Kembry ha Kernow Bys Vyken

[alphasmokey]

The cornish language is very similar to Welsh but with more 'K's in their words

[TheMarrification]

@alphasmokey definately.They both along with Breton are all in the same language family. With Cornish, there's no Q, X or Z in the alphabet and no C, just a 'CH' instead, pronounced 'cha', they just use K or S for C sounds, whereas correct me if I'm wrong but there's no 'K' in Welsh, they use a C instead

[Brythonek]

Looks like GarlicScotch is taking a bit of a pastyin' from the Cornish lad... ha ha ha... Bugger' off back to Brigadoon mr Garlic and don't come here insulting us.

Celtic brotherhood!!! Load of 5H1T in my opinion! Kernow bys vykken! Cornish and proud!

[malx1975]

By the way, the Scots who seem to be wearing an English adaptation of an Irish costume ought to abandon the bagpipes too, seeing as they came from the middle east and were first noted in the British Isles by Geoffrey Chaucer, an Englishman. Yet another "phoney" Scotch tradition.... not much else left other than porridge really is there?

[scottishnationalist]

1. The highland bagpipes never came from the middle east the hgreat highland bagpipes came from scotland.

2. The highland kilt never came from ireland. the scots wore a liene like the irish. However. the kilt was developed in 16th century scotland.

"By the way, the Scots who seem to be wearing an English adaptation of an Irish"#

The story of thomas rawlson adapting the short kilt is hearsay and holds no relevence.

[malx1975]

So before you were saying it was just hearsay, now you are providing evidence to contradict your earlier statements? So the KILT as is worn today was invented by an Englishman, and you have a gall to lay into the Cornish. By the way I'd rather have a pasty than a bowl of salty bloody horsefood or a fried mars bar...

[gaelicscots]

"So before you were saying it was just hearsay, now you are providing evidence to contradict your earlier statements?"

If you read my post I started with the word 'if'. I was giving a hypothesis.

"So the KILT as is worn today was invented by an Englishman, "

There is no evidence that rawlinson did come up with todays kilt. it is widely disreputed by historians.

check the secretary of of the tartans authority.

the curator of the tartans museum,

adam hart davies.

etc.

[malx1975]

No surprise that the secretary of the tartans authority and the curator of the tartans musem would deny such claims? Think of all the tourist money they would lose when the Americans and Canadians stopped buying their "authentic Scotch kilts"...LOL!!! It seems that the Irish also claim the kilt then, and seeing as the Scots are basically Irish immigrants on Brythonic soil I think you are dodgy ground laying into the Cornish as you have done.

[gaelicscots]

funny how the vast majority of cornish have english last names.

[malx1975]

Cornish names like Trevelyan, Tremethack, Vellenoweth, Penhaligon etc etc.

What about the Scots names, Livingstone, Bell, Armstrong, Flemming, Lyon, Graham? Gaelic are they?

What about the Welsh names, Jones, Williams, Davies, Roberts, going to tell Shane Williams he isn't Welsh now are you? Silly Scotchman, go and fry a mars bar and stop making a fool of yourself here.

[gaelicscots]

I am not disputing that there are no cornish names. I am saying thae the majority of cornish I met when I studied at falmouth, had english last names.

[malx1975]

What exactly is an English last name? Silly line of argument here, the majority of Welsh people technically have "English" surnames or names derived from English does that make them not Welsh? Could you elucidate please? What exactly would you define an English name? I am sure Gordon Brown would be interested to know too.

[gaelicscots]

assuming the rawlinson story is true, which it is unlikely that it is. he did NOT invent the kilt you fucktard, the kilt existed before rawlinson.

and the great kilt which is not a long shirt, was worn by highlander in the 16th century.

NOW FUCK OFF AND AND FIDDLE WITH SOMEONES ELSES CULTURE. you idenitity starved cornish pastie eating cunt

[gaelicscots]

After the Jacobite campaign of 1715 the government was "opening" the Highlands to outside exploitation and Rawlinson was one of the businessmen who took advantage of the situation. It was thought that the traditional Highland kilt, the "belted plaid" which consisted of a large cloak, was inconvenient for tree cutters. He supposedly brought the Highland garment to a tailor, intent on making it more practical. The tailor responded by cutting it in two. introduicng the new kilt

[malx1975]

Scottish nationalist getting a bit hot under the collar aren't you?

FACT:-

The traditional dress of the Highlanders was in fact a long Irish shirt and a cloak or plaid, he states, and only the higher classes had woven in stripes and colours creating tartan. The kilts appearance can, in fact, be dated within a few years. For it did not evolve, it was invented. Its inventor was an English

Quaker from Lancashire, Thomas Rawlinson.

