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  • At 2:17 Foreman Hit Ali square In the face and the Commentator calls it a Miss ?! This Guys too Bias

  • at 6:42 cornerman Bundini Brown ( white jacket & bow-tie) gives Ali the 30-second cue,

    "rumble young man rumble..."

  • Ali is the only man to have ever knocked out the mighty Foreman. And he knocked Foreman out when he was a prime 25 year old.

  • @vladiator100 you forgetting ron lyle

  • @FreddyPeezy Foreman defeated Ron Lyle though. I was talking about a Knock out, a count out. While Lyle floored Foreman twice Foreman came back to win the fight.

  • My favorite part of this fight, is not only the fast jabs in the first video, But at 6:48 when Ali does the Side to Side rocking and Foremans like Wooooaaaah and looks like a big giant losing his balance hahaha

  • 0:36 damn i would've been lights out right there lol

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  • ali showed everyone that not even the hardest puncher the sport has ever seen can beat me.

  • @EnjoiSkateboarding66 Holmes came pretty close . No disrespect towards Ali or whatsoever

  • is it or apollo creed(rocky franchise) look a lot like george foreman?

  • @TheSuperfatguys looks like george and fights like apollo. lol that got to be racist

  • el mejor ali yo no amo el box pero amo a este sujeto yo creo q con mike tyson murio la historia de los grandes boxeadores ya no habran tipos como ellos ali, foreman, frazier, sony liston, rocky marcionao, etc etc alguien sabe como se llama el actual campeon del mundo de peso pesado creo q muy pocos lo saben porq ya no son excepcionales como antes no cabe duda todo tiempo pasado fue mejor

  • Thanks for the upload!!

  • Lol. What Ali did is completly legal, he had rather lost rounds by staying back and letting foreman punch himself out. Then win by KO. (Which would have made it look better than a match won by decision)

  • @AliTheGOAT what rounds did he lose?he won at least 5 out of 8 clearly

  • @mskidi i KNOW he din't lose rounds but he came in that mind state like saying "Ima pretend that im losing and knock his ass out at the end" but i guess the judges said he still won those rounds.

  • forman will always remember this

  • wow left and right hooks, straights and jabs from foreman to the head and body, looks like foreman didnt know how to throw a an uppercut

  • is it not a bit excessive hanging on to forman all the time? is it legal to do that? seems to be just making time for ali to rest

  • @LanceWestable ali is saving his energy for the last round

    im not sure if its legal

  • @DRACOFIRE26 yeah i get that but ive never seen a fighter do it so much and hanging back on the ropes so much takes the weight out of thepunches and reach so just tires out foreman? everytime foreman hits on ali he grabs on like he finds the head shots hard to take..

  • Ali goin for the ddt

  • i love this commentating lol. lampley is okay but i'm getting annoyed.

  • WHY DOES EVERYBODY ARGUE ABOUT WHAT IF

    ALI IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME ITS A FACT HE BEAT THE BEST THERE WAS CLOSEST TO HIM FRAZIER FOREMAN LISTON

  • ROUND 5  WOW

  • coachcanada1, i could swear u know jack shit about boxing,ur probbly just a lil envious toad that envies muhammed ali,no point makeing excuses for formen, he admitted he made them excuses anyway, and its no point envying ali either,becuase in a billion ppl u would be lucky to get someone wis half his gift, so ur not the only one,get over it, appreciate the man and thank god that he blessed us wis such fighter and a personality in a century that television was around,or else we just be readin him

  • @wild0hawk

    Learn to spell, learn some new words besides variations of envy, then you can try to explain why Ali is one of the best fighters to ever bless the earth. Your making yourself sound ignorant. Ali would be better off with you just saying nothing. Ali was quicker, more fit and tactically superior to Foreman. That is why he won the fight.

  • anyone who knows boxing well could easilly tell that wis the heat and humidy and formen falling prey to alis phycology, that he was totally wasted by the end of round 4, if he was drugged u stupid arsehole then he would in no way take all them combination hits from ali and still stand ,ali constantly peppered him wis combinations from round 1,formen was strong on frasier and norton,but his upright fighting against ali made his head a sitting duck, shamefull excuses from envious little lowlives

  • Sylvester Stallone would crush these guys

  • @ttdantt10384 You wish

  • @ttdantt10384 .......wow

  • @ttdantt10384 PLEASE tell me ur joking.

