Yu-Na Kim's Triple Flip_the perfect and beautiful jump (1)

[shuheia]

I love Kim Yuna's jumps, especially her toe jumps(lutz, flip, and toe-loop), but I'm pretty sure that her flip in 08-09 season was not a "perfect jump" as the title of this video says (I think it's still beautiful though) due to the slight outside edge. It seems that she could fix the problem in the next season though.

[sumimimi0]

hello guys. many people have the misconception of flip having inside edges. actually, yuna kim is doing the correct one with slight inside edge people like mao have deep edges which is not a good flip. ok maybe she did jump with a slight outside edge but she showed no problem for the 2010 season

[firsttimekeibjj]

Thanks! But... maybe theres some misakes..

[brzydallo]

"described by a scientific principle... DESCRIBED BY A SCIENTIFIC PRINCIPLE!!!":P 6:24

[coolio8a8yeah]

cornering skid? that's another word for an outside edge.

[jipsin2008]

@coolio8a8yeah

I had explained fully on the same or similar things that you commented. Therefore, I think that I don't need to reply to you anymore.

[coolio8a8yeah]

@jipsin2008 some explanation, it is an obvious thing! you're mechanics aren't even correct. let alone you eyes. look at the real difference between a flip and a lutz. on the way up to their jump. and plus the real reason why it's on an outside edge is because she uses her shoulder to rotate. her shoulder pre-rotates which makes her go into the outside edge.

[coolio8a8yeah]

wrong edge!! how can you not see that? do you really know the difference between an inside and an outside?

[brinababy87]

where in the world did the term "cornering skid" come from??

[jipsin2008]

@brinababy87

It's explanation was evidently represented through the video clips. The term "cornering skid" was introduced to help one comprehend a curvilinear motion.

[collegeguy15]

this clip makes me laugh. I have seen clips where they were altered to make it looks like she took off on a flat or slight inside edge. You on the other hand, clearly show she took off on an outside edge. Yet insisting that it is a beautiful and perfect flip. very interesting!

[jipsin2008]

@collegeguy15

I think that your comment is not objective but very subjective. Furthermore, your behavior like this seems to be very malicious./// Please practice the take-off off the ice with the position like that of Yu-Na Kim and you will be convinced of your error. Additionally, I think that you should review lip or flutz which is not a kind of jumps classified in figure skating./// Finally, I don't want an inappropriate comment like that of you on my video clips.

[collegeguy15]

@jipsin2008 inappropriate? girl..if Yuna Kim saw this video, she would have said "oh no you didn't" and thrown her skating shoes at ya,

[collegeguy15]

can you please show us a video, where the perfect and beautiful landing of a jump should be two footed? love to see that

[collegeguy15]

you need to show another flip she performed because this one is clearly a lip. It was obviously outside edge take off. Maybe not as severe as others but still a lip!

[CrimsonVibrato]

What the hell? Yu-Na's flip is CLEARLY on an outside edge when she takes off. At 3:36 they are BOTH taking off on the wrong edge OBVIOUSLY, thus they are both doing a lip. It's incredible how many people buy this fabrication that Yu-Na has a "textbook" flip, she doesn't

People are taking this "Yu-Na can do no wrong" too far.

[jipsin2008]

@CrimsonVibrato

I don't want baseless assertion like that by you. I think that your mention about "Lip" jump was orignated from misunderstanding on "Lip" jump. (Please review replies to pinto89100 from me.)

[sumimimi0]

@CrimsonVibrato that one is after she took off. anyways this season, she did a real inside edge no doubt

[pinto89100]

--Go on google, look for an inside edge done on a figure skate and learn what it's really supposed to look like, because Yu-Na's Flip is not even close to being textbook.

[pinto89100]

This video is a joke. It seems whoever made this video doesn't have a good idea of what an inside edge looks like. Yu-Na's edge is always either flat on the ice or it's a little bit on the outside, but it's definitely never on the inside edge. This "Yu-Na's flip is textbook" is such a fabricated lie, with these ridiculous models adjusting the technique so that it 'proves' that Yu-Na is not doing a lip when she actually is.(cont)

[jipsin2008]

@pinto89100

Thank you for your comments. However, I can never agree with you.

