt 7 months ago
Cornette is right. Wrestling is a shell of what it was in the 80's.
GreatUncleSiggy 9 months ago
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mhz23 10 months ago
CORNETTE FOR PRES IN 2012
con7en7 10 months ago 10
@con7en7 god NO... I LOVE CORNY wrestling View but HELL NO... when it come to politics.
jerichorocker1234 8 months ago
Cornette is completly spot on with hardcore stuff though.
Romulus123 11 months ago 4
If I ever become a billionaire and feel the urge to open a wrestling promotion, I'll hire Jim Cornette to run it.
djp928 11 months ago 10
@djp928 and jim ross
RatedY2Jericho2000 3 days ago
batista
sexygirl1678 11 months ago
Dont think hes ever been wrong on an issue or a question.
mattytheking001 1 year ago
Jim is right, most bodybuilders are crappy athletes with no flexibility, coordination or cardio.
gazz12345a 1 year ago 5
I remember that truck stop show. It was the first time I had seen that type of stuff done in the US outside of ECW, and pro wrestling illustrated gave it a bunch of coverage. It was so absurd to see that show talked about because it was just a regular, old school wrestling event. Then you got Ian and Pondo on top doing their blood letter thing. It was just surreal.
CombatSportFan 1 year ago
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I didn't know Jim Cornette did drugs. It makes sense though, because he's always talked so fast that you'd wonder if he was on cocaine. I hope he gets rehab, because he's been gone from wrestling so long and he should go back and be manager in WWF. I remember he was really good with that fat Japanese sumo wrestler dude.
TheSexyCanuck 1 year ago
@TheSexyCanuck
Are you talking about the title of the vid or have I missed something here?
As far as I can hear he's talking about the usage of drugs in the pro wrestling industry, the wrestlers not himself
SolidMike84 1 year ago
@TheSexyCanuck I'm surprised he doesn't smoke pot all day just so he doesn't get mad about everything going on around him. By the way the "fat sumo wrestler dude" you're thinking of is Yokozuna.
imlaughing2death 1 year ago
I think hardcore has its place, I mean, table bumps can be pretty impressive, and they aren't dangerous at all. But there comes a time when it gets a little ridiculous, so they should be used as a spice, not the whole meal.
Asushlo 1 year ago 4
Jimmy is right on. Nobody else has the guts to talk about Vince like this.
CadillacL 1 year ago 5
@CadillacL
Nothing to do with guts. It's Vince's company so he can do what the fuck he likes. There's no right or wrong way.
It isn't a multi-million dollar company for no reason. Vince took it to a different level and obviously succeeded (although the business as of right now is stale).
Romulus123 11 months ago
@Romulus123 Vince is a cancer of wrestling.
TheNintendoJuggalo 9 months ago
@TheNintendoJuggalo vince screwd wrestling period because of vince my favorite wrestler left the wwe
rus191 8 months ago
WWE's creative team and JOhnny Ace are lying corksucking morons
Coldstonechampion 1 year ago 4
I agree with Cornette 100 percent. I don't like wrestling today cause there are no personalities like the Rhodes, The Butcher, The Missing Link, Foley etc. Everybody look stupid with all the muscles and none of them are really talented. It is so damn cartoon today it is pathetic! No good scripts anymore that made me, as a child, believe the stories. I love when for example they had the bounty hunter concept where a wrestler hires someone to injure an enemy. Nowadays the stories are stupid.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago 2
@jesusneverexisted300 you damn right
Coldstonechampion 1 year ago
Theres too much homophobia around for another Lex Luger to appear.
TooMuchGass 1 year ago
I totally agree with his views on roids and hardcore. Wrestling should do away with it. Talent, charisma, and mic skills are essential
ThaGreatHooDoo 1 year ago
where's part 3?
davidducker 1 year ago
sad about what happened to eugene
ESSJ333 1 year ago 2
@WeNeedSomeGolfShoes yeah I have seen many poor imitations of ECW. These promoters don't realize you can't duplicate the success ECW had cause it was a different time and a different movement. ACW in Texas is a example of this. the fat loser who runs it thinks himself a hardcore fighter but is a place cheap imitation.
Aznar245 1 year ago
@Aznar245 Recipe to go bankrupt if you ask me... Medical fees and insurance finish to cost a lot when you do this stuff.
therrydicule 1 year ago
@therrydicule exactly
Aznar245 1 year ago
@WeNeedSomeGolfShoes well the hardcore thing was cool and inventive when it came around in 96 or 97 but by 2000 it had all but exhausted its tricks. I won't say it was never exciting but its a flame that blew out in the wind rather quickly. now used as a tool by dudes who can't wrestle worth a nickel. extreme was exciting when used in a low dosage I guess you can say.
Aznar245 1 year ago
@WeNeedSomeGolfShoes just go catch great indy wrestling to see my point.. you'll see wrestling as it is and it won't bore you and if your are bored by it well then obviously you were never a true fan to begin with.
