Great Explanation and thanks for posting these, they really have been helpful I have been trying to follow the three stick concept, I am a guy thats 5'2 and 125 pounds, so I need the best technique and power I can get and I was wondering how do I get inside and keep all of the power in my punch while trying to keep the third stick soft as a blade of grass?
Brilliant! Thank you for these videos on basic technique! I've been studying a lot of videos on youtube to find the information I need to develop in martial arts and wing chun. This is one of the most informative ones I've seen, as well as the one about fist formation. Great work! I look forward to practicing with these lessons in mind.
Wow,I heard a lot of "sticks"... Could it be that you philosophize too much? And that you have already been blinded by all these concepts? A wise man once said "It is easy for me to put on a show and be cocky and be flooded with a cocky feeling and then feel like pretty cool and all that. Or i can make all kinds of phony things, blinded by it. Or I can show you some fancy movements...
Interesting as a boxer I understand the fundamentals of this punch and the source of power. The punches we use,however, do not come from the, "three sticks" it comes from the second and third stick as you described plus the shift of our body in the direction we are punching and finally the twist of our wrists as we are punching. All of these factors contribute to a serious punch.
@akid113090 i agree, both methods can generate alot of power, i enjoy the physics and intelligence of breaking down both types of punches and i'm glad you do as well, take care and peace!
I've been kicked by a horse on the sternum. Knocked me clean backwards, left a horse shoe bruise. Hurt but stood up fine. Your stupid chain punch is fantasy.
Ok...The whole stick thing is just a little creepy... especially if you notice where he's pointing and how who explains it...and I'm just saying if you REALLY want to learn karate... SIGN UP AT A REAL KARATE PLACE... I Swear some people are sooo lazy!!
1.You cant move fast using WC stance. Boxers,MT or any other arts is better for steping forward,backward and on sides.It is due to WC un-natural footwork.Best stance for moving around is fencing stance.2.In WC you kep your hands at your chest level.By doing so,you are opening yourself to oponent.You are giving to many uncovered targets for your opponent to aim at.3.Power!Boxers use theyr shoulder and hips more then wc guy.By doing so,they add force to theyr punch,but punch allso becomes slower.
Anyway, I honestly don't care anymore to explain anything. If someone thinks WC sucks, who cares? If they don't, who cares? We should all stop trying to convince each other. A lot of people don't get a lot of styles, not many people are very good at any of them either, so when people don't try or understand and complain, it's their loss. This goes for WC, BJJ, boxing, wrestling, MT, Krav Maga, you name it. Good people get good. Those with poor understanding won't get it. Put it to the test/train
See hawkinscheung . com /html/hcarticle.htm for the background on Bruce Lee, from a real Wing Chun guy (one of the few legit one's in the states). Especially article #4. The guy knows what he's talking about, and helps to explain what it's supposed to mean and how it works (on a very basic, foundation level even).
Hey chinaboxer, im trying to learn the basics of wing chun & i'have no partner to trian with im just doing what i'see you do . do you have any tips or ideas on how i'can be training better ?
Most MMA guys that are pros, as well as pro fighters, take WC to improve their fighting skills. Even the Gracie's told people if they want to be better fighters, to supplement their BJJ ground fighting with Wing Chun. But I guess some anonymous trolls online know more than them, huh? :-)
@tgreer0120 - WTF? What drugs are you on bros? Which MMA fighters take Wing Chun? Gracies were just blowing air up the SIFU's ass. Wing Chun striking is an F'n joke so is most of the training. The only punch I would give any credit to Wing Chun for is chain punching. Its so simple that my little sister can do it. But hey Wing Chun was designed by woman for woman right?
@iApna, if you can't accept anything someone says that's positive without defaulting to denial & being argumentative, then why waste either of our time by asking me anything & act like I could possibly ever give you an answer to satisfy your question? No matter what, you'll instantly mock anything said & say it isn't true. Who cares anyway? Like I give a damn if you are better or worse at martial arts. What you do (or don't do) doesn't affect me. You're not here being helpful/insightful. Point??
@iApna, Why would any anti-WC people even be viewing this video if you think WC is such a joke? If you're looking to enlighten people with some legit reason to save them from wasting their time , then do it in a reasonable & civil way by providing proof. People will be more accepting of your alleged insight. BTW, chain punching is HARDLY what WC is about. If you think protecting your center, more efficient movement, using your body to strike/kick, balance & position are dumb, then God help you!
@tgreer0120 - When someone blatantly lies about MMA fighters take Wing Chun to improve their fighting skills then there is no other way to respond. 99% of Pro-MMA fighters take Muay-Thai for their striking art not Wing Chun. There is no way a fighter who has their health, and upwards of hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line to bet on Wing Chun for their striking skills. To walk into a Pro-Fight with Wing Chun training is suicide.
I said most good fighters respect WC & many study it. True, I shouldn't have said "most". Most take boxing over muay thai for striking, btw. Of course, *most* are just bar brawler type of people, but I'm talking about one's that are any good. Anyway, qualified people (not you) know WC is worthwhile to study (no one said the only thing to study!), and you're a nobody that just can't accept it. You hold no authority. You're just an anonymous loudmouthed fool online.
@tgreer0120 - You said "Most MMA guys that are pros, as well as pro fighters, take WC to improve their fighting skills." - Quite the opposite - Most MMA guys 99% of them do not take Wing Chun idiot.
I never claimed to be an authority. Who the fuck is qualified? You? LOL - You're a fuckin joke you bitch. MMA fighters profiles are publicly available. No fuckin fool would train Wing Chun to enter a Pro-MMA fight competition even Boztepe side stepped the UFC when asked to come fight.
@iApna, when you make bold statements claiming WC is a joke and doesn't work (at all), and then go on to claim that people like the Gracies themselves (who specifically said WC is a very good system) and say the Gracies didn't mean what they said and that YOU know better, that is YOU pretending to be the authority. You're a whiny nobody online that thinks he knows more than experts. More than Dan Inosanto, more than the Gracies. It's pathetic. UFC doesn't prove everything, the fighter does.
@tgreer0120 - LOL - What were the Gracies going to say to their hosts? That their system sucks? If WC was so great don't you think the Gracie's would have at least put some part of WC in MMA training that represents Gracie Jiu-Jitsu? All that the Gracie's care about is the adoption of their art Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. If WC had any value it would have been included in MMA training by now. After all there are millions of dollars at stake at every fight.
@iApna, So, you feel confident that you can speak for the Gracies? Every post of yours is more ridiculous in its claims. The seminars the Gracies did, were called "Double Impact", they weren't being nice to their "hosts", they toured together in combination to demonstrate the effectiveness of both. They planned for this and your assumptions are pointless. There's no arguing that BJJ is bad-ass, as is Muay Thai, as is boxing, as is WC. The fact you don't agree, with no experience in it, means????
@tgreer0120 - If you like Wing Chun thats your thing. But don't go around claiming MMA fighters train in WC to improve their fighting skills, when there is no proof to backup your claim. Its easy for me to say they don't do that because MMA clubs publicly list their instructors backgrounds, fighter profiles, wins/losses, etc...
Go look up the top MMA clubs, the evidence is right there.
@iApna, indeed, it is my thing, if that's what I do. Why you care so much about what other people do, to be some anonymous troll mocking people that do, shows how stubborn & clueless you are. You shouldn't care if I'm wasting my time, you're not offering insight. I don't care if you lack something either, so you are welcome to think WC doesn't work. Seems like you're just wasting everyone's time. I make things real & put them to the test. I know what works because I do it. You should try that.
As for MMA clubs, I spar with PLENTY of guys that think MMA means everything, they do boxing, NT and BJJ, and they are good at what they do. But, I walk all over them in every situation. But, I don't blame boxing, MT or BJJ just because they aren't as good, and I'm not saying a good boxer, MT or BJJ can't beat me. I'm saying it's the fighter, and WC is a good art, but you seldom see a good WC guy. Insonato, Gracies, etc. all agree WC is bad-ass, but you can't figure it out.
NT should have said MT. Anything, there's nothing more to say. People should train and see for themselves. People that have a mind for MA and fighting will understand what can work and discern who is a good instructor to learn from (with any style). Make it real, use it and see if it works against lots of different types of people and fighters. Once you do, you won't need to question it or argue with people online about how it is silly. Things seem silly, until someone knocks you silly.
@tgreer0120 - Its not about feeling confident in speaking for the Gracie's because I'm not. I am stating a fact that the Gracie's have not included Wing Chun in to their classes, nor have any of the top MMA clubs. Gracie's will tour with anyone to promote their style wouldn't you, if you had the chance? As for you sparring, MMA fighters and you walking all over them, is laughable. Most Wing Chun practitioners I have seen get tired in 30seconds and ask us to slow down or back-off.
@iApna, a lot of MMA places don't teach a lot of things. A lot of people agree Krav Maga is effective a& to the point, how many teach Krav Maga? I can't think of or find a single one. Do some? Probably, but most do not. Why? Because it isn't designed for the cage. Anyway, you're making excuses for why the Gracies did the seminar tour with a WC guy, but you say you're not speaking for them? WC covers a lot of things other arts do to a point,so that could also be why there's little WC specifically
@iApna, or perhaps "most" of the WC fighters you've seen tire out so fast and ask you to slow down or back off, just suck as fighters, suck at WC, or just never took it? The fact that a good fighter can be pretty good at ANY style to the point where they don't suck or tire so easily, proves they weren't a good fighter. Anyway, I know what works, because I do it, I train (all of the time), among styles you'd agree with. Only WC are you so clueless about, because of generic UFC attitude. Lame.
