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  • gsp suck i bet my life on my words

  • fuck diaz. he's nothing but an a street image acting piece of shit. I never liked that piece of shit since he's queer attitude on ufc show

  • GSP is angry.Last time he was angry.Dominant fight

  • GSP GROW SOME BALLS AND FIGHT THE SPIDER AT CATCHWEIGHT 180LB

  • GSP is the most lb for lb boreing fighters of the entire ufc history.

  • cite it yourself

  • "HE WAS SLIPPERY AND IT WAS NOT SWEAT" MATT SERRA

    WHEN ASKED IF GSP WAS GREASED FOR THEIR FIRST FIGHT, MATT SERRA REPLIED "I DON'T KNOW WE DIDN'T GRAPPLE"

    "gsp was very very slippery. He must had some oil on or something" sean sherk

  • @overgrow00

    Exactly what he said, wait, no it isn't;

    "They caught him, not him so much but, what Bj Penn has, he has legs to stand with that case, because the athletic commission caught em, they said look man, you can think someones stealin from the cookie jar but if you don't catch em you don't catch em, but they caught em there, and what not, and ah, you know, so hey man they caught him red handed the GUY WHO WAS DOING IT"

    Learn to listen; Again, Serra never claimed that happened to him.

  • @overgrow00

    Exactly what he said, wait, no it isn't;

    "They caught him, not him so much but, what Bj Penn has, he has legs to stand with that case, because the athletic commission caught em, they said look man, you can think someone stealin from the cookie jar but if you don't catch em you don't catch em, but they caught em there, and what not, and ah, you know, so hey man they caught him red handed the GUY WHO WAS DOING IT"

    Learn to listen; Again, Serra never claimed that happened to him.

  • @Theobrothers "what can i do? with IDIOTS ON THE INTERNET [like theobrothers] that talk shit and i can't choke them out threw the computer. all i know is he was slippery and it was NOT sweat. what am i gonna do? ive greasers like gsp before... remember when i fought shonie carter? he could be sponsored by vaseline." lmao nice vid!

  • @overgrow00

    "what can i do?";

    1. Cite evidence of your Bullshit claims.

    2. Prove the claims I make false, through citation.

    3. Stop making up quote's and misquoting?

    4. Admit defeat after you fail to accomplish 1 through 3.

    Thanks for playing, I just got my ass handed to me on the Internet.

  • @Theobrothers meme

  • 1. sheilds (s)

    thats 6 grease allegations, 1 slippery allegation and 4 no claims... lmao thnaks for the fitch quote... i had no clue EVEN JON FITCH ACCUSED GSP OF GREASING. lmao

  • sweet now i have the quotes all together ready to blast every gsp "highlight" lmao if such a video is even possible. thanks theo!

    u lose

  • many people have just never seen the evidence against gsp. then i show them. probably hundreds of people. most are just ignorant of the fact that gsp is a GREASY CHEATING COWARD. but then there are the PATHETIC zuffa zombies, usually from canada, that are butt hurt that there hero is a known as a scumbag. they refuse to admit it publicly but deep own they all know. but 3 people have actually commented to me that i showed them first. it feels good :)

  • @overgrow00 that is 3 people on youtube... there was a few on yahoo answers. obviously all my friends and family know. lmao

    the spam marking shows they were mad i owned them... that or i was spamming. fucking idiot. hahahaha

  • isn't it crazy how the last 6 of gsps last 9 opponents have all accused him of being slippery? HAHAHAHA

    3 of them actually accuse him of "being greased" but not of "greasing himself" by saying he was slippery and IT WAS NOT SWEAT. slippery but not sweat = GREASE or graphite lmao

    1 just says his legs were slippery

    and the last 2 actually accuse him of greasing... not pussy footing around like they're stepping on proverbial eggshells... real men.

  • @overgrow00

    But not greasing right? hahahaha,

    You said and I quote "more evidence: hughes, serra, miller, sherk and penn have all accused him of greasing."

    Tough luck buddy, the claim was made, the claim was disproved, minus miller of course, but as we discussed, it makes no sense to hug and fist bump, smile and speak nicely to the guy who just cheated to win.

    3? cite it.

    No, only BJ came forward directly to accuse, Miller, like a coward, waited to jump on the proverbial bandwagon.