Go on a Google, look for the definition of Flip and Lutz jumps. The jump executed in figure skating is science because the take-off edge in Flip and Lutz and the rotation in a skater's jump is explained by the principle of mechanics of moving body.

[jipsin2008]

I wonder if you watched all my video clips about Yu-Na Kim's 3F. I would like to replace my reply with following questions.

1. Have you ever seen the simulation about Flip and Lutz given by ISU?

2. Do you know the true meaning of the difference which is the inside and outside take-off edge, respectively, between Flip and Luts?

(A skater's skating edge reflects the skating trace)

[jipsin2008]

3. If you haven't seen all my video clips about Yu-Na Kim's 3F, please watch them all.

(1) Can you differenciate by only looking at take-off given by video between flat edge and a shallow inside edge with an angle of 3~5 degrees?

(2) Do you know that even though the take-off is executed with a shallow inside edge, it can be viewed as a outside edge by some factors such as the carmera angle and the structures of skating boots and blade, etc.?

[jipsin2008]

4. What do you think about Yu-Na Kim's 3F including it's take-off edge executed at the Worlds 2008, at the Worlds 2009 and at the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympics, respectively?

My video clips were prepared based on facts, scientipic theory, the definition of Flip and Lutz jumps.

I think that a right or wrong decision on Yu-Na Kim's 3F is depend on you who see my video clips.

[pinto89100]

@jipsin2008 I don't need a definition, I KNOW how the edge is supposed to look like when taking off for a flip. You completely ignore the fact that she's on a flat blade and at times an outside edge on the blade when she takes off. Please, don't tell me that at 1:13, she is on an inside edge because then you have this weird gig going. The blade has to stay on the inside edge when a skater takes off for a flip or else it's a lip, period. What Yu-Na is doing here is a lip, not a textbook flip.

[jipsin2008]

@pinto89100

I think that it will be required that you have to review the mechanism of Flip and Lutz jumps and its relation to scientific principle.

Above all, I wonder if you have watched all of my video clips related with Yu-Na Kim's 3F.

'Lip' jump is not one of jumps defined in figure skating but it is only a nickname. It is named so when a skater submitted a planned element as 3F but actually executed a jump like a 3Lz.

"Lip" jump is no better than Lutz jump.

[jipsin2008]

Pleae see my video clip, "Yu-Na Kim's Triple Flip_the perfect and beautiful jump (1) Ver 2 (at 04:26)".

It will evidently show you how Yu-Na Kim's 3F is different from Lip jump (a Flip jump with take-off from wrong edge).

Also, see my video clip, "The perfect and beautiful 3F of Yu Na Kim Ver. 3 (Final)- Part 2 (at 04;46)".

It will show you what the true 3Lz and 3F are, respectively.

[jipsin2008]

In executing a 3F, a skating trace and a skater's position from three turn to a topick point don't lie.

Please see Yu-Na Kim's 3F executed at the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympics which is a textbook 3F.

If the take-off edge of Yu-Na Kim's 3F were a wrong edge or had a certain problem, Yu-Na Kim couldn't have executed such an acurate, huge, gorgeous 3F like textbook at the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympics only after one season.

[pinto89100]

@jipsin2008 I know that, but Yu-Na's flip is executed by taking off on the OUTSIDE edge like a lutz. You're telling me to take into consideration the whole mechanism of the jump, and yes, Yu-Na does start well, but then going into her jump she is on a FLAT blade which is not telling me whether she is on the outside or inside edge. That is the beginning of an (alright, SLIGHT) "lip" IMO. Then she just really hits the curve when she completely goes on an outside edge when she takes off.

[jipsin2008]

@pinto89100

I am sorry that this will be my last reply and explanation.

Where on earth can one see curved skating trace to convert inside skating edge into outside one in the process of toepick in executing Yu-Na Kim's 3F?

Your assertion is only ingoring the facts and the basic scientific principle. Therefore, although it was fully demonstrated in my video clips, I would give an additional explanation about a part of the mechanism of Yu-Na Kim's 3F to you one more time.