[malx1975]

By the way, jeans were not an American invention. Denim, the material takes its name from Nimes in France, de Nimes, material of Nimes and jeans take their name from the Italian city of Genoa, "Genes" in French. At one time the Republic of Genoa controlled a lot of what is now France. Denim cotton trousers were worn in the area as far back as the late middle ages.

[malx1975]

Gaelicscots: the point I was trying to make is that it doesn't matter. How petty and stupid is all this going to get? I we going to stop using toilets because they were not invented by a Cornishman? Pitiful... Arthur Guiness was English, does that mean the Irish should boycott the fine black brew....?

[scottishnationalist]

The kilt is a strong componant of scottish history , tradition, culture and identity. It belongs to no one but the scots.

Why dont you invent a pair of cornish lederhosen, that has as much historical accuracy as a cornish kilt.

[malx1975]

Did you know that the modern kilt was invented by an Englishman in Glasgow during the Industrial revolution? He belted the plaid to stop his highland workers getting their plaids caught up in the machinery. Does that make the kilt not Scottish then? No one in Cornwall claims that An Gof or Flamank wore kilts, it is a "modern tradition", afterall, all traditions start somewhere...

[gaelicscots]

malx that was nothing more than hear say. the short kilt was worn by the black watch well before thomas rawlinson.

please do your research and get a fucking clue before you open your god.

[malx1975]

I have done my research, the Black Watch was formed 1739, I think you'll find Thomas Rawlinson the Quaker from Lancashire pre-dates them. Wrong again, bet you wish you hadn't been so rude and arrogant either because now who looks like a silly Scotch tw@t?

[gaelicscots]

wheres your cornish lederhosen. ?

what other parts of scottish culture are you going to steal. ?

[malx1975]

Wasn't it Alexander Bell who stole the telephone from the Italian Meucci? It just shows what a pitiful excuse you are that you can't get angry about a bloody bit of dyed wool stitched to a belt.--- that was of course invented by an Englishman!!!

[gaelicscots]

A letter published in the Edinburgh Magazine in March 1785 by one Ivan Baillie argued that the garment people would today recognize as a kilt was invented around the 1720s by Thomas Rawlinson, a Quaker from Lancashire. Rawlinson was claimed to have designed it for the Highlanders who worked in his new charcoal production facility in the woods of northern Scotland.

[kernowmitch]

I willing to bet you own a pair of denium jeans, but do you think may be i shouldn't wear them because American Cowboys wore them first, or may be i shouldn't wear my Cornwall rugby shirt because i never played rugby for Cornwall, the same with everyone walking around towns and citys wearing football tops, they never played football for that team so why do they wear them? I have never worn a kilt but if i did i would wear one with the Cornish tartan on it, and why not?

[gaelicscots]

what does jeans have in common with scotlands national dress. the kilt is a strong part of scotlands identity, I am in the blackwatch and my ancestors fought and died in it. americans jeans are not americas national dress.

[kernowmitch]

I was only saying that just because the kilt was first worn in the highlands doesn't mean you have the sole right to wear it

[scottishnationalist]

I think anyoone should be free to wear the kilt; wether they be english, american, german, japanese etc.

What I do object to is false histories and cultures. there are some cornish I have spkoen to that swear blindely that the cornish wore kilts.

[NothFeondOnHelle]

It would be pointless mate! The very fact that they call themselves "celts" shows their complete ignorance of historical fact.

As a side point-it's good to see a Scottish Nat who doesn't buy into all this celtic rubbish!

[NothFeondOnHelle]

Because they believe that wearing 17th century Scottish national dress makes them celts.

The ancient Cornish kilt, established way back in the 1960s. LOL

[CornishNeverEnglish]

Kernow yw konna tyr orth penn Breten Veur. Kernow yw bro geltek na Sowsnek. Kernewek agan yeth. Kernow bys vyken.

Google 'CornishNotEnglish'

[CornishNeverEnglish]

Google search 'CornishNotEnglish' for lots more on the truth regarding Kernow

[CornishNeverEnglish]

For all answers google search 'CornishNotEnglish'

[mush1955]

Fairs fair now its a Welshmans turn......and I wanna kiss Hilary Coleman ( please )

[kernowmitch]

in the year 838 the cornish border was from the river Taw to the river Exe FACT. I know where you are going with the pasty issue. a pasty ingredients menu was found in devon which pre-dates any found in cornwall, this proves nothing as cornish women had no need to write down the menu it was passed down from mother to daughter for generations and most people couldn`t read or write anyway.

