Matthews Calls Bush's Iraq Speech Claim 'Ludicrous'

[Picnuts]

Two. The US and Shaganawania.

[dwarftn1996]

how many countries are fighting in iraq

[LaMouleQuiCoule]

anyone in support of the war should be sent there, in fact anyone supporting the republicans should be sent there

[wcarlpdrysdale]

god bless amarica , and ron paul

[sidewalkpilot]

libertarians = GREEDY

[len1230]

matthews is another ms-bull shit-nbc idiot.off with his head.

[govspysonallchats]

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the myth that the global free market triumphed democratically. Exposing the thinking, the money trail and the puppet strings behind the world-changing crises and wars of the last four decades, The Shock Doctrine is the gripping story of how America's "free market" policies have come to dominate the world-- through the exploitation of disaster-shocked people and countries.

[govspysonallchats]

Ron Pual - Bush Term 3... (NO NEW TAXES, NO FOREIGN INVASIONS) Have we heard this BS before? Yep Year was 2000 and YOU IDIOTS ELECTED BUSH.

Morons go vote for your sheeple party Republican/Nazi

[cosmo1pug]

Thats funny that you think the educated masses that went out to vote (you didn't)

are idiots. LOL You are a ignorant victim my friend and I pitty you. Ron Paul has no chance of becoming president. Not because of some made up conspiracy or plan. Ron Paul won't make it because he has no idea what he is talking about. He can only ASSUME his plan will work when in reality they are way to extreme to be obtained without dire results.

[b9keith]

Republicans vote the way the neocons want them to... Democrats vote to sell us to Mexico, China and other countries... either choice... we loose. The candidates that choose NOT to follow the party line gets shot in the head like those two war protesters in our military fighting "terrorism" in Iraq.

[govspysonallchats]

b9keith: "Democrats vote to sell us to Mexico"

Your implying that mexico has power over our government rofl. Nothing more needs be said ;)

[b9keith]

govspysonallchats - again it appears that I need to simplify my statement so that I'm not misquoted...

EVERYONE has "power over our government" other than US (the majority of LEGAL US citizens)

[govspysonallchats]

b9keith: "EVERYONE has "power over our government" other than US"

Keep watching fox news sheeple :D

[b9keith]

HELP STOP YOUTUBE'S AUTOSPAMMING, reply this this... A Plutocracy is a form of government where the state's power is centralized within a small, wealthy and affluent social class. The degree of economic inequality is great while the level of social mobility within the class system is minimal. This can apply to all of governmental systems, as the key elements of the plutocracy transcend within a pyramid type chain of command.

[govspysonallchats]

Ron Pual - Bush Term 3... (NO NEW TAXES, NO FOREING INVASIONS) Have we heard this BS before? Yep Year was 2000 and YOU IDIOTS ELECTED BUSH.

Morons go vote for your sheeple party Republican/Nazi

[Akyrumunios]

hm... well i would say something is fishy about the white house but we all know that. Why does this thou seem like it's just a piece of the puzzle?

[Djneedle83]

bill maher says kid nation, scarborough country, and margaritaville are three of the countries that support this war.

[SMUGEONE]

chris PUFFBALL mathews,,its obvious hes a leftwinger

[YazDawg]

he's a democrat yes.  i'm a republican and agree with him.

[vrede420]

Please read what the brave soldiers of the 82nd Airborne have to say about the Iraq war in an op-ed first published in the NY Times, Aug. 19, 2007. Mora and Gray have since died and Murphy has been seriously wounded.

globalpolicy(dot)org/security/­issues/iraq/withdraw/2007/0819­aswesawit.htm

Also, read what active duty Lt. Col. Paul Yingling has to say about the war: armedforcesjournal(dot)com/200­7/05/2635198

[vrede420]

I count 21 other countries with troops in Iraq and another 10 having police trainers there, for a total of just over 12,000 personel. Several countries only have one or two people there. 18 countries have withdrawn from the coalition of the bribed and coerced.

[govspysonallchats]

b9keith: "A Plutocracy... elections are fraudulent"

Fix elections, vote for real people and work with what you got or scrap it entirely and deal with the anarchy. Dont vote for the someone who has the same ideologies and promises as the idiot that got us in this mess (BUSH). :/

[b9keith]

Elections being "fixed" is the problem...these neocon warmongers admit that if we don't let them kill "over there" then they will kill here at home... notice the many concentration camps built over the last few years around our country? Anarchy will happen, deal with it...denial will only make it worse for all of us in the long run.

