What I was noticing is they say 80% of gasoline is unburned so using this as an additive seems to make sense. Then there are the cars that are running 100% on HHO which is really the point we need to make the jump to. I'm getting reports from people who have been running it in their car for a year and it's great. Eventually just fill the gas tank with water so try it is what I suggest. Nothing to fear.
lol no, 80% of gasoline is only "not burnt" in a car that is misfiring. Engines are VERY efficient today. However, there are some HC's which are not burn, which is a very small amount, Usually under 100 PPM for a clean running vehicle
This is rediculous. You're adding a gas to your fuel mixture, which leans out the motor, which causes the idle to increase. This doesn't IMPROVE anything at all.
that is a carburated(?) engine, there is NO o2 sensor to lean the mix out. Atmospheric air is 22% o2, by adding 100% o2 from the HHO, the existing fuel is burned better. And if you do not think that was an improvement, you live under a rock.
Seriously though cock suckers like you end up sucking the cocks of the people you talk shit about. In the end when you are buying our HHO cells to save gas money that is the equivalent of you sucking our cocks. EOF...
lol, adding gas to your mixture will richen the mixture up big time. If you have a scanner try this with your car, its a good O2 sensor test. While the engine is running, and your looking at the scanner readings of the O2 sensor, add some propane to your intake, listen to your engine change, and your Volts on your O2 Sensor shoot up to about 800 or so.
There are a lot of videos on here with designs. The most important thing is to find some stainless steel. I ended up cutting up a stainless steel cooking bowl. Now credits to hho boosting efficiency do have some truth. There is no such thing as "free" energy. All this the generator is doing is transferring stored energy in your battery into combustible gas. After a while this will drain your battery and pull more from your alternator which again will lower your millage. You can counteract this..
Either switching the generator on and off periodically or charging your battery every night. Or possibly even adding a separate battery to run the generator.
it seems they been putting a bunch of i been ripped off about other hho generator for sale regardless if you sell them or not i think someone doesnt want people catching on to hho assist
HHO works. Had to make one of my own. Wall socket 8 plate. Bought one on ebay which was just 2 stainless bolts in water which produced little to nothing. There are conmen out there but it does work.
im planning on doing this to my kdx200. its a 2 stroke kawasaki dirt bike. hook it up to the magneto and should work sweet. im going to try just feeing it straight into the air intake i think. should have it trialling within the week.
and yes there is no reason why it shouldnt work with a 2 stroke. just watch the oil/fuel mix ratio because your introducing more fuel without more oil so you may want to turn up the oil mix abit. or if its an engine where you add the oil to the fuel add more maybe
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I plan to perform a similar experiment to my honda 5.5hp g160 engine. It would be cool if perhaps you could run another test, but have it run on the gas entirely. possibly remove the fuel line to demonstrate no fuel is used. that would be a cool test to see. if you could also add a alternator and battey to sustain the fuel cell would be cool too. anyway great stuff.
I have tried that but it kept blowing my bubblers, the reason for this is that I have to get rid of the waste spark and retard the ignition to after TDC, and I have not had time to do that yet but I am sure it is asolutly possible!
would you know how to adjust the igniton? Im guessing if a capacitor or coil network was installed in the HT lead, it could add a little time constant and delay the spark perhaps. just a theroy but sounds like it should work. if you know more let me know, it may be a mechanical adjustment or somthing
I must rekey the fly wheel and cancel every second spark with some kind of gearing or electronic devise, it is complicated that is why I have not done it, but it is not impossible!
yeah thats also what I had thought, rekeying would be slightly tricky, unless i guess you could drill it out and put some kind of pin or large grub screw through it.
is your engine a 2 stroke? if so it may favour better with 4 stroke engines perhaps... il keep you posted if i have any luck and post a vid
A four stroke doesn't produce a waste spark. you would need some gearing 2:1 and some kind of distributor for a two stroke to eliminate the extra spark. If running on hho alone, retard spark at least 30 deg after tdc. good luck.
Neat idea, maybe even removing the magnet in the hub, and use another engine for the magneto, but use a form of sleve to connect the crankshafts together to alter the timing that way maybe. the second engine would probaly not need any compression unless you were cunning enough to get it to fire on the hho, as we are just interested in the second magneto.
il have to retreat to the shack to test that theory. do this sound like a good aproach?
I got a lawnmower that stutters like that. I know little about engines but if I put a stream of hho to the intake it should show improvements or a BOOM.
its made up to earn money" and then the lying retard writes "who sad u cant run an engine on H2?" (you did retard) and this..."i NEVER EVER sad it doesn't work!" what a lair! why do you think people would trust you now? friggin kids..
A system doesn't have to be super efficient to meet 8 oz per week fuel savings and many people report savings greater than 25% (which would be to the order of 2.5 gallons per week for my commute)
He's (Assi2004) probably an oil company mis-info jerk. Or an OPEC junkie who wants to keep this stuff down. In the end The HHO will find a way. Keep up the good work.
The facts are quite simple. Gallon for gallon, water contains 2.5x the energy of gasoline. It's lengthy, but if you want, I'll do the math to prove it. If just 1 million people, that's less than 1:100 drivers would save 8 oz of gas per week, it would add up to 3,250,000 gals of gas per year. Big oil doesn't like that and will do anything to keep this stuff down. So, if people like Assi2004 want to keep their job, they have to dissuade only a few people to continue wasting just 8 oz per wk.
Greenpeace is too busy ramming ships to concern themselves with this. Why don't you try this before passing any judgment? The numbers are there, the facts are facts. Water contains more energy than gasoline and like gasoline it has to be "refined" to extract that energy. It does not waste fuel to power the electrolysis with the automobile alternator. Show me some hard data to back up your claim that this wastes fuel. If you don't have anything but disdain for this stuff, then ignore it.
yea get a life if all you have to do is blindly disown this concept, that works for so many people, if you think its wrong then let the rest of us normal/reasonable people save money and continue to develop this further, while you stay in your comfortable little box that makes you feel secure because you can easily reach out and touch the sides when ever you need to..
What are you talking about, Show me the enthalpy figures that proves your oppinion that water has a higher energy level than gasolene! And have you ever concider the Laws of physics; if you take water and electrolyse it (APPLY ENERGY TO SPLIT H20 INTO H2 and O) then combust it, to gain that energy and form H20. Where, the f**K do you think the alternator is coming in? If the alternator had the power to withhold an electrolysis of water, then everyone shouldnt be talking about H storage problems
I got better s**t to do than argue with you all day about this. I didn't say water was at a higher energy level than gasoline so don't put words where they don't exist. An alternator puts out roughly 600W of which 200 are regularly used. More than enough to electrolyze water and save gas at the levels I described.
What? Dont try to linger out of this. You said: "water contains 2.5x the energy of gasoline" . "Water contains more energy than gasoline and like gasoline it has to be "refined" to extract that energy". So Where did i "put words where they don't exist". The correct way to measure energy of a molecule is adding the bonds between molecules/atoms, and after combustion. And you ARE wrong. Petrol has much more energy per molecule. I havent got the exact numbers. And, Hydrogen contains energy, not H20
You stated, "...water has a higher energy level than gasolene!" I do know the difference in energy levels of the molecules and I'm strictly talking about hydrogen content.
Yes I know it is the Hydrogen in water that packs the punch and lb for lb, there are 2.5x hydrogen atoms in water than gasoline. If petrol is so great, why is it not used to launch rockets, since it has so much energy?
The video demonstrates this application of that hydrogen to run an ICE.
We are dealing with something NEW here....It is a fact that this gas is flammable and it come from the decomposition of water...So far so good...RIGHT I am not a scientist and I am not interested in scientific discussion I just want to know if the DAMM THING WORK... So lets be proactive and cut the scientific crap....