  • @ttdantt10384 good.

  • Quoting what a man says at Foreman's age and after the hits he took. I believe what he said and thought----I told my trainer "The Water Tasted Like It Had Medicine In It, I nearly Spit It Out"----------George Foreman.

  • @CoachCanada1

    Why did Foreman wait more then 35yrs to reveal to the world he thought he was drugged?

  • Look at how George destroyed guys like Frasier and Norton. Guys Ali barely beat..Don King knew what he had to do to make the money. REMATCH.

    You child. Join us in the real world...Follow the money tard.

  • @CoachCanada1 "After the fight I was bitter. I had all sorts of excuses. The ropes were loose. Referee counted too fast. Cut hurt my training. I was drugged. I should have just said the best man won, but I didn't know how to lose. Finally I realized I lost to probably the greatest of all time. I was drugged all right. Muhammad gave me a dose of that big right hand. He won fair and square." -- George Foreman

  • search George Foreman drugged to see ESPN interview.

  • @CoachCanada1 Total bullshit, and even if so, tough shit. The drugged" Foreman landed the hardest punches of his career and still got knocked the fuck out by the greatest of all time. The "drugged" Foreman that night would have destroyed any heavyweight in history but Ali. His team must have been real fuckups to feed him such spectacular drugs.

  • @Brianjonestown another dreamer.

    Watch the fight again its true...

    George was considered by "ALL" to be the most impressive physical specimen of a boxer of all time. 24 years old.....Ali 32 on the verge of Parkinson's??? The heat and rope a dope lol!

    Like i said watch the fight again.

    Don King you figure it out...

  • @CoachCanada1 "The heat and rope a dope lol!" What exactly does this mean? You can't argue without evidence, kid. People have been trying to make excuses for Foreman for over three decades. You'll never change the result. He lost clean to Ali and lost again to another out-style fighter in '77, between which Lyle knocked him on his ass twice. The truth is right here on film and the dreamer is you. Give it up.

  • @Brianjonestown "The heat and rope a dope lol!" What exactly does this mean?

    It is the reason given by people who can't handle the truth of what tired George out "drugs". Watch some other highlights of George and see his quickness and accurate punching POWER, and how he "pushed" people around.

    Watch in this fight how "weak" Foreman is, listen to what the announcer is saying commenting on his tiredness, weakness, can't even push Ali away.

    Don King set this up now grow up boy.

  • @CoachCanada1 I couldn't have put it better myself. Anyone who knows boxing could tell Foreman was not his normal self during this fight. This was not the same strong, fast and powerful boxer with the piston like jab who conquered Wepner, Chuvalo, Frazier and Norton-four men Muhammad Ali barely beat and lost to two of them lol although I am a big Ali fan as well, but lets be realistic here. I also think Ali's poor performances against Norton and Frazier contributed to Foreman's poor showing.

  • @dave10172

    I've watched Foreman's fights for years. I always liked Foreman. This fight shows no evidence of him being usually slower then his fights with Frazier or Norton. Foreman did not train to fight 15 rounds against Ali. He expected to knock Ali out within 4 rounds. He was simply out classed by a fighter with better skills.

  • @Brianjonestown Foreman was not mentally right after the humiliation in Zaire and had started to lose interes in boxing by the time he fought Young lol. And George was also ring rusty when he was decked twice by Lyle whereas no one came close to putting Foreman down prior to this fight except for Ali obviously. The Foreman from 1969-1974 would have destroyed Jimmy Young within 4 rounds.

  • @dave10172 More excuses. Truth is that Foreman was at his peak when he lost to Ali. His words again: "I went out and hit Muhammad with the hardest shot to the body I ever delivered to any opponent. Anybody else in the world would have crumbled.He cringed; I could see it hurt. And then he had that look in his eyes like he was saying I'm not gonna let you hurt me. And to be honest, that's the main thing I remember today about the fight."

  • @Brianjonestown It was more a case of Foreman boxing a stupid fight than Ali boxing a good fight. If Foreman had used the jab and paced himself better he would have been the conqueror in this fight as well and would crusaded towards the 1980s as the reigning world champion. As there is no way an undefeated Foreman loses against Jimmy Young and goes into semi-retirement for 10 years. I also think Teofilo Stevenson would have beaten Ali if he turned pro and got a few fights under his belt.