[govspysonallchats]

b9keith: "Anarchy will happen, deal with it..."

Then you are just saying give up hope. I refuse, deal with it.

[b9keith]

Anarchy is the only real hope... you are in denial...

[govspysonallchats]

b9keith: "Anarchy is the only real hope..."

lol if you want to not be governed goto iraq :D looks like anarachy over there ehehe

[b9keith]

Our republic is a plutocracy that misleads the masses into thinking a democracy exists when the elections are fraudulent, the people are deceived by mockingbird mass media and threatened into compliance by armed authorities who tax the people while calling it security, similar to protection given by organized crime and local gangs using extortion.

[govspysonallchats]

Democracy is a process of discussion and debate serving the ends of political, social and economic problem-solving. The discussion process must have leadership that understands the dynamics of people working in groups. The group process demands knowledge of the social, emotional, and intellectual enrichments and barriers in the problem-solving continuum.

[govspysonallchats]

The democratic process must have participants who understand the nature of the discussion sequence from problem to solution and the symptoms of discussion breakdown that call for organized debate to resolve differences and attain the solution. The democratic process must have leaders and participants who, in a vast nation-society, are prepared to have their communication go through the process of mass mediation.

[govspysonallchats]

The United States has not been a pure Republic, that is if you happened to be a white male American, since Lincoln. (Because of slavery, our ethnic cleansing of the American Indians and the absence of Women's rights, we've never been a true republic for all. These policies fall under fascism).

[govspysonallchats]

The blocking of the cessation of the Southern States, a constitutional and declaration right, ended the pure republic and is the first time a President swept the Constitution aside in favor of an agenda.

[RBLA818]

It's his delusion and he is sticking to it!

[scumbauggio]

It's a coalition of the blackmailed, bribed and powerless.

[EchelonMonitor]

Bush is following orders, and the orders are, "Stay in Iraq at all costs!"

The main reasons are to protect Israel, control the oil, and keep the huge profits flowing from defense and reconstruction contracts.

There are 14 permanent bases in Iraq, including 6 mega-bases with everything from fitness centers to Pizza Huts.

THEY WILL NEVER AGREE TO BRINGING THE TROOPS HOME!!!

[dagnitaggart]

Yes, Ron Paul has some interesting ideas, but he's got 2 serious strikes against him...he's Republican, and he's from Texas. A nice state in and of itself, but it brought us GEORGE W BUSH!! ENOUGH, ALREADY!!!

Those of you who support Ron Paul, do yourself a favor & check out JOE BIDEN. You'll like what you see & we can send a message to Republicans that the tides MUST change to save our great nation!!!

[illusionofsafety07]

Dont get caught up in thinking about the "present day republican vs traditional republican" In fact Ron Paul is actually a libritarian whos running for the republican nominee. Hes a truth teller to the fullest extent which is what this country needs right now. Truth about the war, the federal reserve, and taxes. VOTE RON PAUL!

[govspysonallchats]

illusionofsafety07: "Ron Paul is actually a libritarian whos running for the republican nominee"

What he is suggesting is that a corporation like fox news gets a no bid contract like haliburton then charge the government 100 dollars for each load of laundry they get. Privatization is a failure and thinking that "people will just help those who need it" is giving alot of credit to them. Taxing the rich has been the only means to get them to help the less fortunate thus far.

[govspysonallchats]

Mr Paul's idea of pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps is totally idiotic because guess what if you have no arms and legs from iraq YOU CANT ect ect ect ect.

What Mr Paul is suggesting is the same BS thats been shoved down our throat by republicans for years and its always a lie.

You even admit that republicans "lost their ways" BUT THEY DIDNT THEY JUST LIED TO YOU IDIOT! fall for the same stupid crap over and over and you'll be called an idiot plain and simple.

[illusionofsafety07]

whats sad is that we humans feel everyone is a liar. Look at Dr. Pauls voting record in congress, he voted against the war, congressional pay increases, taxes. Hes supported by the wall street journal and has the most military donations of any candidate. There is no room for fallacies in his life. Wake up and lets have a wonderful life

[govspysonallchats]

illusionofsafety07: "whats sad is that we humans feel everyone is a liar."