[jipsin2008]

As soon as three turn, Yu-Na Kim's LB (LB: Left Backward) blade glided on the ice with the process of

1. a neutral (flat) edge ->

2. an inside edge with tilting angle of 3~8 degrees ->

3. a slight curve to the inside direction (the degree of curving depends on the degree of tilting angle) ->

4. a highly short skidding to a toepick point

(a) the difference between a skid and a curved trace

[jipsin2008]

● a skid: the direction of rear and front parts of blade is not almost changed

● a curved trace: the direction of rear and front parts of blade is changed with conversion of skating trace

(These were fully represented in my video clips.)

(b) notice the skidding direction

[jipsin2008]

● the direction of skid taken place just before toepick by Yu-Na Kim is evidently opposite to that by a skater who evidently changed his(her) skating trace to convert insdie skating edge into outside one: see "Yu-Na Kim's Triple Flip_the perfect and beautiful jump (1) Ver 2 (at 04:26)".

● the skidding direction doesn't lie: Yu-Na Kim's skating trace was a slight inside direction and there was no motion to change her inside skating edge into outside one.

->

[jipsin2008]

(5) "the topick"

This process will be a evidence that Yu-Na Kim's take-off edge have no problem and her take-off process is evidently discriminated from that of so called 'Lip' jump (as previously mentioned). Therefore, it was nonsense that you mentioned Yu-Na Kim's 3F as a "Lip" jump and her skating trace was curved to change inside skating edge into outside one.

[jipsin2008]

It seems that you will close your eyes on the skating trace and the position of yu-Na Kim from three turn to topick. Furthermore, it seems that basic scientific priciple was disregarded by you.

Lastely, what do you think about Yu-Na Kim's 3F executed at the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympics? It says the true facts about Yu-Na Kim's 3F.

Please don't give any more your groundless assertion.

[pinto89100]

@jipsin2008 Alright, so you are saying that because the mechanism of her triple flip is different from than that of a triple lutz and is otherwise correct, it can't be classified as a "lip", right?

That being said, she is STILL taking off on the wrong edge; the outside edge. You completely choose to ignore this obvious fact. If Yu-Na is taking off on a remotely flat blade or just a complete outside edge, it is not a textbook flip, PERIOD.

[pinto89100]

@jipsin2008 You say that I should take the entire mechanism of the jump into consideration, yet you ignore that that the so called "inside edge" as she is heading for her take off is on a FLAT blade, then when she takes off she completely switches to an outside edge. I simply don't see how you expect me to believe otherwise.

[jipsin2008]

@pinto89100

I said that if you insist your assertion, you have to suggest a reasonable ground for that. However, your continuous comments was only repeated assertion without any reasonable base. Please, if you want to continue like this later, suggest a contradiction or problems on my description. Furthermore, you didn't give any answer or comment for the key question suggested by me in previous replies.

[jipsin2008]

Now, I would end these useless arguments with the last question.

"Do You Admit The Skid Occurred Just Before Toepick In YU-NA KIM's 3F?"

[pinto89100]

@jipsin2008 Are you kidding me? Baseless assertion? At 1:13, tell me whether that is an inside edge or outside edge?

It's on an OUTSIDE EDGE. How can that be a textbook flip if she takes off of an outside edge?

[jipsin2008]

@pinto89100

This is the last detailed description for your repeated arguement. Please give your reasonable base if you would like to continue argument like that.

[jipsin2008]

No. I am not kidding you. I wonder why you were thinking like that. You´ve twisted my words. Anyway, I'm sorry that you have accepted my replies like that.

All communication will be relative. I think that you should have answered my questions done in previous replies and focused on them not to be understood. Those questions includes the key points of my message for your question or remarks.

[jipsin2008]

Following your question was already answered by me in video clips. Furthermore, your remark including this question was beside the point. Your argument like this lead to my reply like previous one.

However, I will give you an additional (or repeated) explanations for understanding of descriptons done by me in video clips.

[jipsin2008]

[Q] "At 1:13, tell me whether that is an inside edge or outside edge?"

[A] It seems that you are misunderstanding the time for judging the take-off edge.

The scene in the video clip was stopped at the moment of toepick (at 0:36), which was the time for judging the take-off edge, in order to give more detailed descriptions to support the inside edge takeoff.