  • @Theobrothers the claim was not disproved... the claim is the same...

    AGAIN hughes, serra miller, sherk and penn have all accused GSP of GREASING.

    and the quotes to PROVE it again to come

  • @overgrow00

    "isn't it crazy how the last 6 of gsps last 9 opponents have all accused him of being slippery?"

    Isn't it crazy how you consistently make bullshit claims that can be disproved so quickly?

    Shields - No Claim, Ceaser made the claim about the leg, unless you can cite otherwise

    Koscheck - No Claim, Unless you can cite otherwise

    Hardy - No Claim, Unless you can cite otherwise

    Alves - No Claim, Unless you can cite otherwise

    That's 4 outta 4 with no claims, 6 outta 9 huh, lol!!

  • @Theobrothers lmao "gsps legs were slippery" he said it in his post fight interview with rogan... again i don't need to cite shit to prove, to the people i'm aiming for, that gsps a CHEATING COWARD... you already know gsps is a GREASER... i don't need to prove it to you. i'm aiming for people whom are ignorant to the evidence available... not the thick headed whom have witnessed the evidence and still side with gsp for nuthuggery. lmao

  • @Theobrothers so you had 3... hmmm 9-6= what again? 

  • @overgrow00

    From: bit(dot)ly/rG4trJ

    Q- "Matt Hughes came out recently and said that St. Pierre felt greasy what are your thoughts did he feel greasy to you?"

    Fitch- "I didn’t notice anything like that. To be honest for the past few years everyone I’ve fought has felt greasy. I didn’t feel anything different than anyone else. It’s kind of a cop-out. I’ll never say I lost because…Even if they are greasy If you’re a real mixed martial artist you’ll find a way to overcome that."

    5 of 5

  • @Theobrothers lmao "everyone i've fought has felt greasy. i didn't feel anything different [fighting gsp] than anyone else" LMAO

  • @overgrow00

    Oh forgot;

    B.J. Penn - He greased, I'm suing.

    Serra- No Claim, /watch?v=8aa65MKc0bY

    Hughes - He was slick

    Koscheck, again - No Claim

    Serra, again- No Claim, /watch?v=8aa65MKc0bY

    Hughes - He was slick

    So that's his 9 last opponents, 1 claimed grease, 1 said slick, 7 claimed NOTHING.

  • @Theobrothers last 10 opponents 7 have accused him of being greased

  • @overgrow00 wait no... last 11 opponents 7 have accused gsp of greasing

  • @overgrow00 Don't change the subject hahahahahaha, 6 of last 9 right. Here let me help you, lol....

    NC=No claim

    G=Greasing

    S=Slick

    1.Shields(NC), 2.Koscheck(NC), 3.Hardy(NC), 4.Alves(NC), 5.Penn(G), 6.Fitch(NC), 7.Serra(NC), 8.Hughes(S), 9.Koscheck(NC), 10.Serra(NC), 11.Hughes(S), 12.Penn(NC), 13.Sherk(NC), 14.Trigg(NC), 15.Miller(G)

    Last 9 fights - 7 No Claims, 1 Slick, 1 Grease

    Last 11 fights - 8 No Claims, 2 Slick, 1 Grease

    Last 15 fights - 11 No Claims, 2 Slicks, and 2 Grease

  • @Theobrothers to juicy to give up! you are going by fights, not fighters. LMAO of the last 11different fighters gsp has fought he has been accused of greasing by 6 and accused of being slippery, without denying it was sweat, by another. again being slippery without sweat = grease. 2 kos (nc) 3 hardy (nc) 4 alves (nc) 5 penn (g) 6 fitch (g) 7 serra (g) 8 hughes (g) 9 sherk (g) 10 trigg (nc) 11 miller (g) O-W-N-E-D
  • @Theobrothers LMAO nice cite! it shows matt serra ACCUSING GSP OF GREASING! LMAO

  • @overgrow00

    No it doesn't, lol? It shows him talking about the BJ Penn fight and that the commission will deal with it. In regards to HIMSELF, he in no way says GSP greased, lol.

  • only guy i hugged after fighting was the guy who kicked my ass. its about showing submission... weeks later, after the stitches came out, i was back to hating him.

  • @overgrow00

    Not a surprise you get your ass kicked in fights.