Feel free to think what you want. I'm not going to defend an art that's proven itself to experts in MA, only to have some nobody online argue because they think MMA is the be-all, end-all. Only in a confrontation would you know, and that's if you're any good... and your words here lack enough wisdom to make me think you aren't good, and no wonder you'd not be able to make WC work. Look, martial arts aren't for everyone, some people won't get it. The sooner you accept that about you, the better.
iApna So, I'm done with you. Nothing more can be said, you have made up your mind. But, that's okay if you lack something and think MMA is all you need to know. Good luck if anyone adds a screw driver to the equation on the street while you try and box and wrestle them to the ground. BTW, that stupid Bullshito WC mocking video was supposed to mean or prove something? I think you must be retarded. I'll leave you to your trolling, I'm not wasting anymore time with you.
@tgreer0120 - LOL Wing Chun isn't the only game in town for street defence against knives, screw drivers, etc... Although I doubts its effectiveness even in that circumstance. I carry brass knuckles in my pocket and bat in the car. Btw... MMA is much more than what you see on TV and it can include any art you wish to include. Btw.. i have dabbled in Krav Maga which I believe is much more effective than Wing Chun. But hey you can think what you want.
@iApna, it certainly isn't the only defense. I study weapons and study modern arnis, etc. Carrying illegal items is understandable to defend yourself, but there are better tools that are legal. I very well know MMA is more than what's on TV and cage fighting and their rules. My point about Krav Maga, is that this isn't taught in the general MMA schools either, so you can't judge the effectiveness just because it's not common. Finding a legit/good WC teacher is incredibly difficult, btw.
@tgreer0120 - With MMA clubs and Thai its easy to find a good instructor because their records are public. Or at least be able to filter out the bad ones. Most times you can watch videos of them fighting and they will have numerous students who are local, national and global fighters. Not all MMA clubs have champs due to the limited fight organizations but thats a good thing. Try to find any practical evidence on SIFU's who claim to be good fighters. Nearly impossible.
@iApna, I wouldn't disagree with you at all about most "sifu"/kung fu teaches that claim to be qualified aren't and most are a joke and don't know how to fight. No argument there Jin Young in these videos (watch a lot of them when you have time to see the parts where it gets going on the concepts) and understand he's one of the very rare that show anything real. This example is so very basic, as are a lot of his videos, but they do progress. A good WC guy is nearly impossible to find, too.
Anyway, I don;t disagree that it's a lot easier to find a legit MT, boxing, BJJ guy. It's rare to find a legit WC or even Karate guy. I know that might sound weird, but I do actually understand why most people think WC sucks (but it doesn't). Just no one really does it or knows what they are doing. The few that do are very good, but you rarely to never see that, especially on Youtube. That's why people think clowns like Obasi actually represent WC, and that's sad. Anyway, I've got to get going.
@tgreer0120 Its not actually rare.There are many good karateka and wing chun martial artist in their own very hometown but not in foreign countries.As for a wing chun man like my self i find it sad that there are only few good master in foreign countries.I'm sure glad that my sifu is a real chinese and a fighter :)
@tgreer0120 - I don't believe WC is bad ass. Its quite junior in my opinion. My limited exposure to Wing Chun was quite humorous when I took classes for four months far back. It could have been the SIFU, because most SIFU have no fight experience. Its funny when Wing Chun fighters come to our MMA class and tell us at the end "I have wasted so much time training in Wing Chun". The only Wing Chun practitioner that put me on my ass was a bouncer who had a huge weight advantage.
@iApna, so you think WC is bad, because you only had one WC practitioner put you on your ass? So what if people think they're wasted time, who was their instructor? Who was the "fighter"? Were they a fighter? Were they really any good? Must not have been to complain about their past. It's easy to pick up BJJ in comparison to understanding the concepts of WC, so it's easier for more people. I had a BJJ guy yesterday tell me he USED to think BJJ was all that, when I walked all over him.
Why would what you think of WC mean anything? I said people that are respected in MA say it is. You must not know MA very well to think it's junior. It's one of the more advanced conceptual arts. You just have admitted you're not a good fighter when you said that someone with a huge weight advantage is why you got your ass handed to you. ANY good style won't favor weight. Speed & strength always give someone the advantage, not mass or weight. But good styles deal with that aspect.
@tgreer0120 - You can read into my experience with the bouncer however you like. Bouncers are great at steam rolling over people quickly because they do it every single night. But that was the only time he was able to do that to me. I learned quickly how to deal with guys like that.
@iApna, well, this seems to be all that this debate/argument between us has been--reading into what the other has said. As for bouncers, they are generally indeed just big guys that roll over people with their brute force. That's for the average fool, not to go against trained people. We all know how few people in the world have training, how many did it for very long & how many of those people left that are even any good. There's a lot to all of it, it's all down to the fighter. Goodbye.
@tgreer0120 - The bouncer who put me on my ass, just came at me brawled, was 30lbs heavier and super strong. He was tired like the rest of them, which is when I capitalized and put him on his ass. Then we put him against an MMA fighter in the same weight class. He had no chance, he shelled up in 30 seconds after receiving hard kicks to the legs and heavy punches to the face. But that's Wing Chun. Oh btw.. I found a great clip for you: /watch?v=v7KxuDYfpSQ
@iApna, so he came at you like a brawler, but he claimed to know WC? PLENTY of people claim or think they know WC and don't do ANY of it in a fight. What's a BJJ guy that doesn't ever use BJJ in a fight? You think that's someone to use as a reason why BJJ doesn't work? WHO did you train in WC under? Are you a person with a mind for MA? Are you good? I'm sure you think you are anyway, right? You also just said the guy that weights 30 lbs more than you is probably always going to win. Really?
@tgreer0120 - Btw... I watch many martial-art clips regardless if I like them or not. I don't have the time to train them all, but I do want the ability to recognize the art in case I come across it in my MMA class.
@iApna, you came in claiming WC is worthless/silly, and you said you watch a lot of MA clips regardless. Regardless of what? You said you don't have time to train in them all, so are you saying you just don't have time to train in WC? Anyway, if you had a clue, you'd know not to judge a style if you've never trained in it. You're just jumping on the ignorance bandwagon because you're ignorant. Anyway, if you think MMA covers all fighting situations, then no wonder you're so clueless.
@tgreer0120 Wing Chun actually makes a lot of sense in the cage when your back is, you know, against the cage. You don't have a lot of room to move, uppercuts, hooks and crosses require some movement of the whole body that being backed up against the wall doesn't afford. Can't throw that kind of action but you can throw chun chois until your arms give out at that range. It's an easy punch to get the hang of and god help your opponent if you've spent a lot of time practicing pak sao.
That being said, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink, so I'm not going to waste any more time :) I sincerely hope he doesn't test his luck against a WC practitioner, though. We're known for being very patient, and we have a good, keen eye for those we should take it easy on, just to teach them a lesson. But sooner or later he's going to mouth off to the wrong person and end up with some very severe internal injuries, which I don't wish upon him.
So, chinaboxer, I have a question. What part of my fist should connect with my opponent/wall bag/whatever I'm using to train when my punch is complete? I'm starting some training and I don't want to start off punching incorrectly. I'm not sure if all of my knuckles should hit, only part of them, or if it's up to me. Or, if you have a video explaining this please let me know what it is.
@dethcreature88 You've aiming to land the punch on the bottom three knuckles in your hand. I've just started learning wing chun but that's what they taught me.
@MaestroDraven Thanks man, it's not often you get a nice reply on facebook. My biggest problem isn't keeping my head up, it's just being forward facing. I got the softness thing down already, but that's because I'm naturally weak.
I don't know if you're talking physically or mentally weak, but either one can be overcome. Physical is well, you get the idea :) Mental is a bit more complex, obviously. Learning Wing Chun is a great way to bring both into harmony while strengthening who you are. For instance, we never EVER train students in Wing Chun unless they've got a good, solid frame of mind, and even then, we never teach the 3rd and final form unless we're certain they're ready for it.
@MaestroDraven Mentally I'm as strong as on Ox, that's an Ox physically. Mentally I don't think the Ox has much to offer. No I just meant that I aint that muscular. How do you gauge a students frame of mind?
You can tell who is going to use WC for brawling, and who is going to use it for what it was designed for: ending a fight quickly. WC is extremely brutal and highly dangerous. The straight punch can seriously hurt or even kill someone, not to mention the array of killing moves at our disposal. The third form teaches the most dangerous aspects of WC. Therefore, you'd hate to be the one who taught a loose cannon who ended up killing someone in a fight. Not a nice thing.
He's right. Make sure you're striking with your fist moving in an upward fashion so that all the knuckles except your index knuckle strike your target. This maximizes striking power and prevents you from getting a serious injury.
For all of you who say this is usless, didn't you see ip man 2? He beat the boxer with out the ability to kick! Not saying boxing is bad or anything. This was created by a WOMAN who beat up a man in a challenge for her marriage. And quick thoughts on krav maga, I do think it's a good martial art, but it relies on groin kicks a lot. You can learn to defect cheap shots like that.
Groin shots don't work against Wing Chun practitioners. The basic stance that you're taught at the beginning of training allows you to catch an incoming groin kick and then use leverage to snap the ankle or break the leg outright. It would be foolish for anyone to try and groin kick a WC martial artist.
@MaestroDraven Let me tell you the main weakness in trapping, ATTACK IS QUICKER THAN DEFENSE. You have to think about what to do, do it, all the while the attack is coming more and more at you. Even if your mind is quick enough, your body usually will not in terms of similar coniditioned fighters. A classic front kick from either linear(Shotokan, TKD, original JKD) or circular(Kyokushin, Goju, MT, etc...) from either leg will wreck you silly.
Precisely. We'd never let allow ourselves to open up to a trapping. That's why we keep our arms close to our centerlines, and we strike hard and fast. The WC straight punch can be varied a dozen different ways to prevent any retaliation. You're right about the front kick. The WC front kick was designed to be an all-purpose attack/defense maneuver. Circular kicks I have less faith in. Step into their immediate space past the kick, and it's all over for him.
