Israel is a state that was offered by the west and the British occupying forces to the Zionists , while the most of the 600000 Jews who were there at? the time were migrants , and although the Arabs did not accept the partition plan , theirs was a voice in the wildenes , the voice of the people who lived there for? centuries was ignored , israel was imposed on the palestenians and the neighbering countries ,,,, for me , this is a war decleration , this is the root cause of the problem
Judgement from the Lord is upon the USA , People and nations for whom have divided HIS HOLY LAND ISRAEL, For the USA has divided his Holy Land, Israel into pieces under the US Foreign Policy for Israel. The Lord said, "ANY PERSON OR NATION WHO DIVIDES MY HOLY CHOSEN LAND SHALL BE JUDGED. GOD is the ruler over ALL things, for who is able to be fight against the Lord whom is all powerful, for GOD shall do as his Word says, for he never lies, Satan is the Liar, I suggest that you ALL repent.
Between the Phoenicians and the jewish tribes, to the Roman expansion, the Persian expansion, the Ottoman expansion, the British expansion, etc, the Arabs have actually lived for over a thousand years in that small part of what was Israel.
Far as I'm concerned, Israel was dispersed thousands of years ago, but jews didn't live there for thousands of years. They did for less than that. This is not before Canaan eras.
It's against Judaism to return to the holy land without the Jewish Messiah, until then, Jews are to live in exile according to the Torah and Talmud. And Zionist leaders were not Jews by blood, they were and are EUROPEAN-Ashkenazi, so they are not of Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob. They are PHONEYS. See Rev. 2:9.3,9 See also jewsagainstzionism[dot]com
Personally, I think that if Palestinians have a problem with it, they should buy or rent houses of their own in those settlements (if they're not allowed to, they should be). If the settlements are an obstacle to the two-state solution then that's okay because the 2-state solution is a joke. How can a spit of land only 40x10 kilometers big be an autonomous state? How can another tiny spit of land be one either if it's split by a confusing spider web of checkpoints and apartheid walls?
peace talks HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! i got a beautiful piece of land for sale in Florida for a very good price...............
right, right, because before israel built settelments there was a huge wave up peace with over 7,000 israeli killed in 20 years. oh, and "US walfare" gives israel only 600,000,000$ in cash each year, wich is peanuts compared to israel 250,000,000,000 economy.
Israel needs to get the f@#!% out and stop the genocide., how the world stands for the blatant war crimes and criminal actions to go on is way beyond me... crazy isnt it?
@witecracker2 yes, genocide. with 25,000 people dead in 63 years, its a really slow one don't you think? i mean twice as many dies on US roads each year, and that isn't a genocide is it?
@TheMideasttruth well ok genocide is an extreme term. lets try serial robbery, and killings for land grab...ok lets not forget their idea its ok to kill innocent people for no other reason except they enjoy it,...same as American leaders... one big club of sadistic killers,...
@witecracker2 right, right, killing for land grab. that is while israel is stronger than all of its nieghbors combined, and still no invasion for land up to this very day. and killing innocent people for no other reason beside enjoyment is kinda weak considering israel actually calls civillians and drop leaflets to tell them to leave the area in a war. kinda kills all the fun, don't you think?
@witecracker2 oh, and israel having the smallest rate of non-combatent kills in a war on the entire history of warfare in populated areas (during one time, 1 dead civllians for every 29 combatents killed vs. 1 dead combatent for every 30 civllians in iraq. the israeli rate is 1\870 of the american rate) is kinda strange too, considering what you just said. and having no civillan casualties while the enemy is using humen shields just doesn't make sense. /watch?v=W0wvcusBRys
@occupationarmy nope.....Israel is the land of the Jews.....that is their land.....it is just after 70 A.D. when the roman empire attacked Israel that the Jews lost their land.....Israel is for the Jews and for the Jews Only.....Israel is the promised land of GOD for them...
@athrun98 You are correct about that. The Jews have been there since ancient times. The story of the Palestinians does not begin until 636AD when Arab armies seized the land from the Byzantine Empire. However, they cannot be simply thrown out of the area.
Israel sees the building of 1600 homes in jeusalem more of a priority than constuctively finding a way to peace Says it all this country doesnt want peace
This feeling of historical entitlement will bring nothing but misery and suffering. California , Colorado , Texas and couple of other states used to be Mexican. So now according to the logic some Israelis on this forum are presenting Mexicans have a right to kill inhabitants of those states and take over, right. And after they do that the Native Americans are entitled to kill them because after all it used to be their land. This way of thinking leads nowhere.
"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they, the Palestinians defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion First Prime Minister of Israel (1938 Speech).
"ARabs are stealing oil and natural resources from other countries"...uhm no they're not...The oil is on their land...So how are they stealing from other countries....?
why Jews should be allowed to resettle areas in which they didn't live in the years preceding the 1967 war, areas that were almost empty of Jews before 1948 as well. But why didn't Jews live in the area at that time? Quite simple: They had been the victims of a three-decades-long ethnic cleansing project that started in 1920, when an Arab attack wiped out a small Jewish farm at Tel Hai in Upper Galilee and was followed by attacks in Jerusalem and, in 1921, in Jaffa and Jerusalem.
In 1929, Hebron's centuries-old Jewish population was expelled as a result of an Arab pogrom that killed almost 70 Jews. Jews that year removed themselves from Gaza, Nablus and Jenin
Many people insist that settlements are illegal under the Fourth Geneva Convention. But that convention does not apply to Israel's presence in Judea and Samaria and the Gaza district. Its second clause makes it clear that it deals with the occupation of "the territory of a high contracting party." Judea and Samaria and Gaza, which Israel gained control of in 1967, were not territories of a "high contracting party." Jewish historical rights that the mandate had recognized were not canceled.
Good idea Johnny...Thats all the US have to do..stop funding their bullshit untill they stop building settlements. That's how easy it is..I'd vote you for president any day
@athrun98 - Germany is for Aryans, not Jews. South Africa is for whites, not blacks. But as powerful as they both were, ultimately they lost. White europeans, imposter semites, give back the land.
The Israeli Government is not ready nor want Peace Now. Timing is of essence to build more Settlements in order to divide Palestinian lands. That is why is they are dragging their feets for peace. Only by ending US aid to Israel will force them to stop building illegal settlements. Where in the world today in this world recession they are building so fast with free taxpayers money. Only in Israel. Enough.
I have noting Againedt jewish people but the ones in Israed thats another story. It was the Palestinen's land first, I personally blame England for this whole mess.
Palestinens land first! lol. Abraham, Isaac and Israel was there first there was no Palestinians you are not the same as the Philistines you are dumn poor arab.
Hmm... Dude, Your Canadian you people think your better than American don't you. Your just like the Rest of the ones I talked to. You think am Arab, Haha. Now that is funny. Am White dude... you know Caucasian. well you seem dumb so you more and luckily don't know. One thing that no one knows Abraham, and Isaac could of been Arab we don't know.
you know, the only reason why theres so much hate against jews is cause they clam to be a race that was made up, if israel just stoped calling themselves jews stoped migrating to other peoples lands and just stoped there penisy way of thinking, im sure everbody would stop being so raciest. after all they are european descent aka anglo saxon, its time they started relizing there no diffrent than arabs, except for there hate against all other races and there need to control the world with money
ive done my research on the jewish race, a group of nomadic people that lived in europe and migrated to russia and germany. Originaly they were not even called jews until hitler named them as such. But I believe that truth will only be met once all the nations recognize that israel was a nation created over a subsisting already vibrant nation, palestine! and its doing nothing positive for the region except stir up anger. In a just response anything that creates hostility should be removed.
Nothing positive? Jews account for over 60% of modern inventions (including the computer you're using). Jews have developed the land and industrialized Israel far better than any shitty arab nation. All in just 60 years. Be thankful for their existence because without them, this world would be technologically inferior. E=mc2 >>> (JEWISH THOUGHT)
One of the ways to solve this issue is to ask that the iranians stop pursuit of having a WMD. Only and if only, the jews destroy there nuke arsenel and comprimize on only possesing the land they already have, instead of expanding. If the jews disagree, I think it would be totaly fair that they be striped of there land because they are a threat as well, they provoke the surrounding area into destructive emotions. It may sound unreasonable but this is reason 101, no bias, just honest justice.
Quit your fake black talk, everybody wanna be black, but if you looked back at ya history lil jew your not really a jew, your a ancestor of a white, black, and arab family who found himself in russia/gemany who claimed to be a decendant of a wondering race, once you settled in britain they told you to leave but since you couldnt they invaded some land for you to move, but now the palistinains want you to move to. An for your info Blacks might be the real choosen people, so refrain from imitation
and another point its proven that the first eygptians were black, nubian until arab races invaded and thats when the whole story of moses/musa took place, and in the quran it states that one of the miricles was his hand turning from black into white, As a muslim I think that both sides are ignorant and incoherent, except obama, that being the jews who stupidly have nukes while living right in the middle of the enemy, and the muslims for not just allowing them to have the land.
ha ha ha, blacks cant be jews. anyway Israel be running you lil homies all day ya stand me. We da best, Israel got all you lil homies shook ya stand me, we be robbin arab money all day ya stand me.