[jipsin2008]

Yu-Na Kim's take off edge should have already been judged before the moment when you pointed at (at 1:13).

Those position (a skater's ankle and edge) 'at 1:13' can also be natural in the process of vaulting into the air by the degree of inside edge and the location of toepick.

[jipsin2008]

However, this is not problem for one who judges a skater's 3F including its take-off edge by his(her) position at each step and its whole process (which is the mechanism of the jump) such as an entrance, the skating trace from three turn (or mohawk turn) to toepick pont and toepick.

[jipsin2008]

I would like to say that Yu-Na Kim's 3F executed in 2008/2009 season was the most developed 3F which can be done only by her who had been executed 3F like textbook in 2005/2006 (at junior), 2006/2007 and 2007/2008 seasons.

What do you think about Yu-Na Kim's 3F executed at the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympics? It says the true facts about Yu-Na Kim's 3F.

[jipsin2008]

Yu-Na Kim experienced edge call of attention "!". She even experienced wrong edge "e" at Cup Of China 2008. I think that these were not reasonable and it was a judgment ignoring the mechanism of Flip jump.

Therefore, Yu-Na Kim had no alternative but to take off from more inside edge in executing 3F not to give any room for dubious judgment at the competition of next season which was the so called 'Olympic Season'.

[jipsin2008]

Yu-Na Kim executed another 3F like textbook at the competitions of Grand Prix of 2009/2010 and at the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympics. Only about seven months after, she executed like that. How on earth was it possible for her, who had a problem of take-off edge, to do so?

I think it's the true facts.

It's the true facts.

[pinto89100]

@jipsin2008 Jipsin, what you don''t get is that the take off edge you speak of that should've already been judged is on a remotely FLAT blade. I fail to see how her blade on the inside edge, if anything it's borderline on the outside. As she progresses for her takeoff her blade completely goes into an outside edge, and don't tell me that that is what should naturally happen because I have seen plenty of correct flips that do not do this.

[sumimimi0]

@pinto89100 can you stop attacking yuna kim? this video again saying bad things about yuna shut up 

[collegeguy15]

@pinto89100 i agree, obviously outside edge. It should be at least flat.

[pinto89100]

@collegeguy15 Judges are actually being pretty strict right now with those flat edges. If it's on a flat edge, it'll be given a "!" at least.

[coolio8a8yeah]

@collegeguy15 Flat edges are considered wrong edges not. they want to see a definite inside or outside on both jumps.

[sumimimi0]

@pinto89100 her flip executed like lutz?? herl lutz is obvious outside but her flip is not obvious how dare you say that

[pinto89100]

@sumimimi0 Did you search on google for the pic I told you about? I suggest you shut up and educate yourself instead of being blinded like a fool by vids like these and commentary from Scott Hamilton.

[KEBokeh]

Her jumps are TEXT BOOK.....only reason for a downgrade is if she was short on a turn but everything else is TEXT BOOK.....I love her style of skating! Cool vid.

[BringTee]

Hey IMG TOKYO, what about this video?

No copyright infringement either?

[KNT1009]

Congratulations Yuna!

You are the one that best skater for me :)

[mjsarahgo]

Hi everyone! Yuna Kim just won a Gold medal on Women's single figure skating!

Congratulations Yuna Kim!!

[Mwahahaha06]

you should wait until she wins the olympics to update ;)

[2sssd]

I totally agree with.

Yu Na Kim is famous for the jump skill to perfect.

[2sssd]

I totally agree with.

[estapan77]

perfect flip~~!!!

[dongackjhc]

YU-NA should make 3 TURNS with 1) skate ,2)hip,3)right leg all together. Instead she turns with severe L ankle twist ALONE most of the time,especially worst with extreme high speed entry as in world 2009 season.She still carries same habits in current season like in bond girl. Her TRIO TEAM is great and warm, but someone has raise the issue of her poor technique of 3Lo and 3F etc.Otherwise she will fail to make a true historical skater.

[jipsin2008]

Hi dongackjhc!

First of all, I am deeply disappointed by your new comment.