Ok! But you must be very source critic when you build your oppinion "if it works". I think like this; In a ICE, all oxygen in the air is used during combustion, some say that this procedure is ALSO adding oxygen to the engine. But then they dont think that when spliting the H20 into H2 and 0, you have the PERFECT ratio, which means that those 2 hydrogen moecule will bond to the oxygen and release energy when combusted (forming water again). So the thesis of "added oxygen" isn't much worth...
It is obvious that if we are "decomposing water we are going to get Oxygen but also we are getting hydrogen and this mixture is flammable So I am interested in creating my own devise to install in my truck and at least get couple of miles out of every gallon....I am not asking for a miracle yet
The second thesis: Adding another combustable substanse to the enginge (still combusting petrol), this is H2 and O, OxyHydrogen, HHO. Ok, as posted earlier, if it cannnot help the petrol combustion itself, it might be in some use in the total combustion. Since the energy density of hydrogen gas is way higher than the petrol (octane), then sure, it MAY affect the enginge combustion in a good way, BUT! WHERE do you take the energy to MAKE and store the Oxyhydrogen? Thats what people are forgetting
It seems like we are using few volts out of the car battery to decompose the water into HH O it do not seems to be any storing devise or tank from the unit it seems to go directly into the engine ....You are totally right the unit is using energy out to the alternator ....
Its not (H2 and O) Its HH and O You must teach at a university to argue this go buy two 1.50 cover plates bolt them together and apply DC voltage and light it see what happens gasoline exsplodes HHO inplodes argue that lets see the laws of physics they have be proved wrong before scienice is a guessing game its not like chess
So, you say that its HH, you mean its single H (actually H+) that are in the product?
If you electrolyse water you will get the folowing reaction: 2 H20 + e- -> 2 H2 + O2
Thats it! If you are basing your thought from the name HHO (taken by som "inventors" who came up with the "new" idea of cobusting H2 and O2 in a welder), then thats only a NAME.
Actually he is not producing 2h202 !!! he producing mainly 2H:O witch is browns gas (aka) mono atomic Hydrogen and Oxygen gas. The gases have very different property's!. One major difference is that BG will not explode only implode in high purity's.
Oxygen GAS is O2 not O (as you wrote). You might want to explain a bit further how this aparatus differs from the "normal" electrolysis, in terms of product.
The second thought I get is why would you want to ad a fuel that implodes into an engine that requires an explosion to drive the pistons?
Are you even thinking on what you are writing? If the pressure is less after ignition there wont be any expanding force that pushes the pistons in an ICE!
I understand that it makes no sense. I meant to reply to Nemesis167 when he said, "that BG [Brown's gas] will not explode only implode in high purity's."
It will produce water VAPOR that is several times greater in volume than liquid water. So it does NOT "implode" by any sense of the word.
heheh your so funny Left !....i think somtimes its really coupled with 1)humans being afraid of true change to thier way of life(for better OR worse) and 2)the corporate world likes to have everyone lulled to sleep!
are you freaking kidding me "Ass"i2004? There is HHO and a million other disassociated compounds in this world. Don't be a stupid ass. DO yourself a favor and take 8th grade science again. IDIOT!!
what in the f*()& are you talking you need to make some sense with your ramblings. why dont you stick to the point! oh and if you look at my vids youll see im already doing just that.running an ICE on HHO(or whatever you want to call it i really dont care what it name is!)
"are you freaking kidding me "Ass"i2004? There is HHO and a million other disassociated compounds in this world. Don't be a stupid ass. DO yourself a favor and take 8th grade science again. IDIOT!!"
whats ur point ?why are you trying to squash out a extremely awesome idea? are you a Iraqi oil dealer or something? i have made my own HHO generator out of household bits and pieces and it works perfectly, along with using it on my cars engine i also regularly have a bit of fun with it making small bottle rockets...
if u use the cars electricity to produce the H2/O2 u will:
NOT consume less fuel
it will be MORE consumption!
this is VERY easy math almost EVERYONE can understand:
every process takes more energy in as it is giving out (i mean useable energy, e.g. u lose some whit friction if u want to convert kinetic energy into electr.)
so the same, less than 30% effective conversion AGAIN (the electrolysis and dynamo not included, would be even less than)
30% of 30% are 9%
u lose ~21% efficiency
the overall efficiency depends on how much electr. u take from the dynamo, at 1% there is almost no change, but if u use 10kW (that are 14HP) to power the electrolysis cell it will be a great rise of fuel consumption
firstly its not called a dynamo, its a bloody alternator, secondly i have saved lots in fuel, i drive a lot and i drive the same way each day to work and back, it runs smoother,quieter way more economical and actually more powerful, and i have never seen a head and cylinder so clean after it has come OFF a engine , there is no carbon build up on exhaust valves or spark plugs, and i havent had to change the oil for (so far) 35000 KM's as the oil is still in great shape. continued..
btw i am a mechanical engineer thats why i have been able to check the things i have listed and compare them with a regular kind of engine running on petrol,unless you are trying to squash out the use of non fossil fuels and reduce emissions massively then stop criticizing this fantastic alternative ,for all those other people reading this please understand that this works and i have seen it with my own eyes and use it daily,there is no ill effects to my car whatsoever,its actually a lot better!
i dont know why, but the middle part of the text up there is missing... anyway...
im so sorry, its an alternator!
still a dynamo, call it what u want
the engine does not run
- more economic
- more powerful
this simply is not possible, if u are able to prove it, u would become rich
but u cant do it, u cant prove it!
and as i sad before, if u would inject any gas (CO2, He, exhaust gas, whatever) it does get "smoother" and "quieter" u should know that as a mechanician
buddy i have a full in house dyno and have made a very significant increase in power, around %20 actually, and the proof is in the pudding, i have saved many dollars just by implementing this technology into my personal car, for someone thats so hard out to make this great idea look bad for some reason they make many errors on things they obviously know nothing about (eg calling an alternator a "dynamo" ) continued...
also it just simply is not the case that "if u would inject any gas (CO2, He, exhaust gas, whatever) it does get "smoother" and "quieter" " there are many reasons why that im not wasting my time or effort divulging into, continued..
and as far as your question goes "why dont u just try it?" mate i have done this literally hundreds of times both with hho and without (naturally) and with exciting results, i really dont understand why you are so damn adamant about proving this concept wrong even tho people use and continue to use hho on there cars with astonishing results, the only reasons i can see is either a)you work for some government agency, b)a fuel/oil company c)off your meds d)smoking some crazy shit...
another added benifit is like i said before it burns much much cleaner with only water as the output, and with a higher octane rating its much more bang with a cleaner effect, besides not contaminating oil or generating excess heat, and the best part is its free and anywhere there is humans there is water continued...
i have tried my best to find a downside to this system/concept and the only thing i have found thats bad would be the space required to fit the cell, im sure through further testing and development we will see less petrol tanks and more hho generators that are more efficient and more cost effective (not that thats even remotely a problem at this stage..)