WHY do we stick up for these people...they should learn to fight their own battles. They want to build more settlements than let them fight it out on their own.
I believe the settlements should stay. The Arabs are occupying Jewish land. They have for the past 1400 years, with that lunatic muhammed, oh sorry pbuh, yeah right shit be upon him
"isreal" has been the most fought for land in history, you cant say its been your land for 1400 years, in this day and age you cant say that a book says its yours, i don't care if your religious or not, open your eyes and stop being a slave to religion, its used to control you and manipulate
smart ass, maybe north America should go back to the Indians and half the middle east go back to turkey...you cant say that it was once yours thousands of years ago, its stupid, you can argue it belongs to the Christians or Muslims as well because we came from jews....so we we're once "suppose to be there" stupid religious people make me sick
Wooh turbo chill out, look Yisrael is the land that the Jews gained through their inheritance from Jehovah. Through the covenant of Isaac and Abraham. A true biblical fact. Know you say religious people make you sick, good for you. You seem like an individual who has no faith. So its probably a good idea not to say anything about religion, if you know nothing about it. Know you say N.A. should go back to the indians, how can it? You talk about the Ottoman Empire, that was the worst
well how can the UN just give isreal back to the jews? its the same thing....i have jewish, christian and muslim family that i love, but i do disagree with all of them, i do know a lot about religion, maybe not the specifics, i know that you cant have world peace with different religions, its stupid
The reason the U.N. gave Israel to the Jews was due to the fact that the U.N. at the time was mostly Judeo-Christian, and knew the Bible, which promised the Jews there own land
which is stupid once again, because you cant base such things on a book, especially one that dosnt go along with the one that your taking the land from, just like hitler truly believed jews should be killed, does this make it right?
Time for everybody. Look Christians come from Judaism, but Muslims dont. Islam has nothing to do with these two faiths. Muhammed may have said nice things about Christians, but he had nothing to do with us. His revelation contradicts Christianity, and Judaism. So to put Islam in the same sentence as Christianity or Judaism is blasphemy
ok go read another book, but all three religions have strong roots in isreal, but religion is stupid anyways, and if karma was true and good people would be blessed, then why does George bush make millions and poor african kids who prey every day die of hunger? what a joke
Look dude most of Africa is run by warlords, or dictators who can give a rats tail about there own people. Second God looks down on this earth with shame, due to corruption, sexual immorality, everything abominal to him. Sooner or later God will destroy this earth just as he has done in the past
well thats your opinion, i respect it but dont agree with it, just as i respect my parents being muslim and christian, but i dont agree with them...what you cant argue is that if you lived in a place, and someone one day came and said it is no longer yours, you would be frustrated, this is a fact that you cant argue, religion you can argue
I love how they use the word stumbling block. I tell you if today the stumbling block is settlements, then tomorrow it will be Tel Aviv. Of course there will never be peace here anyways since no one will ever cave in on Jerusalem. Any agreements without Jerusalem are worthless and I will tell you as a proud Israeli settler, we are for sure not ever giving in on Jerusalem so there just won't be peace. Jerusalem is, always was, and always will be the eternal capital of the Jewish people.
i hope those jews know that in 5 years the houses or going back to the palistieans cause lets face it our arab population is growing 10times faster than yall and thats whats realliy scaring the jewish government
Islam, sex with children, read Surah al-Baqarah (2.228) here is the Scholar Ibn Kathir's explanation of the verse:
The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause. This is the meaning of His saying;
[وَاللَّـتِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ]
(and for those who have no courses...)
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The young, who have not reached menstruation (girls as young as infancy!)
I love it. Every guy like insomniacsara once in awhile goes through explanation that he has nothing against jews and even befriended them on couple occasions. He just hate in particular ashkinazi and/or Israeli and/or Zionist and/or Marsian (poor jews from Mars). Surely his Jews friend also shares such feeling. Welcome to the club. You recognized as humanist, openminded, smart person. Feel great. As long as something inside you make you write such post you still human.
And it seems in every reply you start a new topic which I have to shift gears to. Well, in response to this, yes I openly admit I don't like Israelis and Zionists (whom are both the same thing) because they represent a new concept of Judaism that is similar to that of radical Islam. Ashkinazi Jews are not confined to one nation or territory such as Israel, so they are irrelevant, and their beliefs regarding Israel may vary, so it is unfair to judge them as whole.
Sorry for hard time :). Most Israeli are not religious so you cannot say that they represent new concept in Judaism. The most radical Judaism claims that Israel is unholy country. Since it was recreated by human will not the G-d action.
Oppss... (I can give you references).
The truth is that today perception of Israel, Jews and Palestinians very different from what was 1920-1948. Today solution cannot be driven from that source.
Ok so if you openly admit that Israelis are not religious then why do you keep nagging that they jews should have a homeland? (who are not really jews like you said?)
Condi, maybe if you stopped candy coating everything and smiling they'd listen to you... oh and just withhold their allowance for a month. Americans don't understand that THIS is why the fighting never ends.
Emotions fly so high when it comes t the Middle East conflict-the only way we(arabs) and the Israeli jew move on if we try to let go of all the anger and misery we have harboured for centuries and let things go and talk to one another and try to educate ourselves about one another instead of swearing at one another
The sad point that all these hate is not even 100 yrs old. Once WWII was over it took Germany and France less than 10 yrs to start future EU. Preaching of Hate and Nationalism must me prohibited in Middle East. It make scense that Israel and Palestinian News, School curriculum, University classes will be censored by UN.
1. Isreal isn't going anywhere. learn to live with them.
2. Isreal: Stop building more settlements you morons. If you ever want to have a stable and peaceful state, you neeed to pull out of the occupied zones.
ha ha ha no wonder why Hitler crushed them who crushed hitler ha ha ha LOL but hitler was only 1 death ha ha ha and well opps ! no comments Viking shhh!
Anyone else ever notice that ALL of the Israeli spokespeople are women whether it's the govt' or the IDF? I think it's just a ploy by the Zionists, so any tough questions or criticism from the international press can go unanswered and be dismissed as "sexism".
Palistinians claim all of Isreal and same goes for Isreal. This land has always been up for struggle from the beginning that these two nations met. These borders will be hard to set in stone, harder than any other place in the world.
Oh god...the two most internationally distrusted women in one video, Zippi Livni and Condi Rice. I think we can all agree that, although the Israeli settlements are a big problem, there is so much more Israel owes to the Palestinians that these settlements seem trivial to the "peace" process. How about bringing back all the innocent people the Israelis have slaughtered? We all know that is impossible hence peace with Israel is impossible.
Exactly!! Or what about all the land that Israel has been occupying since the 1967 War? They annexed that land illeagally according to the UN but yet they are given full rights to own that land.
On youtube it may seem that alot of people are pro-israell. But in the real world Israel and America are the 2 most single hated countries..and as an American I accept that. Stupid ass Bush and Israeli's Peice of SHIT GOVERNMENT!!! More like REIGEME!!!
Hahahaahaha are you kidding? It took the land illeagally ofcorse it ought to give it back. The palestinians were only doing what they knew was right and resisting a Jewish Israeli takeover of there land!!!
Why hasn't Israel returned the land from the 1967 war?? That belongs to palestine as well!!! Israel is a peice of shit state and as a European born im glad the jews went to Israel...they only caused tension and trouble in Europe for hundreds of years!!!!
You might wanna do some research before you run your mouth.
The 67 war was forced on Israel. Google "six day war the entanglement theory" and read about the Palestinian terrorist attacks from the 60's. Find out what the "Palestinian" Arabs did when Syria, Egypt, Iraq and finally Jordan attacked. It is truly a miracle Israel survived, and if you are religious - this should be a sign.
The land is rightfully Israeli. Period. You'll get over it.
And the Jewish Israeli state was forced on an indigenous Palestinian population in 1948 when the vast vast majority of them were not Jewish. You do realise that it was the Jewish settlers that introduced acts of terrorism to this conflict.
A miracle you survived? Give me a break Israel was supported by the biggest states in the Western world whilst the Arab states were barely independent from their colonial superpowers, with little military warcraft and absolutely divided.
Fact #1: The lands in which the Jews lived were purchased by Jews already in the 19th century.
Fact #2: The Jews should have gotten a much larger land if the Arabs would not riot.
Fact #3: ALL nations turned Israel down, while Russia supported Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Jordan. True, the Israelis perfected their old fashioned weapons, but that's because they were smart and the Arabs retarded.
You deluded fool, Jewish land ownership in Palestine in the 19th century was in the single digits percentage wise.
"All nations turned Israel down" - Give me a break! The US had admitted to being on "standby" to defend Israel and in the years leading up to 1967 France and Britain absolutely armed Israel to its delight.