    Getting your ass kicked and hugging != Hugging a guy who cheated and won

    I in no way made that claim so what are you talking about. LOL

  • "Only Miller claimed that, and as anybody who watched that fight knows, he fist bumped and hugged him at the end of the fight. Why would you do that to someone who cheated? Makes no logical sense little buddy." theobrothers

    this is my favorite quote... it comes from the mind of someone who doesn't fight or hasn't been dominated in a fight... so uneducated

  • @overgrow00

    Wait, you fight? And have been dominated in a fight? LoL

    I've seen tons of guys not shake hands or want to be cordial after a fight in which they thought the other guy cheated. In fact I've seen a guy hit the guy he thought(knew) cheated after the fight was over, IN the UFC even! LOL

    The cheater: /watch?v=Y2I5s68bDvU

    The attack: /watch?v=dRWSCVcijyQ

    See, again; You = bullshit claims, Me = proof cited by evidence

  • @Theobrothers he was even hurt in the fight... that equals not being dominated you moron.

    and explain how not being sweaty but being slippery is not greasing... please ;)

  • @overgrow00 not hurt*

  • @Theobrothers "i thre the punch at kos after the bell because he called me a bitch nigger" paul daley

    if you want the cite then goggle it lazy fuck. haha

  • "whether it was lotion gsp puts on the day before and it comes out from his pores or he greased i don't know. all i know is he was slippery and it WAS NOT SWEAT" matt hughes 

  • "while locked in my tight guard, i noticed that for some reason i was having trouble keeping my opponents head down. i felt the familiar slick that i would get everyday at kickboxing practice on my nose and eyes, only it was on my opponents neck, now up 2 rounds, Vaseline" mayhem miller

    whether it was lotion [gsp] puts on the day before and it comes out from his pores or he greased i don't know. all i know is he was slippery and it WAS NOT SWEAT" matt hughes 

  • "gsp greased for both my fights with him" matt hughes

    "he was slippery and it was NOT sweat." matt serra

    "gsp was very very slippery. He must had some oil on or something" sean sherk

    "we caught gsp greasing" NSAC employee

    "i would like to see a more proactive stance against greasing agents used in the octagon"

    "good luck with your fight with gsp, hes a huge roider and greaser" kenny florian

  • i have proven to many people gsp is a GREASER... i feel good about the work i have put in.

    THE HIGH GROUND dun dun dun

  • @overgrow00

    Many people? Where are they? In your house? What work?

    Copy and pasting without though to why? Quoting without citation and claims without evidence. Ya... you should be real proud, lol.

    Claims without evidence, dun dun dun.

    Funny thing is I see tons of your comments being marked as spam, seems strange since you are obviously proving your points, to many people. LOL

  • "almost none" = 7/8... lmao that sums up everything you bring to the table... hahahaha and miller said he must had oil on him... does that not count as grease either? LMAO

    oh shit you trolled me in again... but wait i spit it out!

  • @overgrow00

    7/8? You quoted a whole lot of stuff that was in regards to greasing being used in the UFC, it wasn't simply one quote, lol. Can you count?

    Also, you never cited anything, ever... Yay for logical discourse.

    sherdog(dot)com/news/articles/­M-is-for-Mayhem-on-MTV-16744

    “It’s like, ‘Yeah, get over it,’ but it was the same thing when I fought him and he was greased up,” said Miller. “I was like, ‘[Referee] Big John [McCarthy], he’s greased up.’ He didn’t give a damn.

    Really?

  • proof: 1.evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth. CHECK

  • i hope you bite on it... i do

  • i'll just continue my copy and paste later to get rid of your non-since. for now on anyone who comes to this video will see 1 full page of quotes talking about gsp being a GREASY CHEATING COWARD... sweet

  • @overgrow00

    Almost none of your quotes are regarding GSP, nor have you cited where they come from. For all we know you made them up, but again, they aren't regarding GSP greasing. Only Miller claimed that, and as anybody who watched that fight knows, he fist bumped and hugged him at the end of the fight. Why would you do that to someone who cheated? Makes no logical sense little buddy.

  • greasing is more widespread than you'd think, guys will do it hours before a fight, letting the vaseline seep into the skin and sweating it out when the fight starts" mac danzig

  • @overgrow00

    Again, premise of this debate is?

    You lost brother? LOL.

