Sheet Metal Box & Pan Brake Tutorial - Grizzly Brake in my home shop

[MrJacksking]

might be a little easier if you were to scribe them on a piece if rubber instead of carpet..

[kw757]

So, you're the asshole that lives upstairs making all the noise!

[saunixcomp]

@kw757 I managed to get by for 3 years with no noise complaints!

[MegaUniboy]

can I ask what is the box for?

[benbca]

like a real man, has his workshop a foot from his kitchen. nicely thought out

[redhawklsx]

SAFETY GLASS????/ SHOES? be a good saftey role model for people getting into metal working please.

[weesenz1992]

is that ur your home?

[saunixcomp]

@weesenz1992 Yes, at the time it was my NYC apartment

[donnyab]

thats aluminium right its definitely not steel ?

[saunixcomp]

@donnyab it is 16GA sheet metal (steel)

[MrWatlow]

You don't believe in PPE?

[joshuae1994]

why the fuck you use a vernier as a scribe

[saunixcomp]

@joshuae1994 In order to mark an accurate line.

[730M]

Bare Feet he will learn ? and shorts

[730M]

Bare Feet he will learn ?

[hotpuppy72]

Nice video. I find it fascinating that you have your shop setup in your living room. It's great that you are pursuing your hobby. As others have said, safety only takes a second and accidents are instant. We all have the same interests and some of us have a little more space and power. :) I've got some bigger tools, but I do essentially the same things.

[neonbeach62]

Looks like he has all that setup in his apt. livingroom..

[neonbeach62]

Looks like he has all that setup in his apt. livingroom.

[mustang2440]

I fully agree with MRShoaf about the safety aspects. I just cringed at seeing barefeet in a metal workshop with sharp edges. Not to mention seeing how close his fingers were to a live bandsaw blade. Ouch--I can't watch this. A terrible example of how to with no safety concerns. Hope no kids are watching this.

[MrRShoaf]

Good tutorial in how NOT to set up a band saw. Making the first cut the blade guide is set high enough from the work to take out a thumb.

NO safety glasses, And NO shoes.

As an old guy (50) working in shops since junior high I can tell you there is a really good reason for good safety practices.

[otaner79]

easy to do and more simple way to do,but great job

[saunixcomp]

@otaner79 What's an easier way?

[pirreli5]

@saunixcomp the easist way is to have correct tools...i could make that box in 5 mins with welded corners:))

[moonebeame]

i can show you a trick with the box and pan brake for completing the sides of a box.

[saunixcomp]

@moonebeame I would love to hear/see the trick. Can you post?

[moonebeame]

@saunixcomp i sent you the drawings to your inbox thru youtube - it's not something i've made a video of.

[stewartx5]

@19mmspanner

If I understand you correctly, that's roughly what he did in the video. My setup doesn't require this since the small fingers can be clamped inside the box. Of course, I can't go beyond a 90° angle because of the side pieces, but I can go right up to that and then use metal bending pliers to align the final bends. This produces fine bends without hammers or similar impact tools which can easily leave dents or marks in the metal.

[saunixcomp]

@stewartx5 do you have photos your set up with the grizzly and the clamping bar? would love to see.

[stewartx5]

@saunixcomp Just got video camera for Christmas. Once I figure out how to operate it & editing software, intend to post several videos of shop, including bending brake. Will duplicate box shown in your video to show difference. Main difference is that the "finger" is placed onto the side to be folded (clamped in place), with remaining box bent over from behind towards the "finger." Nothing above to block movement. As explained, sides prevent beyond 90° angle to align. Bending pliers solve that.

[rat32chevy]

No goggles?

[saunixcomp]

@WestCoastMods I'm sorry you felt it was a comedy skit. To avoid wasting your time in the future, I would recommend that you not watch any of my other videos.

As for the safety issues: you are absolutely right. I should have being wearing shoes and eye protection. But guess what? This is how we learn. There is no more 'shop class' in high school these days. So hopefully beginners who see this video will gain a better understanding and appreciation of shop safety.

[TAWPTool]

@WestCoastMods, I have found that pompous blowhards enjoy putting others down to bolster their self-image. Trust me, that's not necessary or appreciated here.

saunixcomp has done an incredible job of documenting his progression through the learning process of his new hobby. Hundreds (thousands?) have enjoyed following that progression and have learned much from watching his many videos.

Guy in Sacramento

[WestCoastMods]

@TAWPTool Yeah, you're right. I hadn't seen any of his other vids, just this one and I made a bad judgment call. I have since seen his other vids and not only have I sent him a apology, but have subbed his channel.