OMG this is ridiculous,you are the only person i have ever seen thats ever even said a bad thing about it,and you haven't even used it before,i don't have to prove anything to you or "try out what i tell u " because i don't think if there was physical proof in front of your eyes it would be enough, the reason i was "just talking about how cool it is" because it it bloody cool and it works really well,for me and other people, continued...
and like i said before i have tried what you said before hundreds of times, with great results, anyone else reading this know that this kid has a vendetta for this stuff for some whacked out reason and is completely unreasonable and ignorant, i have had enough of him/her...
you know what try it your self,get 2 pieces of stainless steel(anything thats clean,you can even use spoons)tape them together so they are close(2-3mm)but don't touch,use tape wrapped a few times around one spoon to separate them, tape both together,then if you have a torch battery(eg 6volt)and some wires connect one spoon to the - and one side to the +, you will see bubbles start to form, to test if its working ignite some of the bubbles with a lighter or something, stand back tho...
whats the bloody point of me telling you? honestly this is bloody ridiculous, even when i have been driving my car on hho for some time now and with great results (put it through many types of tests) along with many other people , its not good enough for you, this isnt a place where things are proven in stone mate its where people post vids of stuff and this particular vid is of a great idea that someone wants to share with normal/reasonable people, continued
and the other thing is too your not thinking bout it the right way, its not producing energy its simply unlocking it, the electricity consumed is used to split the water molecules into there crude form hydrogen and oxygen, when together they form a gas that has a lot of potential energy in it, that when ignited produces more energy than the electricity used, its not matter of making energy but unlocking it
fuck you you fucking piece of shit, i have had enough of you being a absolute ignorant dick head, i dont give a shit if you dont want me to answer, i have the right to, just because i cant physically show some fucked up retard on friggin you tube my setup in my car and then drown him in it, does not make it false, as i said before i am an engineer with years of experience that has personally tested this concept
and there are so many bloody peoples videos even on here that show the hho running a engine but for some reason we are supposed to still provide better evidence for some fucked up retard that obviously wanks off so much that parts off his brain have been ejaculated, no one has to prove nothing to this ignorant fool, i can fuck en do the math i have done it you fuck head! everyone else this bloody works dont listen to this dick head...
it cost nothing you fucken retard!!!!!!!!! if you dont belive videos then dont watch them faggot! and tell me this why would so many people waste there time using "special effects" or computer Animation"? and on you tube!! your the stupidest dick head ive ever communicated with...
some retard kids thinks they are so smart... ill bet you probably aren't even a teen yet.. stop wanking so much, it has obviously already sent you blind!!!
i have friggin answered your questions many times, but according to you there is no possible way i could convince you anyway! i cant show you countless videos because for some crazy reason people wasted there time doctoring them, and i cant write anything because you said "if u dont have any evidence except telling me something, its just not true what u are talking" so there is no possible way i can convince you,
if you lived close to me and i had the time/care i would take you for a drive (if your parents would let you..), then show you every detail of my set up run it on the dyno, show you before after ... then grab the back of your head by your hair and bash the shit out of you for being such a dickhead
Now i have had enough with your behavior. YOU are expressing yourself like ignorant youths do on the internet, more "idiot" "dickhead" instead of discussion. However, you did express yourself in a good maner in the start. I understand if you feel agrivated when people don't believe you, but don't take it as personal as you did. There are MUCH talk in these forums, and alt least I need some FACTS to back up the talk. The least one can be is source critic. But that you sure do know as a technican!
sue me.... i don't give a shit buddy, nothing has to be proven on bloody you tube, and if you think something does not work then prove it, its not a "Forum" .... ive had enough of ignorant fools on here and i have simply stopped trying to prove myself and defending myself and others, don't like it then don't read it... i do commend you on your mature approach though..
actually ill make a video for you, ill go through the whole process from start to finish, ill see if i can get a alternator from work and ill set up a small generator, video tape the lot, and show you the difference it makes..
it not supposed to be "evidence" you retard, its to crudely show to genuine normal reasonable grown up people that it can help performance as well, not to "prove" anything or make some sort of report ... you are such a typical retarded nerdy kid, and btw i am arguing plenty, you just cant see it, and i will say whatever the bloody hell i like,
"if u dont have any evidence except telling me something, its just not true what u are talking" this is a exact copy of what you wrote before, i copied and pasted it, if you don't even believe what you yourself have said, then what chance have any of us have!
why bother? it doesent matter what i say, it just words to you according to this "if u dont have any evidence except telling me something, its just not true what u are talking" , im not wasting my time on someone that is as IGNORANT as you...
hydrogen is 3-6 times more powerful(holds more potential energy) then fuel, think of it this way, to get different types of oils,fuels,gasses you have to heat crude oil to its boiling point for a amount of time, that uses lot of energy, but the end result is unlocked (figure of speech) from the crude oil, it "unlocks" more energy then it uses, thats why our globe runs on the stuff, the difference is there is emissions,and we are running out of crude oil, our earth is 70% covered in water..
it takes HEAPS of energy to het anything, especially as a catylist, what are you like some sort of friggin oil manufacturer now? go to bed you have school in the morning dick head!
bullshit, what makes your words true? are you some sort of scientist? "if u dont have any evidence except telling me something, its just not true what u are talking" , when everyones cars are running on this, then i hope you are grown up enough to realize what a tool youve been!and to everyone out there ALREADY running there cars on hydrogen, then i hope that it catches on to more of the more reasonable less ignorant people out there! fuck you Assi2004, i hope you die a slow death soon!
What do you think electrolysis does to water? You are not adding the energy to the water, but separating the components of the water. Burning the hydrogen and oxygen is a chemical reaction and basically the same reaction as burning gasoline without the useless carbon atom standing in the way. You talk of this great energy loss, but I don't see any data to back it up. Per Carnot's rule, burning hydrogen should improve the efficiency of an ICE, or do you even understand thermodynamics?
...Where are the energy needed for the Hydrolisation-process comming from? Ive read posts that state the posibility of going putting a BIG hydrolyser driven from the cars alternator and then using the HydroOxygen as fuel, running the entire engine on water; The Overunity machine! If we put our feets back on the ground, and think about the ICE efficiency. 0,3. getting 1 kW of "energy" through the alternator, you have to put in (at least) 3,33 kW of "energy" in fuel...
You miss the point entirely. You use the alternator to run the hydrolyzer. TRUE. You use the output of gas to supplement the petrol going into the carb. The extra hydrogen and oxygen improves the combustion. You lean out the gasoline into the ICE and the gases make up the difference. Think about a turbo charger. Its job is to put more gas and air (oxygen) into the cylinder for more power. By adding hydrogen and oxygen, you get the extra punch without the hp sacrifice. Better fuel economy.
Yesss. But the alternator doesent have 400 wats "free" that is already produced. It WILL take more fuel to gain the electricity needed to run the electrolyzer then if it wouldn't be attached. Since many of those who made hydrolyzers aren't keen on showing numbers. Ive seen a setup who made 1 L/min of Oxyhydrogen, using 40 amps at 12 Volt. That makes 480 Watts. Then since we use the ICE and alternator to feed the electicity, we get 480 x 3,33 = 1,6 kW (minimum). For 1 L of gas. Thats not WOW!!
Do you assume that it takes the whole ICE output to turn the alternator? That is what your figures imply. If you work it on paper, 480W = 2.7 L/m of H2. The avg. alternator can continuosly put out 600W at a cost of .80hp. The avg 4cyl engine puts out over 100hp, so you're taking 64/10000 of the output for hydrogen production at 480W. 2.7L/m of H2 gives a gal of gas equiv of .32 gph fuel savings. A lot better than 8 oz. per week.
for my daily commute that works out to a 15% fuel savings. I can accept a .64 hp trade off to save US$0.50 daily. Again, multiply that by 100M drivers and you get a nice $50,000,000 savings per day x 365 = $18,250,000 saved. Poor oil companies HAH!
fuck you shit head, i said that ages ago, you wanted to drag it on, stop wanking so much, it makes people want to kill you! if i ever did meet you thats exactly what id do, asides from giving you a long slow drawn out tortured death, stupid fuken kids these days think they know every thing, when people like me have to defend there credibility and experience to some fuked up retard nerdy kid.... go fuck your self retard!
Do not lost your cool....I just saw a circuit (voltage pulse generator) that can be couple to the HHO generator. It was build with an automotive coil and its instruction of how to build this circuit is on line, this circuit could increase the amount of gas generated out of the unit
that is a Kawasaki genarator!
spongbob202 1 year ago
adjust the fuel mixture screw .......... ace!....she's running a little lean!
