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  • i think it was repealed finally, AMEN.

  • @deedundone That is correct. The President is expected to sign it sometime this week. You can read more on our website. Big 3 News dot net

  • Couldn't agree more people should always remain open minded about others no matter what because that part of growing up and becoming mentally strong. Army Strong

  • Lets just seperate the openly gays from the straight males, we can have "gays" only water fountains, and gays only buses, and so on and so forth... If you really look at the overall social rule that this policy exemplifies it is a notion of seperation. DADT allows for the seperation of straight from gays in the militrary by giving the possibility of eliminating them due to a factor of known exposure. Its a way of pretending to be politically correct, while eliminating those who come out.

  • @Chadoacdc it is stupid. look, yes you are right but you are totally wrong. it is one thing to say in the military you are not gay or straight or male or female, you are just a soldier. but when the military finds out you are straight nothing happens. when they "find out" you are white or black or male or female, no one cares. but when you are named gay, your career is over.

  • being openly gay would fuck everything up. theres a reason the marine corps seperately trains men and women. to kill off any sexual desires that would ultimately make them weaker. getting rid of the DADT means it'd be ok for a homo to eyefuck another recruit of the same sex. they'd have to make a whole seperate platoon for gays.

    people who think the DADT policy is wrong do not understand it, and have probably never been in the military

  • To hxcboy69: Do you realize how much you unwittingly insult our military with your argument? You are accusing our military of being substandard, unable to perform as well as the militaries of other countries. The militaries of other countries have had openly gays for years, with no problem. What makes you think Americans are not as able or that we are somehow so insecure of our own manhood that we are afraid we could not cope? Think about what you are saying!

  • @ApplyUrBrain you dont get that most branches train males and females seperately to keep physical attractions outthe picture, tell me how that works if theres several known gays in your platoon. btw, dadt doesnt discriminate, it protects the gays

  • hxcboy69, I don't know why you'd think I don't "get" that. I also get it that (1) there are a variety of reasons for separating males & females, not the least of which might be the women's desire for privacy & (2) not everything in life fits some perfect analogy; maybe if having gays in the military means they'll see something they like, well, that's the way life is. Gays are everywhere in life OUTSIDE the military so it is silly to imagine that IN the military somehow everything is different.

  • To hxcboy69: Please explain how DADT "protects gays" rather than discriminate against them. I'm all ears! If your illogical statement were true, then why would the people who you say are supposedly protected by that law rather than discriminated by it, want it done away with. That would be like saying Jim Crow laws didn't discriminate against blacks but actually protected them. Get a grip on logic!

  • To hxcboy69: You seem to be under the false impression "Don't Ask Don't Tell" keeps gays out of the military. It DOESN'T. They are already IN the military. (Are you so uninformed?) All DADT does is keep you from knowing who they are. If your manhood is so fragile that you are afraid some gay guy might see you naked, then you should be for getting RID of DADT so that you might better KNOW which ones are gay and thus be able to distance yourself from them. Frankly, they might appreciate that!

  • send the gays to the frontline as a diversion for the REAL troops to accomplish the mission. kill off the gays.

  • @marcoshxc Ever heard of inspecting General Fredrich von Steuben? He might have been gay, yet he provided the necessary training of colonial troops to win our independence. Just take your ignorance elsewhere.

  • Welcome to the new cross-dressing Obama Army. Government issue will no longer be uniforms, boots, and field gear ... but skirts, panties, and makeup. It used to be that the objective of the U.S. Military was to win wars, but nowadays it's the advancement of left-wing political agendas. You can bet this will lead to declining recruitment, internal conflicts, more men coming home in body bags, and lost wars ... but a least the homosexuals will be happy. Isn't that the important thing?

  • In the november election we have to stop this anti american muslim lover obama

  • keep it dont ask dont tell but people shouldnt get kicked out for being gay either.

  • All I wanna Say,"Is that "They Don't Really Care about us.. MJ Lives...L.O.V.E.

  • The irony of greg357159's statement; demonstrating a religious belief and then insinuating others are like sheep, has really tickled me.

    ....is Gog a recist slur?

