Pass Me The Pork Chops Please! I love Swine Flu!

[legionary419]

NYAHAHAHAHA BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, DROWN ME IN THEIR DEATH, SANITY IS FOR THE WEAK!!!!

[blackman089]

@legionary419 I CONCUR!!!

MILK FOR THE CORNFLAKES!!!!!

[JamesMF1982]

It's so good to know that most illnesses are the products of factory farming, etc etc. If we look back in history there were never any diseases. There was no massive pandemic in 1918 of Spanish Flu killing 50 to 100 million people. The bubinic plaque killing 1/3 to 1/2 of Europes population in the 14th Century.

[VibrantVegan]

Read "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond.

[gabbers58]

Great job!

[IdunCareLesSn00b]

Hes a gay.

[hialtrescue]

hahaha

[karmavirus]

/Meat eaters get more swine flu than vegans... so what? Does this mean that we should outlaw homosexuality because homosexuals have a much higher prevalence of the AIDS virus than the straight population? Does health risk equate morality? In that case ban smoking, car driving, sharp objects and all sex everywhere, public restrooms and water fountains.

And much like the AIDS virus can affect heterosexuals just as easily, Swine flu has no problem spreading from meat eater to vegan.

*cough*

[VibrantVegan]

Karmavirus,

You missed the point entirely! Factory farming is the perfect breeding ground for new diseases, like swine flu. People who eat meat(which is completely unnecessary and unhealthy on many levels) drive the demand for meat and thus the need for disease breeding factory farms.

[HellishKnight]

So yes, meat-eaters should bee outlawed and sent to prison or sentenced to death for eating our equals, such as cows and chipmunks.

AND QUIT STEALING FROM THE POOR, HELPLESS BEES!

[VibrantVegan]

Thanks for the comment AND the support!

[budfish41]

Yayyyy - more of the vegetarian, pro-PETA, anti-anything-American brainwashed lemmings who post a fallicious connection betwixt "factory" farming and swine flu.

I'll eat one lb of bacon in your honor this evening!

[AdemTD]

yeah that's a great video except for the fact that it's not factually correct. You won't get swine flu through eating properly cooked pork.

[VibrantVegan]

AdemTD,

You missed the point entirely. I never said you would or could get the flu from eating the flesh of pigs. Because people want to eat the muscles of the ribs, legs and backs of pigs, factory farms exist. Confining thousands of pigs in small spaces, where they live in their own shit, is the perfect environment for breeding and spreading diseases like swine flu. Did you know over 80% of pigs killed for humans to eat have pneumonia?

[AdemTD]

I can't say I knew that about swine pneumonia. I wasn't aware such statistics were kept. I agree that factory farms are terrible and do create unhealthy animals, but there's little we can do about it, unfortunately.

[Murimuria]

I would strongly question any such statistics and definitely not take them at face value, nor on the word of someone who is so obviously biased.

[VibrantVegan]

Obviously biased toward health and kindness? Yes, I would be suspicious too!

[Murimuria]

Nice spin. So anything you say is healthy and kind, and anyone who is in disagreement with you is somehow diseased and cruel? Please.

[VibrantVegan]

Murimuria,

The question I have for you is: Do you "strongly question any such statistics and definitely not take them at face value, nor on the word of someone who is so obviously biased" when it supports the consumption meat and milk? Or do you just buy right into it because of your obvious bias? I am just making my bias explicit. I am biased toward health and kindness. Health and kindness inform my thoughts and actions. What is your bias? Make it explicit.

[Murimuria]

"I am just making my bias explicit. I am biased toward health and kindness."

No, your bias is explicitly nothing more than your skewed opinion, which is what I question.

[gerryboy101]

vegan is not healthy though. i love meat:)

[VibrantVegan]

Sadly, you are misinformed. I challenge you to produce a peer reviewed study demonstrating your claim. If you are interested I will send you many such studies demonstrating that a diet based on animal products is a major source of many preventable diseases and deaths. Whether or not you "love meat" doesn't change the science. You eat what you do because of cultural conditioning and emotional attachment, not because you have done an honest assessment of the healthfulness of different diets.

[gerryboy101]

ok please send me some studies. i'm curious. i say that vegan isn't healthy because of 2 observations. my cousin turned vegan 10yrs ago and he looks like he has aids. he's so skinny and skin is always peeling, low energy levels. i also use to work for the city paper and my coworker vegan buddy was 400+ lbs. although they don't have any diseases

[gerryboy101]

we all know that when a woman becomes pregnant she craves a wide array of foods to feed her child. this is also an example of personal hunger or cravings. when i'm hungry i crave a steak, burger sometimes rice but rarely i crave a carrot or a leaf of lettuce.