1100tech 3 years ago 5
bingo
waynebofirst 2 years ago
almost like dry nos huh? just put it in the intake?
criticaboutvids 3 years ago
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you are an idiot Philipino who does not know which came first ! the Torah or the Bible or the Koran!
so, go work as a driver better than trying to say you know anything about engines!
maybe you can be a plumber! or change oil!
nothing else!
next time, try to learn how to comment!
u manerless yelow peice of steped on shit!
extremelypolite 3 years ago
Extremelypolite?
BTPossum 2 years ago
So what's the big deal? You're adding a very combustible gas to your air intake. Is it surprising that the engine revs higher?
disndat11 3 years ago
What I was noticing is they say 80% of gasoline is unburned so using this as an additive seems to make sense. Then there are the cars that are running 100% on HHO which is really the point we need to make the jump to. I'm getting reports from people who have been running it in their car for a year and it's great. Eventually just fill the gas tank with water so try it is what I suggest. Nothing to fear.
creativearchitect 3 years ago
lol no, 80% of gasoline is only "not burnt" in a car that is misfiring. Engines are VERY efficient today. However, there are some HC's which are not burn, which is a very small amount, Usually under 100 PPM for a clean running vehicle
ShowinYaHow 3 years ago
hell yea thats cool
aaronisdumbusa 3 years ago
This is rediculous. You're adding a gas to your fuel mixture, which leans out the motor, which causes the idle to increase. This doesn't IMPROVE anything at all.
jerkychew899 3 years ago
that is a carburated(?) engine, there is NO o2 sensor to lean the mix out. Atmospheric air is 22% o2, by adding 100% o2 from the HHO, the existing fuel is burned better. And if you do not think that was an improvement, you live under a rock.
southwest82 3 years ago 4
umm, dude, you don't need an O2 sensor to lean out the mixture.
importsstillsuck 3 years ago
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Seriously though cock suckers like you end up sucking the cocks of the people you talk shit about. In the end when you are buying our HHO cells to save gas money that is the equivalent of you sucking our cocks. EOF...
SinisterLegion 3 years ago
SinisterLegion
Sure thing cocksucker.
disndat11 3 years ago
lol, adding gas to your mixture will richen the mixture up big time. If you have a scanner try this with your car, its a good O2 sensor test. While the engine is running, and your looking at the scanner readings of the O2 sensor, add some propane to your intake, listen to your engine change, and your Volts on your O2 Sensor shoot up to about 800 or so.
ShowinYaHow 3 years ago
I want to build an HHO Fuel thing and boost my car's efficiency. not sure where to start
Hawqis1 3 years ago
There are a lot of videos on here with designs. The most important thing is to find some stainless steel. I ended up cutting up a stainless steel cooking bowl. Now credits to hho boosting efficiency do have some truth. There is no such thing as "free" energy. All this the generator is doing is transferring stored energy in your battery into combustible gas. After a while this will drain your battery and pull more from your alternator which again will lower your millage. You can counteract this..
rockandrolecreation 3 years ago
Either switching the generator on and off periodically or charging your battery every night. Or possibly even adding a separate battery to run the generator.
rockandrolecreation 3 years ago
can you send me plans for the cell u used?
thnks a bunch
pieguy111 3 years ago
i just build a water for gas HHO gas thing so if i put it on my QUAD will i get more performance but like a noticable amount ???
lilgamg 3 years ago
cool.. it will kinda be like running,. on NOs but not harmful to engine
Killerme460 3 years ago
it seems they been putting a bunch of i been ripped off about other hho generator for sale regardless if you sell them or not i think someone doesnt want people catching on to hho assist
commando7144 3 years ago
HHO works. Had to make one of my own. Wall socket 8 plate. Bought one on ebay which was just 2 stainless bolts in water which produced little to nothing. There are conmen out there but it does work.
MMadmike 3 years ago
What is making your HHO? Thats a TON of bubbles in the bubbler!
maxwell679 3 years ago
That is my HHO welder, see my other videos
bornman88 3 years ago
How many watts does your welder use and how much HHO does it produce per minute?
Joeviocoe 3 years ago
about 1 Kw and at that consumption around 200liter per hour
bornman88 3 years ago
@bornman88 1kw just for 3.3LPM? I like your job but is to much energy for it
arthus1971 1 year ago
im planning on doing this to my kdx200. its a 2 stroke kawasaki dirt bike. hook it up to the magneto and should work sweet. im going to try just feeing it straight into the air intake i think. should have it trialling within the week.
and yes there is no reason why it shouldnt work with a 2 stroke. just watch the oil/fuel mix ratio because your introducing more fuel without more oil so you may want to turn up the oil mix abit. or if its an engine where you add the oil to the fuel add more maybe
maulerrw 3 years ago
will this work on a two stroke engine?
atnekn 3 years ago
I have not tried but will soon
bornman88 3 years ago
I have been duped by Mike from WaterThrottle of USD250
I have purchased the water system since End of January and till to date had not received the item from him. Which accumulates to five months now. I had patiently accepted delays and would prefer the item delivered instead of refund but also had asked his advice as well which he suggested refund on may 14th. Till to date there was no refund
melvinleechenglee 3 years ago
I am sorry to hear that but what has this to do with me?
bornman88 3 years ago
If you paid via Paypal or credit card you can have it reversed
bornman88 3 years ago
try running hho on a two stoke engine, no compresion stroke, and the fly wheel only sparks one a rotation..
nessfer81 3 years ago
Great work! the results look very impressive.
I plan to perform a similar experiment to my honda 5.5hp g160 engine. It would be cool if perhaps you could run another test, but have it run on the gas entirely. possibly remove the fuel line to demonstrate no fuel is used. that would be a cool test to see. if you could also add a alternator and battey to sustain the fuel cell would be cool too. anyway great stuff.
kaboooom2000uk 3 years ago
I have tried that but it kept blowing my bubblers, the reason for this is that I have to get rid of the waste spark and retard the ignition to after TDC, and I have not had time to do that yet but I am sure it is asolutly possible!
bornman88 3 years ago
would you know how to adjust the igniton? Im guessing if a capacitor or coil network was installed in the HT lead, it could add a little time constant and delay the spark perhaps. just a theroy but sounds like it should work. if you know more let me know, it may be a mechanical adjustment or somthing
kaboooom2000uk 3 years ago
I must rekey the fly wheel and cancel every second spark with some kind of gearing or electronic devise, it is complicated that is why I have not done it, but it is not impossible!
bornman88 3 years ago
yeah thats also what I had thought, rekeying would be slightly tricky, unless i guess you could drill it out and put some kind of pin or large grub screw through it.
is your engine a 2 stroke? if so it may favour better with 4 stroke engines perhaps... il keep you posted if i have any luck and post a vid
kaboooom2000uk 3 years ago
A four stroke doesn't produce a waste spark. you would need some gearing 2:1 and some kind of distributor for a two stroke to eliminate the extra spark. If running on hho alone, retard spark at least 30 deg after tdc. good luck.
i5ere 3 years ago
It is the four stroke single cylynder that produce the waste spark on the inlet stroke ,it ignites the HHO as it is drawn in!
(a spark is created every revolution)
bornman88 3 years ago
You're right, I got confused there. Still, the 2:1 gearing and distributor setup would eliminate the spark. Thanks.
i5ere 3 years ago
Only coil pack ignition 4 stroke engines produce a waste spark. Single coil distributor ignitions only have one spark per cycle.