@420CESAR91 you say wing chun sucks, but any good martial artist knows to respect every other practitioner and the martial art they practise. you can go on saying how tough you are and how you can easily beat up everyone, but no one will respect you or fear you.
Everyone talks big when hiding behind their keyboard, son. If I took you up on your offer, you'd make up an imaginary doctor's appointment, or something.
Thats why Bruce Lee used western boxing to make up where wing chun was lacking. Wing Chun punching is good, but not as good a boxing. Tell Pacquiao his straight punch has no power!
@MaestroDraven you say wing chun sucks, but any good martial artist knows to respect every other practitioner and the martial art they practise. you can go on saying how tough you are and how you can easily beat up everyone, but no one will respect you or fear you.
Belts were designed and created for westerners to feel like they accomplished something. No martial art ever cared about belts or status symbols at its core. You're just embarrassing yourself with your lack of martial arts knowledge. BJJ is a grappling art. If you can't grapple, you're finished. We'd never let a BJJ opponent get a hand on us. We have our own locks and bars for that.
@vockla think of a wooden dummy like a heavy bag, it's no different, it's a great way to practice using your whole body structure when you don't have a partner, so don't wait, use it! - Jin
@chinaboxer Hey China boxer, is it alright if you do a Chum Kiu demonstration? I learned siu lim tao and what not, but I have a hard time with the 2nd form, and consequentially the 3rd form probably/
@vockla Don't treat it like a punching bag though, where you blast away at it with full power. I mean you can if you want, but the focus is not so much on attacking it with power as it is to correct your structure. The actual point of using it is to correct your structure and application of the tools in Wing Chun.
On boxing, what most people don't realize is that the boxing gloves itself favors a different kind of punching. It requires more push through, not shock through.
great explanation! Im a self-taught wing-chun practicioner and there is a lot of holes on my foundation... since here at Brazil there isn´t a lot of wing chun gyms (GOOD ones at least), my best option is to stick with videos. Thanks a lot man... wished that u would be my master here
If this martial art is for old ladies then why is it one of Bruce Lee's techniques? Also even if this martial art was first made by a woman. The deal was if she could beat this man in a fight she'd be set free. SHE KICKED HIS ASS. and further more, wing chun fighters are able to react fast to boxing punches.
The forth word is you're left bleeding and hurting very bad crying like a baby... Point is, no martial art is best. If Ip man was fighting a boxer, boxer would die. If a wingchun guy was fighting mike tyson, the wc guy would die... I personally do MuayThai, BJJ and Karate. You can learn from every martial art, I even use a few techniques from my Taekwondo days as a child in my MMA, so don't close your mind.
That's where boxing fails. Wing Chun is not for a sport, it's for fighting. Wingchun is not good for sports, why? Because it's not a sport. The best moves in wingchun, are low kicks to the groin and knees, eye gouges and throat punches and chops, moves that are against the rules of boxing, and all fights boxing VS wingchun are under kickboxing RULES which is not where wingchun belongs. WC is very popular among chinese street gangs and martial artists, not sportsmen.
Guns are not alowed to citizens in China, so any kind of attack on another person is going to be hand to hand combat. Wing chun is the most popular fighting system in south Chinese gangs, you simply have an opinion. You don't like wing chun, so your argument means nothing lol You're just saying, "wing chun is bad because I don't like it" "I personally don't like to sit in chairs, I like sitting on the ground alot more, so chairs are worse then the ground"This logic makes no sense,just opinion
@GuamKomudo gangs of wing chun practitioners? Is that bad? are they bad people? if so... that's horrible, no one with bad intentions deserves to know proper wing chun. I hope that's not the case and fighting is actually a rare thing that happens. :[ however that's a fascinating culture... no guns, a lot less death's at least.
Copypasta'ing GuamKomudo's earlier comment, because the same applies to your comment.
"You don't like wing chun, so your argument means nothing lol You're just saying, "wing chun is bad because I don't like it" "I personally don't like to sit in chairs, I like sitting on the ground alot more, so chairs are worse then the ground"This logic makes no sense,just opinion"
Some of us call it fighting. There's the difference between sport fighting and FIGHTING for your life. Wing chun was created by a girl so she could survive a fight with a man. You act like it's offensive to FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE, which is the concept of arts like wing chun. Martial arts were not originally in a boxing ring, they were created by people who found themself in the situation of needing to HURT other people.Wingchun is NOT a sport,it is a combat system created for harming others badly
Ok cool, that's why every single human civilization on earth created SYSTEMS of hand to hand combat AKA Martial arts... Because training is pointless right? LOL Get out of here xD There's WAY more to wing chun than just cheap shots. There is ALOT of physics and human anatomy behind wingchun. Anyone can punch at someone else, doesn't mean you're a good fighter or martial artist.There's a difference between fighting in the slums and actually learning how to scientifically use your body as a weapon
@GuamKomudo .Practice does make perfect, but really how many ways do you need to know how to kick a man in the groin and chop him in the throat? Like I said I’m not downing it I’ve taken a few classes of krav maga myself. But in all fairness other then the weapon take away techniques, its all cheap shots. Very effective cheap shots but cheap shots none the less.
There's more than cheap shots in WC too, there's a very advanced system of blocking and parrying that takes years to be good at. WC is not "just cheap shots" it just targets those areas because "cheap shots" in real life fighting are the best place to harm another person which is the point of WC, not points. Stop acting like because you can kick a guys balls you're equal to WC. Boxing is just punches. I can punch too, so boxing sucks. Taekwondo? I can jump and kick too. Martial arts EASY right?
@GuamKomudo so here is my question if you take away the cheap shots is it still an effective method for successfully attacking ? based on your previous statement " The best moves in wingchun, are low kicks to the groin and knees, eye gouges and throat punches and chops " you led me to believe not. Any one can add cheap shots to boxing ( or pretty much any other martial art ) if they wanted to. But even with out the cheap shots they are still effective methods for successfully attacking.
Of course it is. If you get hit with a right cross straight up in the face, of course you're gonna be hurt. But notice how boxing goes on and on for rounds and rounds. You act like because I'm saying wingchun is good, you assume that means I think all other arts are bad. This is very wrong and it is the same thing assumed by many. I am very open to EVERY style, and all have things to offer. The best attacks of real life are "cheap" because they do the most harm to human beings I do boxing btw =P
@GuamKomudo Im not downing it. People practice different martial arts for different reasons. Ive never said that any martial art " sucks " personally some are not for me but that doesn't mean they suck. every one finds whats right for them. Your statement made WC seem very much like Krav Maga which i personally believe is the most effective cheap shot system ( although i quit that to practice BJJ )i would like to take a few years of WC to understand the philosophy, method, and techniques .
That's cool, I do BJJ too =D It's my FAVORITE martial art and straight up favorite thing to do in my life haha BJJ in my opinion IS the best art, not because it's better, but I like that if you get someone in a hold or lock, you chose how much you hurt that person, you can even give them the choice of giving up! And personally I hate to hurt people. If I could hold someone in a choke and say "Stop, or I'll continue" then I could finish a fight without even hurting them =D
@GuamKomudo my boy does bjj and i did mainly boxing...but i did some other stuff too..watched a lot of krav maga....and i fuck him up as much as i can in a friendly way, yea he ends up submitting me but at what cost? if we were in the street id have beaten his face to a pulp, broken his fingers gauged his eyes and hit him numerous times in the balls...beat his head with a nearby rock off my back..maybe cut his neck with a piece of glass? bjj is cool but dont rely on it on the street
So because you're a better boxer than your friend is at BJJ that means BJJ sucks automatically? Most human beings in moder society do NOT have what it takes to "bash his head with a rock" or gouge someones eyes out. My BJJ instructor almost got in trouble for choking out a guy after he was attacked outside a bar. Krav Maga is for life and death, usually for soldiers or body guards... I'm not saying BJJ is the BEST, but I'm just saying if I can win the fight with no one hurt, then that's great
@GuamKomudo I don't think I said BJJ sucks...You did...I got news for you man people get hurt in street fights..And if you're out there to choke people unconcious and break arms you should probably be prepared to get stabbed or have someones boys jump in on you...You don't wanna be on the ground in a streetfight..Yea in a 1v1 match BJJ is good if there's no weapons and time is on your side..Most fights are quick and violent..Learn BJJ yes but also learn other things...
I know that, but what I'm saying is IF you could (which it has been done before) I'd rather not hurt anyone. But you're right. One BIG problem I see in BJJ is that if someone has a knife, you DON'T nessisarly want to be on the ground tied up with that person. Like you said Krav is GREAT. I LOVE BJJ, I'm good at it. I don't get into "street fight" situations, it's just not in my life style.But i could get unlucky or something. Then I'd use my BJJ to get up, but try to use my Shaolin kempo or box
@GuamKomudo yea that makes sense..BJJ is fun and its good to know..It's my belief that all martial arts feed off each other, each one makes you better at another one..I think the ideal way to go would be to learn tai chi as a base long with savate kickboxing..and throw in some grappling..but you cant go wrong with krav..
The way I see Krav, is that if I lived somewhere crazy, like Israel for instance... I might need it. Krav Maga takes any art out of the martial arts, and simply goes for practical, down to the point, FIGHTING. That's what makes Krav Maga so good, it is not crippled by artistic movements, or tradition, or one way of thinking, it takes the best, most basic, practical techniques and that's all. Krav IS FIGHTING, not an art of fighting, it IS fighting lol
@GuamKomudo Yea idk where you're from but I live in Jersey, I've been jumped a few times, had a knife pulled on me once another time hammers were involved...With the downward economy it's wise to know fighting...But as far as arts go, Tai Chi is my favorite it's so calming and balancing..
@GuamKomudo Well duh...Can't avoid it at all times, especially when women or kids are involved...The way I see it is you can't replace a good killer instinct, good thing to read human behavior and understand what's coming, and learn how to use what you got..I can't remember the last time I got hit first, I usually am the first to act because I'm good at reading people..