[munkittytunkitty]

Kembry bys vykken. Kernow bys vykken. An Alban bys vykken. Ha Pow Saws bys vykken ynwedh!

Cymru am byth. Cernyw am byth. Yr Alban am byth. A Lloegr am byth hefyd!

[jamgibsonjamgibson]

I can assure you that nearly all people from Devon are not claiming to be celtic kilt wearers, although we have eaten pastys as long as the cornish (and in fact the best tasting ones are made in Devon). I can't stand these pretenders even less than you. They are simply racist, separatist agitators. They stop me from commenting on most of their 'made up history' sites. Because I'm prepared to stand there and disagree.

[BobMonkfish]

I am Scottish, and that's a sweeping statement. Considering both have Celtic languages, similar folk music cuisine, and economies based a little too much on farming, fishing and mining.

[AngleMerc]

scotborn-Your spot on with ur comments!!!

Cornish nationalists r a small bunch of culture vultures with a large martyr complex,as can be seen with chauncy and madbiker.

Its nice to see a Scottish nationalist who doesnt buy into that stupid pseudo celtic identity.

[Chauncy666]

none of them really are sept Cornish and Breton cultures

[Chauncy666]

but we never laid claim to it were just wearing it because it brings our CELTIC cultures together into a more stronger group of unforgotten anceint peoples

[Chauncy666]

or maybe were just sharing with you to bring our celtic cultures closer together maybe

[Chauncy666]

made up culture and language are you an idiot or somthing take a look at us our culture is very unique and our language is probably older than yours because need i remind you Brythoric is alot older than Gaelic

[Chauncy666]

ok ok

chill scotsman geez

next ur gonna be saying the Pasty is scottish

[rudey05]

The Pasty is from Devon ;)

[fletch2002]

Ok, just to clear this up... The time the pasty was made all of Devon and most of the south west of England belogned to Cornwall. therefore, yes maybe the pasty was created in what now is known as Devon, but it was made in cornwall by the Cornish.

thanks =]

[jamgibsonjamgibson]

You don't provide any evidence to 'clear this up' at all, there is none whatsoever, I have never heard of a time when any other part of the South west belonged to Cornwall. What history book have you been reading from? Are you telling porkies for the townies to believe?

[kernowmitch]

how can you say that the pasty comes from devon

[Chauncy666]

we have our own culture we wear kilts because its a symbol of celts and not just scots

you call yourself a fucking celt and you go off on one against other celts what are you an english lover i take it you are one of those who think saxons are supeirour or somin

KERNOW BYS VYKKEN!!!

Neb bucka doo reeg kibia ma cophan

[Chauncy666]

the celts all wear kilts its unknown who really wore the kilt first

we all have out own cultures but also share the universal celtic culture

[kernowoggie]

you are talking crap. The Cornish were called the Brythonic Celts by the Romans. This means tartan wearing! Hate to say it but the evidence points to tartan being worn in Cornwall BEFORE it was worn in Scotland!

[onemanmission]

the celts did not nor duid they ever wear kilts, the celts wore trousers and sometimes a cloak. the kilt was developed in the 16 th century, in the highlands of scotland, It was the traditional dress of gaelic highlanders NOT the fucking cornish fuck off and stay out of scots culture

[BobMonkfish]

Because kilts have been adopted as a Celtic "national" dress. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

[OnenHagAll]

We never took the kilts , kilts are the national dress of all the celtic nations and always has been. But the greatest wearers (in numbers that is ) and the first of the Celtic nations to reagain independance was scotland , but all the celtic people wore them , but when they were invaded they died out , now scotland rewore them , so now their scottish all of a sudden.

[BobMonkfish]

All the national outifts are pretty suspect anyway. Especially that Welsh one. But while the Celts get stick for it, it should be borne in mind that England's heritage is largely invented too.

[jamgibsonjamgibson]

It certainly isn't us that are reinventing history. Pastys, kilts, bagpipes what next? wicker men. 'tis Lydford law to hang and draw and sit in judgement after' Makes intresting reading for people who might want to vote for a 'tinners' parliament.

[BobMonkfish]

Oh I think you'll find England invents history too. Boris Johnson and John Major have talked about a thousand years of "British democracy". Since the British state is only 300 years old, and democracy younger than that, it's unlikely Norman pirates and thugs had a democracy themselves.

[jamgibsonjamgibson]

I take Boris Johnson and John Majors claims less seriously than I do your own

[stecymru14]

KERNOW BYS VYKEN + CYMRU AM BYTH