  • @dave10172 I think I should clarify something I am a Ali fan he is my favorite fighter of all time. Him and Sugar Ray Lenard. So I am not trying to make excuses for Foreman. I have expressed what I saw and what I heard, and I was around when these fights were fought.

    When you look at the other fights of George when he was young the guy in this fight does not look like that. In his old man fights he was ROCKED way more than what Ali did and did not go down. I firmly believe he was drugged.

  • search George Foreman drugged to see ESPN interview

  • Was Muhammad Ali's "rope-a-dope' strategy the only dope involved in the "Rumble in the Jungle?"

    George Foreman isn't so sure.

    In his recently published memoirs, "God in My Corner," Foreman says he was drugged just before the Oct. 30, 1974 title fight in what is now the Democratic Republic of the Congo -- then known as Zaire.

    Just search "Foreman Drugged" to see ESPN interview.

  • @Ol0fsson Ali vs Tyson is hard to call. Tyson had 2 careers really; with Cus D'Amato and Kevin Rooney. That Tyson would have been tough for "anyone" even Ali to beat.

    The second part of his career with poor trainers and loss of his direction and supreme training efforts and focus on fighting.....you know what happened then.

    Ali would win against Mike part 2 4 sure.

  • As far as Ali and Foreman I believe Foreman had been drugged. It was not the heat or Ali that made him that clumsy. Although Ali did hit him with some good shots. Foreman was never that graceful but to me its obvious he was drugged.

    He was interviewed many times and mentioned that he told his corner the water tasted funny. As much as the fight disappointed him this is the real reason he quit boxing. Turned on by his team.

    Watch the fight again........he was drugged......period.

  • Geee those punches were jolting Foremans head back with ease..........

    Just tell's you something about how strong Ali really was......

  • did u see the sweat fly off foreman at 6:52? that was beautiful!

  • The 5th round in the first Liston fight was like a modified version of the 5th round in this fight lol. That is weird isn't it? The only difference in the Liston fight was that Ali or Clay as he was then known never had his back against the ropes lol. He also came on strong in the third round against Liston as well just like he did in the third round against Foreman although I still think Foreman shaded that round as I think Liston shaded the third against Ali as well in their first fight lol.

  • omg!!! what a fucking round!

  • U know ALi even said that the Rope a Dope wasnt thought up, he had to do it bc he couldnt dance 6, 7, 8 rounds. He couldnt do it anymore. Even though he won , this was the beginning of the end if you paid attention to the skills of ALi.

  • Possibly the smartest boxer ever.

  • 1.51

    in final. he can kick falling foremand.

  • look at those reflexes from 6:56 to 6:57

  • to say foreman was a one dimensional fighter would be the understatement of the millenium! his punches were long, slow-coming arm punches that ali could see coming half a mile away! i don't see how anyone gave foreman a snow flakes chance in hell in this fight??? it seems as though anyone with some skills and smarts could have done the same to foreman as ali did. sure foreman was strong but his approach was so neanderthalic in conception that he seems comical... cartoonish even.

  • Amazing round 5!

  • The heavyweight's guide to fighting & winning off the ropes.

  • ali vs foreman round 5 - THE BEST THAT BOXING SPORT CAN GIVE TO US. Foreman was almost thnere but he was facing the GREATEST EVER. HEHE

  • why is there talk of ufc on a boxing clip?

  • @MrVaquero89 for the same reason peaple insist on talking about boxing on mma videos.

  • @raintimefan001 yes people cant separate two great sports they need to justife which is better when they both have pluse and minus

  • @DarKstarnosa151

    for sure. What warrior's these guys were.

  • Tremendous shots thrown by Ali at end of round 5. What a fight!

  • Foreman looks drunk for most of this fight, even before he tried wailing on Ali, I think he may have been drugged as he thought. From the start he doesn't look like himself.

  • Foreman's disgusting style of sticking his arms out to throw punches surprisingly didn't get him into trouble with body shots. Ali, of course, didn't throw body shots, but a good body puncher would have really taken advantage of that. Then again, looking back, Foreman didn't really fight any body punchers, except for Frazier and that didn't last very long.

  • @TA152H01

    Ali had a big advantage by most reff's because they allowed him to hold down an opponents head with his hands. Why they continued to let Ali get away with this tactic throughout his career is beyond me. Artur McCante s the only reff that I can remember that would not let Al get away with this illegal tactic.

