In my opinion Phil in his prime was a better ROCK singer than Peter. He had that ballsy rasp and a bit more energy in his singing. Peter was and is a great artist and performer, but Phil, particularly circa 1980-86, was a better singer.
I dont know why everyone is so bent up on comparing the PG era to the PC era. To me they are two seperate bands, and its all opinion anyway, why sit around and argue about it. Just sit back and listen to some good ol' Genesis.
Genesis were a completely different band after Hackett left. The music no longer had that "something" and they lost me as a fan. LOVE the pre 1978 stuff.
At least Hackett acknowledges his musical past and continues to write great stuff.
It's unbelievable HOW HARD people mis-understand what I say ,then in their comment just repeat me ,but in their own words...
Aiaiaia, learn to read ,listen ,argue ...only then : talk...
You might defenitely give a RIGHT impression of trust and strength to who- ever reads your words later on...
As Gen-fans we seem to profoundly admire and like what they did as a group ...and more or less enjoy their individual solo-activities in the musical field...
Hacket was upset that his compositions weren't getting chosen for Genesis albums. He'd just come off releasing a successful solo album (Voyage of the Acolyte - good CD!), and figured he'd try going out on his own.
He said he never felt like an equal member of the band. The band has also said that while he was a good guitar player, that maybe they'd treated him a little differently than the others.
IT does not work ? For the good connoisseur It doesn't matter how much money you make selling other people's ideas, but the respect you earn through the years because of your beliefs and the talent and perfection to make it flourish no matter what the record companies say, respect from the people who admire your work and even, from the people that hate or don't like your music, IT is the case of the master Steve Hackett and the great Blackmore, and in the end IT WORKS, time is the best judge...
Phil was an amazing drummer, and - IMO - did a bang up job singing the old Peter songs. I actually prefer the live version of Supper's Ready on Seconds Out to the studio.
I wouldn't say that Seconds Out was better than the studio versions but Genesis definitelly sounded 'more professioanl' than with Pete. I don't know why, b/c obviously Peter is a better singer, the BAND sounded, kind of, 'amatourish'.
LOVE all their stuff till 1976, Wind & Wuthering. Their later music - should've rather quit.
How do I get this concert on DVD? Never seen it before. They sound so tight. This is the Genesis I need to hear more of. Hey, I hate to say it but the last few tours have not sounded like this. Thank you
For the most part,I think they were the tightest on the 1976 tour with bill bruford,but they are all pretty perfectionistic men and don't perform unless it's almost perfect...
so.. we all agree that PG left the band pale in comparision, I think that the PG albums were always better than the Genesis (post hackett) albums, It was a huge mistake to let hackett go, lisent to Wind & Wuthering and then lisent to Duke.
It's a matter of taste really. PG has an amazing voice imo. Hackett is an amazing song writer and amazing even more with what he could do with the equipment he was exposed to. Wind and Wuthering to me was and still is pure magic.
I find that, to me, Genesis was best while Steve Hackett was still the guitarist. Anyone else ever notice that their sound changed more when Hackett quit than when Gabriel did?
But I like pretty much any Genesis music. The spirit of the music was always there. The recent Turn It On Again tour proved that the three piece lineup still has it.
And I find it interesting that Gabriel's solo career went huge and no one complained about it. Gabriel was my favorite Genesis singer, but still...
The biggest difference between the PG and PC era's are the attention paid to front men. PG took away too much from the overall music to the point where TLLDOB became a circus sideshow and his departure was the best for the whole group. After that the live music didn't suffer overall because of the focus on where the attention should have always been, and that were the talent of the musicians and the songs themselves.
I don't mean to be PG bashing either. If PG and Hackett would do a reunion with Collins, Banks and Rutherford, I'd be their with the rest of the purists.
Hackett versus Sturmer, Phil versus Peter, blah blah blah, aren't fans tired of this??? It is what it is.
kamwrites 2 months ago
(sigh) Just can't leave the Gabriel/Collins and Hackett/Sturmer pissing contests alone. This is an excellent video. Isn't that plenty enough?
petsounds75 5 months ago
Daryl "Santana" Stuermer is much better than STEVE HACKETT, hehe...