  • Bottom line on this gay issue is the United States is deliberately ruling against all the teachings of God ! Removing prayer from public schools, allowing abortions to be legalized demonstrates how much we have made God unimportant. We are no longer fighting for freedom and righteousness. We are now under the anti- christ serving his will. Never say God bless you... LOL,how can you expect God's help? Reread Leviticus 18-20 ...and choose your path good or evil, God or Gog ? Think sheeple !

  • And these days were not over there protecting (US) anyway... not even for our country.. it's only for power over another.. what terrorist??? Oh you mean the ones who blew up the trade center??? (Rolls eyes).... i think by now we know it wasn't terrorist... oh and if your Black ,White, Gay, who really cares... it's 2010....

  • What does serving OPENLY GAY mean?

  • ur going to hell

  • hey cass its not just that, its being able to drag your marines off the field, its being able to shoot the terrorists without freezing. ya they can die just like anyone else can, but we dont win wars by dying we win wars by making the enemy die for their country.

    like the lady said they have been in the military the whole time, and its working out. so why try and fix something that isn't broken? its not about rights its about power.

  • @jiujitsuman64 i agree..

  • I Could care less what sexual orientation you are.., if your a soldier and protecting my country then God Bless you. People are so Phobic these days.. dont assume that your so freakin cute that every Gay soldier would want to hit on you..LOL just as straight people dont hit on every straight person just because there straight. Grow Up People.

  • @cassidy1227 TOTALLY agree with you ;)

  • I'd rather be a sicko than a thicko.

    'if you keep having sex with men you will GET aids'. Yeah, that what African women in Africa should be told. Men, there, think they own women and most of the men don't use condoms.

    I'm gay and i have had loads of guys...and guess what, i haven't got AIDS and i get them to use condoms. Clever dick, aint i?

    You may wanna try. You just might like it. x

  • Yeah, that was a really GREAT comeback (rolling eyes). You lost the argument before we even started! Prejudice, intolorance and bigotry never wins. It's a shame that we are supposed to trust you to represent us, but you can't even represent yourself properly as a human being.

  • How am I a hypocrite? And WHAT exactly have I made up? You can say something all day long, but that won't make it true. And I find a self identified bigot calling me a hypocrite pretty ironic!

  • Okay, first you are calling me GAY because I think gays in the military is okay, now you're saying I discriminate against gays because I don't support gay marriage. Maybe you should WAKE THE FUCK UP because your contradicting yourself. I already made my point about gay marriage, you just choose to ignore it. I'm not going to waist my time explaining it again. You can READ can't you? DADT is DISCRIMINATORY for no legit reason. Which is why it WILL be changed here pretty soon. Deal with it!

  • I like both. I'm not gay though.

  • People voted and the majority decided that gay marriage should be illegal. If the supreme court decides to change the legal definition of marriage, then I'd be all for gays getting "married", but right now it's defined differently. Civil unions still allow them to recieve the same benefits so this isn't a discriminatory issue as far as I'm concerned. You're problem is that you just don't like gays! Don't try to compare me with you because there is no comparrison. I'm not a bigot!

  • You keep skating around this issue by circling back to gay marriage as if that is any way related. So let me repeat myself: Most people are FOR gays in the military and most DO NOT support gay marriage (this includes a large minority of gays themself). What part about that do you not understand? I'm all for gay civil unions AND gays adopting kids. "Marriage" is currently defined as a union between a man and a woman, so until the legal definition is changed, there is no gay "marriage".

  • Well you might as well just delete all of them then because you've been in error about everything so far. You ARE an error! Gays SHOULD be allowed in the military because there is no legit argument against it and anything less is just bigotry and discrimination. Discrimination might work in a communist dictatorship, but in a democracy and a free society like ours, it fails! So if you champion discrimination, then your not an American (whether you've served in the military or not).

  • The Spartans were gay! Nearly every other military from most other allied nations allow openly gay servicemembers, and most Americans support allowing gays to serve openly in the military. The point being made here is that historically, gays serving in the military has not hurt moral or unit cohesion.

  • Oh and let be respond to your last question (since it was deleted for being homophobic like you are).

    "So, in your mind I am being a bigot if I want to deny gays the ability to serve in the military but its ok to deny them marriage?"

    1) YES you are clearly being a bigot. Can you possibly deny that in any way?