@GuamKomudo Boxing is universal for a reason. Most of the punching and punching targets are allowed in boxing, yet do I see champions or even amateurs using Wing Chun? NO. Precisely cause it lacks power and relies too much on unskilled flurries and accuracy. Boxing originated from street fighting, is universal in all good striking arts somewhere in them, and while lacking by itself still dominates Wing Chun. Low kicking the groin or knees are great, but need power(Shotokan, TKD, MT, Kyo,etc...).
I missed your comment about boxing and WC. The reason you don't see WC champions is because WC practitioners aren't interested in trophies or glory. Plus, we break too many rules for any sport or competition. WC fights dirty. WAY too dirty for conventional martial arts spectacles.
As for boxing, you're wrong. One of the first lessons we're taught in WC is just how easy it is to take out a boxer. They rely on ranged attacks. That's a gigantic weakness that we exploit.
As for lacking power, go and get punched in the chest with the full power of a WC straight punch. Your sternum and rib cage will crack and you'll be dealt some truly serious harm. I've seen it happen right before my eyes, and it isn't pretty.
@MaestroDraven Ok, try getting punched by a basic boxer, kickboxer, or shotokan/tkd user, you will see the massive difference in power. And body punches in a street fight are usually a bad idea unless circumstance dictates otherwise, you are better off thrust kicking, side kicking, back kicking, or even roundhousing the body, but your punches are inferior. Your kinetic linking is low, there is no turn and thus no penetration, its surface damage, and where to begin on the acc requirment! :P
Your obsession with kicks is precisely what Wing Chun practitioners like myself count on in a fight. You tire out quicker and leave your body wide open to attacks. This is basic power redirection and deflection theory. What happens when your side kick is delivered and misses it's linear target? All we have to do is sidestep it while moving in past your knee, and you'll be flattened in a second.....unless we decide to break your leg first, which is incredibly easy.
Actually.....all the power comes from throwing your hips in a half-turn into the punch. Your knowledge of Wing Chun is ......like your knowledge of physicality......extremely limited. I suggest you do some more research. Anyone who thinks a Wing Chun straight punch is a locked movement that utilizes the arm primarily doesn't know what they're talking about. You've just managed to prove my point even better than I could have hoped for. Don't take risks with your health.
@MaestroDraven Kinetic linking, you draw your power from the Earth and its primarily your bottom, thigh muscles, then the hips, and finally the shoulder, back and triceps with alittle biceps. Your bottom is the main muscle used. WC uses barely any of them, lacking both range and power all the while going for slightly more speed, its pointless. I'll take on any WC no-holds-bar anyday that I am reasonably health wise able to and I will slaughter the fool.Bruce Lee abandoned it for TKD for a reason
Ummm, Bruce Lee didn't abandon Wing Chun. He had a major falling out with Yip Man and decided to form JKD....which by the way was a series of theories and concepts, not a new martial art. Lee was decimating opponents with WC training very early on. You know N-O-T-H-I-N-G about martial arts, and no..I'm sorry but you'd get beaten and bloodied if you ever fought a WC practitioner. That's just how it is. I've been a martial artist for 20 years. I'm qualified to say you know nothing.
@MaestroDraven 1. I've read his manuals that where assembled and released, all 4 volumes and the Tao, aside from universal Kung Fu ideology, he abandoned WC cause he viewed it as impractical in both the little damage it does and in the arm trapping. There was no real "falling out", he favored TKD ideology, hence the side kick for example. I've done amateur MMA, kickboxing, TKD tournaments, and have beaten 4 people in the street fights I have had, you live in your dream world closed off and weak.
Yes, there was a falling out. And no, he didn't favor TKD ideology. Jhoon Ree might have taught him TKD kicks, but Gene LeBell taught him some Judo, and Danny Inosanto taught him Nunchaku. His core, principle martial art was Wing Chun, and to deny that is to live in that "dream world" you so speak of.
I can't take anything you say as fact, because you've already made several mistakes about marital arts (specifically Wing Chun) that are simply unforgivable. Sorry kiddo.
My best advice is not to brag about imaginary fights that you've never been in (If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying.: Bruce Lee), and instead actually take some classes. You're in absolute, obvious need of them.
It isn't about who did what, Mikado. But it is another blatantly obvious example of an armchair warrior. I don't doubt he's read material on the subject, but I know for an absolute fact by his tone, his need to boast, and the number of glaringly apparent mistakes he's made today that he's never, ever been a martial artist, or faced another opponent in a fight. You can always pinpoint the redundant liars by their own foul ups. It's a shame for him to be looked down upon.
@TheDarkMikado You think its bragging to state fact? Its relevant to the conversation as evidence and its far better to not have to fight, but I had no choice at the times. One was beaten by cops arrested him after I kicked him in the groin. He punched me a few times, I got in one then nailed him with the kick.other two where bounce in punchs, and the final was the o soto gari and I ground n pounded with elbows and hammer fists. THe top WC guy got his jaw broke in a SF against a newb in EC,NC
Great Explanation and thanks for posting these, they really have been helpful I have been trying to follow the three stick concept, I am a guy thats 5'2 and 125 pounds, so I need the best technique and power I can get and I was wondering how do I get inside and keep all of the power in my punch while trying to keep the third stick soft as a blade of grass?
MrMastadon3 1 day ago
Brilliant! Thank you for these videos on basic technique! I've been studying a lot of videos on youtube to find the information I need to develop in martial arts and wing chun. This is one of the most informative ones I've seen, as well as the one about fist formation. Great work! I look forward to practicing with these lessons in mind.
Homey33 2 days ago
China Boxer: "right?"
Mr. Mackey: "m'key!"
China Boxer: "right?"
Mr. Mackey: "m'key!"
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Mr. Mackey: "m'key!"
Xtremizer 2 days ago
Wow,I heard a lot of "sticks"... Could it be that you philosophize too much? And that you have already been blinded by all these concepts? A wise man once said "It is easy for me to put on a show and be cocky and be flooded with a cocky feeling and then feel like pretty cool and all that. Or i can make all kinds of phony things, blinded by it. Or I can show you some fancy movements...
naldongtisoy 3 days ago
Interesting as a boxer I understand the fundamentals of this punch and the source of power. The punches we use,however, do not come from the, "three sticks" it comes from the second and third stick as you described plus the shift of our body in the direction we are punching and finally the twist of our wrists as we are punching. All of these factors contribute to a serious punch.
akid113090 5 days ago
@akid113090 i agree, both methods can generate alot of power, i enjoy the physics and intelligence of breaking down both types of punches and i'm glad you do as well, take care and peace!
chinaboxer 5 days ago
Now i know why my master told me to practice this punch for 3 months then come back.
lowrider649 1 week ago
This is such a strong punch.. Even stronger when you know a lot of pressure points on the chest/ stomach :)
bladea3 2 weeks ago
Also, how long does it take for someone to be able to do all of this instinctively? I want to learn this beautiful art.
TheCheungo 2 weeks ago
Where is a great place to learn Wing Chun?
kyuubimaster1 2 weeks ago
Could a 13 yr old be able to learn how to do Wing Chun?
TheCheungo 2 weeks ago 4
@TheCheungo of course!
chinaboxer 2 weeks ago
@TheCheungo since it was basically created by a small chinese woman, i'd say yes a 13 year old would do just fine
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@simonmartin1234
I've been kicked by a horse on the sternum. Knocked me clean backwards, left a horse shoe bruise. Hurt but stood up fine. Your stupid chain punch is fantasy.
wingchunisforhomos 4 weeks ago
Man U're good at that
barrosgabriel 1 month ago
to the sternem and colapse the organ fatal hit
simonmartin1234 1 month ago
what
628130212228 1 month ago
great teacher
chaosdarkmage 1 month ago
When his arm is on the side directly in front of shoulder there is no body unity
rjparede 2 months ago
Punch must end in the middle in order to find the line in center of triangle
rjparede 2 months ago
Stupid explanation
dinhanhviet 2 months ago
I agree on stopping the in-fighting about which style is better. I find WC fascinating and Jin Young is an excellent teacher.
RollDdice 2 months ago
39 people got there face broken
IzSy19 2 months ago
Ok...The whole stick thing is just a little creepy... especially if you notice where he's pointing and how who explains it...and I'm just saying if you REALLY want to learn karate... SIGN UP AT A REAL KARATE PLACE... I Swear some people are sooo lazy!!
ShutUpAndLaugh100 2 months ago
@ShutUpAndLaugh100 its not karate.....
sawbuger 2 months ago 2
I see what you're trying to do ;) You're being too obvious, kekeke.
JeeYaoKuneDo 3 months ago
1.You cant move fast using WC stance. Boxers,MT or any other arts is better for steping forward,backward and on sides.It is due to WC un-natural footwork.Best stance for moving around is fencing stance.2.In WC you kep your hands at your chest level.By doing so,you are opening yourself to oponent.You are giving to many uncovered targets for your opponent to aim at.3.Power!Boxers use theyr shoulder and hips more then wc guy.By doing so,they add force to theyr punch,but punch allso becomes slower.
TheBallKeeper 3 months ago
Anyway, I honestly don't care anymore to explain anything. If someone thinks WC sucks, who cares? If they don't, who cares? We should all stop trying to convince each other. A lot of people don't get a lot of styles, not many people are very good at any of them either, so when people don't try or understand and complain, it's their loss. This goes for WC, BJJ, boxing, wrestling, MT, Krav Maga, you name it. Good people get good. Those with poor understanding won't get it. Put it to the test/train
tgreer0120 3 months ago 11
@tgreer0120
2 top comments = instant win.