Your last proposal was that a parallel argument was useless and thus we did better stop it. I agreed to your proposal and so our arguments were ended.

I think that your comments including previous arguments are very poor on the basis of following reasons:

[dongackjhc]

Yu-na will do well because her 3F is improving to my liking which I pinpointed sometime ago.Her 3Lo is off the plan now but she will get it back hopefully soon.Please do not attack any body with your derogatory words or meaning.Specifically I neither need your derogatory comments, nor replies.

[jipsin2008]

(1) You began with the problem of Yu-Na Kim's take-off edge of 3F in previous arguments.

However, your basis of an argument changed after my reply for your comment.

In fact, I think that you have no basis of an argument in your comment.

[jipsin2008]

(2) Your concept on 'extreme high speed entry' was not reasonable because the high quality of Yu-Na Kim's jumps were based on that high speed entry.

[jipsin2008]

(3) There was no reasonable basis of an argument in the comment which was "YU-NA should make 3 TURNS with 1) skate

,2)hip,3)right leg all together. Instead she turns with severe L ankle twist ALONE most of the time,especially worst with extreme high speed entry as in world 2009 season."

You should have carefully examined Yu-Na's 3F executed in short program at Skate America 2009 and Trophée Eric

Bompard (in Paris, France) before this comment.

[jipsin2008]

Furthermore, if your previous assertion were not wrong, Yu-Na Kim could not have executed perfect 3F with more deep inside edge compared to that in last (2008/2009) season.

I don't understand why you insist in this way on Yu-Na Kim's 3F with perfect inside edge and high quality.

Do you know that your comment has self-contradiction? A skater's execution of 3F will be possible only when she (or he) executed the timely action described by you.

[jipsin2008]

Do you know whose 3F was received +GOE of 1.8 in this season?

[jipsin2008]

(4) Who did the issue of Yu-Na Kim's poor technique of 3Lo and 3F etc. raise?

Have you watched the execution of 3Lo by Yu-Na Kim?

Do you know when all five triple jumps, 3S, 3T, 3Lo, 3F and 3Lz, were completed by Yu-Na Kim?

The execution of 3Lo by Yu-Na Kim in a competition is the only mental problem caused by, probably, a big fall on the ice in a competition of junior season but not technical one.

[jipsin2008]

If you did not watch Yu-Na Kim's 3Lo, you should have not mentioned her 3Lo.

I wonder how much about Yu-Na Kim and her figure skating you know.

I think that further explanation is unnecessary.

[jipsin2008]

(5) Your new kind of comment, regarded as a baseless assertion, which was "but someone has raise the issue of her poor

technique of 3Lo and 3F etc.Otherwise she will fail to make a true historical skater" make me suspect your intention of continuous comment on my video clips.

The records achieved by Yu-Na Kim's performance in many international figure skating competitions will represent the true fact.

[jipsin2008]

Hi sumimimi0! Thank you for your interest on my viedo. You are misunderstanding on the change of Yu-Na's jump elements in long program.

She never has said that she would not make anymore mistake by jumping in outside edge in 3F of '3F+3T'.

She only whished that 'i' was not marked on her 3F having no problem in take-off edge.

I don't know why you say that.

[jipsin2008]

Yu-Na and her team decided to replace 3F+3T with 3Lz+3T and to jump the flip alone due to following reasons; (1) 3F+3T was replaced with more difficult 3Lz+3T because it has more base value compared to that of 3F+3T.

[jipsin2008]

(2) Although Yu-Na's take-off edge in 3F of 3F+3T had no problem, her 3F was marked with '!' last season. Therefore, she and her team decided to jump 3F alone with more obvious inside edge compared to shallow inside edge executed last season.

[jipsin2008]

If Yu-Na's take-off edge were wrong, she could not have jumped 3F with perfect edge at the 2009 ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating Trophee Eric Bompard Paris in France.

What do you think about this?

[jipsin2008]

Do you know the total jump elements in Yu-Na's long program?

Your comment, 'but she said she changed to lutz-toe loop to minimize the edge jump', is not very unreasonable.

Why your comment is unreasonable? The answer can be found in the number of 3F and 3Lz. There was no change in the number of 3F and 3Lz in Yu-Na's long program.