Actually what has happened is republicans have lied so much and used those same lies over and over that everyone knows mr paul is full of shat. :D

[illusionofsafety07]

so i would like to meet "everyone". Because he dominates the internet over any other candidate. He has nothing in his 26 year record in politics to produce anything other than an honest man. So you may have your opinion, but FACTS do not lie nor do they change course. Dr. Paul is a rare breed of revolutionary and honest change and we just are not used to that, so do not lower him because you have no factual evidence to prove the differ

[cosmo1pug]

Ron Paul doesn't have what it takes to lead a nation. Sure he is smart and has some good ideas. But overall I would vote for John Kerry before I voted for him. OH ya and next time Kerry runs for office he should try running as a man not "because I'm not Bush vote me in" LOL what a joke.

[ultimategoobah]

how the fuck would you know if ron paul doesn't have what it takes? how old are you? have you been in ron paul's shoes? have you lived his life? I honestly think it's an extreme insult to assume that a man with tens of years of political experience doesn't have a clue as to what hes getting into. are you a fucktard or what? don't gimme bullshit like that. I hate that shit.

[mknelson4]

The president opened himself up to ridicule when he started a war against the wrong country. Try George Bush for war crimes.

[EchelonMonitor]

Nazis tried Nuremberg were executed for "waging an aggressive war."

[scarletsneakers]

Glad Chris is coming around, and thank goodness for Keith ~ sometimes he's the only one willing to speak the truth!

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[mattbstl30]

Soooo True!!!

[itsnobody]

Chris Matthews is right, 36 nations, when its really only 2, the UK and the US, the other nations have LESS THAN 5 TROOPS there...

[EuroGermanNews]

Hello, thx 4 upload. Look the Speech of President Bush on my Channel. Part 1 and Part 2. Thanks. God bless the USA.

[Mismagius]

And people call Fox biased... MSNBC is utter bullshit.

[foxdragoon84]

If you think pointing out facts, like the fact that Americans make up the vast, vast, 99.9+% majority of troops and that Bush is clearly playing with numbers, is being biased, then Faux News' bias could not be measured by any instrument known to man.

[TheFobster]

Why isn't the media going apeshit over this?

[drunkdecoy]

because OJ did something which of course is more important then the prez lieing. If your only worried about ratings that is.

[thedonald3]

Chris Mathews demonstrates a HOLY CROSS education down the drain, what a shit bird!!!

[eekdog2005]

The coalition of the "how do i get out of this mess?"

[govspysonallchats]

The Republican Party didnt "LOSE ITS WAYS" They f'n lied to you, ron paul is lying just the same as every single other republican before him...

[thid1]

poor little guy...

[govspysonallchats]

thid1: "poor little guy..."

I just happen to have person evidence that this "black horse" was fixxed up for this purpose. spread the lies if you want i know whats up ;)

[nicholas9999]

govspy: ". . . i know what's up" !! Aha! The truth is beginning to emerge: You alone have some secret piece of info that no one else knows about?? I don't like piling on, but I don't guess you would want to share this amazing piece of "person evidence," would you??

[govspysonallchats]

No i wont share my personal information, thats why its personal :)

If your gona give someone the benifit of the doubt atleast dont fall for the same lies you heard from people like regan, bush1 and bush2. They all said the same thing "No new taxes"(tax cuts) "no foreign invasions" and "smaller government". Heard everything ron paul has said before by every republican before him and it was a lie every time then too :)

[utubesucks2003]

ROOOOOON PAAAAAAUL.. 2008-2016. Funny how Olbermann never mentions him because he's so far left he can't stand the fact that a real republican is the most constitution-minded, pro liberty cantidate.

[govspysonallchats]

utubesucks2003: "constitution-minded, pro liberty cantidate"

And hes the only person in politics that doesnt lie... rofl your a joke :D

[utubesucks2003]

rofl you mean you're?

[MojoJuana]

i dunno...something's up. after all the questionable stunts this bush administration pulled, and pulling, and about to pull...not only they still hold their positions of power but they get to thumb their noses, too. WTF, is the fix really in!?

[thid1]

his vote was for principle. or doesn't that matter anymore.

[govspysonallchats]

thid1: "his vote was for principle. or doesn't that matter anymore."

and everyone tells the truth haha you got to be kidding ;) you are sheeple following a person telling you a bunch of stuff that has been told you OVER and OVER. You even admit it has been lied to you for years but some how "lost" over time rofl. Idiot.