    2) I don't think they should be denied rights, but the majority of American's do and we live in a democracy the last time I checked. The majority supports gays in the military!

  • Alexander the Great was gay and history tells us he won lots of battles.

  • Again, I'm not for gay marriage, but I am for gays in the military. They are two completely different issues that any objective person can separate.

  • What does matter is that this 52% "majority" you are referring to is hardly decisive (considering that the issue is still hotly debated and likely to be appealed in 2010).

    And yet again, this is TOTALLY irrelevant to the issue of GAYS IN THE MILITARY! Your insistance of trying to relate the two is only an indication of your unwaivering homophobic stance despite your denial of being homophobic. You can't admit that you are because your ashamed of it and you know that it's wrong.

  • But since you seem to want to talk about gay marraige so much, let me educate you on a few facts: 1) California is liberal on the surface, but has a large conservative minority. Just because LA and SF are "liberal" cities doesn't mean all of California is. They have a republican governor. Prop 8 had a huge religious backing in funding but barely passed 52% and between 40-70% of it's donations came from the church of LDS. 45% OUT OF STATE funding came from UTAH! And NOW there is backlash!

  • EVERYTHING is a made up term! Yet clearly, it means something and clearly, it represents you as a person. Why can't you just own up to that? I'll tell you why-- because you're embarrassed about it because you know its a WRONG thing to be, just like being RACIST or SEXIST. But it IS what you are! And we are not talking about gay marriage. You keep bringing up gay marriage as if that's somehow related to gays in the military. I'm not for gay marriage either so you bringing this up is pointless.

  • I call it what it is. And if you're ashamed of what it is, then I suggest you try to better yourself as a person. But don't deny being prejudice when you ARE. Don't deny being homophobic when you ARE. If you have any balls whatsoever, stand up tall and proudly proclaim it! To the backlash: I say "bring it on" because frankly I think it's all in your mind! If you wear a uniform, then you represent the United States. You don't represent only the straight Americans!

  • Yes, because heterosexuals already have all of their rights! They don't have to rally to be themselves. What does that have to do with a gay person serving openly in the military? Absolutely NOTHING! You would run a "gay person out on to the street" simply for being gay, but allow a heterosexual person to flaunt their sexuality, because you don't have a problem with that person. Can't you seen that this only has to do with one thing, prejudice!

  • And what about the airmen that flaunts their heterosexuality? Any reprecussions for that?

  • fags just want to join for the matching outfits

  • "if "snuffy" starts talking about his homosexual relationship he will regret it."

    No shit! That's what DADT means. I think everybody is aware of that by now--hence why we are having the discussion in the first place! But It looks like you're the one that's going to be CRYING since the policy is about to be repealed by the President! But not too many people are going to care about your crying since most think it's a dumb idea!

  • Why should heterosexuals be able to talk about what there personal lives in the workplace but gays shouldn't be? And this is all besides the point. Because gays can't even do that OUTSIDE the workplace! That's the part that YOU don't get! I already to you that you make to many assumptions. Speak for yourself, not for NORMAL MEN. I happen to be a normal man and I don't think like you at all! If you don't want to listen to Snuffy, WHO'S FORCING YOU TO?

  • Are YOU free socialize and discuss YOUR private life among friends as YOU please? YES. Are gays? NO. They do not have the same rights as you in the military. They can't date who they want, they can't be caught with someone they like in public and they have to LIE about who they are, what they like and the things that they do just NOT to get kicked out. Sorry, but they CAN'T serve now "just like you". And if you really think so, then YOU'RE CRAZY! But you already avoided that question didn't you!

  • The REALITY is that your prejudice prevents you from being objective. I just proved it! Here's a FACT for you, most Americans are FOR gays openly serving in the military. Nobody is trying to shove anything in your face. YOU are trying to shove your prejudice beliefs in the face of all Americans. Gays simply want the same rights you do. YOU prefer discrimination which is clearly un-American.

  • No. You evaded the question because you CAN'T answer the question. I asked you about a hypothetical heterosexual man, and you gave me some nonsense about gay airmen talking about having sex with some guy. That wasn't my question and it was more proof how how you are incapable of even THINKING about this objectively, let alone discussing it objectively.

  • Why are you so concerned about what other people do in private?

