Although I have no problem with cyclists filtering to the front at a red (in fact, I support it, the faster we all get to where we are going, the better) I really don't think it is any safer.
It increases the chance that the first motor vehicle in the line will be trying to pass you in or just past the intersection, which is when it is most difficult to keep an eye on what is behind you.
@psteverific for cyclists , i see what you mean. If the traffic was gridlocked then it is a great advantage but if you were just waiting on some light then why?
I will never understand the purpose of orange light when changing from red. Why do you need a warning that it's about to turn green? It's not the end of the world if you lose a couple seconds when it turns to green because of sloe reaction.
i see nothing wrong with cycling through red lights if done sensibly. Theres always large gaps in lights to take avantage of, and it certainly saves me considerable time every day. If this guy had calmly waited for all the cars to pass it would have been fine, i cycle this way largely due to the fact it's safer when done correctly.
because we should be better than that. obey the rules of the road, cycle positively and safely and don't antagonise car drivers unneccessarily. I cycle a lot and I cycle within the rules and it's not uncommon for me to get a barrel load of abuse second hand, just because some other cyclist has had a go at drivers and I'm being lumped in with the 'bad' crowd.
well if youre referring to different "crowds" of cyclists...only other cyclists will know if youre in the "good" or "bad" crowd, drivers couldnt care less, they'll shout at us and treat us like shit regardless of how we act as individuals
I think someone should take his license. Oh I forgot you don't need a license to ride a bicycle and there can never be one due to childrens bikes, etc.
Most of the time there is need of such a margin compared with the pulling of power compared with a car. Its better to be ahead then behind some car which wants to pass through the lights quickly. Just have to take each situation as it comes.
If pedestrians are crossing then stop if its empty then its ok. Don't freak out over small things.
Perhaps, if this was "just" a pedestrian crossing! But it's the joining point of a 50mph dual carriageway (cars from the left) with a five lane trunk road...
In any case I agree with what you're saying, that each situation is different (a good motto to ride by)
@Tzimnewman3 cyclists don't have licences because it is a RIGHT not a privilege. It's akin to having a licence for walking which btw, some walkers are out right ridiculous.
You are entirely correct though, I'm just saying in addition to....
You followed best practice, nice video. In fairness, I suspect two of the cars probably did jump red there so perhaps his shouting at them was justified. OTOH he and the other rider were muppets for not waiting behind the stop line.
He was shouting and gesturing because the lights controlling the traffic from your left had gone to red and the car ran the stop light.
He was doing what many cyclists do, wait till the conflicting signals turn red then proceed in order to give themselves some 'safe room from the vehicles behind them, it's common practice .. well done that man.
Crap.. there were already 3 bikes at the front of the queue so he was hardly needing safe room from the cars already stuck behind us!
I'm not totally against bouncing red lights in every circumstance, but riding in front of oncoming traffic "for safe room" is a total contradiction.
The white line for that traffic stream is a long way back, the car could easily have crossed on amber and the light turned red by the time we see him enter from left.
Your lights turned to amber as the final car from your left was in the box junction, he ran his stop light and I suspect the car in front of him also did, imagine if that was a cyclist, he would have been run down from traffic in your lane.
The front biker was in a safe position by the barriers and dependant on local knowledge he felt it necessary to be in that position either because of past experiences or for personal gain, his manoeuvre is often a safer option dependant on location.
I hear what you're saying, but I just don't think that riding into the oncoming traffic (whether it's jumped the red or not) is safer than sitting back.
What if the car had swerved and hit someone?
If the car had been a cyclist, he would still have got through the junction before any of our traffic could have reached him (assuming we started from the line).
If the cyclist was afraid of the traffic, he could easily have sat in front of us - I overtook him either way.
Local knowledge is u r unlikely to go at top speed anyway with the next junction ahead, unless u like wasting brake pads. disobey d law n shout at other ppl.. tat is special.
What is this "The front biker was in a safe position by the barriers and dependant on local knowledge he felt it necessary to be in that position" cr*p ?
If there is a red traffic light, the highway code says you must stop with your vehicle at the light. which means the line of the light. not 10 m behind the light, not even 2 foot behind the light.
OBEY THE HIGHWAY CODE ! imagine how dangerous roads would be if car dirvers would feel that they need to stop, or jump a light...
@rumple6236 a bike has every right to occupy a lane. In fact it's usually safer to do so and perfectly legal. The biker running the red light, however, is neither safe nor legal.
thats just stupid, he should have been going over 30 mph so if he hits a car he will burn a hole in it and come out unharmed.
TheGoogelfag 2 months ago
Although I have no problem with cyclists filtering to the front at a red (in fact, I support it, the faster we all get to where we are going, the better) I really don't think it is any safer.
It increases the chance that the first motor vehicle in the line will be trying to pass you in or just past the intersection, which is when it is most difficult to keep an eye on what is behind you.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this
psteverific 5 months ago
@psteverific for cyclists , i see what you mean. If the traffic was gridlocked then it is a great advantage but if you were just waiting on some light then why?
jimbo80982 2 months ago
It's people like him that give cyclists a bad name.
foggy460 5 months ago
car jumped red light,
n325aej 11 months ago
and this is why you should be made to carry insurance.
battlestarone 11 months ago
I will never understand the purpose of orange light when changing from red. Why do you need a warning that it's about to turn green? It's not the end of the world if you lose a couple seconds when it turns to green because of sloe reaction.
NaceLunk 1 year ago
@NaceLunk It's there to warn road users that the light is going to change to red.