  • "it definitely wasn't fair for Mr. penn" NSAC president keith kizer

  • validity there." MATT HUGHES

  • "we told the commission before the fight to be on the lookout for gsp greasing. then they caught him having grease applied to his back" bj penn

  • "gsp was very very slippery. He must had some oil on or something" sean sherk

  • "gsp greased for both my fights with him" matt hughes

    "he was slippery and it was NOT sweat." matt serra

    

  • @overgrow00

    Really, Cite it? LOL

    From: matt-hughes(dot)com/blog1/2009­/02/10/matt-veach/

    "I think a lot of people need to go back and reread last week’s blog, including GSP. At no point did I accuse Georges of putting grease on himself. All I said was that he felt slick."

  • @overgrow00

    NOT sweat != Grease.

    Unless of course you can prove it?

  • @Theobrothers slippery and not sweat does = grease moron

  • @overgrow00

    So anyway, when are you gonna prove GSP greases? I'm still waiting for that.

    So far we have;

    - Matt Hughes, saying he never said GSP greased, only that he was slick.

    - Matt Serra, well dunno cause you won't cite, so nothing so far.

    - Jason Miller, Fist bumping and hugging GSP at the end of their fight and then coming out to say he greased way after that fight, seemingly suspicious to any logical individual.

    - Sean Sherk, I ain't saying nothing about no one.

    So ya, evidence?

  • @overgrow00

    Also, I just finished watching the Miller fight. Seems strange to me that Miller would fist pound GSP in the final round, and give him a hug after the fight. If I TRULY thought someone was cheating, I SURE wouldn't do that. I'd treat them as a cheater, with annoyance, anger, and disdain.

    Even more evidence that he was a bitch bandwagoning to somehow resurrect his image.

    LOL, man the more I look into this, the more it looks like a bunch of whiny excuse makers.

  • @overgrow00

    Oh almost forgot, citation on the Matt Serra comment also or it didn't happen.

    Man you are getting schooled son.

  • bitter taste will now leave me

  • "greasing is a huge problem in the sport" "big" jon mcarthy

  • @overgrow00

    Is that in regards to GSP specifically? If not what does it have to do with this particular debate? Were we debating, "The UFC and greasing, a huge problem that may never be solved"

    Oops, my bad, I can't seem to follow your astute logical skills...

  • @Theobrothers you didn't know that is evidence to show that gsp could have cheated? LMAO no surprise

  • @overgrow00

    Again, this is what happened the last time. I would rebut your every comment, and you would simply move on to another with no comment on the previous. You would CAPS and 1 line, copy and Ad Hom, with no little to no points.

    Unless the comment was directed at GSP and you can prove it was, then I can't say it was no.

    Ad Hom, Meme's, and CAPS all in one sentence, you are truly improving your debate skills.

    Wow... just wow.... lol

  • @Theobrothers me have big vocabulary but me have no logic... derpa derpa follow the line step for step HAHAHAHA

  • citations are to much work whine whine cry cry

    "watch out when u fight gsp, bj. gsp is taking steroids" kenny florian

  • @overgrow00

    You called me out for not quoting a whole video when I quoted AND cited the video with a link, and you hypocritically can't be bothered to cite something you JUST copy and pasted.

    Shut the fuck up you tard. LOL

  • @Theobrothers your excuse.. it takes to much time whine whine cry cry

  • @Theobrothers so thick lmao

  • @overgrow00

    Ad Hom,

    Citing a whole video wouldn't fit in 10 boxes, nor is it a logical step when you can simply link the video.

    Cite where my logic is flawed? You claiming it doesn't make it so.

    Keep making more fallacious one liners, it's real proof you are on the winning side of the debate. lol...

  • @Theobrothers nice one liner you have used over and over and over and well you get the idea... wait.. no you probably don't... :)

  • @Theobrothers "meme meme meme meme"

  • "whether it was lotion he puts on the day before and it comes out form his pores" matt hughes

  • "i would like to see a more proactice stance against greasing agents used in the octagon" kenny florian

  • "while locked in my tight guard, i noticed that for some reason i was having trouble keeping my opponents head down. i felt the familiar slick that i would get everyday at kickboxing practice on my nose and eyes, only it was on my opponents neck, now up 2 rounds, Vaseline" mayhem miller

  • @overgrow00

    Citation please.