[nicholas9999]

govspy: Here in the real world, we make attributions based on evidence. In general, we give people the benefit of the doubt based on their voting record and the logic of their position. It is not sensible that Paul would be a Dem; he is probably closest to an old-line Republican. If your argument was good, you could get away with being nasty--but your logic is so bad, you should just give up and go away.

[govspysonallchats]

nicholas9999: "Here in the real world, we make attributions based on evidence."

Thats what im talking about tell me a vote he made that actually passed or failed with his vote. A vote he made that made no difference is not a vote that he should stand on as "his evidence" thats bs and everyone knows it.

Evidence thats in the public is republicans lie about taxes, smaller government and invasion of other countries every time and every time its a lie.

[thid1]

Ron Paul 2008

[landsolo]

the reason bush continues to say this bs is because there are still a large number of americans who will believe whatever the idiot tells them and he knows it. last i checked the polls it is about 26-29%. the same group that believes in unicorns, jesus, and leprechauns.

[thid1]

neo-con is not synonomous with republican.

he's never voted to raise taxes.

he's never voted to raise congressional pay.

he voted against the war.

he voted against the patriot act.

he's not like the current "republican" at all. he's what a republican used to be. truly conservative.

do.

some.

research.

[govspysonallchats]

thid1: "neo-con is not synonomous with republican."

They sure as heck go lock step with the neocons for the 8 years of this president, so one of them is sticking out maybe they were setting him up for president?

what makes you so sure he isnt a neo-con besides a vote that frankly didnt even count alone?

[nicholas9999]

govspy: please please don't make embarrass yourself any further in here. " . . . a vote that frankly didn't even count alone?"??? Are you kidding? He votes on principle against a republican measure but that doesn't count? Seriously, you're laughable.

[govspysonallchats]

nicholas9999: "He votes on principle against a republican measure but that doesn't count?"

Im merely asking you for a vote he has made on an accomplishment, aka a vote that actually changed something.

Not a vote that didnt even make a difference that is just a bs vote to stand on and everyone knows it.

[nicholas9999]

govspy: " . . and everyone knows it." You're argument seems to be based on the idea that others' votes count, but Paul's votes don't count, because somehow you know the inside of his head? I'm sure his voting record is public, you can look it up. As I already said, I don't need to be an RP supporter to own your silly arguments.

[govspysonallchats]

nicholas9999: "You're argument seems to be based on the idea that others' votes count"

I simplely said why dont you offer me some "EVIDENCE" that suggests his vote is anything but staged. In other words tell me a vote he made that passed or failed with his vote, not something that would have been the same either way he voted. Thats a false vote to stand on and "everyone knows it". :/

btw i do have inside info :D

[govspysonallchats]

thid1: "

he's never voted to raise taxes.

he's never voted to raise congressional pay.

he voted against the war.

he voted against the patriot act.

"

Every single one of those things were pushed by the REPUBLICAN PARTY and every single one of them PASSED. His vote was for looks only, what changes has he helped to make so far... accomplishments?

[thid1]

govspy,

you seem like an intelligent person, despite the name-calling which makes you look childish.

if you're willing to get a handle on Ron Paul's platform, i strongly recommend the "Candidates @ Google: Ron Paul" interview. (do a search for it here on youtube)

it touches on many of the points you bring up. i'd be interested in your thoughts when you're done.

best,

thid

[govspysonallchats]

thid1: "despite the name-calling which makes you look childish."

Republicans are nazi, fag, moron(bush), demon worshiping puppets... If you follow them you cannot see the forest from the trees.

He wears the name republican he will be placed with them, thats my opinion name calling or not ;)

[patsagainstrats]

Did Queif ever name Chris as "The Worst Person in the World" for sexually harassing Erin Burnett on his Blueballs w/Chris Matthews show?

[govspysonallchats]

If all republicans arent Neo-Cons then why do they march in lock-step with BUSH on every freaking issue. They may let one (Mr paul) step out of line so they have a fall back guy but the rest of them sure dont vote their mind. What makes you think he doesnt lie when ALL the rest of the Republicans Do in your FACE.(BUSH)

[nicholas9999]

govspy: merely voting the republican party line doesn't mean you're a neo-con. did you ever take logic in school??

[govspysonallchats]

nicholas9999: "merely voting the republican party line doesn't mean you're a neo-con. did you ever take logic in school"

Voting for neo-con policies doesnt make you a neo-con?

Maybe it just makes you a liar and betrayer of your principles then? :)

[nicholas9999]

govspy: Still trying to learn logic, are ya, lol?? Let me repeat for you, merely voting the republican party line does not mean you're a neo-con. Read English much?