You are really selective with your words, you should have written that it was Israel by itself but armed by the major military powers of the world.
This is no David and Goliath story but mere military strategy against an absolutely inept and divided Arab world. You count the Arab world as one homogenous grouping, you dont mention Jordanian secret negotiations to stifle the Arab war effort if Israel gave up the West Bank to them.
the Israeli military was outnumbered on all fronts and in all services. Israel could field a total strength of 264,000 soldiers; this included all the reserves, and could not therefore be sustained for any length of time without destroying the economy. Facing them were 525,000 Arab soldiers. Israeli tanks were outnumbered by more than three to one: 800 Israeli tanks faced 2,424 Arab tanks. Israeli air force could field 350 aircraft, outnumbered almost 3 to 1 by 939 Arab aircraft.
While the Arab countries continued to receive vast quantities of weapons from their traditional suppliers - the Soviet Union, Great Britain and, to a lesser extent, the United States - Israel's main weapon supplier, France, without warning slapped an arms embargo on Israel; so did the USA. Little wonder that while the entire Arab world, led by the Egyptian dictator
The Israeli military was outnumbered on all fronts and in all services.
Abdel-Nasser was proclaiming its forthcoming triumph against Israel and proudly trumpeting the imminent annihilation of Israel and the massacre of all her citizens (the Jewish ones), Israel was preparing to fight for her very existence, and projecting - in a best-case scenario - up to 50,000 dead, if she survived at all. Plans were made to turn national parks into mass cemeteries, even as schoolchildren were given canvas sacks and started shoveling sand into them to defend their homes.
"France, without warning slapped an arms embargo on Israel; so did the USA" - You conveniently do not mention arms trade between Israel, USA and France in the lead up to the 1967 war.
Do you seriously expect me to believe that at any one time 525,000 Arab soldiers were fighting against 264,000 Israeli soldiers? These figures above are gross figures of what each respective state claimed to have and not what was deployed in the fighting.
I can tell you right now that if 2424 Arab tanks were directly up against 800 Israeli tanks Israel would not have won. Your numbers are just that.
You are right Israel managed to strike them one after another. This is one of the best campaigns in recent history. Arabs always had enormous advantage in numbers and often quality of equipment. But IDF was much better trained and had by far better commanders. Read wikipidia if any book on modern Warfare. Numbers often don't matter chk: Battle of Thermopylae 480BC ~1000 Greeks hold > 100,000 Persians.
You're an idiot and an absolute disgrace to Europe for you to think that Jews in Europe only brough "tension and trouble". The scientific, cultural and technological achievements of Jewish Europeans is prolific.
Its a terrible blight on Europe that another innocent people, the Palestinians, are struggling for survival because of a war they had no part in.
"No country conquers land and gives it back" - HELLO! Netherlands! Spain! Portugal! Britain! France! Italy! They all conquered and gave land back!
Let me get this straight, if I steal something by brute force but then give it back that makes me "compassionate". What a f*cked up moral fibre you have!
Here we go, you're asking me a politically loaded question with a careful selection of words, what you should really be asking is when was there an Arab nation state over Palestine. There was none, just as there was no Israeli nation-state before 1948.
As for Arab sovereignty over that land, need I remind you of the Islamic empire. And that there has been an Arab connection to this land that pre-dates the majority of European states and their modern populations, including my own.
"Islamic empire" and "Palestinian" sovereignty are too distinct things.
The last "Israeli" sovereignty was under the Kingdom of Israel, but the last "Jewish" sovereignty was under the Hashmoneans. Jews have been living in Israel continually, while the current Arabs migrated not long ago (it's a matter of dispute when, but there was certainly no "Palestinian People".
You're an idiot, you asked when did the "Arabs" have "sovereignty" over the land & I wrote during the 7thC and now you are arguing that you meant Palestinian!
Quite frankly I dont give a fuck about history because the truth of the matter is that there are millions of Palestinians in the world today. Your history does not cancel theirs!
"Arabs migrated not long ago" - Give me a break! Arabs have been in Palestine longer than the vast majority of European states and their modern populations!
Oh yes "Eurabia" - give me a break! You do realise that only about 3% of people in Europe are actually of Arab descent.
You think that if you rile up the Europeans to believe in the threat of the Arabs that we will begin to sympathise with your illegal occupation of Palestine! Grow up and take your paranoia somewhere else.
I dont understand your point, do you want me to build a bomb shelter and cocoon myself because of a group of people that do not even represent a significant cross-section of the Islamic community in Europe.
As the situation with Nouredine in Portugal also suggests, I am well protected.
Legal or illegal occupation is irrelevant. Germany and the rest of Europe had much more issues after WWII. But in 1954? Germany and France laid down agreements that lead to EU. Yep. Germany lost lots of land but in 50 yrs few really care. Another 50 yrs... I do see hate as the main problem for peace between Israel and Palestinians. Try to explain HAMAS persistent rocket attacks that bring no military gain but provoke IDF retaliation. Try explain HAMAS TV programs.
"Germany lost lots of land" - They didnt lose almost 80% of it! And if millions of Germans were scattered across Europe I am sure it would still be an issue!
"Explain HAMAS persistent rocket attacks that bring no military gain" - Explain Israel's continued expansion of illegal settlements! Do you think there is so much hate in HAMAS because they are bored? The majority of them are refugees that have been denied their freedom, identity and history.
In France, Belgium, Czech, Poland, Russia are huge German enclaves. Still nobody fires rockets on daily basis. Germans accepted new reality and moved on. In 50 yr borders almost disappear. Palestinians never accepted 1947 resolution and authority over this land. BTW They didn't have any authority before 1947. Just number of settled and semi-nomadic tribes lived here under different rules. Today they hijacked by HAMAS that imposing suffering on own people and using it for bargains.
That's obvious. There is no political opposition which makes a settlement an invasion. Don't undermine the political rights of the Palestinians in their own country. And please the fuck out of there.
skvtube That's obvious. There is no political opposition which makes a settlement an invasion. Don't undermine the political rights of the Palestinians in their own country. And please get the fuck out of there.
Are you retarded or something, the German state did not lose 80% of its land after WW2 so quit comparing it to this specific conflict. This is a conflict unlike any other, do you not have the intelligence to examine it on its own merit?
"Palestinians never accepted 1947 resolution" - Listen you loser, would you accept a resolution that gives the minority of people the majority of land! It was simply unworkable.
Check UN. In 1947 Jews got 56%. The rest was lost in sequential wars. Again. Palestinians didn't have state here and didn't accepted creation of new one. But it irrelivant based on history this land can be claimed by at least 10 nations. Brits partitioned this land twice. Originaly it was TransJordan. Including modern Jordan,Israel/Palestine. In 1922 Brits assigned huge area - Jordan to Arab state and designated Israel/Palestine to Jews. In 1947 the reshaped remaining part again (UN 181)
"Jews got 56%" - Exactly what I said you idiot! Minority got the majority!
"Palestinians didnt have state here and didnt accept creation" - There were no states period before WW1! What they didnt accept was a state which denied them land they rightfully and legally owned!
"Brits assigned huge area" - So the people of the region should be content with what the colonial power is happy to give them! Not even Israel was happy with 1947 & explicitly declared a willingness to continue to expand!
"Palestinians are first Muslims" - This is what you want the world to believe! The truth of the matter is that Palestinians represent one the highest proportions of a Christian population in the region!
"Before 48 there was no Palestinian nation" - And there was no Israeli nation too because this concept is one for the modern era.
"Jews deserve a state as well" - Yes but why should their rights override those of the Palestinians! Idiot!
There was no Jewish nation before 1948! Period! There was certainly Jewish history but a nation-state? No!
I am an idiot! I can barely make sense of your second paragraph, your English grammar is terrible! What is this land that Arabs stole from Jews that is four times the size of Israel?
"After the Arabs will bring the Jews back their land" - You idiot it was the Arabs in the 7thC that let the Jews back into Jerusalem!
Even worse. Moses took Jews out of Egypt to Israel 2000 yrs before Romans kick them out from Israel. Sorry guys Jews are not new comeres to this land. We can go through history and prove that land should belong to Jews/Arabs/Brits/Turks/Romans/Greek/Egypt etc. It doesn't help resolve problem between modern Israel and Palestininas.
I could care less if the Israelis are Jews. They could be Buddhists for all I care. What REALLY matters is their illegal practices and the fact that they have been ethnically cleansing the land for the past 60 years and the US praises them for it!
I don't deny that 20% of Israelis are Arabs today. But you have to go back to prior to 1948 to understand why Palestinians behave this way, when only 2% of the population was Jewish. Obviously the Arabs did not want to give their land to only 2% of the population while the remaining 98% percent must suffer!