    "i do not have to suffer these bastards."

    Since when did the military suddenly become all about YOU? Why should people have to suffer YOU? The last time I checked WE served the country. Service before self. Isn't that a core value? Nobody forced YOU to sign up. YOU can take it or leave it. YOU have that option because YOU are no limited by discrimination. But not everyone was fortunate enough to be YOU.

  • Did I ask you that? Why don't we stick to the question at hand. Yes or no please!

  • As I predicted, you slithered your way out of this with something inbetween a yes and a no. A complete copout because it was your only option. I didn't ask you whether you felt the need to discuss such things or your opinion on strip clubs. I asked you if you think it's fair to DEMAND that nobody talk about such things or go to strip clubs? Two completely different questions aren't they. And airman CAN have women in their private homes. I'm in the AF remember, I know these things!

  • With all due respect, I think you're being a bit obtuse here. My sense it that you are so blinded by your own prejudice, that you are incapable of looking at this from an objective point of view. I doubt you can answer the previous question with a simple yes or no because it will prove the futility of your position. If your answer is NO, then you're argument immediately fails on all counts. And if your answer is yes, then you are automatically a liar and a hypocrite! So which one is it?

  • Do you think that it would be reasonable to demand that a heterosexual Airman never discuss his wife/girlfriend, women, sex, dating or anything related to that in any way with his friends while he is off duty? This includes jokes as well as serious heart to heart discussions. In addition he must never be caught in a strip club or with a woman in his quarters. Would you consider that reasonable and fair?

  • First of all it's spelled affection. Secondly, "homos" holding hands and kissing has nothing to do with gays being able to serve effectively in the military. What people do in the privacy of their homes is of no concern to the job at hand. You make a lot of assumptions. I don't care if a homosexual couple is "holding hands" in public, why should I? I don't want to see anybody sucking face (gay or straight) so there is really no difference, unless you're just prejudice and judgemental of course.

  • What's so disgusting about them? I'm sure there are a lot of things that you do which others would find disgusting, but nobody is judging you for it, have you ever considered that?

  • 1) Somehow, I doubt this was a topic of conversation YOU generally initiated! So it's unlikely that you have even had this conversation too many times with anyone outside your own circle of friends. And if your circle of friends is anything like you, then your findings wouldn't be a surprise.

    2) In all my years, I haven't found anyone serving who has a problem with them.

    3) None of this excuses the fact that you poorly represent the US military with such a bigoted attitude.

  • Winterfairy777 U R dumb as H3ll!!! and captainbryce1 dont wast$e ur time trying to explain $hit else to him anymore- that person is just a retard! U already explained eNuf times that the government is not PUSHING or forcing shit on him, and he keeps saying"the army is forcing me..." Hes dumb dont waste ur time anymore!!!!

  • If what you say is true (and I hope to God it's not), then I'm truly embarrassed that the US Air Force has such individuals representing it. I was always told that we were supposed to represent the best qualities of America, that we're professionals and that we're the elite. So when I see people like you proving just how prejudice, ignorant and immature the military still is these days and giving all of us a bad name, I find it rather appauling. Thank God most people in the AF are NOT like you!

  • How do you call someone else "immoral" when you can blatently disrespect others whom you don't like? You're a joke and a disgrace! Anyone who can be this prejudice doesn't deserve to wear a uniform, "supposedly" representing all US citizens. You didn't learn this kind of intolorance from the Air Force because that's not what they teach. So I question whether or not you are actually even in the military! You wouldn't know the meaning of unit cohesion with an intolorant attitude such as yours.

  • Well I already commented on the second half of this news series (my bad), so I think I just might be wasting everybody's time. Personally, I am HETERO and don't understand this whole gay thing in the Military. As stated, I am a Vietnam Veteran and back in my day, being a GAY was grounds for an automatic DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE. None the less, there ARE alot of homosexuals in the Armed Forces. I never did like Billy Clinton to begin with. I smoked but I did not inhale? GIVE ME A BREAK :)

  • There are gays in the military. So what about that don't you understand?

  • In case you haven't noticed, THIS ISN'T VIETNAM! This is the 21st century and blacks are no longer second class citizens either. And if you really are as homophobic as you make yourself out to be, then you should be THANKING Clinton since more gays have been kicked out under his administration than any other after initiating the ridiculous DADT policy.