TooManySnakes 3 years ago
Neat idea, maybe even removing the magnet in the hub, and use another engine for the magneto, but use a form of sleve to connect the crankshafts together to alter the timing that way maybe. the second engine would probaly not need any compression unless you were cunning enough to get it to fire on the hho, as we are just interested in the second magneto.
il have to retreat to the shack to test that theory. do this sound like a good aproach?
kaboooom2000uk 3 years ago
Using a second engine solely to drive another magneto? Sounds like a huge load of parasitic drag to me.
TooManySnakes 3 years ago
-For all the detractors:
-A picture say a thousand words.............
peter455sd 3 years ago 6
I got a lawnmower that stutters like that. I know little about engines but if I put a stream of hho to the intake it should show improvements or a BOOM.
jkouAwstar 4 years ago 3
Before just putting it into your lawnmower, consider the waste spark which will cause it to run erratically. No BOOM, but maybe no run...
i5ere 4 years ago 2
That is an insane amount of output. WOW
TMAXXPUNISHER 4 years ago 3
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o yea this plus the proven technique to produce solar panels on news paper mills...
and the ability to blow up tuff with sound waves = the future
o and 1 question..how does "hho" stack up against: plasma and or photon..laser... metal cutters..?
in terms of raw power...with enviorment issues asside...?
or photon
alexzeegreat 4 years ago
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im lost and not relly interested in the arguement.....
but i do have a question is their a company that makes cars....engines,,,,or engine rebuilt kits
if i can swap some engine parts to get my car to run on this it will be great
if no such company exist then i'm getting a BANK loan!!!!!!
this could put an aend to the war in iraq...
looss of interest in oil.
and start a war with australia......
for all their water.....
lamo ...jk
alexzeegreat 4 years ago
That's bad ass!
Keep up the good fight!
Happy 420,
Matt
Matthappy420 4 years ago 4
"dude, there is no such thing as "HHO"
its made up to earn money" and then the lying retard writes "who sad u cant run an engine on H2?" (you did retard) and this..."i NEVER EVER sad it doesn't work!" what a lair! why do you think people would trust you now? friggin kids..
4cylaregay 4 years ago 3
A system doesn't have to be super efficient to meet 8 oz per week fuel savings and many people report savings greater than 25% (which would be to the order of 2.5 gallons per week for my commute)
i5ere 4 years ago 2
He's (Assi2004) probably an oil company mis-info jerk. Or an OPEC junkie who wants to keep this stuff down. In the end The HHO will find a way. Keep up the good work.
i5ere 4 years ago 2
The facts are quite simple. Gallon for gallon, water contains 2.5x the energy of gasoline. It's lengthy, but if you want, I'll do the math to prove it. If just 1 million people, that's less than 1:100 drivers would save 8 oz of gas per week, it would add up to 3,250,000 gals of gas per year. Big oil doesn't like that and will do anything to keep this stuff down. So, if people like Assi2004 want to keep their job, they have to dissuade only a few people to continue wasting just 8 oz per wk.
i5ere 4 years ago 2
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hahahaa, sure, i work for them!
everyone saying something else (like in the moon-landing plot) is in the plot as well
omg, dude!
and why is greenpeace not telling the same as u guys do?
if anyone want to rescue the earth, than its greenpeace!
but they know, its not saving fuel, its wasting even more!
why dont u send a e-mail or call some greenpeace ppl and ask them if thats good what ur doing
or aks anyone else that has a benefit just from selling electr. cells or whatever?
Assi2004 4 years ago
bahahahahaha ,so now your saying that because GREENPEACE don't endorse it then its a sham? your such a dumb ass retard...
4cylaregay 4 years ago 4
Greenpeace is too busy ramming ships to concern themselves with this. Why don't you try this before passing any judgment? The numbers are there, the facts are facts. Water contains more energy than gasoline and like gasoline it has to be "refined" to extract that energy. It does not waste fuel to power the electrolysis with the automobile alternator. Show me some hard data to back up your claim that this wastes fuel. If you don't have anything but disdain for this stuff, then ignore it.
i5ere 4 years ago 2
yea get a life if all you have to do is blindly disown this concept, that works for so many people, if you think its wrong then let the rest of us normal/reasonable people save money and continue to develop this further, while you stay in your comfortable little box that makes you feel secure because you can easily reach out and touch the sides when ever you need to..
4cylaregay 4 years ago 4
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What are you talking about, Show me the enthalpy figures that proves your oppinion that water has a higher energy level than gasolene! And have you ever concider the Laws of physics; if you take water and electrolyse it (APPLY ENERGY TO SPLIT H20 INTO H2 and O) then combust it, to gain that energy and form H20. Where, the f**K do you think the alternator is coming in? If the alternator had the power to withhold an electrolysis of water, then everyone shouldnt be talking about H storage problems
Johanoeberg 4 years ago
I got better s**t to do than argue with you all day about this. I didn't say water was at a higher energy level than gasoline so don't put words where they don't exist. An alternator puts out roughly 600W of which 200 are regularly used. More than enough to electrolyze water and save gas at the levels I described.
i5ere 4 years ago 2
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What? Dont try to linger out of this. You said: "water contains 2.5x the energy of gasoline" . "Water contains more energy than gasoline and like gasoline it has to be "refined" to extract that energy". So Where did i "put words where they don't exist". The correct way to measure energy of a molecule is adding the bonds between molecules/atoms, and after combustion. And you ARE wrong. Petrol has much more energy per molecule. I havent got the exact numbers. And, Hydrogen contains energy, not H20
Johanoeberg 4 years ago
You stated, "...water has a higher energy level than gasolene!" I do know the difference in energy levels of the molecules and I'm strictly talking about hydrogen content.
Yes I know it is the Hydrogen in water that packs the punch and lb for lb, there are 2.5x hydrogen atoms in water than gasoline. If petrol is so great, why is it not used to launch rockets, since it has so much energy?
The video demonstrates this application of that hydrogen to run an ICE.
i5ere 4 years ago 2
We are dealing with something NEW here....It is a fact that this gas is flammable and it come from the decomposition of water...So far so good...RIGHT I am not a scientist and I am not interested in scientific discussion I just want to know if the DAMM THING WORK... So lets be proactive and cut the scientific crap....
Darealwhip 4 years ago 4
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Ok! But you must be very source critic when you build your oppinion "if it works". I think like this; In a ICE, all oxygen in the air is used during combustion, some say that this procedure is ALSO adding oxygen to the engine. But then they dont think that when spliting the H20 into H2 and 0, you have the PERFECT ratio, which means that those 2 hydrogen moecule will bond to the oxygen and release energy when combusted (forming water again). So the thesis of "added oxygen" isn't much worth...
Johanoeberg 4 years ago
It is obvious that if we are "decomposing water we are going to get Oxygen but also we are getting hydrogen and this mixture is flammable So I am interested in creating my own devise to install in my truck and at least get couple of miles out of every gallon....I am not asking for a miracle yet
Darealwhip 4 years ago 4
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The second thesis: Adding another combustable substanse to the enginge (still combusting petrol), this is H2 and O, OxyHydrogen, HHO. Ok, as posted earlier, if it cannnot help the petrol combustion itself, it might be in some use in the total combustion. Since the energy density of hydrogen gas is way higher than the petrol (octane), then sure, it MAY affect the enginge combustion in a good way, BUT! WHERE do you take the energy to MAKE and store the Oxyhydrogen? Thats what people are forgetting
Johanoeberg 4 years ago
It seems like we are using few volts out of the car battery to decompose the water into HH O it do not seems to be any storing devise or tank from the unit it seems to go directly into the engine ....You are totally right the unit is using energy out to the alternator ....
Darealwhip 4 years ago 4
Its not (H2 and O) Its HH and O You must teach at a university to argue this go buy two 1.50 cover plates bolt them together and apply DC voltage and light it see what happens gasoline exsplodes HHO inplodes argue that lets see the laws of physics they have be proved wrong before scienice is a guessing game its not like chess
copleygsxr 4 years ago 4
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Dude, please start using , and .