Arabs should have 23 states, and it is not our responsibility to give away one of our countries just because the Jews want a state. Why doesn't America give their state to the Africans because Africans have been suffering? Thats not how it work. Besides, Judaism is a religion that is not confined to one country. Jews are everywhere now, just like how Christians and Muslims are everywhere, and the fact that they want a state based on religion is racist and conforms to a backwards mentality.
America DID GIVE AFRICANS A STATE. It called Liberia with Capitan Monrovia (After Presiden who bought this land and gave it to former slaves). You now how it ended up. It has nothing to do with America it just not everybody can manage own state.
Because the Middle East belongs to the Arabs. That is why it is also referred to as Arabia. Jews have a vague history in the Middle East, yet have a huge presence and cultural impact in Europe. If you look at Israelis today, they behave just like Europeans (a lot of them even look like Europeans). The idea of a Jewish nation in the Mid east is quite ridiculous.
Ooops. Middle East belong to Arabs. Wow! What about poor Christians, Persians, Turks and ... Jews. Relax my friend Great Caliphate long gone. Many nations were under illusion that Middle East belongs to them. Unless you will learn to leave in peace with other nations, including Jews. Your once great nation will disappear with demand for oil.
Um...I didnt say the Middle East belongs to Muslims, I said Arabs, hence you seem to forget that there is a significant number of Arab Christians. There was also a population of Jewish Arabs, mainly in Iraq (who moved to Israel). As for the Persians and the Turks, I totally agree that they belong in the mid east. I didn't bring them up because they weren't part of my argument. I'm just trying to remind you that Judaism is a RELIGION, hence to assume that all jews are from Israel is wrong.
Its ok. You generous enough to make few exception. We went through this already in 1930's
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Germany belong to Germans. Opps. O yes, French, Swiss etc are also welcome, by the way where are you? Sorry Germans lost you in their greatness. Promise, you will be happy to serve Great Germany. But Jews and Gypses must be gone.
Well, people from Germany are called Germans. Hence aren't people from Arabia called Arabs? And with all honesty I'm not entirely sure what your argument is here so forgive me if I give you the wrong response, but are you saying I should be a Nazi? By the way I think it is time to stop blaming Arabs for the what the Germans did. Zionist Jews need to settle their problems with the Germans first before taking over other countries.
I know history well enough to twist it around and 'prove' both Jews and Palestinian point of view. These proves means nothing. It is easy to point finder and said you guys don't belong here. IDF can do this to PA in one week for at least 30 yrs and never did it. HAMAS and you will do it on first occasion.
You just admitted to me that you are willing to twist history around, hence I'm not entirely sure if any of your arguments are even remotely legitimate. You know perfectly well what an Arab is, what a nation is, and what the Middle East is, and I'm not going to insult my intelligence or yours by defining each one. Again, you are claiming that I said Jews don't belong in the Mid East, which I never said. I said Israelis don't belong in the Mid East because they are mainly European invaders.
Ability to twist doesn't imply that I do. My point was that proving that this land belongs to Jews/Arabs means nothing since both are already here. You cannot simply kick out one of them after prove that they are in wrong place. From many Israeli whole "Eretz Israel" belongs to them. Lets kick Palestinian out?
Or you have prove that this Arab land and let kick out Israeli most of them born here?
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Israel is a state that was offered by the west and the British occupying forces to the Zionists , while the most of the 600000 Jews who were there at? the time were migrants , and although the Arabs did not accept the partition plan , theirs was a voice in the wildenes , the voice of the people who lived there for? centuries was ignored , israel was imposed on the palestenians and the neighbering countries ,,,, for me , this is a war decleration , this is the root cause of the problem
Pledgeist 3 months ago
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Judgement from the Lord is upon the USA , People and nations for whom have divided HIS HOLY LAND ISRAEL, For the USA has divided his Holy Land, Israel into pieces under the US Foreign Policy for Israel. The Lord said, "ANY PERSON OR NATION WHO DIVIDES MY HOLY CHOSEN LAND SHALL BE JUDGED. GOD is the ruler over ALL things, for who is able to be fight against the Lord whom is all powerful, for GOD shall do as his Word says, for he never lies, Satan is the Liar, I suggest that you ALL repent.
PaulGeoffreySmith 4 months ago
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64Hulya 10 months ago
i want to come backe to hayfa ,i am native mor than facke jewesh!
yomyat 1 year ago
People say that palestinians have lived there for hundreds of years... but jews have lived there for thousands of years...
DaBoomz13 1 year ago 3
@DaBoomz13 yeah but not the euro jews living in isreal now. the semitic jews had good relations with the arabs before
ahamki1 9 months ago
@DaBoomz13 It is the other way around.
Between the Phoenicians and the jewish tribes, to the Roman expansion, the Persian expansion, the Ottoman expansion, the British expansion, etc, the Arabs have actually lived for over a thousand years in that small part of what was Israel.
Far as I'm concerned, Israel was dispersed thousands of years ago, but jews didn't live there for thousands of years. They did for less than that. This is not before Canaan eras.
ArcanineKing 6 months ago
It's against Judaism to return to the holy land without the Jewish Messiah, until then, Jews are to live in exile according to the Torah and Talmud. And Zionist leaders were not Jews by blood, they were and are EUROPEAN-Ashkenazi, so they are not of Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob. They are PHONEYS. See Rev. 2:9.3,9 See also jewsagainstzionism[dot]com
BigWhoreHouseIsrael 1 year ago
Personally, I think that if Palestinians have a problem with it, they should buy or rent houses of their own in those settlements (if they're not allowed to, they should be). If the settlements are an obstacle to the two-state solution then that's okay because the 2-state solution is a joke. How can a spit of land only 40x10 kilometers big be an autonomous state? How can another tiny spit of land be one either if it's split by a confusing spider web of checkpoints and apartheid walls?
Superaverage38 1 year ago
God, the israelis are eating the pizza,whilst discussing who it belongs to !
Arakl10 1 year ago
peace talks HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! i got a beautiful piece of land for sale in Florida for a very good price...............
bubukaka5 1 year ago
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witecracker2 1 year ago
right, right, because before israel built settelments there was a huge wave up peace with over 7,000 israeli killed in 20 years. oh, and "US walfare" gives israel only 600,000,000$ in cash each year, wich is peanuts compared to israel 250,000,000,000 economy.
TheMideasttruth 1 year ago
небыло некогда такой стрны как палистина и даст бог не будет
raspezdai 1 year ago
How come the Palestinians can't have a capital in Bethlehem or Jericho?
occupationarmy 1 year ago
Israel needs to get the f@#!% out and stop the genocide., how the world stands for the blatant war crimes and criminal actions to go on is way beyond me... crazy isnt it?
witecracker2 1 year ago
@witecracker2 yes, genocide. with 25,000 people dead in 63 years, its a really slow one don't you think? i mean twice as many dies on US roads each year, and that isn't a genocide is it?
TheMideasttruth 1 year ago
@TheMideasttruth well ok genocide is an extreme term. lets try serial robbery, and killings for land grab...ok lets not forget their idea its ok to kill innocent people for no other reason except they enjoy it,...same as American leaders... one big club of sadistic killers,...
witecracker2 1 year ago
@witecracker2 right, right, killing for land grab. that is while israel is stronger than all of its nieghbors combined, and still no invasion for land up to this very day. and killing innocent people for no other reason beside enjoyment is kinda weak considering israel actually calls civillians and drop leaflets to tell them to leave the area in a war. kinda kills all the fun, don't you think?
TheMideasttruth 1 year ago
@witecracker2 oh, and israel having the smallest rate of non-combatent kills in a war on the entire history of warfare in populated areas (during one time, 1 dead civllians for every 29 combatents killed vs. 1 dead combatent for every 30 civllians in iraq. the israeli rate is 1\870 of the american rate) is kinda strange too, considering what you just said. and having no civillan casualties while the enemy is using humen shields just doesn't make sense. /watch?v=W0wvcusBRys
TheMideasttruth 1 year ago
@TheMideasttruth I hold my tongue....we all can see things differently and can be right .
thank for the alternate view in a completely different understanding.
it works
witecracker2 1 year ago
Is Israel's occupation of the West Bank any different from the United States occupation of the Philippines after the Spanish-American War?
occupationarmy 1 year ago
@occupationarmy nope.....Israel is the land of the Jews.....that is their land.....it is just after 70 A.D. when the roman empire attacked Israel that the Jews lost their land.....Israel is for the Jews and for the Jews Only.....Israel is the promised land of GOD for them...
athrun98 1 year ago
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occupationarmy 1 year ago
@athrun98 You are correct about that. The Jews have been there since ancient times. The story of the Palestinians does not begin until 636AD when Arab armies seized the land from the Byzantine Empire. However, they cannot be simply thrown out of the area.
occupationarmy 1 year ago
@occupationarmy because jewish "occupation" of judea actually isn't an occupation by international laws?