[TAWPTool]

@WestCoastMods Then my initial impression was incorrect as well! You are a gentleman.

I think you'll enjoy watching him progress. I am watching his Tormach series intently and enjoy the detailed narration, and even when he points out mistakes that are made. I KNOW these tips will prevent me from making the same mistakes (though I am infinitely qualified to make my own new ones! lol).

Welcome to the fold. Enjoy the ride.

Guy in Sacramento

[WestCoastMods]

@TAWPTool Thanks Guy in Sac. Yeah I too have been following his Tormach series and I very interested (even though I couldn't afford one) lol

Cheers

LazyMan

[yotamarker]

how much wight can the box carry ?

[yotamarker]

how much did the metal cost ?

[stewartx5]

Pan & box brakes are simply too expensive for the average hobbyist. I saved considerable money by buying an inexpensive 30" flat bending brake (Grizzly G9952, under $60) and an extra clamping bar for that. I then used an angle grinder to cut "fingers" (c-clamped into place) for various size work (.5". 1", 2", 3", etc) from that extra clamping bar. I can now bend metal from 1/2" to 30" using this setup. Since the bend is from the back, no significant clearance issues.

[saunixcomp]

@stewartx5 I like this idea!  Sounds like a great 'mod'.

[jordanlj1]

hi please wear safety glasses nice video

[sergeantsailorman]

Hi again. One other comment I hope is helpful. An easy way to secure your metal when marking it, is to take a lesson from the woodworkers. When you get your new workbench, drill some hole in it about 2 inches deep to hold removable.dowls that stick up a couple of inches. Install some scrap 2x4's underneath the bench if necessary. Place your metal against the dowls and mark away. Or, a piece of foam used underneath carpet works good on your bench to hold your metal stationary while marking it.

[sergeantsailorman]

Nice video. The first shop I've ever seen with a carpeted floor. If you extend the sides out a bit on each side, then bend them over as tabs, you can drill holes, and flush rivet it all together and it really looks good. Aviation type riveting. I'd get a compressor operated sheetmetal nibbler. Better than a saw, or hand sheers. Wear safety glasses. Getting away with it for ten years isn't worth it when you finally do get a sliver of metal in your eye. I wear mine 100% of time while in my shop.

[speaker00001]

wear some shoes, gloves and glasses while working with machinery? no? You may cut off a piece of your body by mistake.

[xdissent]

According to Grizzly, the G0557 has a maximum side bend height of 2 3/8", which explains why you had trouble. I had to email them to get that specification, since it was not listed on their site anywhere. Keep it under 2 3/8" and you should have perfect boxes.

[Pepito0001001001]

for layout try the incra rules, they'r fantastic! by the way, thanks for your vids, all of them are incredible! congratulations.

[saunixcomp]

@bcgrown88 I'm sorry to hear that you don't find my tutorial informative. Many folks have. Please feel free to avoid watching any of my future videos as I am often not successful. I find the best way to learn as an amateur is to experiment. I would not want to waste any more of your time.

[adisharr]

@bcgrown88 Hey I was hoping you had a solution but I went to your page and all your machining videos are missing! This must be some horrible mistake!

[robotmotor]

ITS REALLY GREAT VIDEO AND HELPFULL THANK YOU !

[robotmotor]

please tell me how much you buy this aluminum bending machine

[saunixcomp]

@robotmotor $275 + S&H from Grizzly. Model # G0557

[robotmotor]

@saunixcomp thank you

[corzinc]

Dude it's 22 gauge metal use a pair of snips and a scribe it's golden in sheet metal

[Hyack57]

@corzinc Agreed. I was thinking WTF on the bandsaw. That could have been done in no time with a pair of snips.

[zuppa100]

dude put some shoes on

[Darking22]

Very good job, but I think you should wear shoes to work. Another thing, you should not use the vernier to trace metal.

[timmytenbikes]

FWIW, given that you'd need to weld the edges of the box together, that's not how I'd make a box. It is how I'd make a lid for a box, but not the box.

That was a 9 x 12 blank with a 3" upstand right?

Cut a rectangle 6 x 6 and another one 12 x 3. Bend the 6x6 one through the middle at 90 degrees. That's the base and one side.

Bend the second piece 3" from each end to make a squared off "U" shape. That's the remaining 3 sides of the box.

[jayeleitch]

Why would you risk blinding yourself by cutting metal with no safety glasses, and put some shoes on too... dang...

[thanxx]

@jayeleitch sheeeesh there only eyes dude calm down!