    On topic.

    LOL, ya I figured why quote miller as it was pretty obvious he would jump at any chance to excuse away his inability to do anything in that fight. I'm watching the fight on my second monitor right now, hahahahaha, he is getting beat to every punch, it's so funny. HAHAHHAA

  • @Theobrothers yeah... miller totaly accused bisbing of greasing... HAHAHAHAHAHA

  • @overgrow00

    You are a slow one...

    Well that would blow any chance of believability. Think about it, if he started claiming everyone he lost to did, then he would fast become untrustworthy. So, he just jumped on the bandwagon long after his fight with GSP as he saw the chance to be vindicated for being such a horrible, Nick Diaz, level fighter and excuse maker.

    See, very easy to see the motivation.

  • @Theobrothers horrible logic for the loss

  • @Theobrothers OWNED

  • since that other guy was to afraid to get the quotes i'll do it...

    heres a VIDEO on YOUTUBE "Matt Hughes and Sean Sherk on Greasing in UFC "

  • @overgrow00

    I did quote them, are you claiming I didn't? hmmmmm

    I also added the link to the video, are you claiming I didn't? hmmmmmm

    You are a smart one. LOL

  • whats the name of the song?

  • GSP = Devil Worshiper, Devil's Sperm

    GSP vs Condit = scared not hurt

  • @sicko1021

    Ya surgery is super fake voodoo magic!

  • GSP...next victim........................­...diaz

  • Nick Diaz - True Welterweight Champion - 209

  • DIAZ IS THE BEST AND SOON EVERYONE WILL UNDERSTAND THIS...

  • @overgrow00

    You don't see GSP winning @ all? i love diaz and believe this kid is the absolute truth, but i cannot c GSP losing. I can't see any1 out strike him,or out wrestling him. I see a typical take you down and do wat i want gsp match

  • @MrGoldenSports so you think gsp will grease for this fight too then?

    i know nicks takedown defense will defend many tds from gsp... his bjj is also perfect for being on his back. he can sweep gsp after being aggressive with submission threats or he can get back to his feet with ease... he has the better gas tank BY FAR... gsp will try to dictate with takedowns but will gas close to the 3rd when nick will still be close to 100%... nick will outclass gsp standing.... no question

  • @MrGoldenSports gsp striking is fucking overrated, he does not have the balls to stand with diaz. He can only win by lay and pray, just watch.

  • @lilsm555

    At least you admit GSP will win. As long as we all agree.

  • @overgrow00

    no question Diaz has the best cardio in the sport bar none, but where talking about GSP here not BJ PENN... when was the last time GSP's Cardio Has Failed Him? Nick diaz isent going up against a past his prime bj penn, or a pual daley, he is legitimatley going against a top 5 p4p fighter in the world, and i see gsp 48-47 all judges

  • @MrGoldenSports the last time gsps cardio failed him was against jake shields. gsp lost both rnd 4 and 5 because of the pace jake continued to bring gsp. nicks pace will be much faster and i see gsp wilting late into the 2nd. besides the penn fight was much harder than this gsp fight will be. penn is p4p better than gsp, thats the truth. and penn is onlt past his "prime" because hes a stud and will not take steroids like your boy gsp. penn is better than gsp when he isn't greased

  • @overgrow00

    jake shields? no way, GSP was pushing that fight, so often that shields didnt ATTEMPT a take down until dound 3-4 becsause of te dangers of gsp although shields is more dangerous on the ground. Gsp was much more active so shields may have been m,ore "fresh" in rounds 4-5 but its easy when gsp was the one who was actually doing all if the engaging in the first 15 minutes... i mean this is George St. Pierre. are you actually willing to count out THE BEST?

  • @MrGoldenSports gsp is NOT the best, just because zuffa would like you to believe that does not make it factual. i suggest you go back and watch gsp vs shields again. jake got the better of gsp on SEVERAL exchanges in the 1st 3 rnds. why didn't he shoot tds on gsp, cause gsp was so dangerous? lmao no. i'm not sure why he didn't try to take gsp down but speculate it might have something to do with someone paying jake off possibly. it happens. besides jake is a shadow of nick

  • @MrGoldenSports besides just watch gsp lose to penn the first time they fought and then GREASE for their rematch... then compare those poor performances with nick spectacular performance he put on against penn... now compare nicks execution to gsps... if you haven't came to the conclusion that nick is the favorite in this fight you are blind, dumb or an uneducated fan. don't be a sheep...

    to say you can't see gsp get out-struck is retarded. we've seen him get out-stuck...