ProjectAlphaDubstep 2 months ago 2
@tgreer0120 Exactly
BaneKatana 1 month ago
See hawkinscheung . com /html/hcarticle.htm for the background on Bruce Lee, from a real Wing Chun guy (one of the few legit one's in the states). Especially article #4. The guy knows what he's talking about, and helps to explain what it's supposed to mean and how it works (on a very basic, foundation level even).
tgreer0120 3 months ago
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tgreer0120 3 months ago
STRAIGHT NOT DOWN YOU DAMNED IP CHUN WINDMILL PUNCHERS!!
Ankoku15 4 months ago
Hey chinaboxer, im trying to learn the basics of wing chun & i'have no partner to trian with im just doing what i'see you do . do you have any tips or ideas on how i'can be training better ?
cabuta123 4 months ago
Most MMA guys that are pros, as well as pro fighters, take WC to improve their fighting skills. Even the Gracie's told people if they want to be better fighters, to supplement their BJJ ground fighting with Wing Chun. But I guess some anonymous trolls online know more than them, huh? :-)
tgreer0120 4 months ago 16
@tgreer0120 - WTF? What drugs are you on bros? Which MMA fighters take Wing Chun? Gracies were just blowing air up the SIFU's ass. Wing Chun striking is an F'n joke so is most of the training. The only punch I would give any credit to Wing Chun for is chain punching. Its so simple that my little sister can do it. But hey Wing Chun was designed by woman for woman right?
iApna 4 months ago
@iApna, if you can't accept anything someone says that's positive without defaulting to denial & being argumentative, then why waste either of our time by asking me anything & act like I could possibly ever give you an answer to satisfy your question? No matter what, you'll instantly mock anything said & say it isn't true. Who cares anyway? Like I give a damn if you are better or worse at martial arts. What you do (or don't do) doesn't affect me. You're not here being helpful/insightful. Point??
tgreer0120 4 months ago
@iApna, Why would any anti-WC people even be viewing this video if you think WC is such a joke? If you're looking to enlighten people with some legit reason to save them from wasting their time , then do it in a reasonable & civil way by providing proof. People will be more accepting of your alleged insight. BTW, chain punching is HARDLY what WC is about. If you think protecting your center, more efficient movement, using your body to strike/kick, balance & position are dumb, then God help you!
tgreer0120 4 months ago
@tgreer0120 - When someone blatantly lies about MMA fighters take Wing Chun to improve their fighting skills then there is no other way to respond. 99% of Pro-MMA fighters take Muay-Thai for their striking art not Wing Chun. There is no way a fighter who has their health, and upwards of hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line to bet on Wing Chun for their striking skills. To walk into a Pro-Fight with Wing Chun training is suicide.
iApna 4 months ago
I said most good fighters respect WC & many study it. True, I shouldn't have said "most". Most take boxing over muay thai for striking, btw. Of course, *most* are just bar brawler type of people, but I'm talking about one's that are any good. Anyway, qualified people (not you) know WC is worthwhile to study (no one said the only thing to study!), and you're a nobody that just can't accept it. You hold no authority. You're just an anonymous loudmouthed fool online.
tgreer0120 4 months ago
@tgreer0120 - You said "Most MMA guys that are pros, as well as pro fighters, take WC to improve their fighting skills." - Quite the opposite - Most MMA guys 99% of them do not take Wing Chun idiot.
I never claimed to be an authority. Who the fuck is qualified? You? LOL - You're a fuckin joke you bitch. MMA fighters profiles are publicly available. No fuckin fool would train Wing Chun to enter a Pro-MMA fight competition even Boztepe side stepped the UFC when asked to come fight.
iApna 4 months ago
@iApna, when you make bold statements claiming WC is a joke and doesn't work (at all), and then go on to claim that people like the Gracies themselves (who specifically said WC is a very good system) and say the Gracies didn't mean what they said and that YOU know better, that is YOU pretending to be the authority. You're a whiny nobody online that thinks he knows more than experts. More than Dan Inosanto, more than the Gracies. It's pathetic. UFC doesn't prove everything, the fighter does.
tgreer0120 4 months ago
@tgreer0120 - LOL - What were the Gracies going to say to their hosts? That their system sucks? If WC was so great don't you think the Gracie's would have at least put some part of WC in MMA training that represents Gracie Jiu-Jitsu? All that the Gracie's care about is the adoption of their art Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. If WC had any value it would have been included in MMA training by now. After all there are millions of dollars at stake at every fight.
iApna 4 months ago
@iApna, So, you feel confident that you can speak for the Gracies? Every post of yours is more ridiculous in its claims. The seminars the Gracies did, were called "Double Impact", they weren't being nice to their "hosts", they toured together in combination to demonstrate the effectiveness of both. They planned for this and your assumptions are pointless. There's no arguing that BJJ is bad-ass, as is Muay Thai, as is boxing, as is WC. The fact you don't agree, with no experience in it, means????
tgreer0120 4 months ago
@tgreer0120 - If you like Wing Chun thats your thing. But don't go around claiming MMA fighters train in WC to improve their fighting skills, when there is no proof to backup your claim. Its easy for me to say they don't do that because MMA clubs publicly list their instructors backgrounds, fighter profiles, wins/losses, etc...
Go look up the top MMA clubs, the evidence is right there.
iApna 4 months ago
@iApna, indeed, it is my thing, if that's what I do. Why you care so much about what other people do, to be some anonymous troll mocking people that do, shows how stubborn & clueless you are. You shouldn't care if I'm wasting my time, you're not offering insight. I don't care if you lack something either, so you are welcome to think WC doesn't work. Seems like you're just wasting everyone's time. I make things real & put them to the test. I know what works because I do it. You should try that.
tgreer0120 4 months ago
As for MMA clubs, I spar with PLENTY of guys that think MMA means everything, they do boxing, NT and BJJ, and they are good at what they do. But, I walk all over them in every situation. But, I don't blame boxing, MT or BJJ just because they aren't as good, and I'm not saying a good boxer, MT or BJJ can't beat me. I'm saying it's the fighter, and WC is a good art, but you seldom see a good WC guy. Insonato, Gracies, etc. all agree WC is bad-ass, but you can't figure it out.
tgreer0120 4 months ago
NT should have said MT. Anything, there's nothing more to say. People should train and see for themselves. People that have a mind for MA and fighting will understand what can work and discern who is a good instructor to learn from (with any style). Make it real, use it and see if it works against lots of different types of people and fighters. Once you do, you won't need to question it or argue with people online about how it is silly. Things seem silly, until someone knocks you silly.
tgreer0120 4 months ago
@tgreer0120 - Its not about feeling confident in speaking for the Gracie's because I'm not. I am stating a fact that the Gracie's have not included Wing Chun in to their classes, nor have any of the top MMA clubs. Gracie's will tour with anyone to promote their style wouldn't you, if you had the chance? As for you sparring, MMA fighters and you walking all over them, is laughable. Most Wing Chun practitioners I have seen get tired in 30seconds and ask us to slow down or back-off.
iApna 4 months ago
@iApna, a lot of MMA places don't teach a lot of things. A lot of people agree Krav Maga is effective a& to the point, how many teach Krav Maga? I can't think of or find a single one. Do some? Probably, but most do not. Why? Because it isn't designed for the cage. Anyway, you're making excuses for why the Gracies did the seminar tour with a WC guy, but you say you're not speaking for them? WC covers a lot of things other arts do to a point,so that could also be why there's little WC specifically
tgreer0120 4 months ago
@iApna, or perhaps "most" of the WC fighters you've seen tire out so fast and ask you to slow down or back off, just suck as fighters, suck at WC, or just never took it? The fact that a good fighter can be pretty good at ANY style to the point where they don't suck or tire so easily, proves they weren't a good fighter. Anyway, I know what works, because I do it, I train (all of the time), among styles you'd agree with. Only WC are you so clueless about, because of generic UFC attitude. Lame.
tgreer0120 4 months ago
Feel free to think what you want. I'm not going to defend an art that's proven itself to experts in MA, only to have some nobody online argue because they think MMA is the be-all, end-all. Only in a confrontation would you know, and that's if you're any good... and your words here lack enough wisdom to make me think you aren't good, and no wonder you'd not be able to make WC work. Look, martial arts aren't for everyone, some people won't get it. The sooner you accept that about you, the better.
tgreer0120 4 months ago
iApna So, I'm done with you. Nothing more can be said, you have made up your mind. But, that's okay if you lack something and think MMA is all you need to know. Good luck if anyone adds a screw driver to the equation on the street while you try and box and wrestle them to the ground. BTW, that stupid Bullshito WC mocking video was supposed to mean or prove something? I think you must be retarded. I'll leave you to your trolling, I'm not wasting anymore time with you.
tgreer0120 4 months ago
@tgreer0120 - LOL Wing Chun isn't the only game in town for street defence against knives, screw drivers, etc... Although I doubts its effectiveness even in that circumstance. I carry brass knuckles in my pocket and bat in the car. Btw... MMA is much more than what you see on TV and it can include any art you wish to include. Btw.. i have dabbled in Krav Maga which I believe is much more effective than Wing Chun. But hey you can think what you want.
iApna 4 months ago
@iApna, it certainly isn't the only defense. I study weapons and study modern arnis, etc. Carrying illegal items is understandable to defend yourself, but there are better tools that are legal. I very well know MMA is more than what's on TV and cage fighting and their rules. My point about Krav Maga, is that this isn't taught in the general MMA schools either, so you can't judge the effectiveness just because it's not common. Finding a legit/good WC teacher is incredibly difficult, btw.
tgreer0120 4 months ago
@tgreer0120 - With MMA clubs and Thai its easy to find a good instructor because their records are public. Or at least be able to filter out the bad ones. Most times you can watch videos of them fighting and they will have numerous students who are local, national and global fighters. Not all MMA clubs have champs due to the limited fight organizations but thats a good thing. Try to find any practical evidence on SIFU's who claim to be good fighters. Nearly impossible.