Seriously now, GENESIS are much better than beatles n' stupid stones together.
worldcitizengrendel 8 months ago
In my opinion Phil in his prime was a better ROCK singer than Peter. He had that ballsy rasp and a bit more energy in his singing. Peter was and is a great artist and performer, but Phil, particularly circa 1980-86, was a better singer.
raelraven2 9 months ago
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GREAT! i have this show on DVD as well. (bootleg obviously)
kingcrimson234 10 months ago
fucking GREAT! i have this show on DVD as well. (bootleg obviously)
kingcrimson234 10 months ago
I dont know why everyone is so bent up on comparing the PG era to the PC era. To me they are two seperate bands, and its all opinion anyway, why sit around and argue about it. Just sit back and listen to some good ol' Genesis.
1992Drummer 1 year ago
Belli bellissimi, peccato per quel cane di Daryl Stuermer...:-(
maranzio 1 year ago
from which tour this was takken?
Satiaraha 1 year ago
@Satiaraha In the Cage/Slippermen - Duke tour (1980). Apocalypse in 9/8 from Supper's Ready - Selling England by the Pound tour (1973).
SPeacock 10 months ago
God Daryl is a douche
ontherush77 1 year ago
@ontherush77 suck it, daryl rocks!
kingcrimson234 10 months ago
@kingcrimson234 Yeah he's not exactly anywhere near the level off Hacket's godly awesomeness though is he.
ontherush77 10 months ago
Is this whole thing available on disk?
kamwrites 1 year ago
Genesis were a completely different band after Hackett left. The music no longer had that "something" and they lost me as a fan. LOVE the pre 1978 stuff.
At least Hackett acknowledges his musical past and continues to write great stuff.
swinetrek 1 year ago
chopped up a bit but fun to relive none the less
excelerater 2 years ago
there' s no clue of Steve 's great sound... Chester ' s good but Steve is GREAT !
Love the old Fives !
hammerinthesand 2 years ago 2
GRANDIOSE....
70genesis 2 years ago
The best are the times with Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett.
rockdrigresivo 2 years ago 4
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rockdrigresivo 2 years ago
It's unbelievable HOW HARD people mis-understand what I say ,then in their comment just repeat me ,but in their own words...
Aiaiaia, learn to read ,listen ,argue ...only then : talk...
You might defenitely give a RIGHT impression of trust and strength to who- ever reads your words later on...
As Gen-fans we seem to profoundly admire and like what they did as a group ...and more or less enjoy their individual solo-activities in the musical field...
Bonne journée ...monsieur...
lekezenman 2 years ago
i love the apocalypse
TheUnifaun 2 years ago
Tony Banks OWNZ!!!!!!! Love his keyboard wizardry.
myg0tBUTTPLUG 2 years ago 2
zepp&g
tperr63 2 years ago
Ladies and Gentlemen, I am proud to present to you one of the greatest keyboardists in the music industry, Mr. Anthony Banks
SynthOrgan 2 years ago 14
Phil has a remarkable singing voice and can sound alot like Peter extremely well.
But his overall stage presence is much more goofy.
Peter sure did leave them high and dry though I guess this genesis is better than no genesis at all.
InfidelAntichristian 2 years ago
It's usually caused by jealousy.
BlackmoonUK 3 years ago
NICE JOB, THANKS FOR POSTING
johnartmaster 3 years ago
Hacket was upset that his compositions weren't getting chosen for Genesis albums. He'd just come off releasing a successful solo album (Voyage of the Acolyte - good CD!), and figured he'd try going out on his own.
He said he never felt like an equal member of the band. The band has also said that while he was a good guitar player, that maybe they'd treated him a little differently than the others.
otteaux 3 years ago
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They were ALL +/- open minded and had some social skills. Hackett, like R.Blackmore ...stood outside, wanted to keep his mind free for his music...
In the end..IT does not work.
Hackett found it's universe in PROGROCK.
Genesis went WORLDBAND
lekezenman 2 years ago
what ??????
menzel290563 2 years ago
IT does not work ? For the good connoisseur It doesn't matter how much money you make selling other people's ideas, but the respect you earn through the years because of your beliefs and the talent and perfection to make it flourish no matter what the record companies say, respect from the people who admire your work and even, from the people that hate or don't like your music, IT is the case of the master Steve Hackett and the great Blackmore, and in the end IT WORKS, time is the best judge...
trevizons 2 years ago
Phil was an amazing drummer, and - IMO - did a bang up job singing the old Peter songs. I actually prefer the live version of Supper's Ready on Seconds Out to the studio.
Great vid, btw.
otteaux 3 years ago
I wouldn't say that Seconds Out was better than the studio versions but Genesis definitelly sounded 'more professioanl' than with Pete. I don't know why, b/c obviously Peter is a better singer, the BAND sounded, kind of, 'amatourish'.
LOVE all their stuff till 1976, Wind & Wuthering. Their later music - should've rather quit.