  • @overgrow00

    GSP has only lost to people named Matt, which he then destroyed in their subsequent fights.

    As for BJ, he quit between rounds vs GSP and was put on a longer, no training medical leave than with Diaz.

    LoL... You are defining yourself. The only people who think Diaz can beat GSP are poor people who see themselves in Diaz.

    Diaz looks worse on paper in every way, educate yourself.

  • @Theobrothers lmao gsp GREASED and had EXTRA RNDS... derpa derpa

  • @overgrow00

    1 round. Watch GSP train with Joe Rogan. Nick looked just as bad as BJ, Nick had a longer med suspension from contact than BJ, lol! and BJ was out longer after GSP in 94, etc etc etc.

    I already beat you in this debate. You remember don't you. It ended with you childishly copying my every sentence because I demolished your every point and you had no other recourse?

    Keep up with the childish /b/aaaaa Meme's, they definitely accomplish what they are supposed to, LOL!

  • @Theobrothers gsp greased...

    i win

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  • @Theobrothers "demolished your every point" = ignore every point you made and give retarded rebuttals about grammer... hmmm interesting :)

  • @overgrow00

    Not at all, lol.

    You didn't like that I would throw in a correction in grammar along with the destroying of your position, so you devolved into copying my every sentence.

    I'm all about dissecting people fallacious and vacuous drivel. Not my problem if you can't handle it and have to resort to sticking your fingers in your ears and saying Nya-Nya-na-Nya-Nya.

    It was a mature event no doubt. You make Stockton proud son. LOL

  • @Theobrothers YOU ignored EVER REBUTTAL I MADE...

    YOU BROUGHT ZERO TO THE TABLE...

    SORRY KID I'M OUT OF YOUR LEAGUE.

  • @overgrow00

    Um, I rebutted your every point, you then ignored my point and made a new one, which I in turn factually knocked down, Ad Nauseum.

    Anyway, this is how you started to devolve the conversation last time, you went to all caps, then to copying my every line.

    You are definitely out of my league....

  • @Theobrothers oh thats right... so where is the evidence you provided in your reubttals? wait... what about in this one... err ahhh waaaa huh? hahaha

    OWNED

  • @Theobrothers WHAT YOU JUST DID WAS NYA-NYA-NYY-NA-NYA NYA WHILE CLOSING YOUR EYES...

  • @overgrow00

    See, here we go. Let the devolution begin, lol haha.

  • @Theobrothers THANKS LOL!!

  • @overgrow00

    " "

    That pretty much sums up the substance of your every statement. Thanks for pointing that out. LOL!!

  • @Theobrothers QUICK NOW THING OF SOMETHING WITTY TO SAY SINCE YOU HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE TO SHOW HE DIDN'T GREASE! QUICK!

  • @overgrow00

    My evidence was simply that he would have been banned if it was proven. So tell me, who was banned for "greasing". You made the claim, I countered, where's your evidence that HE greased. Don't backtrack please, remember you have consistently said HE greased, no different than if I stated HE drove a car, no one else drove or greased right? So where is that evidence of him greasing himself up?

    Don't worry, I'll wait.

  • @Theobrothers hahahahahahahaha

  • @Theobrothers youtube "greasegate" and you will be able to watch the fight again where the camera catches him having grease applied to his back... theres PROOF... more evidence: hughes, serra, miller, sherk and penn have all accused him of greasing. even shields said his legs were slippery... more evidence...

    then we have your evidence... if you don't get in trouble for cheating you didn't cheat... LMAO out of your league KIDDO

    canadian?

    x-wrestler who didn't amount to much?

  • @overgrow00

    No no no, I could argue the trainer's application too but I won't as that isn't the debate. You stated HE greased, how is someone "greasing" him proof that HE greased. You don't see the discrepancy in your logic?

    Actually many of them have never accused him of greasing, what most of them said is he was more "slick" than other people they have fought. In fact, some of them said specifically they would never accuse him like BJ did. Shall I quote?

  • @Theobrothers to late... nice try though ;)