iApna 4 months ago
@iApna, I wouldn't disagree with you at all about most "sifu"/kung fu teaches that claim to be qualified aren't and most are a joke and don't know how to fight. No argument there Jin Young in these videos (watch a lot of them when you have time to see the parts where it gets going on the concepts) and understand he's one of the very rare that show anything real. This example is so very basic, as are a lot of his videos, but they do progress. A good WC guy is nearly impossible to find, too.
tgreer0120 4 months ago
Anyway, I don;t disagree that it's a lot easier to find a legit MT, boxing, BJJ guy. It's rare to find a legit WC or even Karate guy. I know that might sound weird, but I do actually understand why most people think WC sucks (but it doesn't). Just no one really does it or knows what they are doing. The few that do are very good, but you rarely to never see that, especially on Youtube. That's why people think clowns like Obasi actually represent WC, and that's sad. Anyway, I've got to get going.
tgreer0120 4 months ago
@tgreer0120 Its not actually rare.There are many good karateka and wing chun martial artist in their own very hometown but not in foreign countries.As for a wing chun man like my self i find it sad that there are only few good master in foreign countries.I'm sure glad that my sifu is a real chinese and a fighter :)
SoulBloodJVL 3 months ago
@tgreer0120 - I don't believe WC is bad ass. Its quite junior in my opinion. My limited exposure to Wing Chun was quite humorous when I took classes for four months far back. It could have been the SIFU, because most SIFU have no fight experience. Its funny when Wing Chun fighters come to our MMA class and tell us at the end "I have wasted so much time training in Wing Chun". The only Wing Chun practitioner that put me on my ass was a bouncer who had a huge weight advantage.
iApna 4 months ago
@iApna, so you think WC is bad, because you only had one WC practitioner put you on your ass? So what if people think they're wasted time, who was their instructor? Who was the "fighter"? Were they a fighter? Were they really any good? Must not have been to complain about their past. It's easy to pick up BJJ in comparison to understanding the concepts of WC, so it's easier for more people. I had a BJJ guy yesterday tell me he USED to think BJJ was all that, when I walked all over him.
tgreer0120 4 months ago
Why would what you think of WC mean anything? I said people that are respected in MA say it is. You must not know MA very well to think it's junior. It's one of the more advanced conceptual arts. You just have admitted you're not a good fighter when you said that someone with a huge weight advantage is why you got your ass handed to you. ANY good style won't favor weight. Speed & strength always give someone the advantage, not mass or weight. But good styles deal with that aspect.
tgreer0120 4 months ago
@tgreer0120 - You can read into my experience with the bouncer however you like. Bouncers are great at steam rolling over people quickly because they do it every single night. But that was the only time he was able to do that to me. I learned quickly how to deal with guys like that.
iApna 4 months ago
@iApna, well, this seems to be all that this debate/argument between us has been--reading into what the other has said. As for bouncers, they are generally indeed just big guys that roll over people with their brute force. That's for the average fool, not to go against trained people. We all know how few people in the world have training, how many did it for very long & how many of those people left that are even any good. There's a lot to all of it, it's all down to the fighter. Goodbye.
tgreer0120 4 months ago
@tgreer0120 - The bouncer who put me on my ass, just came at me brawled, was 30lbs heavier and super strong. He was tired like the rest of them, which is when I capitalized and put him on his ass. Then we put him against an MMA fighter in the same weight class. He had no chance, he shelled up in 30 seconds after receiving hard kicks to the legs and heavy punches to the face. But that's Wing Chun. Oh btw.. I found a great clip for you: /watch?v=v7KxuDYfpSQ
iApna 4 months ago
@iApna, so he came at you like a brawler, but he claimed to know WC? PLENTY of people claim or think they know WC and don't do ANY of it in a fight. What's a BJJ guy that doesn't ever use BJJ in a fight? You think that's someone to use as a reason why BJJ doesn't work? WHO did you train in WC under? Are you a person with a mind for MA? Are you good? I'm sure you think you are anyway, right? You also just said the guy that weights 30 lbs more than you is probably always going to win. Really?
tgreer0120 4 months ago
@tgreer0120 - Btw... I watch many martial-art clips regardless if I like them or not. I don't have the time to train them all, but I do want the ability to recognize the art in case I come across it in my MMA class.
iApna 4 months ago
@iApna, you came in claiming WC is worthless/silly, and you said you watch a lot of MA clips regardless. Regardless of what? You said you don't have time to train in them all, so are you saying you just don't have time to train in WC? Anyway, if you had a clue, you'd know not to judge a style if you've never trained in it. You're just jumping on the ignorance bandwagon because you're ignorant. Anyway, if you think MMA covers all fighting situations, then no wonder you're so clueless.
tgreer0120 4 months ago
@tgreer0120 dont forget ipman and bruce lee
TheSentimental97 3 months ago
@tgreer0120 Wing Chun actually makes a lot of sense in the cage when your back is, you know, against the cage. You don't have a lot of room to move, uppercuts, hooks and crosses require some movement of the whole body that being backed up against the wall doesn't afford. Can't throw that kind of action but you can throw chun chois until your arms give out at that range. It's an easy punch to get the hang of and god help your opponent if you've spent a lot of time practicing pak sao.
RapscallionJones 3 months ago
@tgreer0120 totaly agree with you
jiujitsumigs 2 months ago
@tgreer0120 Source?
yeon723 1 month ago
its not the style the problem is u
Jhoodemcee 5 months ago
That being said, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink, so I'm not going to waste any more time :) I sincerely hope he doesn't test his luck against a WC practitioner, though. We're known for being very patient, and we have a good, keen eye for those we should take it easy on, just to teach them a lesson. But sooner or later he's going to mouth off to the wrong person and end up with some very severe internal injuries, which I don't wish upon him.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
u guys are sexy ;)
ruby117able 5 months ago
this is very heplful, thanks guys.
Jack458111 5 months ago
@MaestroDraven Yup, totally brah
GuitarFisherman2112 5 months ago
So, chinaboxer, I have a question. What part of my fist should connect with my opponent/wall bag/whatever I'm using to train when my punch is complete? I'm starting some training and I don't want to start off punching incorrectly. I'm not sure if all of my knuckles should hit, only part of them, or if it's up to me. Or, if you have a video explaining this please let me know what it is.
dethcreature88 5 months ago
@dethcreature88 You've aiming to land the punch on the bottom three knuckles in your hand. I've just started learning wing chun but that's what they taught me.
domoarigato3000 5 months ago
@domoarigato3000
Welcome to the fold, dude :) You're learning a fantastic martial art. Lots to learn, but just keep your head up and enjoy it. It gets VERY fun.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@MaestroDraven Thanks man, it's not often you get a nice reply on facebook. My biggest problem isn't keeping my head up, it's just being forward facing. I got the softness thing down already, but that's because I'm naturally weak.
domoarigato3000 5 months ago
@domoarigato3000
I don't know if you're talking physically or mentally weak, but either one can be overcome. Physical is well, you get the idea :) Mental is a bit more complex, obviously. Learning Wing Chun is a great way to bring both into harmony while strengthening who you are. For instance, we never EVER train students in Wing Chun unless they've got a good, solid frame of mind, and even then, we never teach the 3rd and final form unless we're certain they're ready for it.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@MaestroDraven Mentally I'm as strong as on Ox, that's an Ox physically. Mentally I don't think the Ox has much to offer. No I just meant that I aint that muscular. How do you gauge a students frame of mind?
domoarigato3000 5 months ago
@domoarigato3000
You can tell who is going to use WC for brawling, and who is going to use it for what it was designed for: ending a fight quickly. WC is extremely brutal and highly dangerous. The straight punch can seriously hurt or even kill someone, not to mention the array of killing moves at our disposal. The third form teaches the most dangerous aspects of WC. Therefore, you'd hate to be the one who taught a loose cannon who ended up killing someone in a fight. Not a nice thing.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@dethcreature88
He's right. Make sure you're striking with your fist moving in an upward fashion so that all the knuckles except your index knuckle strike your target. This maximizes striking power and prevents you from getting a serious injury.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@MaestroDraven Thank you, your help is much appreciated. Now I can start my training without questioning my technique!
dethcreature88 5 months ago
For all of you who say this is usless, didn't you see ip man 2? He beat the boxer with out the ability to kick! Not saying boxing is bad or anything. This was created by a WOMAN who beat up a man in a challenge for her marriage. And quick thoughts on krav maga, I do think it's a good martial art, but it relies on groin kicks a lot. You can learn to defect cheap shots like that.
GuitarFisherman2112 5 months ago
@GuitarFisherman2112
Groin shots don't work against Wing Chun practitioners. The basic stance that you're taught at the beginning of training allows you to catch an incoming groin kick and then use leverage to snap the ankle or break the leg outright. It would be foolish for anyone to try and groin kick a WC martial artist.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@MaestroDraven Let me tell you the main weakness in trapping, ATTACK IS QUICKER THAN DEFENSE. You have to think about what to do, do it, all the while the attack is coming more and more at you. Even if your mind is quick enough, your body usually will not in terms of similar coniditioned fighters. A classic front kick from either linear(Shotokan, TKD, original JKD) or circular(Kyokushin, Goju, MT, etc...) from either leg will wreck you silly.
wiggalama 5 months ago
@wiggalama
Precisely. We'd never let allow ourselves to open up to a trapping. That's why we keep our arms close to our centerlines, and we strike hard and fast. The WC straight punch can be varied a dozen different ways to prevent any retaliation. You're right about the front kick. The WC front kick was designed to be an all-purpose attack/defense maneuver. Circular kicks I have less faith in. Step into their immediate space past the kick, and it's all over for him.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
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@420CESAR91 you say wing chun sucks, but any good martial artist knows to respect every other practitioner and the martial art they practise. you can go on saying how tough you are and how you can easily beat up everyone, but no one will respect you or fear you.