[gerryboy101]

also dude. what nation, race has the longest living life expectancy? japan! japanese people eat high amounts of raw fish incl chicken, pork, rice and veggies. even the men out live americans and europeans. they also consume high amounts of alcohol AND smoke! so if you want to be healthy by diet..... mimic the japanese:) simple and logical

[CzarnyZazul]

Japanese people eat far less meat than western country.

Also, the diet trend slowly changes to match that of western diet, with these changes decline in health and increase in obeseity is also noticed.

I suspect if you want mimic japanese diet, it requires you eat less meat than currently you do.

Japanese people eat raw fish, but rarely will you find any other raw meat in their diet. They do not eat "high amounts" of pork and chicken, they eat far less.

[gerryboy101]

well statistics and facts speak loudest and japanese people aren't vegan. they live longer then americans AND europeans. western diet is the worst because of chemicals.

[CzarnyZazul]

Agreed, stats do not lie. Japanese people eat far less meat, specifically pork and beef.

There is NO stat that indicate western diet is worse do to chemicals. many eastern european countries eat much meat from farms without chemicals, but they do not seem to have many different problems than genral population.

If anything, the only thing your stat proves is westerners eat TOO much meat.

[gerryboy101]

i'm having trouble finding the chemical stat. but i firmly believe it because i always read labels on food items and i can't pronounce 1/2 the crap on it. i've traveled to asia and europe and from my observation. america has the worst eating habits and has the most unpronouncable items on there labels:)

[CzarnyZazul]

likely true, but as you pointed out, Japan's health is better than Europe, I suspect also better than South and Central America. So clearly, America is not only nation who can learn from Japan. I think that Japan is so consistently better health, amount their meat intake is note-worthy.

[gerryboy101]

i think japan is in the lead because they eat simple foods and a higher % of raw foods thus avoiding preservative chemicals. keep in mind that the average japanese male also smokes, drinks alcohol and has a high stress lifestyle similar to that of americans

[CzarnyZazul]

quite possibly that has effect. However, that in no way indicates that meat is needed, or healthy.

[gerryboy101]

well protien is needed and all the essential amino acids are necessary for good health. i don't know much about what vegans eat but as long as they can get all there amino acids and fats i suppose that good.

[CzarnyZazul]

That is true, you should look at how much iron and protein you get. Many people in industrialized countries get too much.

[gerryboy101]

ok now i'm really glad we have this discussion. i just researched on wikipedia that the okinawan people of japan have the highest number of centurians. 34.7 centenarians for every 100,000

[CzarnyZazul]

I never doubted that Japan had longevity. Everyone knows that. Question is why? Also, is copious meat consumption bad for industrialized countries?

[gerryboy101]

there diet is low calorie, low fat, high nutrient, yellow/ green vegetables (heavy on sweet potatoe) fish and almost NO meat, eggs, or dairy products!

[CzarnyZazul]

Okay, now I am confused.....I am rooting for the vegetarian / vegan side of the debate. It seems your argument supports that side.

[gerryboy101]

you are actually wining the debate! lol but wait... okinawa has the largest % of centurian by population but wikipidia says ANDORRA has the highest life expectancy of 85yrs, this includes male/female. i googled there diet and they eat meat and dairy products. maybe it's the wine:) also they are almost all catholic. lol

[CzarnyZazul]

Longevity should be looked at. However, there are many other factors confusing things. Stress for example. It is surprising to see the longevity in Japan because there is a lot of stress within the population that can be witnessed by suicide reports. I am sure you understand that longevity is not the last argument for health.

Whether veganism is a good idea perhaps has yet to be determined, but with much certainty, it can be established the west eats too much meat.

I think wine is cool.

[gerryboy101]

yes i agree. from my research i would conclude. eat less meat, whole foods, low fat high nutrient foods, guzzle back tons of wine and reduce stress. be vegan on weekends as a form of fasting:)

[CzarnyZazul]

I am vegetarian, but i don't like to argue against people who agree that society at large should reduce meat intake. I also do not like to argue with people who agree wine should be drunk in excess. Cheers, I'll add you as a friend.

[VibrantVegan]

Many researchers have noted that longevity results from several factors such as diet, exercise, stress levels and close relationships. It is important to cultivate excellence in all areas. In addition to learning from living communities we must also look to modern science. It would be impossible for you to completely replicate the lifestyle of the Andorrans or the Okinawans. We need modern science to tease apart the critical longevity factors we can duplicate in our own lives.

[gerryboy101]

find me a statistic of the average vegan life expectancy. as far as i've read the current and past longest living humans were not vegan and ate meat.