TheMideasttruth 1 year ago
Israel sees the building of 1600 homes in jeusalem more of a priority than constuctively finding a way to peace Says it all this country doesnt want peace
1chaba 1 year ago
This feeling of historical entitlement will bring nothing but misery and suffering. California , Colorado , Texas and couple of other states used to be Mexican. So now according to the logic some Israelis on this forum are presenting Mexicans have a right to kill inhabitants of those states and take over, right. And after they do that the Native Americans are entitled to kill them because after all it used to be their land. This way of thinking leads nowhere.
kosmazawada 1 year ago
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"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they, the Palestinians defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion First Prime Minister of Israel (1938 Speech).
sufiatheart 1 year ago
1 year later...nothing done!
786LILJOKER 2 years ago
It would be great for the U.S. to withdraw all support to Israel until they are totally removed from Palestinian land.
It's just plain thievery.
JohnnyRock2000 2 years ago 2
ARabs are stealing oil and natural resources from other countries, so they deserve to suffer !
abeshaking370 2 years ago
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"ARabs are stealing oil and natural resources from other countries"...uhm no they're not...The oil is on their land...So how are they stealing from other countries....?
snitchow 1 year ago
why Jews should be allowed to resettle areas in which they didn't live in the years preceding the 1967 war, areas that were almost empty of Jews before 1948 as well. But why didn't Jews live in the area at that time? Quite simple: They had been the victims of a three-decades-long ethnic cleansing project that started in 1920, when an Arab attack wiped out a small Jewish farm at Tel Hai in Upper Galilee and was followed by attacks in Jerusalem and, in 1921, in Jaffa and Jerusalem.
batyam1987 2 years ago
@JohnnyRock2000
In 1929, Hebron's centuries-old Jewish population was expelled as a result of an Arab pogrom that killed almost 70 Jews. Jews that year removed themselves from Gaza, Nablus and Jenin
batyam1987 2 years ago
Many people insist that settlements are illegal under the Fourth Geneva Convention. But that convention does not apply to Israel's presence in Judea and Samaria and the Gaza district. Its second clause makes it clear that it deals with the occupation of "the territory of a high contracting party." Judea and Samaria and Gaza, which Israel gained control of in 1967, were not territories of a "high contracting party." Jewish historical rights that the mandate had recognized were not canceled.
batyam1987 2 years ago
islam = evil, fuck these muslum terrest animals, take all the land. just one american christians opinion.
kingofcb1900 2 years ago
Good idea Johnny...Thats all the US have to do..stop funding their bullshit untill they stop building settlements. That's how easy it is..I'd vote you for president any day
snitchow 1 year ago
@JohnnyRock2000 Israel is for the Jews.....not for the Arabs
athrun98 1 year ago
@athrun98 - Germany is for Aryans, not Jews. South Africa is for whites, not blacks. But as powerful as they both were, ultimately they lost. White europeans, imposter semites, give back the land.
JohnnyRock2000 1 year ago
The Israeli Government is not ready nor want Peace Now. Timing is of essence to build more Settlements in order to divide Palestinian lands. That is why is they are dragging their feets for peace. Only by ending US aid to Israel will force them to stop building illegal settlements. Where in the world today in this world recession they are building so fast with free taxpayers money. Only in Israel. Enough.
rowlandale 2 years ago 2
I have noting Againedt jewish people but the ones in Israed thats another story. It was the Palestinen's land first, I personally blame England for this whole mess.
MuslimNinjaAssassin 2 years ago
Palestinens land first! lol. Abraham, Isaac and Israel was there first there was no Palestinians you are not the same as the Philistines you are dumn poor arab.
EUguitarRULE 2 years ago
He's not Arab you Moron He's white.
AirsoftSniperNInja 2 years ago
Hmm... Dude, Your Canadian you people think your better than American don't you. Your just like the Rest of the ones I talked to. You think am Arab, Haha. Now that is funny. Am White dude... you know Caucasian. well you seem dumb so you more and luckily don't know. One thing that no one knows Abraham, and Isaac could of been Arab we don't know.
MuslimNinjaAssassin 2 years ago
you know, the only reason why theres so much hate against jews is cause they clam to be a race that was made up, if israel just stoped calling themselves jews stoped migrating to other peoples lands and just stoped there penisy way of thinking, im sure everbody would stop being so raciest. after all they are european descent aka anglo saxon, its time they started relizing there no diffrent than arabs, except for there hate against all other races and there need to control the world with money
hakeemhaqq 2 years ago
ive done my research on the jewish race, a group of nomadic people that lived in europe and migrated to russia and germany. Originaly they were not even called jews until hitler named them as such. But I believe that truth will only be met once all the nations recognize that israel was a nation created over a subsisting already vibrant nation, palestine! and its doing nothing positive for the region except stir up anger. In a just response anything that creates hostility should be removed.
hakeemhaqq 2 years ago
Nothing positive? Jews account for over 60% of modern inventions (including the computer you're using). Jews have developed the land and industrialized Israel far better than any shitty arab nation. All in just 60 years. Be thankful for their existence because without them, this world would be technologically inferior. E=mc2 >>> (JEWISH THOUGHT)
231375 2 years ago
your right dude, Albert Einstein is a Jew, and most scientist are a Jew.
dinoworks 2 years ago
One of the ways to solve this issue is to ask that the iranians stop pursuit of having a WMD. Only and if only, the jews destroy there nuke arsenel and comprimize on only possesing the land they already have, instead of expanding. If the jews disagree, I think it would be totaly fair that they be striped of there land because they are a threat as well, they provoke the surrounding area into destructive emotions. It may sound unreasonable but this is reason 101, no bias, just honest justice.
hakeemhaqq 2 years ago
Shalom Israel in Iahvshua!
flayrton 2 years ago
Israel runs you lil homie, we be robbin arab money all day in palestine, ya stand me lil homie, Israel we da best
megaead69 2 years ago
Quit your fake black talk, everybody wanna be black, but if you looked back at ya history lil jew your not really a jew, your a ancestor of a white, black, and arab family who found himself in russia/gemany who claimed to be a decendant of a wondering race, once you settled in britain they told you to leave but since you couldnt they invaded some land for you to move, but now the palistinains want you to move to. An for your info Blacks might be the real choosen people, so refrain from imitation
hakeemhaqq 2 years ago
and another point its proven that the first eygptians were black, nubian until arab races invaded and thats when the whole story of moses/musa took place, and in the quran it states that one of the miricles was his hand turning from black into white, As a muslim I think that both sides are ignorant and incoherent, except obama, that being the jews who stupidly have nukes while living right in the middle of the enemy, and the muslims for not just allowing them to have the land.
hakeemhaqq 2 years ago
ha ha ha, blacks cant be jews. anyway Israel be running you lil homies all day ya stand me. We da best, Israel got all you lil homies shook ya stand me, we be robbin arab money all day ya stand me.
megaead69 2 years ago
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stfu you dumb ass wannabe
iiiTOXSICKiii 2 years ago
Obama does mean it.
We want peace, we want fairness, we want equal rights.
hades12686 2 years ago
I think Obama means it...stop these settlements.
Kryptonian250 2 years ago
jews are SQUATTERS in Palestine living on US welfare
lookslikerain2000 2 years ago 3
WHY do we stick up for these people...they should learn to fight their own battles. They want to build more settlements than let them fight it out on their own.
ChiRock773 2 years ago 2
The world can't touch Israel. The assholes hide under america's arm. They law doesn't even effect them.
denizaks14 2 years ago 3
how many times Israel has broken promises in regards to settlements?
eulex10 2 years ago 3
i belive the settlements should leave.
allforall48 2 years ago
I believe the settlements should stay. The Arabs are occupying Jewish land. They have for the past 1400 years, with that lunatic muhammed, oh sorry pbuh, yeah right shit be upon him
mthw25 2 years ago
"isreal" has been the most fought for land in history, you cant say its been your land for 1400 years, in this day and age you cant say that a book says its yours, i don't care if your religious or not, open your eyes and stop being a slave to religion, its used to control you and manipulate
faridk89 2 years ago
No try maybe 5,000 years, not 1,400
mthw25 2 years ago
smart ass, maybe north America should go back to the Indians and half the middle east go back to turkey...you cant say that it was once yours thousands of years ago, its stupid, you can argue it belongs to the Christians or Muslims as well because we came from jews....so we we're once "suppose to be there" stupid religious people make me sick
faridk89 2 years ago
Wooh turbo chill out, look Yisrael is the land that the Jews gained through their inheritance from Jehovah. Through the covenant of Isaac and Abraham. A true biblical fact. Know you say religious people make you sick, good for you. You seem like an individual who has no faith. So its probably a good idea not to say anything about religion, if you know nothing about it. Know you say N.A. should go back to the indians, how can it? You talk about the Ottoman Empire, that was the worst
mthw25 2 years ago
well how can the UN just give isreal back to the jews? its the same thing....i have jewish, christian and muslim family that i love, but i do disagree with all of them, i do know a lot about religion, maybe not the specifics, i know that you cant have world peace with different religions, its stupid
faridk89 2 years ago
The reason the U.N. gave Israel to the Jews was due to the fact that the U.N. at the time was mostly Judeo-Christian, and knew the Bible, which promised the Jews there own land
mthw25 2 years ago
which is stupid once again, because you cant base such things on a book, especially one that dosnt go along with the one that your taking the land from, just like hitler truly believed jews should be killed, does this make it right?