Its troublesome reading what you have typed.
So, you say that its HH, you mean its single H (actually H+) that are in the product?
If you electrolyse water you will get the folowing reaction: 2 H20 + e- -> 2 H2 + O2
Thats it! If you are basing your thought from the name HHO (taken by som "inventors" who came up with the "new" idea of cobusting H2 and O2 in a welder), then thats only a NAME.
Johanoeberg 4 years ago
Actually he is not producing 2h202 !!! he producing mainly 2H:O witch is browns gas (aka) mono atomic Hydrogen and Oxygen gas. The gases have very different property's!. One major difference is that BG will not explode only implode in high purity's.
Nemesis167 3 years ago
Oxygen GAS is O2 not O (as you wrote). You might want to explain a bit further how this aparatus differs from the "normal" electrolysis, in terms of product.
The second thought I get is why would you want to ad a fuel that implodes into an engine that requires an explosion to drive the pistons?
Johanoeberg 3 years ago
Implode implies that the pressure is less after ignition. That is not true at all. Where are you getting your BS... um, i mean facts?
Joeviocoe 3 years ago
Are you even thinking on what you are writing? If the pressure is less after ignition there wont be any expanding force that pushes the pistons in an ICE!
Throwing shit...
Johanoeberg 3 years ago
I understand that it makes no sense. I meant to reply to Nemesis167 when he said, "that BG [Brown's gas] will not explode only implode in high purity's."
It will produce water VAPOR that is several times greater in volume than liquid water. So it does NOT "implode" by any sense of the word.
Joeviocoe 3 years ago
Right on! Finaly some consensus =)
Johanoeberg 3 years ago
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try to re-inject the exhaust gas - the !!EXACTLY!! same effect will take place!
there is noch such thing as an "performance improving"
or are u now telling me, that all sience is totaly vrong (everything on earth is - of course - a plot)
and the stuff just burns a second, thrid, ect. time?
Assi2004 4 years ago
i made a 31cc motor run on hho alone what do you think about that huh ?
pi3573 4 years ago 5
IDIOT aSSI2004 sounds like some POS oil barron camel jockey that has a comp and Internet conn now!
Ignore him and anyone like him, they are useless to mankind.
Good job, real good job. Impressive!
Leftwings22 4 years ago 4
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heheh your so funny Left !....i think somtimes its really coupled with 1)humans being afraid of true change to thier way of life(for better OR worse) and 2)the corporate world likes to have everyone lulled to sleep!
pi3573 4 years ago
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yes, of course...
...ignore everyone thinking in a different way
good luck suriving in this world, everyone has his own view on the world, but dont know that, u only know what TV tells u, right?
Assi2004 4 years ago
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who sad u cant run an engine on H2?
learn reading...
Assi2004 4 years ago
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u do know that the blue wheel is for oxigen...
sure oxigen helps a lot there
but ur motor will get a "little" too hot after some minutes
Assi2004 4 years ago
I am only using the jewelers torch as an injector for the HHO which is produced by the weleder electrode!
The colour could be whatever you desire!
I only use the blue line, the red is not connected at all
bornman88 4 years ago
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dude, there is no such thing as "HHO"
its made up to earn money
Assi2004 4 years ago
are you freaking kidding me "Ass"i2004? There is HHO and a million other disassociated compounds in this world. Don't be a stupid ass. DO yourself a favor and take 8th grade science again. IDIOT!!
gambitxx3 4 years ago 5
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"gambit"xx3... (how stupid was that allusion?)
Assi2004 4 years ago
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"here is HHO and a million other disassociated compounds in this world."
hes just an huge idiot, having no idea what he is talking about
and what about the "red is not connected at all"
i can clearly see that it IS connected, both are
Assi2004 4 years ago
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lol...hho saves me money
Thats the funniest statement I seen all week!
If there is no such thing as hho, what does the space shuttle burn for fuel?
sm0ky40 4 years ago
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an H2/O2 mixture
HHO claims to be a new type of molecule, thats simply a lie and impossible as well
so u cant say HHO to what the shuttle is burning!
Assi2004 4 years ago
what in the f*()& are you talking you need to make some sense with your ramblings. why dont you stick to the point! oh and if you look at my vids youll see im already doing just that.running an ICE on HHO(or whatever you want to call it i really dont care what it name is!)
pi3573 4 years ago 5
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"I only use the blue line, the red is not connected at all"
sure dude, so u accidental hold it with ur left hand?
i cant see any connection between the gas bubbling threw the liquid and the torch
ANYTHING could be coming out of there
u have to testify what u do - exactly! - or no one (rightly!) trusts you
Assi2004 4 years ago
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thats what happens in all science - sure, they ALL are vrong
everyone!
its all coincidence that all the calculations match, that all the hardware is working on that calculations and observations
but u do know everything better
whitout even having done any research
who are u...
god?
Assi2004 4 years ago
What are you smoking?
bornman88 4 years ago
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PS: that was the answer to this:
"are you freaking kidding me "Ass"i2004? There is HHO and a million other disassociated compounds in this world. Don't be a stupid ass. DO yourself a favor and take 8th grade science again. IDIOT!!"
Assi2004 4 years ago
check out my vids and then tell its a hoax lol
pi3573 4 years ago 4
whats ur point ?why are you trying to squash out a extremely awesome idea? are you a Iraqi oil dealer or something? i have made my own HHO generator out of household bits and pieces and it works perfectly, along with using it on my cars engine i also regularly have a bit of fun with it making small bottle rockets...
4cylaregay 4 years ago 4
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so now u tell me where u save ANY money!!
if u use the cars electricity to produce the H2/O2 u will:
NOT consume less fuel
it will be MORE consumption!
this is VERY easy math almost EVERYONE can understand:
every process takes more energy in as it is giving out (i mean useable energy, e.g. u lose some whit friction if u want to convert kinetic energy into electr.)
this is a physical law u CAN NOT change!
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Assi2004 4 years ago
ha ha i already heave fool!
pi3573 4 years ago 3
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so the same, less than 30% effective conversion AGAIN (the electrolysis and dynamo not included, would be even less than)
30% of 30% are 9%
u lose ~21% efficiency
the overall efficiency depends on how much electr. u take from the dynamo, at 1% there is almost no change, but if u use 10kW (that are 14HP) to power the electrolysis cell it will be a great rise of fuel consumption
Assi2004 4 years ago
firstly its not called a dynamo, its a bloody alternator, secondly i have saved lots in fuel, i drive a lot and i drive the same way each day to work and back, it runs smoother,quieter way more economical and actually more powerful, and i have never seen a head and cylinder so clean after it has come OFF a engine , there is no carbon build up on exhaust valves or spark plugs, and i havent had to change the oil for (so far) 35000 KM's as the oil is still in great shape. continued..
4cylaregay 4 years ago 4
btw i am a mechanical engineer thats why i have been able to check the things i have listed and compare them with a regular kind of engine running on petrol,unless you are trying to squash out the use of non fossil fuels and reduce emissions massively then stop criticizing this fantastic alternative ,for all those other people reading this please understand that this works and i have seen it with my own eyes and use it daily,there is no ill effects to my car whatsoever,its actually a lot better!
4cylaregay 4 years ago 4
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i dont know why, but the middle part of the text up there is missing... anyway...
im so sorry, its an alternator!
still a dynamo, call it what u want
the engine does not run
- more economic
- more powerful
this simply is not possible, if u are able to prove it, u would become rich
but u cant do it, u cant prove it!
and as i sad before, if u would inject any gas (CO2, He, exhaust gas, whatever) it does get "smoother" and "quieter" u should know that as a mechanician
why dont u just try it?