  • @topcat42 Yes, it's true. Ali did that to tire guys down as well as help defense. I remember a few refs saying something to him, but he never lost a point for it., which he probably should have.

  • ali's got lightning counters and foreman is leaving himself wide open

  • Que cara folgado esse Ali, sempre escorado nas cordas. Se pudesse ele lutava sentado :D

  • Gerry Coetzee. The most underrated and robbed of bouts victories boxer in history.

  • Foreman took Foul Punches. How they were allowed to be Legal Punches without him being disqualified is pathetic. Boxing Voting and Officiating was phony and went against every rule of Legal Boxing from the late 1960s on. Just a marketing gimmick like Sports with HGH,Performance Enhancing Drugs,and Steriods.

  • Ali also should have lost his other fights against Norton,against Chuvalo,and Jimmy Young. Phony fraud fixed voting.

    Foreman also got away with fighting illegally in his fight wins for throwing foul punches without being disqualified immediately.

  • @JamelleFunk770717 I'll give you Norton, but the others were definitely wins for Ali. And you act like the judgeing back then is any different than it is now. Boxing has always had shitty judging.

  • Joe Louis,Rocky Marciano,and Jack Dempsey were the GREATEST BOXERS EVER.

    They won all their fights Legally and Genuine.

  • @JamelleFunk770717 did you really watch all their fights?

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  • @JamelleFunk770717 not like I'm some boxing expert but there are ways in which boxing styles contrast. Foreman, a puncher, is better against in-fighters like Frazier, and stylistically worse against an out-fighter like Ali. Wiki has a great page for this, i suggest u check it out.

  • just didnt like how ali kept pushing his head down lol its pretty cheap

  • oh man, 5th round is so exciting! Ali hit Foreman many times in the last 30 secs.

    Boxing always bored me before, its first time I think I really like boxing!

  • Бой отстойный, али просто не дрался, а какой то хренью занимался, типа льюиса. Там повишу, а тут за руку подержу, и тд и тп. Шняга. Форман мужик!

  • foreman the sloppest puncher in hwt history, ali still CHEATING grabing & holding pulling the head down. joe louis & tyson & maricano & wallcott would have ko both of these guys imo

  • lol, your kidding right? all of those guys were slower than Ali

  • Tyson can KO Rocky for sure, both same type boxer but Tyson has more powerful punch and stronger, faster.

    Both can give Ali trouble but no any power puncher can knock Ali down, Ali was so tough and he took those power punches all the time and still won.

  • 3-0-2 Ali The way Ali came back near the end of the round was fantastic. His reflexes and counter punching shined right there

  • whats awesome about ali is that he was mostly built on skill and speed but when it came time to brawl he was down.

  • last minute of the round 5 is the most thrilling minute in the history of hw boxing..

    In that round Foreman is brutally beating Ali, but after 2 minutes Ali showed something incredibile.

  • Thats also my view, best minute of all times, but last minute in '77 Shavers-Fight also great, the last big minute for Ali.

  • @jimiguitar100 At the end of round four Ali came back to his corner confident and told the his coach that he has Foreman and can KO him any time he wants to. His coach said "Well then do it" and Ali responded "No, first I want to have fun with him".

    So everyone who believes that Ali planned this 8-round-spectacal is wrong. All you need to watch are the first four rounds to realize that Ali was simply a bad match-up for George.

    Which leaves one question: Why didn't he give him a rematch?

  • forman boxer is strong and attack. ali boxer is skill, that why ali won

  • @shivakrishnarama sure and the moon landing was a big fake, too. Right. If Foreman was drugged he threw a hell of a lot of hard lefts, rights, and uppercuts in the fight. That's what tired him out. Ali wouldn't fight him again because the first fight with Foreman was so decisive. It's too bad Ali didn't retire after this fight.

  • I agree completely with StarPalidanKenobi about the way Joe Frazier fought.He was a skilled man-hunter in the ring. All that bobbing and weaver and tricky arm movements made it very hard to predict when the Venomous Viper of a left hook would strike.

    Ali is the only opponent to survive and shake off a full on, full force direct strike of that left hook twice in the same fight when Frazier was at his fighting peak --first fight.

    George Foreman was just immune to Frazier's style and punches!