WangCumber 5 months ago
@420CESAR91
Everyone talks big when hiding behind their keyboard, son. If I took you up on your offer, you'd make up an imaginary doctor's appointment, or something.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
Tell Pacquiao he has no power in his straight punch, because he is only using 2 of his "branches" and not 3...Get serious!!
Lee94503 5 months ago
Thats why Bruce Lee used western boxing to make up where wing chun was lacking. Wing Chun punching is good, but not as good a boxing. Tell Pacquiao his straight punch has no power!
Lee94503 5 months ago
@420CESAR91
You've got a lot of growing up to do, son. You're only 21, so I can't fault you for not knowing much about the martial arts.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@MaestroDraven you say wing chun sucks, but any good martial artist knows to respect every other practitioner and the martial art they practise. you can go on saying how tough you are and how you can easily beat up everyone, but no one will respect you or fear you.
WangCumber 5 months ago
@WangCumber
Nowhere did I say that Wing Chun sucks. Please read more carefully next time, instead of embarrassing yourself.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@MaestroDraven sorry that's my bad, i was directing it to 420CESAR91
WangCumber 5 months ago
@MaestroDraven sadly that trolling person already deactivated his account? D=<
WangCumber 5 months ago
@420CESAR91
Now you're just making up stories. You wouldn't last 5 seconds in a fight with a Wing Chun expert.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@420CESAR91
Belts were designed and created for westerners to feel like they accomplished something. No martial art ever cared about belts or status symbols at its core. You're just embarrassing yourself with your lack of martial arts knowledge. BJJ is a grappling art. If you can't grapple, you're finished. We'd never let a BJJ opponent get a hand on us. We have our own locks and bars for that.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@420CESAR91
Train harder and you won't get beaten by a WC veteran next time
MaestroDraven 6 months ago
Hey, chinaboxer, is it advisable to practice with a wooden dummy being a beginner or is it better to wait till Biu Ji is mastered?
vockla 6 months ago
@vockla think of a wooden dummy like a heavy bag, it's no different, it's a great way to practice using your whole body structure when you don't have a partner, so don't wait, use it! - Jin
chinaboxer 6 months ago 7
@chinaboxer Hey China boxer, is it alright if you do a Chum Kiu demonstration? I learned siu lim tao and what not, but I have a hard time with the 2nd form, and consequentially the 3rd form probably/
sickness324 5 months ago
@vockla Don't treat it like a punching bag though, where you blast away at it with full power. I mean you can if you want, but the focus is not so much on attacking it with power as it is to correct your structure. The actual point of using it is to correct your structure and application of the tools in Wing Chun.
fdesa12 5 months ago
On boxing, what most people don't realize is that the boxing gloves itself favors a different kind of punching. It requires more push through, not shock through.
Cruelty1633 6 months ago
Very Good teacher
Jesusjuicerful 6 months ago
Straight forward and to the point. I appreciate your instruction. Thank you.
zacoone 6 months ago
great explanation! Im a self-taught wing-chun practicioner and there is a lot of holes on my foundation... since here at Brazil there isn´t a lot of wing chun gyms (GOOD ones at least), my best option is to stick with videos. Thanks a lot man... wished that u would be my master here
Azfargh 6 months ago
<--subscribed.
gets0m3foo 6 months ago
Wasn't this guy in ip man2?
Matashi911 7 months ago
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guardian8905 7 months ago
boxing + wing chun? :D
yinyangcircle123 7 months ago
@yinyangcircle123 bad idea.. boxing is way diffrent then Wing Chun... you could do wing chun and Jeet Kune Do.. or Krav maga and wing chun
XiownedyouX 7 months ago
thumbs up if u found wing chun from ip man
amitagrg 7 months ago 38
@ZamolxisReborn.
If this martial art is for old ladies then why is it one of Bruce Lee's techniques? Also even if this martial art was first made by a woman. The deal was if she could beat this man in a fight she'd be set free. SHE KICKED HIS ASS. and further more, wing chun fighters are able to react fast to boxing punches.
rlrg808 7 months ago
Hmm, I was after more info on how to actually do the punch. :C
bardoxvideos 8 months ago
Very good explanation . Thank you Sifu Jin
Grafy007 8 months ago
Thumbs up if you paused it to try some punches!
KickAssFan2010 8 months ago
Excellent stuff - thank you
Lexa443 8 months ago
if your forearm is soft, how can you hurt someone even if you connect.
Tony1337 8 months ago
This is really helpful. It really help me understand my punches.
AzureDragon1984 8 months ago
WING CHUN, IP MAN
KCKclub97 8 months ago
This tutorial explains it really nicely. You've got my subscription. I enjoyed it thanks
amastershock 8 months ago
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amastershock 8 months ago
thanks sifu!
favaroarquitetos 8 months ago
i got 3 words for you:
jab
cross
uppercut.
the fourth word is knockout...where you can dream about sticks and wing chun :)
ZamolxisReborn 8 months ago
I got 3 words for YOU:
Kick to groin
head twist takedown
chain punch
The forth word is you're left bleeding and hurting very bad crying like a baby... Point is, no martial art is best. If Ip man was fighting a boxer, boxer would die. If a wingchun guy was fighting mike tyson, the wc guy would die... I personally do MuayThai, BJJ and Karate. You can learn from every martial art, I even use a few techniques from my Taekwondo days as a child in my MMA, so don't close your mind.
GuamKomudo 8 months ago
@GuamKomudo that's very unsportsman-like of you.
clearly, groin is where you go to in a street-fight.
but wing chun is for silly old ladies, sorry.
ZamolxisReborn 8 months ago
That's where boxing fails. Wing Chun is not for a sport, it's for fighting. Wingchun is not good for sports, why? Because it's not a sport. The best moves in wingchun, are low kicks to the groin and knees, eye gouges and throat punches and chops, moves that are against the rules of boxing, and all fights boxing VS wingchun are under kickboxing RULES which is not where wingchun belongs. WC is very popular among chinese street gangs and martial artists, not sportsmen.
GuamKomudo 8 months ago 38
@GuamKomudo i think guns and knives are very popular with street gangs, so i wouldn't say anything bad about them.
this martial art is for old ladies. 'nuff said.
ZamolxisReborn 8 months ago
Guns are not alowed to citizens in China, so any kind of attack on another person is going to be hand to hand combat. Wing chun is the most popular fighting system in south Chinese gangs, you simply have an opinion. You don't like wing chun, so your argument means nothing lol You're just saying, "wing chun is bad because I don't like it" "I personally don't like to sit in chairs, I like sitting on the ground alot more, so chairs are worse then the ground"This logic makes no sense,just opinion
GuamKomudo 8 months ago 2
@GuamKomudo gangs of wing chun practitioners? Is that bad? are they bad people? if so... that's horrible, no one with bad intentions deserves to know proper wing chun. I hope that's not the case and fighting is actually a rare thing that happens. :[ however that's a fascinating culture... no guns, a lot less death's at least.
Cruzifixer 8 months ago
@GuamKomudo Boxing doesnt fail. lol
crabbit87 7 months ago
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@crabbit87
Copypasta'ing GuamKomudo's earlier comment, because the same applies to your comment.
"You don't like wing chun, so your argument means nothing lol You're just saying, "wing chun is bad because I don't like it" "I personally don't like to sit in chairs, I like sitting on the ground alot more, so chairs are worse then the ground"This logic makes no sense,just opinion"
Mistwraith99 7 months ago
@GuamKomudo soooo pretty much wing chungs most effective moves are cheap shots ?
nathan0073 6 months ago
Some of us call it fighting. There's the difference between sport fighting and FIGHTING for your life. Wing chun was created by a girl so she could survive a fight with a man. You act like it's offensive to FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE, which is the concept of arts like wing chun. Martial arts were not originally in a boxing ring, they were created by people who found themself in the situation of needing to HURT other people.Wingchun is NOT a sport,it is a combat system created for harming others badly
GuamKomudo 6 months ago
@GuamKomudo im not downing it , im just saying i learned to give cheap shots in the slums of Miami , no classes necessary.
nathan0073 6 months ago
Ok cool, that's why every single human civilization on earth created SYSTEMS of hand to hand combat AKA Martial arts... Because training is pointless right? LOL Get out of here xD There's WAY more to wing chun than just cheap shots. There is ALOT of physics and human anatomy behind wingchun. Anyone can punch at someone else, doesn't mean you're a good fighter or martial artist.There's a difference between fighting in the slums and actually learning how to scientifically use your body as a weapon
GuamKomudo 6 months ago
@GuamKomudo .Practice does make perfect, but really how many ways do you need to know how to kick a man in the groin and chop him in the throat? Like I said I’m not downing it I’ve taken a few classes of krav maga myself. But in all fairness other then the weapon take away techniques, its all cheap shots. Very effective cheap shots but cheap shots none the less.
nathan0073 6 months ago
There's more than cheap shots in WC too, there's a very advanced system of blocking and parrying that takes years to be good at. WC is not "just cheap shots" it just targets those areas because "cheap shots" in real life fighting are the best place to harm another person which is the point of WC, not points. Stop acting like because you can kick a guys balls you're equal to WC. Boxing is just punches. I can punch too, so boxing sucks. Taekwondo? I can jump and kick too. Martial arts EASY right?