[itin4265]

very cool video, you figured out how to make the perfect bends also. You could use the outer edge of your brake too, I agree with yeahsure72 you should become a tinner.

[posiden125]

look at making your own butt scribe too

[posiden125]

look at getting a height guage with a scribe to do layout also I use wiss snips

[saunixcomp]

Posiden - yes, thanks - I've since purchased a height gauge and it's incredibly useful!

[YeahSure72]

you should be a sheet metal worker =)=)

come to sweden and ill teach you

[deadbeaver]

this is really helpful.... thank you for posting this!

[stewartx5]

Commenters need to lighten up. This is a home handyman (providing tutorial for same), not a commercial sheet metal worker. Latter learns at college or jobsite, not YouTube. His choice of tools is fine, band saw throws material downward (little threat to eyes), and floor is not littered with metal shavings to threaten bare feet. I've worked like this for decades. My band saw is quieter (polite to neighbors) than air nibblers previously used.

[ytmachx]

I use my calipers almost every day to scribe and when the point gets dull I get a new pair out of the drawer. A dull point does not effect accuracy at all, unless you are measuring way out on the point. I also have carbide faced calipers that I use for the heavier scribing. The calipers are the best way to quickly and accurately scribe, especially on Dykem.

[tubetygrys]

I think you take quite a bit of liberty with the use of the term "tutorial", which implies proper instruction from an experienced person. Doing any type of metalworking with no glasses and bare feet sends a dangerous message and puts big holes in your credibility. Then there's the part that it didn't work either... I came to YouTube to learn how to do this right, not yet another way to do it wrong.

[saunixcomp]

Many folks have mentioned the safety issues - and I agree with them. Perhaps you shouldn't watch any more of my videos for fear of being mislead or under-educated?

[tubetygrys]

Perhaps. But seriously dude, I've been teaching metals for 20 years and I can tell you have a passion for it and you mean well. We all appreciate you sharing your stuff with others- but for the untold thousands who don't have enough experience to know how to avoid hurting themselves while learning - we owe it to them to lead by example, Good luck

[ytmachx]

Do those who have been teaching for 20 years actually say.."dude"?

[tubetygrys]

quod erat demonstrandum

[foxdmulder]

I watch your videos and I would like to thank you for posting them. I find them very educational and helpful. A lot of people make negative comments here and 'nitpick' faults on peoples videos and critasise their projects. Is it because they are master craftsmen or just wannabe's? Anyway, on behalf of the people of ireland that follow your posts and informative posts, Thankyou for giving me a look into your workshop and what you do. I have learned a lot from you.

Maurice. Ireland.

[saunixcomp]

Thanks for the kind words. Glad you are learning and enjoying!

[coolboarder44]

@tubetygrys Okay, I agree with the safety issues, but part of learning is making mistakes. I'm glad that saunixcomp posted this mistake and how he went about getting around it. I have come across this issue before and never knew how to get past it myseflf - for a while I thought I was only limited to a 2" depth bend on my brake, but now after watching this tutorial I realized that a pseudo-fix is possible. Thanks for uploading!

[jonn093]

shuldnt he be wearin safty glasses??!?! lol

[Benbluetiger]

We are acually making one of those now. Im kinda questioning though cause we are using a 6" by 6" square of metal.

[4stomper]

holy shizah mang

[ZGoldRush]

a band saw..? calipers to scribe..? I find it alot easier scribing top - down, you made it look very akward

[saunixcomp]

photolator - yes, I agree and others have pointed this out. There's nothing more precious or important than ones eyesight.

[photolator]

It's incredibly stupid to do this without safety glasses. Metal particles don't wipe out of th eye like dust and dirt; they get stuck and dig in. The first time an opthamologist drills a piece of swarf out of your eye, you'll understand.

[aprilmaranda]

far be it from me to tell you how to use your tools... but if you expect that caliper to last.... stop using it as a scribe

[saunixcomp]

I've had many folks tell me the same - yet I've known a few "wise" machinists well into their 60's who have used dial calipers as a scribe for years without any noticeable affect. As a hobby machinist, none of my tools are calibrated on a regular basis like a true precision shop would require. Until I personally see their accuracy affected (this pair is going on 2+ years and is still good to 1/2 a thou - which is likely false accuracy for a caliper ), I'm going to keep scribing!

[saunixcomp]

MicroMark

[pyrolyte]

What brand of band saw are you using there?

[theneilster2]

LOL

[AirbikeRon]

You might consider wearing eye protection whenever you operate that bandsaw, especially when your face is only inches away.