faridk89 2 years ago 2
Time for everybody. Look Christians come from Judaism, but Muslims dont. Islam has nothing to do with these two faiths. Muhammed may have said nice things about Christians, but he had nothing to do with us. His revelation contradicts Christianity, and Judaism. So to put Islam in the same sentence as Christianity or Judaism is blasphemy
mthw25 2 years ago
ok go read another book, but all three religions have strong roots in isreal, but religion is stupid anyways, and if karma was true and good people would be blessed, then why does George bush make millions and poor african kids who prey every day die of hunger? what a joke
faridk89 2 years ago
Look dude most of Africa is run by warlords, or dictators who can give a rats tail about there own people. Second God looks down on this earth with shame, due to corruption, sexual immorality, everything abominal to him. Sooner or later God will destroy this earth just as he has done in the past
mthw25 2 years ago
well thats your opinion, i respect it but dont agree with it, just as i respect my parents being muslim and christian, but i dont agree with them...what you cant argue is that if you lived in a place, and someone one day came and said it is no longer yours, you would be frustrated, this is a fact that you cant argue, religion you can argue
faridk89 2 years ago
I love how they use the word stumbling block. I tell you if today the stumbling block is settlements, then tomorrow it will be Tel Aviv. Of course there will never be peace here anyways since no one will ever cave in on Jerusalem. Any agreements without Jerusalem are worthless and I will tell you as a proud Israeli settler, we are for sure not ever giving in on Jerusalem so there just won't be peace. Jerusalem is, always was, and always will be the eternal capital of the Jewish people.
bfis108137 2 years ago
you make me sick
faridk89 2 years ago
i hope those jews know that in 5 years the houses or going back to the palistieans cause lets face it our arab population is growing 10times faster than yall and thats whats realliy scaring the jewish government
westbank23 2 years ago 2
there is no "falastin"
ISdani10 3 years ago
haha so funny
usa is tricky country out out
all the houses are built with american tax payers money
mightyali 3 years ago
and people ask why iran and the rest of the arab world hate isreal this is why
earlsutton 3 years ago 3
Hell with Israel!
nagi04 3 years ago
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Islam, sex with children, read Surah al-Baqarah (2.228) here is the Scholar Ibn Kathir's explanation of the verse:
The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause. This is the meaning of His saying;
[وَاللَّـتِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ]
(and for those who have no courses...)
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The young, who have not reached menstruation (girls as young as infancy!)
Tell me this isn't molestation of children.
got2nesa 3 years ago
Hmmm..I think my comments have been deleted? Why?
insomniacsara 3 years ago
nsomniacsara the Jews are nation whether you like it or not.
fightIslamicCensore1 3 years ago
No. Judaism is a religion, not a nation.
insomniacsara 3 years ago
I love it. Every guy like insomniacsara once in awhile goes through explanation that he has nothing against jews and even befriended them on couple occasions. He just hate in particular ashkinazi and/or Israeli and/or Zionist and/or Marsian (poor jews from Mars). Surely his Jews friend also shares such feeling. Welcome to the club. You recognized as humanist, openminded, smart person. Feel great. As long as something inside you make you write such post you still human.
skvtube 3 years ago
I'm not a guy?
And it seems in every reply you start a new topic which I have to shift gears to. Well, in response to this, yes I openly admit I don't like Israelis and Zionists (whom are both the same thing) because they represent a new concept of Judaism that is similar to that of radical Islam. Ashkinazi Jews are not confined to one nation or territory such as Israel, so they are irrelevant, and their beliefs regarding Israel may vary, so it is unfair to judge them as whole.
insomniacsara 3 years ago
Hey man,
Sorry for hard time :). Most Israeli are not religious so you cannot say that they represent new concept in Judaism. The most radical Judaism claims that Israel is unholy country. Since it was recreated by human will not the G-d action.
Oppss... (I can give you references).
The truth is that today perception of Israel, Jews and Palestinians very different from what was 1920-1948. Today solution cannot be driven from that source.
skvtube 3 years ago
Ok so if you openly admit that Israelis are not religious then why do you keep nagging that they jews should have a homeland? (who are not really jews like you said?)
insomniacsara 3 years ago
Condi, maybe if you stopped candy coating everything and smiling they'd listen to you... oh and just withhold their allowance for a month. Americans don't understand that THIS is why the fighting never ends.
lightleague 3 years ago
Emotions fly so high when it comes t the Middle East conflict-the only way we(arabs) and the Israeli jew move on if we try to let go of all the anger and misery we have harboured for centuries and let things go and talk to one another and try to educate ourselves about one another instead of swearing at one another
yahmujibdu3a 3 years ago
The sad point that all these hate is not even 100 yrs old. Once WWII was over it took Germany and France less than 10 yrs to start future EU. Preaching of Hate and Nationalism must me prohibited in Middle East. It make scense that Israel and Palestinian News, School curriculum, University classes will be censored by UN.
skvtube 3 years ago
UN is corrupted organization that should be abolished.
fightIslamicCensore1 3 years ago
I wounder what happens if those negonations fail, and to be honest - i think they will :(
waken12 3 years ago
Israel's marksmanship is amazing!
They never fail to hit their own foot.
3rdeyechas 3 years ago
1. Isreal isn't going anywhere. learn to live with them.
2. Isreal: Stop building more settlements you morons. If you ever want to have a stable and peaceful state, you neeed to pull out of the occupied zones.
kathicII 3 years ago
Learn to live with them? They invaded Palestinian land!
Vingati 3 years ago
vactory to the palestinians
supermc1916 3 years ago
ha ha ha no wonder why Hitler crushed them who crushed hitler ha ha ha LOL but hitler was only 1 death ha ha ha and well opps ! no comments Viking shhh!
inderneil 3 years ago
condoleeza's face look like the back of my shoe
bahrana 3 years ago
Anyone else ever notice that ALL of the Israeli spokespeople are women whether it's the govt' or the IDF? I think it's just a ploy by the Zionists, so any tough questions or criticism from the international press can go unanswered and be dismissed as "sexism".
blunt1984 3 years ago
Tzipi Livni is such a bitch! Every time I hear her spew more lies it seems to make even Hillary Clinton seem ladylike and trustworthy-LoL
blunt1984 3 years ago
We need to get off oil and bud out of the Mideast for good; it's not our war. Let the locals fight it out. Bring our troops home.
CheekyMonkey888 3 years ago 2
presure on isreal???? what a joke... don't you know that Israel owns the world.
0xo1 3 years ago
Arabs won't stop attacking, the Israelis won't stop building. Looks like peace is far away.
takerdust 3 years ago
Might makes right. The palestinians are a lost cause beyond redemption or civilization.
Maxwedge12000 3 years ago
The UN already defined it. Stop vetoing resolutions at the UN America!
Mujahid1 3 years ago
Condoleeza is a traitor to the US. Stop shaking hands with the devil. For the sake of humankind impeach Bush and the administration.
Organjic 3 years ago
Israel doesn't respect any international laws or the UN. They are above any law, they are the "chosen people"...my ass.
desione07 3 years ago
Palistinians claim all of Isreal and same goes for Isreal. This land has always been up for struggle from the beginning that these two nations met. These borders will be hard to set in stone, harder than any other place in the world.
EdyPegasus 3 years ago
Publicity stunt ..
Israel will never capitulate so long as our (America's) government is run by Zionists..
GodSaveThePres 3 years ago 2
Oh god...the two most internationally distrusted women in one video, Zippi Livni and Condi Rice. I think we can all agree that, although the Israeli settlements are a big problem, there is so much more Israel owes to the Palestinians that these settlements seem trivial to the "peace" process. How about bringing back all the innocent people the Israelis have slaughtered? We all know that is impossible hence peace with Israel is impossible.
insomniacsara 3 years ago
Exactly!! Or what about all the land that Israel has been occupying since the 1967 War? They annexed that land illeagally according to the UN but yet they are given full rights to own that land.
On youtube it may seem that alot of people are pro-israell. But in the real world Israel and America are the 2 most single hated countries..and as an American I accept that. Stupid ass Bush and Israeli's Peice of SHIT GOVERNMENT!!! More like REIGEME!!!
Daritto7117 3 years ago 2
NO country conquers land and gives it back to the defeated side. Only Israel is compassionate enough to do that (over and over and over).
It's time to learn from previous mistakes.
KnockAr0und 3 years ago
Hahahaahaha are you kidding? It took the land illeagally ofcorse it ought to give it back. The palestinians were only doing what they knew was right and resisting a Jewish Israeli takeover of there land!!!