GuamKomudo 6 months ago
@GuamKomudo so here is my question if you take away the cheap shots is it still an effective method for successfully attacking ? based on your previous statement " The best moves in wingchun, are low kicks to the groin and knees, eye gouges and throat punches and chops " you led me to believe not. Any one can add cheap shots to boxing ( or pretty much any other martial art ) if they wanted to. But even with out the cheap shots they are still effective methods for successfully attacking.
nathan0073 6 months ago
Of course it is. If you get hit with a right cross straight up in the face, of course you're gonna be hurt. But notice how boxing goes on and on for rounds and rounds. You act like because I'm saying wingchun is good, you assume that means I think all other arts are bad. This is very wrong and it is the same thing assumed by many. I am very open to EVERY style, and all have things to offer. The best attacks of real life are "cheap" because they do the most harm to human beings I do boxing btw =P
GuamKomudo 6 months ago
@GuamKomudo Im not downing it. People practice different martial arts for different reasons. Ive never said that any martial art " sucks " personally some are not for me but that doesn't mean they suck. every one finds whats right for them. Your statement made WC seem very much like Krav Maga which i personally believe is the most effective cheap shot system ( although i quit that to practice BJJ )i would like to take a few years of WC to understand the philosophy, method, and techniques .
nathan0073 6 months ago
That's cool, I do BJJ too =D It's my FAVORITE martial art and straight up favorite thing to do in my life haha BJJ in my opinion IS the best art, not because it's better, but I like that if you get someone in a hold or lock, you chose how much you hurt that person, you can even give them the choice of giving up! And personally I hate to hurt people. If I could hold someone in a choke and say "Stop, or I'll continue" then I could finish a fight without even hurting them =D
GuamKomudo 6 months ago
@GuamKomudo my boy does bjj and i did mainly boxing...but i did some other stuff too..watched a lot of krav maga....and i fuck him up as much as i can in a friendly way, yea he ends up submitting me but at what cost? if we were in the street id have beaten his face to a pulp, broken his fingers gauged his eyes and hit him numerous times in the balls...beat his head with a nearby rock off my back..maybe cut his neck with a piece of glass? bjj is cool but dont rely on it on the street
Krivaka 6 months ago
So because you're a better boxer than your friend is at BJJ that means BJJ sucks automatically? Most human beings in moder society do NOT have what it takes to "bash his head with a rock" or gouge someones eyes out. My BJJ instructor almost got in trouble for choking out a guy after he was attacked outside a bar. Krav Maga is for life and death, usually for soldiers or body guards... I'm not saying BJJ is the BEST, but I'm just saying if I can win the fight with no one hurt, then that's great
GuamKomudo 6 months ago
@GuamKomudo I don't think I said BJJ sucks...You did...I got news for you man people get hurt in street fights..And if you're out there to choke people unconcious and break arms you should probably be prepared to get stabbed or have someones boys jump in on you...You don't wanna be on the ground in a streetfight..Yea in a 1v1 match BJJ is good if there's no weapons and time is on your side..Most fights are quick and violent..Learn BJJ yes but also learn other things...
Krivaka 6 months ago
I know that, but what I'm saying is IF you could (which it has been done before) I'd rather not hurt anyone. But you're right. One BIG problem I see in BJJ is that if someone has a knife, you DON'T nessisarly want to be on the ground tied up with that person. Like you said Krav is GREAT. I LOVE BJJ, I'm good at it. I don't get into "street fight" situations, it's just not in my life style.But i could get unlucky or something. Then I'd use my BJJ to get up, but try to use my Shaolin kempo or box
GuamKomudo 6 months ago
@GuamKomudo yea that makes sense..BJJ is fun and its good to know..It's my belief that all martial arts feed off each other, each one makes you better at another one..I think the ideal way to go would be to learn tai chi as a base long with savate kickboxing..and throw in some grappling..but you cant go wrong with krav..
Krivaka 6 months ago
The way I see Krav, is that if I lived somewhere crazy, like Israel for instance... I might need it. Krav Maga takes any art out of the martial arts, and simply goes for practical, down to the point, FIGHTING. That's what makes Krav Maga so good, it is not crippled by artistic movements, or tradition, or one way of thinking, it takes the best, most basic, practical techniques and that's all. Krav IS FIGHTING, not an art of fighting, it IS fighting lol
GuamKomudo 6 months ago
@GuamKomudo Yea idk where you're from but I live in Jersey, I've been jumped a few times, had a knife pulled on me once another time hammers were involved...With the downward economy it's wise to know fighting...But as far as arts go, Tai Chi is my favorite it's so calming and balancing..
Krivaka 6 months ago
The way I see it, avoiding conflict like those is an art in itself. Learn to be safe, and avoid bad situations
GuamKomudo 6 months ago
@GuamKomudo Well duh...Can't avoid it at all times, especially when women or kids are involved...The way I see it is you can't replace a good killer instinct, good thing to read human behavior and understand what's coming, and learn how to use what you got..I can't remember the last time I got hit first, I usually am the first to act because I'm good at reading people..
Krivaka 6 months ago
@GuamKomudo Boxing is universal for a reason. Most of the punching and punching targets are allowed in boxing, yet do I see champions or even amateurs using Wing Chun? NO. Precisely cause it lacks power and relies too much on unskilled flurries and accuracy. Boxing originated from street fighting, is universal in all good striking arts somewhere in them, and while lacking by itself still dominates Wing Chun. Low kicking the groin or knees are great, but need power(Shotokan, TKD, MT, Kyo,etc...).
wiggalama 5 months ago
@wiggalama
I missed your comment about boxing and WC. The reason you don't see WC champions is because WC practitioners aren't interested in trophies or glory. Plus, we break too many rules for any sport or competition. WC fights dirty. WAY too dirty for conventional martial arts spectacles.
As for boxing, you're wrong. One of the first lessons we're taught in WC is just how easy it is to take out a boxer. They rely on ranged attacks. That's a gigantic weakness that we exploit.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
As for lacking power, go and get punched in the chest with the full power of a WC straight punch. Your sternum and rib cage will crack and you'll be dealt some truly serious harm. I've seen it happen right before my eyes, and it isn't pretty.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@MaestroDraven Ok, try getting punched by a basic boxer, kickboxer, or shotokan/tkd user, you will see the massive difference in power. And body punches in a street fight are usually a bad idea unless circumstance dictates otherwise, you are better off thrust kicking, side kicking, back kicking, or even roundhousing the body, but your punches are inferior. Your kinetic linking is low, there is no turn and thus no penetration, its surface damage, and where to begin on the acc requirment! :P
wiggalama 5 months ago
@wiggalama
Your obsession with kicks is precisely what Wing Chun practitioners like myself count on in a fight. You tire out quicker and leave your body wide open to attacks. This is basic power redirection and deflection theory. What happens when your side kick is delivered and misses it's linear target? All we have to do is sidestep it while moving in past your knee, and you'll be flattened in a second.....unless we decide to break your leg first, which is incredibly easy.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@wiggalama
Actually.....all the power comes from throwing your hips in a half-turn into the punch. Your knowledge of Wing Chun is ......like your knowledge of physicality......extremely limited. I suggest you do some more research. Anyone who thinks a Wing Chun straight punch is a locked movement that utilizes the arm primarily doesn't know what they're talking about. You've just managed to prove my point even better than I could have hoped for. Don't take risks with your health.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@MaestroDraven Kinetic linking, you draw your power from the Earth and its primarily your bottom, thigh muscles, then the hips, and finally the shoulder, back and triceps with alittle biceps. Your bottom is the main muscle used. WC uses barely any of them, lacking both range and power all the while going for slightly more speed, its pointless. I'll take on any WC no-holds-bar anyday that I am reasonably health wise able to and I will slaughter the fool.Bruce Lee abandoned it for TKD for a reason
wiggalama 5 months ago
@wiggalama
Ummm, Bruce Lee didn't abandon Wing Chun. He had a major falling out with Yip Man and decided to form JKD....which by the way was a series of theories and concepts, not a new martial art. Lee was decimating opponents with WC training very early on. You know N-O-T-H-I-N-G about martial arts, and no..I'm sorry but you'd get beaten and bloodied if you ever fought a WC practitioner. That's just how it is. I've been a martial artist for 20 years. I'm qualified to say you know nothing.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@MaestroDraven 1. I've read his manuals that where assembled and released, all 4 volumes and the Tao, aside from universal Kung Fu ideology, he abandoned WC cause he viewed it as impractical in both the little damage it does and in the arm trapping. There was no real "falling out", he favored TKD ideology, hence the side kick for example. I've done amateur MMA, kickboxing, TKD tournaments, and have beaten 4 people in the street fights I have had, you live in your dream world closed off and weak.
wiggalama 5 months ago
@wiggalama
Yes, there was a falling out. And no, he didn't favor TKD ideology. Jhoon Ree might have taught him TKD kicks, but Gene LeBell taught him some Judo, and Danny Inosanto taught him Nunchaku. His core, principle martial art was Wing Chun, and to deny that is to live in that "dream world" you so speak of.
I can't take anything you say as fact, because you've already made several mistakes about marital arts (specifically Wing Chun) that are simply unforgivable. Sorry kiddo.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@wiggalama
My best advice is not to brag about imaginary fights that you've never been in (If I tell you I'm good, you would probably think I'm boasting. If I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying.: Bruce Lee), and instead actually take some classes. You're in absolute, obvious need of them.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@wiggalama
he who needs to brag is always a liar. Maestrodraven just schooled you
TheDarkMikado 5 months ago
@TheDarkMikado
It isn't about who did what, Mikado. But it is another blatantly obvious example of an armchair warrior. I don't doubt he's read material on the subject, but I know for an absolute fact by his tone, his need to boast, and the number of glaringly apparent mistakes he's made today that he's never, ever been a martial artist, or faced another opponent in a fight. You can always pinpoint the redundant liars by their own foul ups. It's a shame for him to be looked down upon.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@TheDarkMikado You think its bragging to state fact? Its relevant to the conversation as evidence and its far better to not have to fight, but I had no choice at the times. One was beaten by cops arrested him after I kicked him in the groin. He punched me a few times, I got in one then nailed him with the kick.other two where bounce in punchs, and the final was the o soto gari and I ground n pounded with elbows and hammer fists. THe top WC guy got his jaw broke in a SF against a newb in EC,NC
wiggalama 5 months ago