Aznar245 1 year ago
@WeNeedSomeGolfShoes not sure what point you were making but I never stated wrestling go to the 50's since nobody wants to see that but basic wrestling as it is. just the excitement, tempo and organic realism it created without hardcore retards and muscle men getting in the way
Aznar245 1 year ago
Cornette gets it right again.. enough of these faggot mcmahons and their obsession with muscles and these fat dumb idiots that expose themselves to hardcore wrestling its time we go back to the original formula. basic wrestling
Aznar245 1 year ago 5
He makes some good points but all heyman and people from japan or where ever were trying to do was make the wrestling business different it had gotten stale in the early 90s and all they did was try something different and it was great....for a little while at least.jim cornette is just a stubborn purist. the reason why the wrestling business sucks now is because theres just a lack of effort by the wwe and tna and the indys. the business sucks now because theres a lack of creativity.
KrackHead1231 1 year ago
Its sad bc I remember when Nick Dinsmore was still in OVW.I remember when he went against Benoit in 2000 in a near 30 minute pure wrestling match.It was awesome and I read the article and saw the pics.I couldnt wait to see him appear on smackdown against guys like Angle,Guerrero Austin,etc.The came Eugene.wtf is with WWE
5starwrestlingradio 1 year ago
Heres five hundered dollars go take ten bumps and juice a liter of blood, sore?
No shit.
rudenoodle 1 year ago
EcW was hardcore but not ultravoilet. ECw had hardcore yes had technical yes yes had controversary yes had luche libre. But Czw is just trying to out do ecw and like cornette says czw mutilates themselves disgusting ly. how do you expect to continue a career wrestling all crazy? I rather watch czw then wwe but I dnt watch either one
ShootEncylopedia 1 year ago
quit crying about czw you dont like it then fuck off i hate wwe, tna, roh ect ect but i dont bitch about them. i just dont watch it
MrRywee123 1 year ago
Thankfully, the world has ROH and PWG.
ECWNET 1 year ago 5
Czw is just pure buchering.
v73k1 1 year ago
@v73k1 I agree CZW is nothing but a public lynching set to wrestling and that's where I think all these Hardcore wrestling federations fail,they just just do hardcore wrestling and it becomes played out,no psychology,at least with ECW along with Hardcore wrestling you had great wrestlers and interesting storylines and personalities,I mean look at all the matches featuring 2 cold Scorpio,Chris Benoit,Dean Malenko,Eddie Guerrero,Psychosis and Rey Misterio,they put on five star matches in ECW!!!
Ramblebar 1 year ago 4
@v73k1 CZW is fucking rediculous..The promoter should be butchered
BeyondInfinite1 1 year ago
wrestling fans ride the waves, there was a hardcore division in wwf/wwe so vince saw some nitch for it, but remember the lucha libre on ecw when that left they lost there luster, hell in the cell was the greatest hardcore concept where did that come from? tlc, now money in the bank is to set the new hardcore standard with all the new pups and old dogs jumping off shit to create a buzz for themselves and to get our attention.
MrAkbaz 1 year ago
cornette i have to admit makes alot of good points about hardcore wrestling dont get me wrong ecw was really somthing to behold giving guys like tazz, dreamer, rvd, and raven their break but now we are seeing the backlash of that style
TheSilverPhoenix100 1 year ago 5
Right on target
Obelisk2290 1 year ago
He has a point but not all of CZW is hardcore they actually have some good wrestlers
calikid05 2 years ago
Cornette is spot on here.
vio2112 2 years ago 62
@vio2112 absolutely correct on many points. Corny is the essential authority on pro wrestling. His knowledge on wrestling goes back to George Hackenschmidt and Farmer Burns and he has finger on the pulse of wrestling today.
ZenPimps 1 year ago 2
@vio2112 99.99999 percent he is spot on.
1pinkman 1 year ago
@vio2112 he's always on spot
paragshah2112 3 weeks ago
Jim Cornette for Head of The National Wrestlers Union !!!
Sancho Kayfabe has Spoken, Carry 0n~~~~>
SanchoKayfabeAggro 2 years ago
The Basham's were losers who got no reaction from the crowd. They were nothing special.
fmthebaron 2 years ago
In OVW, Damaja and Doug Basham were phenomenal. But they were thrown in as guys in JBL's Cabinet, and that killed any chance of stardom. No promo work, and no chance for them to be over with the crowd. Sad!
patg316 2 years ago 32
@patg316 Yeah, also instead of calling Nick Dinsmore up who was at the top of Cornette's top 20 list to get called up to WWE, they pick the bottom 3: Orlando Jordan who sucked, Mark Jindrak who had a good physique and a good drop kick but that was about it, and Sean O'Haire who had a shitload of potential but didn't really care and had a rotten match with Eddie Guerrero (if you can believe that). Trust me in 5 years, pro wrestling will go into the shitter completely.
timmyk1983 2 months ago
@patg316 linda miles and nidia were other victims of laurinaitis and mcmahon scheming. they hated natural athletes cause they wanted freaks and bodybuilders with no charisma and talent. eugene was over in two weeks and that was all him not the company.
SVSR2011 2 months ago
@patg316 They had a good start in WWE when they we're on their own and were great on their own, until either late 2004 or 2005, They turn them into Bradshaw's stooges, which took away their chance to become a big name tag team.
2011mrkingofkings 1 month ago
Is there a 3rd part? Cornette wasn't finished talking it seemed.
Adb12San 2 years ago
WWE fucked up big time with Doug Basham, too by having him go to a Raw taping (still training at OVW at the time) and having his head shaved balled. Damn near killed all of his drawing power and heat, too. Cornette used him as a top heel and was PISSED.
tkabat66 2 years ago 2
@tkabat66 Jamie Noble was the same way
Kalilalex 2 years ago