  • what a fag nation......wow gays in the military..instead of being scared of the enemy your scared of the guy next to you corn-holing you in the fox hole.

  • other countrys will laugh the asses off...gay military. what a shame for our country

  • You are basically trying to say that gays are perverts? Are you serious? Contrary to popular belief not all gay men want your dick! Open your eyes they are willing to put their lives on the line to protect you and you arent gonna give them any respect? What an american you are

  • Believe it or not this PERSON is actually claiming to be a girl. Homophobia apparently isn't limited to sexist, bigoted males.

  • being disguted by sexual actions u do not like has nothing to do with that anyway. idiot. a gay man ( not bi) doesn`t want sex with a woman so what u call that? seems ur one of the prevs too

  • Because it's something that you dislike or find disgusting that makes them pervs. I'm sure you do things that anyone else might find disgusting. You're probably a perv in many others minds but that has nothing to do with gays being allowed in the military.

  • i at least know that i am a woman but u gay fuck what are u? takeing or giving. do u take the women parts? thats what u sound like. people like u need to get out of the military asap

  • i am not against gays being able to fight. but there must be rules changed. looks like u just do not get it. if 2 gays or 2 lesbian can be in one room, what do u think a hetero will say? so u want to give gays more rights just because they are gay? I do not think so. How do u want to seperate them so that a hetero does not got to deal with it. And it is also a problem in a war zone.

  • It doesn't matter what a "hetero" will say because that's not their concern. If they have a problem with it, they don't have to be there! You're the one who doesn't get it. Gays should have the same rights that straight do. PERIOD! So far gays being in the military hasn't been a problem. They already share the same quarters as straights and there have been no problems. The only thing that will change is the fact that the gays don't have to lie anymore. If you have a problem, the don't sign up!

  • exactly

  • nope u giys need to get out of our military.

  • no if u like the gays u need to go. u have no right to be in the military u gay fucktard

  • Well Obama said he wants to repeal don't ask don't tell. But with his current record does anyone really think this will happen?

  • a person that is normal doesn`t want to get any attention from a person like that in a sexual way. thats the point.

  • So does it change your own sense of sexuality to have someone of the same gender attracted to you? Do you not have your own choice in the matter? What if there were someone of the opposite gender that was attracted to you that you were not interested in?  How is this any different?

  • the different thing is i am hetero and i do not want pervs around me. and if the goverment pushes me to live with someone like that its sick and it goes against my rights

  • That just it, the government is NOT pushing you to live with anyone. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and telling you to join the military. But just because you are a FUCKING BIGOT doesn't mean the governemnt should practice discrimination against homosexuals.

  • and u r an idiot. if u r in the army and got to sleep and take shower with a gay or lesbian then u got to allow men and women mix also. or u seperate all. thats the point. why can i be with a lesbian in a room but not with a guy? huh? u r the idiot not me. dumbfuck

  • Because you're talking about two different sexes. Different sexes don't cohabitate (and never could). A gay man and a straight man are both the same sex you fucking moron! They both have the same thing. A male would feel uncomfortable undressing around females, not because they are worried about being raped but because it's a modesty issue you idiot! Cohabitating the sexes is not feasable or practical but cohabitating same sexes is. Sexual orientation is irrelevant. I'm in the military!

  • and u are the biggest asshole in the military. You do not tell me about regulations and rules and why they are there u idiot. if u like to get ur ass fucked get out of the military and wait till it is ur turn.

  • First, I know plenty of perverted straight people. Second, in relation to this story, there ARE gay people in the military. Recognizing them doesn't change their orientation or their behavior.

  • and if they say something wrong we get them out asap and that changes the behavior.

  • Don' t waist your time, your talking to children here (winter "fairy" who ironically is a fairy hater and BMTH- "Big Mouth Toothless Hater?). Anyway these guys can't even spell or use correct grammar. They're obviously children pretending to be adults. They've been watching too many GI Joe type movies. They're psudo "Christian" hick parents probably told them to hate on gays and blacks and northerners and anyone else who's not from their trailer park. There's bigger fish to fry trust me :)

  • the differenz is that it is disgusting.