Assi2004 4 years ago
"the engine does not run
- more economic
- more powerful"
buddy i have a full in house dyno and have made a very significant increase in power, around %20 actually, and the proof is in the pudding, i have saved many dollars just by implementing this technology into my personal car, for someone thats so hard out to make this great idea look bad for some reason they make many errors on things they obviously know nothing about (eg calling an alternator a "dynamo" ) continued...
4cylaregay 4 years ago 4
also it just simply is not the case that "if u would inject any gas (CO2, He, exhaust gas, whatever) it does get "smoother" and "quieter" " there are many reasons why that im not wasting my time or effort divulging into, continued..
4cylaregay 4 years ago 4
and as far as your question goes "why dont u just try it?" mate i have done this literally hundreds of times both with hho and without (naturally) and with exciting results, i really dont understand why you are so damn adamant about proving this concept wrong even tho people use and continue to use hho on there cars with astonishing results, the only reasons i can see is either a)you work for some government agency, b)a fuel/oil company c)off your meds d)smoking some crazy shit...
4cylaregay 4 years ago 4
another added benifit is like i said before it burns much much cleaner with only water as the output, and with a higher octane rating its much more bang with a cleaner effect, besides not contaminating oil or generating excess heat, and the best part is its free and anywhere there is humans there is water continued...
4cylaregay 4 years ago 4
i have tried my best to find a downside to this system/concept and the only thing i have found thats bad would be the space required to fit the cell, im sure through further testing and development we will see less petrol tanks and more hho generators that are more efficient and more cost effective (not that thats even remotely a problem at this stage..)
4cylaregay 4 years ago 4
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dude
ur only talking nonsense, not even ONE single part of ur long comment shows any sign of proofing what u say
no calculations, nothing!
ur just talking about how cool it is, call me a fool and dont try out what i tell u (maybe u would be afraid of what u see than?)
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Assi2004 4 years ago
OMG this is ridiculous,you are the only person i have ever seen thats ever even said a bad thing about it,and you haven't even used it before,i don't have to prove anything to you or "try out what i tell u " because i don't think if there was physical proof in front of your eyes it would be enough, the reason i was "just talking about how cool it is" because it it bloody cool and it works really well,for me and other people, continued...
4cylaregay 4 years ago 4
and like i said before i have tried what you said before hundreds of times, with great results, anyone else reading this know that this kid has a vendetta for this stuff for some whacked out reason and is completely unreasonable and ignorant, i have had enough of him/her...
4cylaregay 4 years ago 4
you know what try it your self,get 2 pieces of stainless steel(anything thats clean,you can even use spoons)tape them together so they are close(2-3mm)but don't touch,use tape wrapped a few times around one spoon to separate them, tape both together,then if you have a torch battery(eg 6volt)and some wires connect one spoon to the - and one side to the +, you will see bubbles start to form, to test if its working ignite some of the bubbles with a lighter or something, stand back tho...
4cylaregay 4 years ago 4
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now...
how exactly does ur system work?
Burn fuel -> accelerate the car -> get electr. from the alternator -> produce H2/O2 -> burn H2/O2?
is that what u do or something else (tell me/us what)?
Assi2004 4 years ago
whats the bloody point of me telling you? honestly this is bloody ridiculous, even when i have been driving my car on hho for some time now and with great results (put it through many types of tests) along with many other people , its not good enough for you, this isnt a place where things are proven in stone mate its where people post vids of stuff and this particular vid is of a great idea that someone wants to share with normal/reasonable people, continued
4cylaregay 4 years ago 2
and the other thing is too your not thinking bout it the right way, its not producing energy its simply unlocking it, the electricity consumed is used to split the water molecules into there crude form hydrogen and oxygen, when together they form a gas that has a lot of potential energy in it, that when ignited produces more energy than the electricity used, its not matter of making energy but unlocking it
4cylaregay 4 years ago 3
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hahahahahahahaha
u know that videos can be faked, do u?
they dont tell much about what has been done, too
"and like i said before i have tried what you said before hundreds of times, with great results"
so, u reinject exhaust gas and its the same effect... still "unlockig" the energy?
why do u electrolyse water if u just can reinject ur exhaust gas?
Assi2004 4 years ago
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if u dont have any evidence except telling me something, its just not true what u are talking
if u cant even do the math, how do u know ur saving fuel, please tell me!
thats just foolish or a cheap lie
all i want is evidence, if u dont have any, dont answer!
Assi2004 4 years ago
fuck you you fucking piece of shit, i have had enough of you being a absolute ignorant dick head, i dont give a shit if you dont want me to answer, i have the right to, just because i cant physically show some fucked up retard on friggin you tube my setup in my car and then drown him in it, does not make it false, as i said before i am an engineer with years of experience that has personally tested this concept
4cylaregay 4 years ago 2
and there are so many bloody peoples videos even on here that show the hho running a engine but for some reason we are supposed to still provide better evidence for some fucked up retard that obviously wanks off so much that parts off his brain have been ejaculated, no one has to prove nothing to this ignorant fool, i can fuck en do the math i have done it you fuck head! everyone else this bloody works dont listen to this dick head...
4cylaregay 4 years ago 2
your so fucken ignorant... you dont want it to work even when it does you say it dosent , what a dick head...nuff said
4cylaregay 4 years ago 2
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maybe u try to answer my question instead of calling me names
videos are not even a slight evidence, do u know "special effects" or "computeranimation"?
btw. in that vid u just hear the sound change - and as i sad befor, the same happens whit the exhaust gas instead of H2
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Assi2004 4 years ago
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"[bla...] you dont want it to work even when it does you say it dosent ,[...bla]"
i NEVER EVER sad it doesnt work!
sure H2 is a fuel, but u have to produce it wich costs more energy as it releases
its just not saving energy, it costs even more!
Assi2004 4 years ago
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It is not important how much ENERGY it costs to make HHO.
It IS important how much MONEY it costs.
JamesBriskly 4 years ago
it cost nothing you fucken retard!!!!!!!!! if you dont belive videos then dont watch them faggot! and tell me this why would so many people waste there time using "special effects" or computer Animation"? and on you tube!! your the stupidest dick head ive ever communicated with...
4cylaregay 4 years ago 2
oh yea then why do i save at least $45 dollars a week? why does my car run the best it ever has and a lot cleaner? explain that expert fuckhead...
4cylaregay 4 years ago 2
Please ignore Pendejos.....Did you build you own unit?...
Darealwhip 4 years ago 3
whatever i dont care anymore, this does work, and saves me money, and lots of other people, you are a complete wanker...
4cylaregay 4 years ago 2
some retard kids thinks they are so smart... ill bet you probably aren't even a teen yet.. stop wanking so much, it has obviously already sent you blind!!!
4cylaregay 4 years ago 2
i have friggin answered your questions many times, but according to you there is no possible way i could convince you anyway! i cant show you countless videos because for some crazy reason people wasted there time doctoring them, and i cant write anything because you said "if u dont have any evidence except telling me something, its just not true what u are talking" so there is no possible way i can convince you,
4cylaregay 4 years ago 3
if you lived close to me and i had the time/care i would take you for a drive (if your parents would let you..), then show you every detail of my set up run it on the dyno, show you before after ... then grab the back of your head by your hair and bash the shit out of you for being such a dickhead
4cylaregay 4 years ago 3
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Now i have had enough with your behavior. YOU are expressing yourself like ignorant youths do on the internet, more "idiot" "dickhead" instead of discussion. However, you did express yourself in a good maner in the start. I understand if you feel agrivated when people don't believe you, but don't take it as personal as you did. There are MUCH talk in these forums, and alt least I need some FACTS to back up the talk. The least one can be is source critic. But that you sure do know as a technican!