[CzarnyZazul]

well, since the world is approx 5% vegetarian with less than half of that 5% being vegan, then statistically it is not likely that vegans can compete many superlatives.

In other words, if you look at 1,000 people over age hundred, then evaluate their diets, vegans and vegetarians would be winning if there were 60 of them who were vegetarian or vegan. That stat is more confusing though, since i suspect there are more vegans today starting younger, and understanding it.

[gerryboy101]

interesting point.

[pokerace87]

vegetarian=omnivore.The countries with the highest life expectancy have a balanced diet of vegetables and meat.

[cyb6666]

hmmm its choice not fact, u boil or cook meat it will effectivly kill the toxins produced by the animal, i.e rabies in rabbits is easy to kill of as rabies resides in the spine remove the spine, cook in boiling water and u kill the disease, ok u are getting all gun-ho about being vegan, good for u, when i went veg, i got anaemia, i ate all the right things for protien and iron, but still got very, very ill, oh and i would kill animals to eat no problem, we are built with the teeth of omnivores

[oggatronic]

Excellent, just recently turned/turning vegan and was having meat cravings today but this has helped put me off eating meat. Damn, I want fried chicken, but I will only eat meat if I kill it myself which I would never do! Damn the cravings!!

[VibrantVegan]

oggatronic,

The good news is the cravings will go away, usually within 35-45 days. After about a year instead of cravings you will have meat repulsions. You will have built up so many negative associations with eating flesh that the thought of it will make you a little sick. Hang in there!

[oggatronic]

Thank you:) I did give into the cravings today however:( but it made me hot and dry, then I got anxious and aggressive. I think I was designed to eat the fruit of the garden of God (nature). Keep up the good work, I like this path.:)

[TheChemTrailReport]

I eat meat- Steak, Bacon, Sausage, Chicken, Veal, Hamburgers, Big Macs, Quarter Pounders, Hot Dogs on a stick, Gyros, Meatballs, Spam, T-Bones, Ground Round, and on a occasion I even like to snap into a Slim Jim, and since we are name dropping, Jack, Wendy, Ronald, The King, and even Carl Jr. are all personal friends of mine, you know what they say, you have too break a few eggs to make an omelet! just wash your hands more often, you will be fine, stop your belly aching! Kielbasa anyone?

[VibrantVegan]

You are part of the problem. Your desired to consume cooked corpses drives the factory farming machine that unleashes deadly diseases and dumps terrible toxins into the air and water we all share. I "belly ache" because neither you, nor anyone else needs to eat animals and endanger my children with superbugs and a toxic environment.

[Alphonzen]

You are cool for a human, VibrantVegan.

[VibrantVegan]

Thanks! I am doing the best I can with this human form.

[porolita22]

This swine flu thing really sucks, I hope it doesn't spread wider... it wouldn't be fair for me to get it... I don't eat pigs :'(

[mrjimmypayjo]

Swine flu. there's that karmic effect once again.

Well said!

I find it really sad that the only "quality" most people recognize in pigs, is the taste of their flesh. They are highly intelligent and lovable animals, but I guess a lot of our judgements these days are based on appearance.

[VibrantVegan]

So right mrjimmypayjo! I am glad more and more people are realizing how their food choices impact themselves, the planet and all other beings.

[liaq954044]

thats some funny sh#@

[joneselius]

Well I'm vegetarian I'm no vegan.

I find vegans have a lot of trouble with vitamins and stuff. Though I have started to purchase nuts for milk now, seeing as normal milk is nothing short of puss and sour disease. It really is disgusting the amount of flesh consumed on this planet isn't it. One species eating another.... It's almost like we're still cavemen. Oh wait, we are, WITH NUKES ¬_¬

[VibrantVegan]

Joneselius,

Thanks for the comment. I have been vegan for over 15yrs and what I have found is anyone, vegan, vegetarian or meat eater, who eats a diet based on processed, packaged food rather than whole food, has less than optimal health.

Way to go on cutting out the cow milk. Dairy is usually the hardest thing for people to give up. Big emotional attachments to cow milk.

[VeganButterfly]

I don't have trouble with vitamins at all!

Vegan food is a much better way to get your vitamins because it doesn't come with all that saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein. It doesn't come with animal suffering either!

[VibrantVegan]

Fabulous comment VeganButterfly! Vegan food, all the good stuff you need, none of the personal and planetary suffering you don't!

[porolita22]

Vegans who have problems with vitamins are either uneducated, lazy, or live under too much stress and eat poorly. I get everything I need from my vegan diet and have no problems whatsoever :-D