[govspysonallchats]

nicholas9999: "merely voting the republican party line does not mean you're a neo-con."

Voting with the neo-con ideology doesnt make you a neo-con? then what does, your statement to the public "Hey im a neo-con vote me out next term"? lol idiot.

[dmjarrington]

Voting on the Republican party line doesn't make you a neo-con. It makes you a zombie. Don't vote according to party. Vote according to what the candidates will do for you... Do you need PROTECTION ALL THE TIME or do you need a little slack?... I'm voting for slack.

[GrandeWizard]

I'm voting for Ron Paul.

[HHUUMMBBLLEE]

DUMB AND DUMBER........WHAT LOSERS

[govspysonallchats]

thid1: "every republican excepting Ron Paul."

With a 9 Trillion dollar debt and INCREASING Exponentially his LIE of cutting taxes is not only obvious even if he was telling the truth HE KNOWS there is no way he could ever keep that promise.

As far as spending cutting useless programs is a given DUH. But he wants to cut income tax which would benifit the top 1% rich of the country and HURT the poor people. Its stupid economics not even new ideas!

[thid1]

govspy,

ok, so w/ a 9 trillion dollar dept, we should, what, continue with the same plan? our income tax only pays off our dept to the federal reserve. period. it all needs to be re-worked. Ron Paul is the only candidate with:

a) a plan

b) the balls to speak the truth and get it done.

i AM the poor people. if keeping my income tax means bill gates get to as well, i'm perfectly ok with that. it benefits all of us. clearly. what kind of nonsense are you getting at?

[govspysonallchats]

thid1: "if keeping my income tax means bill gates get to as well, i'm perfectly ok with that."

Then your an idiot because you will have no money and no help.

Would you let your grandparents die because they cant "Pull themselves up by their own bootstraps"? The entire idea of not helping people who are incapable of helping themselves is fundamentally amoral and wrong.

You'd change your tune fast if you were a vet with no legs and no money :P

[thid1]

"then you're an idiot because you will have no money and no help".

is that an argument? if it is, please back it up with something i can actually think about. i am willing.

Ron Paul doesn't want to leave those who have grown dependent on the gov't out in the cold. he would implement a transistion, and give the young a chance to opt out of a system that's going broke. you need to listen to what he says. seriously. do youself a favor. give him a critical listen.

[govspysonallchats]

thid1: "leave those who have grown dependent on the gov't out in the cold."

Thats where you an idiot, my grandparents havent grown dependent they are not able to take care of themselves while in the hosipital if I were to not be there for them they would be entirely helpless.

This is just taking bush's privatization further down the line and totally relying on corporations GOOD WILL to be take care of things that SHOULD be governed.

[AllstonPete]

Better to privatize than lettin' the

government do it

[scumbauggio]

Yes, that has worked wonders - the privatization of our military for instance - just working splendidly.

[AllstonPete]

sarcasm duly noted I'm sure you call a time not long ago when the

the taxpayer (read:government) was spending $600 for

toilets and $70 for nails for the military. That's pretty

cost-effective

[govspysonallchats]

sarcasm duly noted

I'm sure you call a time not long ago when the

the taxpayer (read:government) was spending $600 for

toilets and $70 for nails for the military. That's pretty

cost-effective

[govspysonallchats]

AllstonPete: "taxpayer (read:government) was spending $600 for

toilets and $70 for nails for the military. That's pretty

cost-effective"

Haliburton-Republican-NeoCon No bid contracts is a perfect example of privatization... Thx :0

Im sure that republican ideology works but only in virtual reality for sure not working in iraq :D

[scumbauggio]

and the privatization of military contracts has lead to even more waste and theft - $100 dollars to KBR to wash a single bag of laundry for instance- multi millions completely unaccounted for. All of it still Taxpayer dollars, No?

so - Your point?

[RBLA818]

Well Said!

And the Bush Crime Family does everything to block any investigation of these massive corruptions. Yet they spent Hundreds of Millions investigating Bill Clintons Blow Job!!!!

[AllstonPete]

My point, If done correctly, the private sector can run things more efficiently and effectively than the government

can because of built-in incentives like keeping costs down.Obviously, there can't be no-bid contracts. That flies in the face of everything that free enterprise. It's just that nobody can ever, ever compete with gov't by definition

since there is only one government

[govspysonallchats]

AllstonPete: "the private sector can run things more efficiently and effectively than the government"

Lets trust fox news to run our hosipitals!? ROFL idiot.