PrZemek44 2 years ago
great stuff well put together.
genesis90125 3 years ago 4
Heh man !!!!, this is a rare vid, and your excerpt selections are those I've decades hearing and endless reviewing....
Thank U !!!!
pjvillar 3 years ago
How do I get this concert on DVD? Never seen it before. They sound so tight. This is the Genesis I need to hear more of. Hey, I hate to say it but the last few tours have not sounded like this. Thank you
ceazea 3 years ago
For the most part,I think they were the tightest on the 1976 tour with bill bruford,but they are all pretty perfectionistic men and don't perform unless it's almost perfect...
whitebanner 2 years ago 2
Oh man, how I agree with you on the 1976 tour. It was the band`s musical peak, even if it was without Gabriel.
helmuthb 2 years ago 3
so.. we all agree that PG left the band pale in comparision, I think that the PG albums were always better than the Genesis (post hackett) albums, It was a huge mistake to let hackett go, lisent to Wind & Wuthering and then lisent to Duke.
I preffer any PG album instead of Duke
martytejada 3 years ago
It's a matter of taste really. PG has an amazing voice imo. Hackett is an amazing song writer and amazing even more with what he could do with the equipment he was exposed to. Wind and Wuthering to me was and still is pure magic.
s0undch4s3r 3 years ago 2
One thing about Phil ....he's one of the greatest drummers ever. No doubt. Even Chester says so....and Chester is one of the best.
s0undch4s3r 3 years ago
@s0undch4s3r One other thing about phil, in the air tonight sucks balls
ontherush77 1 year ago
I find that, to me, Genesis was best while Steve Hackett was still the guitarist. Anyone else ever notice that their sound changed more when Hackett quit than when Gabriel did?
But I like pretty much any Genesis music. The spirit of the music was always there. The recent Turn It On Again tour proved that the three piece lineup still has it.
And I find it interesting that Gabriel's solo career went huge and no one complained about it. Gabriel was my favorite Genesis singer, but still...
WhatGorilla 3 years ago
The biggest difference between the PG and PC era's are the attention paid to front men. PG took away too much from the overall music to the point where TLLDOB became a circus sideshow and his departure was the best for the whole group. After that the live music didn't suffer overall because of the focus on where the attention should have always been, and that were the talent of the musicians and the songs themselves.
mikelmart 3 years ago 3
You know. I always thought the same as you.
I think the group had a better overall feel
for the music aspect. I'm not
putting PG down, he is very talented but when
he left it was really GENESIS as an entity to be
reckoned with as a whole. It's all about GENESIS(all of the musicians)..not just one man.
s0undch4s3r 3 years ago
I don't mean to be PG bashing either. If PG and Hackett would do a reunion with Collins, Banks and Rutherford, I'd be their with the rest of the purists.
mikelmart 3 years ago
ya gotta love Mikes Shergold guitars lol
CarpetCrawling1978 3 years ago
I agree. Very nice guitar. I liked his Double Ricky too.
s0undch4s3r 3 years ago
Those Shergolds were beyond "state of the art". Probably still are. Never heard of another company that makes modular guitars like that.
knouraee 3 years ago
Tony Banks is a genius!
Whosnext04 3 years ago 6
LED ZEPP & GENESIS ARE THE BEST
tperr63 3 years ago 3
In The Cage/Slippermen and Los Endos are from 1980. That's the Lyceum concert.
Apocalypse in 9/8 is from '73 I think, during the Selling England Tour.
rodolfostanic 3 years ago
You know your Genesis sir.
s0undch4s3r 3 years ago
apocalypse in 9 8 is from the Foxtrot album
fabulous stuff :-)
God bless
perromanchado 3 years ago
hey boys...there's "the colony of slippermen", too!!
robottino1984 3 years ago 2
6:38 to end is the best part (:
taviona 3 years ago
It's total Nostalgia....I know how you feel.
I would have loved to have seen that concert from the early 70s.
s0undch4s3r 3 years ago
ME T0
tperr63 3 years ago
great... just sry for the missing part of in the cage... :(
nik0la007 3 years ago
nice clip, this looks like 1980
david1965af 3 years ago
Looks the the Lyceum shows in May 1980. They sounded so damn good.
knouraee 3 years ago 2
best ever and the row of hits is neverending...
mortenmygg 3 years ago
I AGREE
salmacis81 3 years ago
Best Band ever...
BloodOnTheRooftops 3 years ago
A thinkin, feeling man's band!
1961Tuber 3 years ago