Why hasn't Israel returned the land from the 1967 war?? That belongs to palestine as well!!! Israel is a peice of shit state and as a European born im glad the jews went to Israel...they only caused tension and trouble in Europe for hundreds of years!!!!
Daritto7117 3 years ago
You might wanna do some research before you run your mouth.
The 67 war was forced on Israel. Google "six day war the entanglement theory" and read about the Palestinian terrorist attacks from the 60's. Find out what the "Palestinian" Arabs did when Syria, Egypt, Iraq and finally Jordan attacked. It is truly a miracle Israel survived, and if you are religious - this should be a sign.
The land is rightfully Israeli. Period. You'll get over it.
KnockAr0und 3 years ago
And the Jewish Israeli state was forced on an indigenous Palestinian population in 1948 when the vast vast majority of them were not Jewish. You do realise that it was the Jewish settlers that introduced acts of terrorism to this conflict.
A miracle you survived? Give me a break Israel was supported by the biggest states in the Western world whilst the Arab states were barely independent from their colonial superpowers, with little military warcraft and absolutely divided.
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
Fact #1: The lands in which the Jews lived were purchased by Jews already in the 19th century.
Fact #2: The Jews should have gotten a much larger land if the Arabs would not riot.
Fact #3: ALL nations turned Israel down, while Russia supported Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Jordan. True, the Israelis perfected their old fashioned weapons, but that's because they were smart and the Arabs retarded.
Get your facts first, then we talk.
KnockAr0und 3 years ago
You deluded fool, Jewish land ownership in Palestine in the 19th century was in the single digits percentage wise.
"All nations turned Israel down" - Give me a break! The US had admitted to being on "standby" to defend Israel and in the years leading up to 1967 France and Britain absolutely armed Israel to its delight.
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
During the war Israel was by itself. The numbers alone say it all.
KnockAr0und 3 years ago
You are really selective with your words, you should have written that it was Israel by itself but armed by the major military powers of the world.
This is no David and Goliath story but mere military strategy against an absolutely inept and divided Arab world. You count the Arab world as one homogenous grouping, you dont mention Jordanian secret negotiations to stifle the Arab war effort if Israel gave up the West Bank to them.
PauloGVieira 3 years ago 3
the Israeli military was outnumbered on all fronts and in all services. Israel could field a total strength of 264,000 soldiers; this included all the reserves, and could not therefore be sustained for any length of time without destroying the economy. Facing them were 525,000 Arab soldiers. Israeli tanks were outnumbered by more than three to one: 800 Israeli tanks faced 2,424 Arab tanks. Israeli air force could field 350 aircraft, outnumbered almost 3 to 1 by 939 Arab aircraft.
KnockAr0und 3 years ago
While the Arab countries continued to receive vast quantities of weapons from their traditional suppliers - the Soviet Union, Great Britain and, to a lesser extent, the United States - Israel's main weapon supplier, France, without warning slapped an arms embargo on Israel; so did the USA. Little wonder that while the entire Arab world, led by the Egyptian dictator
The Israeli military was outnumbered on all fronts and in all services.
KnockAr0und 3 years ago
Abdel-Nasser was proclaiming its forthcoming triumph against Israel and proudly trumpeting the imminent annihilation of Israel and the massacre of all her citizens (the Jewish ones), Israel was preparing to fight for her very existence, and projecting - in a best-case scenario - up to 50,000 dead, if she survived at all. Plans were made to turn national parks into mass cemeteries, even as schoolchildren were given canvas sacks and started shoveling sand into them to defend their homes.
KnockAr0und 3 years ago
"France, without warning slapped an arms embargo on Israel; so did the USA" - You conveniently do not mention arms trade between Israel, USA and France in the lead up to the 1967 war.
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
Do you seriously expect me to believe that at any one time 525,000 Arab soldiers were fighting against 264,000 Israeli soldiers? These figures above are gross figures of what each respective state claimed to have and not what was deployed in the fighting.
I can tell you right now that if 2424 Arab tanks were directly up against 800 Israeli tanks Israel would not have won. Your numbers are just that.
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
You are right Israel managed to strike them one after another. This is one of the best campaigns in recent history. Arabs always had enormous advantage in numbers and often quality of equipment. But IDF was much better trained and had by far better commanders. Read wikipidia if any book on modern Warfare. Numbers often don't matter chk: Battle of Thermopylae 480BC ~1000 Greeks hold > 100,000 Persians.
skvtube 3 years ago
You're an idiot and an absolute disgrace to Europe for you to think that Jews in Europe only brough "tension and trouble". The scientific, cultural and technological achievements of Jewish Europeans is prolific.
Its a terrible blight on Europe that another innocent people, the Palestinians, are struggling for survival because of a war they had no part in.
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
"No country conquers land and gives it back" - HELLO! Netherlands! Spain! Portugal! Britain! France! Italy! They all conquered and gave land back!
Let me get this straight, if I steal something by brute force but then give it back that makes me "compassionate". What a f*cked up moral fibre you have!
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
Tell me something: When did the Arabs who live in Israel right now had sovereignty over that land? Name the period.
KnockAr0und 3 years ago
Here we go, you're asking me a politically loaded question with a careful selection of words, what you should really be asking is when was there an Arab nation state over Palestine. There was none, just as there was no Israeli nation-state before 1948.
As for Arab sovereignty over that land, need I remind you of the Islamic empire. And that there has been an Arab connection to this land that pre-dates the majority of European states and their modern populations, including my own.
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
"Islamic empire" and "Palestinian" sovereignty are too distinct things.
The last "Israeli" sovereignty was under the Kingdom of Israel, but the last "Jewish" sovereignty was under the Hashmoneans. Jews have been living in Israel continually, while the current Arabs migrated not long ago (it's a matter of dispute when, but there was certainly no "Palestinian People".
KnockAr0und 3 years ago
You're an idiot, you asked when did the "Arabs" have "sovereignty" over the land & I wrote during the 7thC and now you are arguing that you meant Palestinian!
Quite frankly I dont give a fuck about history because the truth of the matter is that there are millions of Palestinians in the world today. Your history does not cancel theirs!
"Arabs migrated not long ago" - Give me a break! Arabs have been in Palestine longer than the vast majority of European states and their modern populations!
PauloGVieira 3 years ago 2
You have no clue what an ethnic diversity or fission is, but that's fine, 'cause u just admitted that history plays little role here.
But harken to my advice, buddy - worry about Eurabia, and then Arabia ;)
KnockAr0und 3 years ago
Oh yes "Eurabia" - give me a break! You do realise that only about 3% of people in Europe are actually of Arab descent.
You think that if you rile up the Europeans to believe in the threat of the Arabs that we will begin to sympathise with your illegal occupation of Palestine! Grow up and take your paranoia somewhere else.
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
SO quickly forgotten Nouredine el Fahtni?
KnockAr0und 3 years ago
I dont understand your point, do you want me to build a bomb shelter and cocoon myself because of a group of people that do not even represent a significant cross-section of the Islamic community in Europe.
As the situation with Nouredine in Portugal also suggests, I am well protected.
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
Legal or illegal occupation is irrelevant. Germany and the rest of Europe had much more issues after WWII. But in 1954? Germany and France laid down agreements that lead to EU. Yep. Germany lost lots of land but in 50 yrs few really care. Another 50 yrs... I do see hate as the main problem for peace between Israel and Palestinians. Try to explain HAMAS persistent rocket attacks that bring no military gain but provoke IDF retaliation. Try explain HAMAS TV programs.
skvtube 3 years ago
"Germany lost lots of land" - They didnt lose almost 80% of it! And if millions of Germans were scattered across Europe I am sure it would still be an issue!
"Explain HAMAS persistent rocket attacks that bring no military gain" - Explain Israel's continued expansion of illegal settlements! Do you think there is so much hate in HAMAS because they are bored? The majority of them are refugees that have been denied their freedom, identity and history.
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
In France, Belgium, Czech, Poland, Russia are huge German enclaves. Still nobody fires rockets on daily basis. Germans accepted new reality and moved on. In 50 yr borders almost disappear. Palestinians never accepted 1947 resolution and authority over this land. BTW They didn't have any authority before 1947. Just number of settled and semi-nomadic tribes lived here under different rules. Today they hijacked by HAMAS that imposing suffering on own people and using it for bargains.
skvtube 3 years ago
That's obvious. There is no political opposition which makes a settlement an invasion. Don't undermine the political rights of the Palestinians in their own country. And please the fuck out of there.
teemuruskeepaa 3 years ago
skvtube That's obvious. There is no political opposition which makes a settlement an invasion. Don't undermine the political rights of the Palestinians in their own country. And please get the fuck out of there.
teemuruskeepaa 3 years ago
if east jerusalem is palestinian, will the israeli arabs in east jerusalem be stripped of their citizenship and social benefits?
scoobyDx 3 years ago
Are you retarded or something, the German state did not lose 80% of its land after WW2 so quit comparing it to this specific conflict. This is a conflict unlike any other, do you not have the intelligence to examine it on its own merit?