Please give me a favorable comment.

Good luck to you!

[sumimimi0]

that is what i read in the newspaper. i am a korean and i saw from the koean news. anyways i was saying that in the newspaper they said this: yuna had been struggling with the wrong edge for the last season so brian orser and yuna decided to change to lutz-toe loop instead of flip-toe loop and decided to jump the flip alone and the newspaper said that yuna no longer makes mistake in flip and she did not know that flip was a easy jump. anyways i congratulate yuna for the world record.

[tkfkd111]

--;; I don't know why you are commenting on YuNa's clip w/o knowing the fact. She didn't struggle with her flip jump, and it wasn't even wrong edge. It doesn't even matter if she change her 3f-3t to 3lz-3t b/c the tech. base point will be still similar.

[sumimimi0]

i am just copying the thing that the newspaper said. they said yuna was being judged with wrong edge during the last season.

[pusheke11]

wow!!!!!!!

[jipsin2008]

More detailed and exact explanation and evidence were given in version 2 of this video clip. I think that you have also watched it. 'Based on the evidence, it is concluded that Yu-Na Kim's triple Flip is more developed Flip jump.//I advice you to review the correlation between the skating edge and trace.

[jipsin2008]

Thank you for your deep interest! ^*^

[jipsin2008]

Hi, getmewildO2!

I'm sorry that I can't understand your remark. However, it was evident that your conclusion which was Yu-Na Kim's take-off edge was wrong was a totally unfounded allegation.

Additionally, I described detailed explanations of Yu-Na Kim's 3F in earlier replies and Version 2 of this video clip.

[jipsin2008]

Hi, EscoIceSk8! Thank you for your interest on my video.

I can't agree with you. I would like to ask you a question.

Do you understand the mechanism of Flip and Lutz jump?

The kind of jump should be determined by all the process of take-off including an entry and skating trace but not by only the take-off edge because each jump has its own characteristic mechanism of take-off process.

[jipsin2008]

I think that you are still misunderstanding on take-off of Yu-Na Kim's 3F.

(1) According to your insistence, Yu-Na Kim evidently took off on outside edge. Then, did you say that Yu-Na Kim's jump was 3Lz in my video?

(2) I can't understand how you can say so on Yu-Na Kim's 3-turn.

[jipsin2008]

I am disappointed that you don't say the fact but are still insisting mere your opinion or theory.

[jipsin2008]

(1) Yu-Na Kim's triple jump is perfect 3F. I don't understand how you can say her 3F like that (according to your remark, it is Lutz). I think that the use of the terms, Flutz and Lip, is not correct although they are commonly used. Flip is just Flip and the same may be said of Lutz.

[jipsin2008]

(2) The position of sholuders and arms of her in the process of take-off of 3F was very exact and suitable. If it were not like that, she couldn't perform 3F. If your remark were true, she might fall down on the ice or couldn't perform 3F. However, she performed a pefect, beautiful 3F with long flying distance and almost full three revolutions in the air.

[jipsin2008]

(3) Your remark that her weight is pressed on the right side of her, but her foot is still pressed to the left outside on the way up was contradictory to each other. These two remarks are never compatible. Which position, the front (a big toe) or the rear (a little toe) of skating foot, was Yu-Na Kim's weight centered at? Why did (cornering) skid occurr? These are very crucial in order to understand the take-off process of Lutz and Flip jumps. You don't reply to these.

[jipsin2008]

Yu-Na Kim's center of balance: It is only natural that her center of balance was at her left foot.// Why don't you reply to the key points that I ask you. They are the things on her position of weight center from the point of 3-turn to that of toe-pic, which are ' the front (a big toe) or the rear (a little toe)' and 'inside or outside' of her left foot (namely, left skating boot). These are the keys for understanding of Flutz and Lutz.

[jipsin2008]

The example of Evan Lysacek's 3F+2t+2Lo combo (2009 4CC FS): The camera angle is very unsuitable for supporting your remark. However, detailed observation of his skating trace represented that he glided backward with a much slight out-edge but not flat-edge. The trace of skating doesn't tell a lie. At the present time, I think so. (Make reference to Evan Lysacek's short program protocol (2009 4CC)).