[AllstonPete]

what kind of non-sequitor was that?

Please lower yourself to my simple mind and explain to me

what the hell you meant

[cosmo1pug]

Trying to point out ignorance to these simpletons is next to impossible. They are firm in the beliefs other people have tought them. They have no original thoughts and have a hard time fitting into society. I like to pitty them.

[AllstonPete]

"Lets trust fox news to run our hosipitals!? ROFL idiot."

No, I'd rather let MSNBC run 'em

[govspysonallchats]

AllstonPete: '"Lets trust fox news to run our hosipitals!? ROFL idiot."

No, I'd rather let MSNBC run 'em'

I have a better idea, dont allow media to control every aspect of your life (republican ideology) and leave it in the hands of the people you can VOTE OUT!

What your promoting would take away what little bit of democracy we get, your arguement of it being a republic is petty and pointless.

We vote, we have a choice even if its a little one and doesnt always work atleast its there!

[AllstonPete]

It sounds like you're equating capitalism with fascism

(or at least a monarchy)

[b9keith]

Maybe I could phrase is more simply...

Plutocracy follows the "golden rules"... those who have the gold, make the rules

[scumbauggio]

The government has become a front for private corporations - doing their bidding, giving them control of the media in exchange for propagandizing and spin and funneling OUR money into their pockets - seems that the government is redundant already - you have gotten your wish, and it aint workin all that well.

[AllstonPete]

"The government has become a front for private corporations - doing their bidding, giving them control of the media in exchange for propagandizing and spin and funneling OUR money into their pockets" You assume I'm a republican. I'm not. All I'm saying is unfettered big government (or big business) should never be allowed and should always be reigned in I guess the operative phrases are "big" "unchecked" "checks and balances"

[govspysonallchats]

AllstonPet: 'big government (or big business) should never be allowed and should always be reigned in I guess the operative phrases are "big" "unchecked" "checks and balances"'

I agree with you but i think privatization is working away from regulation. When the government is not in control of the money it is using on a given program there is no longer that "check". For example haliburton and fox news :)

[oilygreekpizza]

"When the government is not in control of the money it is using on a given program there is no longer that "check". For example haliburton and fox news :)" I agree with Halliburton and their ilk; I'll even give talk radio on the am dial (totally right-wing) but FOX is hardly has a monopoly on the media (CNN, MSNBC) You probably feel that their right of center, too! And of course, you have youtube

and the internet itself. (The ultimate in media and virtually devoid of government regulation)

[govspysonallchats]

oilygreekpizza: "And of course, you have youtube

and the internet itself."

Two wrongs dont make a right :D

even youtube is going that way at this point, give it time.

[govspysonallchats]

oilygreekpizza: "the internet itself. (The ultimate in media and virtually devoid of government regulation)"

Thats a lie the reason the internet has a wealth of information is because of regulation. Internet neutrality :/

[scumbauggio]

We are well through the looking glass - returning to a situation wherein the citizens have control and oversight as opposed to being treated as pigs at the trough who must be manipulated and decieved (by both business and politicians) would require that the vast majority of those citizens actually pay attention and taking their responsibilities seriously. I don't see it happening. As long as the TV is still on and the drive through still open, people will remain numb.

[cosmo1pug]

Nice comment scumbauggio. It's nice to see a point of view I don't agree with stated with some knowledge behind it. I feel the US is doing very well and its people are among the few that can eat, sleep and be happy. They are mostly ignorant to this fact though you are correct.

[scumbauggio]

And I see that as the problem - equating commodity comforts with freedom and not realizing that quality of life is more than just accumulating stuff and stuffing your belly. The priorities have been skewed in large part by decades of ubiquitous corporate consumer propaganda. Selfishness is now seen as a virtue, the common good is a "quaint" notion. It mirrors the fall of every empire that has ever existed.

[cosmo1pug]

Again great point. Though I don't fit in that description. I try to remain small and humble. Not for religious reasons but those of my own beliefs. I see many spoiled victims in my day to day activities. They don't bother me anymore. When it comes down to one on one conversation I always end up on firmer ground.

[scumbauggio]

I also live simply by choice - but I was addressing the cultural and political zeitgeist. No matter how an individual chooses to live, we are all on the same sinking ship. Maybe a few of us will make it to the lifeboats, but it looks like they have been reserved for the first class passengers and crew.