Johanoeberg 4 years ago
sue me.... i don't give a shit buddy, nothing has to be proven on bloody you tube, and if you think something does not work then prove it, its not a "Forum" .... ive had enough of ignorant fools on here and i have simply stopped trying to prove myself and defending myself and others, don't like it then don't read it... i do commend you on your mature approach though..
4cylaregay 4 years ago 2
actually ill make a video for you, ill go through the whole process from start to finish, ill see if i can get a alternator from work and ill set up a small generator, video tape the lot, and show you the difference it makes..
4cylaregay 4 years ago 5
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stop calling me names, damned!!
if u cant argue, dont substitute it with name-calling
now, u say i sad something like
"if u dont have any evidence except telling me something, its just not true what u are talking"
is sad that videos are no evidence, at leats not if theres no math or whatever there
here in this vid just the noise is changing, what kind of evidence is that...?
Assi2004 4 years ago
it not supposed to be "evidence" you retard, its to crudely show to genuine normal reasonable grown up people that it can help performance as well, not to "prove" anything or make some sort of report ... you are such a typical retarded nerdy kid, and btw i am arguing plenty, you just cant see it, and i will say whatever the bloody hell i like,
4cylaregay 4 years ago 3
"if u dont have any evidence except telling me something, its just not true what u are talking" this is a exact copy of what you wrote before, i copied and pasted it, if you don't even believe what you yourself have said, then what chance have any of us have!
4cylaregay 4 years ago 3
and since hydrogen is cleaner and more powerful then fuel, its even more efficient again!
4cylaregay 4 years ago 4
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tell me the math behind ur 45$ saving
the math, like i did befor:
burning fuel is <30% effective source for kinetic energy (otto-engine)
making a new fuel whit that energie and burning it again will be <30% too, so a < 9% overall efficiency
or like that..
Assi2004 4 years ago
why bother? it doesent matter what i say, it just words to you according to this "if u dont have any evidence except telling me something, its just not true what u are talking" , im not wasting my time on someone that is as IGNORANT as you...
4cylaregay 4 years ago
hydrogen is 3-6 times more powerful(holds more potential energy) then fuel, think of it this way, to get different types of oils,fuels,gasses you have to heat crude oil to its boiling point for a amount of time, that uses lot of energy, but the end result is unlocked (figure of speech) from the crude oil, it "unlocks" more energy then it uses, thats why our globe runs on the stuff, the difference is there is emissions,and we are running out of crude oil, our earth is 70% covered in water..
4cylaregay 4 years ago 4
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oh my god!
hell, u realy have NO idea what u are talking about!
1. oil is already chemical energy (not potential!), unlike water
2. the heating costs almost no energy, as all the energy set in to boil it is put into the next oil to boil again ect.
so the cooling for the condensation is the next boiling oil --> almost no energy lost (only if u use bad heat insulation)
Assi2004 4 years ago
to seperate it uses energy dipshit!
it takes HEAPS of energy to het anything, especially as a catylist, what are you like some sort of friggin oil manufacturer now? go to bed you have school in the morning dick head!
4cylaregay 4 years ago 3
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3. the energy in the oil and that of all the combined fractions is one and the same, u just seperate them
now again: u NEED energy to make a fuel out of water
this energy is the exactly same amount as u will get if u burn that hydrogen again
ur idea is the same as getting energy out of a battery
if u charge it u "unlock the energy"
except that the charging takes more energy as it will be afterwards
Assi2004 4 years ago
bullshit, what makes your words true? are you some sort of scientist? "if u dont have any evidence except telling me something, its just not true what u are talking" , when everyones cars are running on this, then i hope you are grown up enough to realize what a tool youve been!and to everyone out there ALREADY running there cars on hydrogen, then i hope that it catches on to more of the more reasonable less ignorant people out there! fuck you Assi2004, i hope you die a slow death soon!
4cylaregay 4 years ago 2
What do you think electrolysis does to water? You are not adding the energy to the water, but separating the components of the water. Burning the hydrogen and oxygen is a chemical reaction and basically the same reaction as burning gasoline without the useless carbon atom standing in the way. You talk of this great energy loss, but I don't see any data to back it up. Per Carnot's rule, burning hydrogen should improve the efficiency of an ICE, or do you even understand thermodynamics?
i5ere 4 years ago 2
amen...
4cylaregay 4 years ago 4
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...Where are the energy needed for the Hydrolisation-process comming from? Ive read posts that state the posibility of going putting a BIG hydrolyser driven from the cars alternator and then using the HydroOxygen as fuel, running the entire engine on water; The Overunity machine! If we put our feets back on the ground, and think about the ICE efficiency. 0,3. getting 1 kW of "energy" through the alternator, you have to put in (at least) 3,33 kW of "energy" in fuel...
Johanoeberg 4 years ago
You miss the point entirely. You use the alternator to run the hydrolyzer. TRUE. You use the output of gas to supplement the petrol going into the carb. The extra hydrogen and oxygen improves the combustion. You lean out the gasoline into the ICE and the gases make up the difference. Think about a turbo charger. Its job is to put more gas and air (oxygen) into the cylinder for more power. By adding hydrogen and oxygen, you get the extra punch without the hp sacrifice. Better fuel economy.
i5ere 4 years ago 2
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Yesss. But the alternator doesent have 400 wats "free" that is already produced. It WILL take more fuel to gain the electricity needed to run the electrolyzer then if it wouldn't be attached. Since many of those who made hydrolyzers aren't keen on showing numbers. Ive seen a setup who made 1 L/min of Oxyhydrogen, using 40 amps at 12 Volt. That makes 480 Watts. Then since we use the ICE and alternator to feed the electicity, we get 480 x 3,33 = 1,6 kW (minimum). For 1 L of gas. Thats not WOW!!
Johanoeberg 4 years ago
Do you assume that it takes the whole ICE output to turn the alternator? That is what your figures imply. If you work it on paper, 480W = 2.7 L/m of H2. The avg. alternator can continuosly put out 600W at a cost of .80hp. The avg 4cyl engine puts out over 100hp, so you're taking 64/10000 of the output for hydrogen production at 480W. 2.7L/m of H2 gives a gal of gas equiv of .32 gph fuel savings. A lot better than 8 oz. per week.
i5ere 4 years ago 2
for my daily commute that works out to a 15% fuel savings. I can accept a .64 hp trade off to save US$0.50 daily. Again, multiply that by 100M drivers and you get a nice $50,000,000 savings per day x 365 = $18,250,000 saved. Poor oil companies HAH!
i5ere 4 years ago 2
Correction $18,250,000,000 saved. Have a nice day ExxonMobil, Shell, BP.
i5ere 4 years ago 2
Hes a nother who beleives everything he reads do the research yourself and the slap back to reality might knock his ass out
cgfarkus 3 years ago
It's true, he's just another naysayer.
i5ere 3 years ago 2
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if u dont get it now, its over
ur just too stupid and i dont argue whit ppl that just ignore what i say and call me names instead of argueing
u will know how foolish this idea was, at least eventually
Assi2004 4 years ago
fuck you shit head, i said that ages ago, you wanted to drag it on, stop wanking so much, it makes people want to kill you! if i ever did meet you thats exactly what id do, asides from giving you a long slow drawn out tortured death, stupid fuken kids these days think they know every thing, when people like me have to defend there credibility and experience to some fuked up retard nerdy kid.... go fuck your self retard!
4cylaregay 4 years ago 3
Do not lost your cool....I just saw a circuit (voltage pulse generator) that can be couple to the HHO generator. It was build with an automotive coil and its instruction of how to build this circuit is on line, this circuit could increase the amount of gas generated out of the unit
Darealwhip 4 years ago 4