  • its called a "block" George

    try it sometime

  • haha dude you are right. seems like foreman thought he would just "frazier" ali and press him. Meanwhile ali made the adjustment and simply punished foreman

  • yea, i love the way Frazier fought. He was a mauler with skill, always pushing foward but dipping and dodging at the same time. Joe just scares me with all the bobbing and hand movement. It made it hard to tell when the Evil Left was coming.

  • Im sure you can teach George a lesson about blocking

  • Ali said this was his greatest fight. I tend to think Ali's greatest fight was with Liston, the first time. Mike Tyson said his favorite Ali fight was with Cleveland Williams.

  • foreman didnt stand a chance

  • Rope-a-Dope! I love watching Ali.

    This is definitely one of the greatest fights ever.

  • What is not seen here is the fear and respect

    Foreman commanded in boxing circles.

    Many of Alie's own fans not to mention his camp thought this would be judgment day for him.

    For me this fight proved (remember Henry) beyond any doubt we were witnessing a Living Legend in our time. A good man not wicked Praises be...to Ali.

    Can't thank you enough for post.

  • bombaye ali bombaye ali bombaye ali

  • heheheh bias = commentator i think heis family

  • alii kret si un

  • Beautiful match. Really exciting!

  • round 5 would have been a tko if it was fought today perhaps.

  • Ya don't usually see Ali just try and throw heavy leather like at the end of round 5. Either Foreman is arm wary, exhausted, eyes swelling so he can't see or just plain out matched.

    Glad it went the 8 rounds, for our viewing pleasure.

  • beautiful fight

  • what bothers me about this fight is that it doesn´ t look like foreman is trying to hit ali at all! he is trying but it looks like he just blows punches randomly in the air like he is blindfaulted ore something! and that´ s from the bell ring in round one till round eight!

  • @Hippiemetalhead123

    It's all Foreman can do.

    Foreman was a tough hard hitting guy with the accomplishments of an all time great, but let me be frank: he was a phenomenally crappy technical Boxer, and he was facing one of the most skilled technical Boxers of all time.

    Foreman had seen from the first few rounds that he couldn't land consistently on Ali and by this time he was starting to become desperate.

  • exactly! this is a prime example of a boxer vs a puncher. at the 3rd and beyond Foreman is simply swinging for the fences, but Ali shows patience by waiting for openings and is the much more accurate fighter.

  • Ese final del 5to round siempre me emociona

  • Foreman recibio una leccion de boxeo esa noche. Ali fue uno de los peleadores mas inteligentes de la historia

  • everybody talks about how much ali used the rope-a-dope in this fight, but he really only started doing it in round 5. in all the other rounds, he was mobile and tied george up when he started waling on him

  • Agreed. He seems to come up with it on the spot in round 5 when he needs a little rest... It definitely isn't as huge a tactic throughout the fight as people claim.

  • I couldn't agree with you more. I only just realised I had not actually seen the whole fight just documentarys like "When we were kings" etc. I expected to watch this just saying ali 95% of the time on the ropes being hit but he was MUCH more active than I realised. Kinda ruins it for me now haha.

  • lol

  • greatest fight of all time fore sure.

  • lol

  • comment gagner un combat contre georges foreman ?

    Restez dans les cordes détendues, ne boxez pas, et attrapez son coup avec vos gants pour éviter qu'il puisse vous démolir ^^

  • 6:53

    Best one-two Ali has ever thrown.

  • I have been watching this match with a HUGE smile on my face!!!!!!!

  • The greatest fight of all time by the GREATEST OF ALL TIME!

  • Ref pulls the ropes in at 6:23, pushing Ali toward Foreman.

  • this is the best fight of all time! ali - never any1 like him

  • it isn´t the best fight of all times, i have seen them better than this...

  • which one?

  • ALI AND GEORGE BOTH WORRIOR

  • HURRRRR WORRIOR

  • foreman got to muhammud

    his footwork stopped

  • rope a dope got foreman tired

  • What a great round by Ali. One of the best rounds of boxing ever!

  • you are right... after 4th round, "he is mine" Ali said

  • commentary was absolutly pro! best i heard..no doubt

  • i get shivers  wen i watch the end of round 5,unreal

  • ALI BUMAYE!

  • People seem to give Foreman way to much credit for his power. He looks so sloppy against a boxing master like Ali. Ali was in full command the whole fight.