"Palestinians never accepted 1947 resolution" - Listen you loser, would you accept a resolution that gives the minority of people the majority of land! It was simply unworkable.
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
Check UN. In 1947 Jews got 56%. The rest was lost in sequential wars. Again. Palestinians didn't have state here and didn't accepted creation of new one. But it irrelivant based on history this land can be claimed by at least 10 nations. Brits partitioned this land twice. Originaly it was TransJordan. Including modern Jordan,Israel/Palestine. In 1922 Brits assigned huge area - Jordan to Arab state and designated Israel/Palestine to Jews. In 1947 the reshaped remaining part again (UN 181)
skvtube 3 years ago
"Jews got 56%" - Exactly what I said you idiot! Minority got the majority!
"Palestinians didnt have state here and didnt accept creation" - There were no states period before WW1! What they didnt accept was a state which denied them land they rightfully and legally owned!
"Brits assigned huge area" - So the people of the region should be content with what the colonial power is happy to give them! Not even Israel was happy with 1947 & explicitly declared a willingness to continue to expand!
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
PauloGVieira you ignore from the fact that Jordan is 80% of Palestine.
This is fact that you like to erase.
The Jews got 56% from 20% of what left from Palestine.
The fact is that Palestinians are first Muslims than Arabs and only then Palestinians.
Before 48 there was no Palestinians nation.
Also do you realize that the Jews deserve for a state as well.
fightIslamicCensore1 3 years ago
Jordan is not 80% of the Palestine mandate! FACT!
"Palestinians are first Muslims" - This is what you want the world to believe! The truth of the matter is that Palestinians represent one the highest proportions of a Christian population in the region!
"Before 48 there was no Palestinian nation" - And there was no Israeli nation too because this concept is one for the modern era.
"Jews deserve a state as well" - Yes but why should their rights override those of the Palestinians! Idiot!
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
"Jordan is not 80% of the Palestine mandate! FACT! "
Then I suggest you check your fact again and stop lying.
Jordan is 80% of Palestine. FACT!
PauloGVieira IS LIAR! FACT!
fightIslamicCensore1 3 years ago
"- And there was no Israeli nation too because this concept is one for the modern era. "
There was Jewish nation and Israel is Jewish state.
"Yes but why should their rights override those of the Palestinians! Idiot!"
You are the idiot.The Arab Muslims stoled land from the Jews.
The land that the Arabs stoled from the Jews is four time the size of Israel.
After the Arabs will bring the Jews back their land then talk with me about what happened to the Palestinians.
fightIslamicCensore1 3 years ago
There was no Jewish nation before 1948! Period! There was certainly Jewish history but a nation-state? No!
I am an idiot! I can barely make sense of your second paragraph, your English grammar is terrible! What is this land that Arabs stole from Jews that is four times the size of Israel?
"After the Arabs will bring the Jews back their land" - You idiot it was the Arabs in the 7thC that let the Jews back into Jerusalem!
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
PauloGVieira
Stop your bullshit.
The Jewish nation exist for more than 2000 years.
Everybody know that the Romans kicked them from that land.
a land four time the size of Israel was taken from the Jews that lived in Arab states.
google "jewish exodus from arab lands"
And you will find it very fast.
fightIslamicCensore1 3 years ago
Even worse. Moses took Jews out of Egypt to Israel 2000 yrs before Romans kick them out from Israel. Sorry guys Jews are not new comeres to this land. We can go through history and prove that land should belong to Jews/Arabs/Brits/Turks/Romans/Greek/Egypt etc. It doesn't help resolve problem between modern Israel and Palestininas.
skvtube 3 years ago
I could care less if the Israelis are Jews. They could be Buddhists for all I care. What REALLY matters is their illegal practices and the fact that they have been ethnically cleansing the land for the past 60 years and the US praises them for it!
insomniacsara 3 years ago
The Israeli didn't ethnic cleansed the Arabs.
The fact is that 20% of the Israeli citizens are Arabs.
That contradict your claim about ethnic cleansing.
fightIslamicCensore1 3 years ago
I don't deny that 20% of Israelis are Arabs today. But you have to go back to prior to 1948 to understand why Palestinians behave this way, when only 2% of the population was Jewish. Obviously the Arabs did not want to give their land to only 2% of the population while the remaining 98% percent must suffer!
insomniacsara 3 years ago
insomniacsara the Arabs have 22 states.
Anyone that believe in justice understand that it is only reasonable that the Jews should have state.
At least one state.
Are you so greedy that you can not stand the Jews to have one small state?
Look like you are.
fightIslamicCensore1 3 years ago
Arabs should have 23 states, and it is not our responsibility to give away one of our countries just because the Jews want a state. Why doesn't America give their state to the Africans because Africans have been suffering? Thats not how it work. Besides, Judaism is a religion that is not confined to one country. Jews are everywhere now, just like how Christians and Muslims are everywhere, and the fact that they want a state based on religion is racist and conforms to a backwards mentality.
insomniacsara 3 years ago
America DID GIVE AFRICANS A STATE. It called Liberia with Capitan Monrovia (After Presiden who bought this land and gave it to former slaves). You now how it ended up. It has nothing to do with America it just not everybody can manage own state.
skvtube 3 years ago
"Arabs should have 23 states"
Why the hell the Arab should have 23 states and the Jews should have zero?
you don't want justice because according to justice the Jews deserve for one state.
Arabs should be satisfy with their 22 states.
It is more than enough.
fightIslamicCensore1 3 years ago
Because the Middle East belongs to the Arabs. That is why it is also referred to as Arabia. Jews have a vague history in the Middle East, yet have a huge presence and cultural impact in Europe. If you look at Israelis today, they behave just like Europeans (a lot of them even look like Europeans). The idea of a Jewish nation in the Mid east is quite ridiculous.
insomniacsara 3 years ago
Ooops. Middle East belong to Arabs. Wow! What about poor Christians, Persians, Turks and ... Jews. Relax my friend Great Caliphate long gone. Many nations were under illusion that Middle East belongs to them. Unless you will learn to leave in peace with other nations, including Jews. Your once great nation will disappear with demand for oil.
Good dreams happy Middle east owner LoL.
skvtube 3 years ago
Um...I didnt say the Middle East belongs to Muslims, I said Arabs, hence you seem to forget that there is a significant number of Arab Christians. There was also a population of Jewish Arabs, mainly in Iraq (who moved to Israel). As for the Persians and the Turks, I totally agree that they belong in the mid east. I didn't bring them up because they weren't part of my argument. I'm just trying to remind you that Judaism is a RELIGION, hence to assume that all jews are from Israel is wrong.
insomniacsara 3 years ago
Its ok. You generous enough to make few exception. We went through this already in 1930's
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Germany belong to Germans. Opps. O yes, French, Swiss etc are also welcome, by the way where are you? Sorry Germans lost you in their greatness. Promise, you will be happy to serve Great Germany. But Jews and Gypses must be gone.
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Sorry man sound very much like you.
skvtube 3 years ago
Well, people from Germany are called Germans. Hence aren't people from Arabia called Arabs? And with all honesty I'm not entirely sure what your argument is here so forgive me if I give you the wrong response, but are you saying I should be a Nazi? By the way I think it is time to stop blaming Arabs for the what the Germans did. Zionist Jews need to settle their problems with the Germans first before taking over other countries.
insomniacsara 3 years ago
I forgot nothing. Homework:
How do you define Arab?
How do you define nation and Nation?
How do you define what belong to Middle East?
I know history well enough to twist it around and 'prove' both Jews and Palestinian point of view. These proves means nothing. It is easy to point finder and said you guys don't belong here. IDF can do this to PA in one week for at least 30 yrs and never did it. HAMAS and you will do it on first occasion.
skvtube 3 years ago
You just admitted to me that you are willing to twist history around, hence I'm not entirely sure if any of your arguments are even remotely legitimate. You know perfectly well what an Arab is, what a nation is, and what the Middle East is, and I'm not going to insult my intelligence or yours by defining each one. Again, you are claiming that I said Jews don't belong in the Mid East, which I never said. I said Israelis don't belong in the Mid East because they are mainly European invaders.
insomniacsara 3 years ago
Ability to twist doesn't imply that I do. My point was that proving that this land belongs to Jews/Arabs means nothing since both are already here. You cannot simply kick out one of them after prove that they are in wrong place. From many Israeli whole "Eretz Israel" belongs to them. Lets kick Palestinian out?
Or you have prove that this Arab land and let kick out Israeli most of them born here?
skvtube 3 years ago
And I should be satisfied moving to Spain and you take over Portugal! Fuck off and grow up!
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
Oh yes the wonderful story of Moses, the talking tree and the parting of the Red Sea!
"Jews are not new comers" - And neither are the Arabs! Do you want me to tell you about the Canaanites?
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
Yes the Romans kicked you out, and it is the Arabs who let you back in!!
insomniacsara 3 years ago 2