ScottishPoliceVideos 6 months ago
the risk of jumping a red is say a car is jumping it or going thru at amber coming from the left then you are mincemeat
innit27 1 year ago
they're not a cyclist, just someone who rides a bike....
gavtatu 1 year ago
THOSE CARS SHOULD STOP! YOU HAVE TO YIELD TO BICYCLES!
youztuber5000 1 year ago
I would of flattened him!
djseant1 1 year ago
The third bike was passing illegally by passing the car that stopped
samten10a 1 year ago
Why did you stop at the light and let me hit you doing 80!!!??!!??!
pcfxer 1 year ago
i see nothing wrong with cycling through red lights if done sensibly. Theres always large gaps in lights to take avantage of, and it certainly saves me considerable time every day. If this guy had calmly waited for all the cars to pass it would have been fine, i cycle this way largely due to the fact it's safer when done correctly.
andyr798ken 1 year ago
he was probably watching a pedestrian light which turned red first and thought it was for the cars... what a moron...
TrueAiR 2 years ago
I don't mind cyclists, I just hate the irresponsible and arrogant ones.
Wasabi4Concrete 2 years ago 13
cars shout at cyclists when we have done nothing wrong, why shouldnt we do the same to them?
lauralaz1 2 years ago
because we should be better than that. obey the rules of the road, cycle positively and safely and don't antagonise car drivers unneccessarily. I cycle a lot and I cycle within the rules and it's not uncommon for me to get a barrel load of abuse second hand, just because some other cyclist has had a go at drivers and I'm being lumped in with the 'bad' crowd.
BillKenn 2 years ago 5
well if youre referring to different "crowds" of cyclists...only other cyclists will know if youre in the "good" or "bad" crowd, drivers couldnt care less, they'll shout at us and treat us like shit regardless of how we act as individuals
lauralaz1 2 years ago
Very true, that's a good argument :)
wazztie16 2 years ago
I think someone should take his license. Oh I forgot you don't need a license to ride a bicycle and there can never be one due to childrens bikes, etc.
Most of the time there is need of such a margin compared with the pulling of power compared with a car. Its better to be ahead then behind some car which wants to pass through the lights quickly. Just have to take each situation as it comes.
If pedestrians are crossing then stop if its empty then its ok. Don't freak out over small things.
Tzimnewman3 3 years ago
Perhaps, if this was "just" a pedestrian crossing! But it's the joining point of a 50mph dual carriageway (cars from the left) with a five lane trunk road...
In any case I agree with what you're saying, that each situation is different (a good motto to ride by)
EdinburghFixed 3 years ago
@EdinburghFixed heh if only po po saw it that way eh?
jimbo80982 2 months ago
@Tzimnewman3 cyclists don't have licences because it is a RIGHT not a privilege. It's akin to having a licence for walking which btw, some walkers are out right ridiculous.
You are entirely correct though, I'm just saying in addition to....
pcfxer 1 year ago
Your are quite right, this is terrbile. GET RID OF ALL CARS from EDINBURGH CITY CENTRE you get in our way
cptvhiltz 3 years ago
You followed best practice, nice video. In fairness, I suspect two of the cars probably did jump red there so perhaps his shouting at them was justified. OTOH he and the other rider were muppets for not waiting behind the stop line.
lsmike 3 years ago
He was shouting and gesturing because the lights controlling the traffic from your left had gone to red and the car ran the stop light.
He was doing what many cyclists do, wait till the conflicting signals turn red then proceed in order to give themselves some 'safe room from the vehicles behind them, it's common practice .. well done that man.
urbanmanc 3 years ago
Crap.. there were already 3 bikes at the front of the queue so he was hardly needing safe room from the cars already stuck behind us!
I'm not totally against bouncing red lights in every circumstance, but riding in front of oncoming traffic "for safe room" is a total contradiction.
The white line for that traffic stream is a long way back, the car could easily have crossed on amber and the light turned red by the time we see him enter from left.
Faster yes, safer no... special yes!
EdinburghFixed 3 years ago 2
Your lights turned to amber as the final car from your left was in the box junction, he ran his stop light and I suspect the car in front of him also did, imagine if that was a cyclist, he would have been run down from traffic in your lane.
The front biker was in a safe position by the barriers and dependant on local knowledge he felt it necessary to be in that position either because of past experiences or for personal gain, his manoeuvre is often a safer option dependant on location.
urbanmanc 3 years ago
I hear what you're saying, but I just don't think that riding into the oncoming traffic (whether it's jumped the red or not) is safer than sitting back.
What if the car had swerved and hit someone?
If the car had been a cyclist, he would still have got through the junction before any of our traffic could have reached him (assuming we started from the line).
If the cyclist was afraid of the traffic, he could easily have sat in front of us - I overtook him either way.
EdinburghFixed 3 years ago
Local knowledge is u r unlikely to go at top speed anyway with the next junction ahead, unless u like wasting brake pads. disobey d law n shout at other ppl.. tat is special.
Garfieldmad 2 years ago
@urbanmanc
What is this "The front biker was in a safe position by the barriers and dependant on local knowledge he felt it necessary to be in that position" cr*p ?
If there is a red traffic light, the highway code says you must stop with your vehicle at the light. which means the line of the light. not 10 m behind the light, not even 2 foot behind the light.
OBEY THE HIGHWAY CODE ! imagine how dangerous roads would be if car dirvers would feel that they need to stop, or jump a light...
szita2000 9 months ago
except of course that the 3 vehicles behind him were bikes occupying the the entire inside lane. I don't know why people defend muppets like this
rumple6236 2 years ago
@rumple6236 a bike has every right to occupy a lane. In fact it's usually safer to do so and perfectly legal. The biker running the red light, however, is neither safe nor legal.
BeeryUSA 1 year ago
joker. get it all the time down here. thing is when one of them get squashed we all shout and get mad when perhaps sometimes, it's their own fault.
mycycleclips 3 years ago
I make mistakes sometimes- usually when not concentrating.
227paddy 3 years ago