[cosmo1pug]

I have to disagree on the sinking ship. America is stronger day by day. We have just secured our future fuel supply and are laughing at China's outrage. They wanted it and now we will sell and prosper instead of cheap terrorist. Sure we have problems but I believe we are and will continue to be the stable force in this mixed up and sometimes violent world. Have a Happy Christmas and Happry New Year scumbauggio. I enjoy your comments.

[scumbauggio]

I will agree to disagree about that and whether or not anything has been "secured" for or by "us", and wish you a happy whatever you choose to celebrate.

[costy1511]

"continue to be the stable force in this mixed up and sometimes violent world"?

That is an uninformed statement! Here's some names for you: Noriega, Pinochet, Saddam Hussein, Shah of Persia, Salaza of Spain, Suharto, Halie Salassie (Ethiopia). All dictators within their countries and all either backed or installed by the US. They all committed atrocities on humankind that is both unforgettable and unforgivable.

When and where does this "stablising" influence come in to play?

[ultimategoobah]

you're a fucking idiot. read some chomsky.

[nicholas9999]

govspy: calling paople names totally invalidates any argument you are trying to make. If you can't mount a reasoned argument, go away.

[govspysonallchats]

nicholas9999: "calling paople names totally invalidates any argument you are trying to make"

Thats fine they are still republican nazi homos ;D

[govspysonallchats]

Bush is the republicans best and brightest for 8 years. I dont care who you vote for but dont vote for another freaking IDIOT republican jerk, whos ideologies have been proven WRONG in namely IRAQ.

[thid1]

every republican excepting Ron Paul. If you don't know his platform, do yourself a favor and check him out. he's the anti-bush.

[govspysonallchats]

thid1: "every republican excepting Ron Paul"

Hes running on the same BS every other republican (INCLUDING BUSH) has run on. 'NO NEW TAXES' 'NO INVADING OTHER COUNTRIES'. Bush said the same exact bs and he was a liar just like Mr Paul. Get a clue freaking sheeple.

If Mr Paul is so wonderful and great why hasnt he been kicked out of the Neo Con Circles? Easy HE IS ONE OF THEM!

[thid1]

research his voting record. he's not at all like any of them. no new taxes? how about dissolving the IRS, and getting rid of the income tax completely? ending our relationship with the federal reserve, and getting back to a hard currency system? he's no neo-con, fella, he's a true constitutionalist.

sheeple? do some research, pal.

[govspysonallchats]

thid1: "he's a true constitutionalist"

Constitutionalist? Republicans are the only ones ive ever seen trying to get rid of the constitution man, i dont see how that makes him unique till HIS OWN PARTY came along trying to f everything up now they are running on "IM GONA FIX WHAT WE DID" rofl idiot.

[govspysonallchats]

thid1: "he's(Mr Paul) no neo-con"

Then why is he in their party? That should raise your interest even alittle bit rofl unless your the sheeple of course just follow what ever alex says.

I agree with alot of what his says till he started with politics then hes just some guy from texas :P

[dhgmust]

Being a Repbulican — that alone opens someone up to ridicule from Chris Matthews and Keith.

[landsolo]

being an idiot who has done NOTHING right, and continues to lie to the American people opens GW up to ridicule, not just being a republican

[eirefrance]

Can I ask you a question? When Republicans claim that the small problem of voter fraud requires disenfranchising a whole segment of the population that wouldn't vote for them, is that a problem? I agree, our society is polarized and its hurting the country as a whole, but are you interested in doing something about it, or just pointing out how disingenuous the Democrats always are, especially when it concerns the ture and honest Republicans?

[ultimategoobah]

basically, they created a game... Life is no game, but they made it one.. and now it's backfired on them. the country might go into civil war, not because its genuine, but because they made it that way. you cant toy with nature friends, because life isnt a campaign, its not a game, its an experience. and the whole experience is inevitable.

[eirefrance]

Who is 'they'. Do you mean the media? The democrats? The republicans? The citizens of this country? If we go that far it will be because of all of those groups. Anyone who says "liberals are idiots" or "conservatives are idiots" is part of the problem, so just make sure thats not your approach.

[ImperiusRex]

I don't think it's necessarily "ludicrous" to include all of the nations who give support when talking about the war in Iraq, but I do agree that when Bush's speechwriters write it they do it with the intention of misleading people.