  • I love Ali and Foreman. I think this fight shows a Foreman simply surprised by Ali style.

    Foreman was more clever than majority of people think, despite his style.

  • Boxing Is down right now we need a real champion some one like ali

  • Foreman is like, "I'll just use my face to stop Ali's fists, they can't hurt me." "Ooh..... that's stings, maybe I'll take a little rest here on the mat and figure out where I am."

    Speed kills.

  • i gota say now thats some funny ass shit true like mutha

  • greatest of em all,muhammed ali

  • I like UFC and all, but it just doesn't get much better than this, does it? Boxing forever!

  • UFC is pathetic. I really hate it. Boxing requires alot more skill to get knock outs... Whereas alot of UFC fights end in a knock out within the first few minutes. Zzz.

  • It's really sad that UFC has higher PPV numbers now too. Names like Muhammed Ali, Mike Tyson, Rocky Marciano are household names.

  • I love Boxing and MMA. I would have loved to see Ali get out of a triangle.

  • anything with a couple of punches is good with me it's just that i grew up on this stuff, so i have a much greater love for it.

  • well i wouldnt say its pathetic because the UFC require more skills than boxing because they have to know how to box plus learn other martial arts but i love both sports though

  • A boxing match wouldn't last more then1 round if they 4oz gloves too.

  • @KingLies thats cuz theres alot more to worrie about in ufc. kicks punches elbows back hands

  • @KingLies

    UFC is built on Bruce Lee's fighting art of Jeet Kune Do.It should be respected.It contains elements of all fighting arts.

  • @KingLies I think its been well established in the first fights of the UFC that boxers would never survive a match with Mixed Martial Artists

  • @KogarasumaruStorm

    Well that's not true as pure boxers have technically won fights against MMA's (Butterbean, for one..) and that wasn't my point at all. From an entertainment perspective UFC ranks amongst watching a black hole evaporate. Interesting, for about 2 seconds.

  • @KingLies

    I'm not here to hate on boxing. I follow boxing too. I follow Kickboxing, too, because I am a combat sports fan.

    In MMA, a 140lb man, when on his back, can beat an opponent who outweights him by 50lbs, by submitting him. And you don't think that is skill? To beat someone in a fight when you're on your BACK? Right...

    As for the UFC not being entertaining...Fair enough. If you'd rather see two people dance around a ring and throw jabs all day, be my guest.

  • @HoneyIEducatedTheWeb -- I agree with you. I saw a man on his back, looking like he was going to lose, and suddenly he got the opponent in a "guillotine" hold. Wish I could recall the guy's name. Sort of a strange name: an American last name but something like a Russian first name. About a year ago. Submission is a good way to win. No one gets knocked out or hurt really badly.

    UFC & MMA fighters are EXTREMELY skilled. Can't really compare it to boxing. They're 2 pretty different games.

  • @HoneyIEducatedTheWeb

    boxing is very entertaining sport but it is barbaric and there has been thought of banning it, UFC is BARBARIC period and it should be banned. but that wont happen.

  • @fredmcmurray00

    Prove that MMA (not UFC) is barbaric.

  • @KingLies

    Though I do agree with your first sentence in response to KogarasumaruStorm. Boxers can beat MMA fighters in a fight. Though you have to give the advantage to the MMA fighter for obvious reasons.

    I think the Toney v Couture fight should go some way in answering the question. They're both at similar points in their careers. However, we need to see a younger boxer in better shape, such as a David Haye, in the MMA scene before we can draw ultimate conclusions.

  • @HoneyIEducatedTheWeb fighters in mma ? the best is fedor he would break any boxer in mma rules .. but i agree its just a streetfight .. ali was sheer amazing .. but couture is fuckin 47 he isnt a good fighter no more .. brock is shit , mir is shit , carwin is shit , fedor and overeem are the best fighters ever .. ali and frazier are the best boxers

  • @KogarasumaruStorm I don't know if I'd say well established.

    You're looking past guys like Mighty Mo (who's really only a boxer), Lavern Clark, Jeremy Williams, Butterbean, Ray Mercer, James Warring.... and probably more. All the respect in the world to mma. But gotta be fair with this, it's the fighter not so much the style

  • @KingLies

    Regarding your "UFC is pathetic" comment. You have to realise they are different sports. (MMA, not UFC). It's like saying: Basketball is pathetic because it's so easy to score. You might want t