  • You're disgusting!

  • no u r a sick animal like creature that needs to stay away from us normal people perv is way to mild to call u

  • Oh, by the way, gays and lesbians have also been fighting for years in two wars for your security! I guess that's gratitude for you. Ignorance and bigotry. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. I wish you were in the military so somebody could teach you some proper disipline and respect for people who put their lives on the line for you.

  • One final thought, I may not be gay, but I've known a number of gays and lesbians in the service since I've been in, and we have no problems with unit cohesion, morale or harrassment. You see, we know how to handle diversity and we know how to treat our fellow soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines. We don't judge based on someone's sexuality. We believe in "service before self". That's a concept you could never understand because you are a selfish individual.

  • yea sure. are u big mouth a shame of being gay because u would have to get out of the military now? I know enough people in the military myself incl my family and noone wants a gay there. only the sickos the trailer trash do not mind because those r the once that r bi or gay or lesbian. so do not lie to me.

  • i think i got the best answer. we make a new troup the first on the front troup all gays got to join that. die for ur country do something we can agree on

  • No that's NOT the point and you didn't even answer the question! The fact that you can't answer this question is proof of how ridiculous and bigoted your position is. It doesn't matter what a persons sexual orientation is. You can't assume that you would be getting "sexual attention" from somebody just because they are a lesbian. You think a woman being lesbian would automatically make her sexually attracted to you? Are you that self centered?

  • i did answert. it is sick living in one room with a pervert. or even have to be around a person like that if u do not want contact to them.

  • First off dum BitCh! ... How do you know how gay people feel!? R U SEcretly gay? ... but just trying to hurts us openly gay people! Go so on a dick!

  • i would not want to be in a room sleeping or taking a shower with a fucking lesbian! As long as u do not know and they do not act like it it is a different story. but knowing this person could be after me that is a no go. it is terrible for normal people to deal with people like that if u do not drifft in that direction! horror.

  • You say you're okay with them being in the military as long as you don't know, but if you do know then all of a sudden there is a problem? The only thing that changed is your own perspective. This means that the problem is YOU, not the gays and lesbians. And if YOU are the problem, then why do gays and lesbians need to pay for your bigotry? The military shouldn't be practicing this kind of discrimination to appease the minority of homophobes in the military. That is wrong on every level!

  • because if i do not know i do not think about it. thats why. if i do know it would make me sick thinking about a person like that even thinking about me in that sort of way, wich could happen. But u r right it would be my problem or better not because i would kill such person before they could touch me. I wouldnever be in one bed room with a personlike that believe me

  • This is a classic homophobic irrational fear. You are afraid that just because a person is homosexual, that they will be after you in close quarters? This is ridiculous! There are times when men and women in the military have to share close quarters while deployed and this doesn't seem to be a problem, so why is it different with gays? Sexual harrassment and sexual assualt is banned and punishable under all circumstances in the military, so what does it matter if someone is gay or straight?

  • if u got to have a gay in ur roon u can also go and put man and women in one room. thats the point.

  • Irrelevant! If you are uncomfortable with a gay being in the same room with you, then don't put yourself in that situation. Nobody is forcing you to join the military. But a gay who wants to defend their country shouldn't pe punished because of your insecurity and bigotry. Again, if you have a problem with gays, then the problem is YOU, not them! They have done nothing wrong and therefore have every right to serve.

  • u r not in the military no way! or you would know the regulations u r a fake

  • Seriously, is this the best you can do? It's clear to me now that you really have no legit argument. Either that or you are really a child. I happen to be a 12 year veteran still serving. I know more about military regs, the UCMJ and DISCIPLINE that you EVER will. I've done more for YOU living in a country that I protect than you'll ever know. Yes, even assholes like you who don't deserve the freedom and diversity America stands for. You're a disgrace to your country!

  • WOW! UR A LADY! thats crazy -- i thought u were a man! most women accept gays and Lebians! U r really out of this world! Go eat a pussy Dumb HOe!

  • The biggest problem with DADT is that those men who have husbands, or women who have wives; they can't inform the military that they have these relations, so their spouses can't be told that something has happened to them if something does happen. There have been gay men who have found out their husbands have died through the media which is NOT a good way to find out; it's not right.

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