[jipsin2008]

(cornering) skid: Yes, just as you said, at the starting point of (cornering) skid her skating edge evidently inside and so your remark merely supports that. Is it possible to change inside edge into outside one during the time of a short sliding (skid) to the point of toepick on the ice? What does happen if that occurrs?

[jipsin2008]

Yu-Na Kim's gliding (take-off process): LFO entry->three turn->flat edge->a short gliding with much slight inside edge->snap pressure on left skating blade on the ice->very short sliding (cornering skid)-toepic (take-off)->vaulting in the air.

Please, if you will reply or describe further to my response, do on the basis of the fact but not your opinion or theory.

[jipsin2008]

I have completely explained on my video clip and replied for your responses. Therefore, I think that further discussion is not necessary. Thank you for your interest!

[jipsin2008]

How strange it is that all the experts and professionals including World Figure Skating Championships winners and Olympic Gold medalists of the past except for a few people such as you, some techanical judges and some japanese evidently said Yu-Na Kim's 3F in '3F+3T' was perfect and there was no problem such as edge, revolutions and landing, etc..

[jipsin2008]

The take-off process of Yu-Na Kim's 3F was illustrated in detail by my video, in which various examples including variation of view angle on take-off process were represented. I think that you didn't say fact, but your opinion.

[jipsin2008]

(3) Why (cornering) skid was occurred? From the point of 3-turn to toepick (especially at the point of toepick), where was Yu-Na Kim's weight centered at? (inside or outside, front or rear of left foot). Is there any quick motion of body and left foot to change of skating edge just before take-off?

[jipsin2008]

Therefore, at the point of just before take-off, the motion of figure skater with wrong edge cannot but dance (change quickly) because the change of take-off or skating edge should carry the quick change of skating trace and skater's motion. I would like to ask you an additional questions. Is there any motion of Yu-Na Kim just before take-off to change skating edge? (Yu-Na Kim's skating trace was consistent in all the process of take-off on Flip jump.)

[jipsin2008]

The part of video that you mentioned (4:44) is not the point of take-off but the point vaulting into the air just after toepick.

Finally, the things I have described here are well supported by scientific priciple, the classical mechanics.

[jipsin2008]

Hi, Uglefanatikeren!

I thank you for your interest on my viedo and some remarks.

However, why do you beat about the bush?

Uglefanatikeren, I know very well the 'ISU judging system' that you described (including GOE guideline).

The description, illustration and explanation in my video were also based on that.

The 'judging' which was represented in my video was used in broad sense including the things that you described.

[jipsin2008]

Do you know that there is contiunous unfair judgement at competition of ladies figure skating in this season?

The key point is that the judging was not consistent at the same compitiion. Inspite of evident wrong edge, there was no mark such as '!' or 'e' but additional GOE was given to a (some) skater(s). If the same standard as that for Yu-NA Kim were applied, wrong edge ('e') would be evidently marked to her.

Finally, I would like to ask you a question.

[jipsin2008]

Is it possible to keep a skating trace like that for Yu-Na Kim with outside edge. A skater's skating trace and her motion don't lie because they are well described by scientific principle.

[dlqvlru]

To. maota, including ID"0ntheedge09"

you said that~ Why do you try to correct not her jump but the judge???

=> What on earth do you expect her to do? Do you mean by that Yuna should correct her textbook flip? huh?

[dlqvlru]

Moreover, you said that~ But once becoming a fan of someone, difficult to tell whether fair or not???

=> It can't be difficult because we are not disputing whether the pcs score which is some sort of subjective, vague, and equivocal to judge was fair or not.

We are treating of the edge call judgement of flip where it is possible for everyone to objectively and precisely evaluate a technic.

If the judgement was wrong, of course, we can talk about it.

[dlqvlru]

This video clip was made in order to inform a wide range of people that the flip of Yuna Kim is textbook and edge call judgements were not fair. To give you a full explanation, the uploader posted this clip that deals with the mechanism of flip jump and skid.

There's nothing more to say to you who posted 'Why do you try to correct not her jump but the judge' even after watching this video clip.

[dlqvlru]

I know that fans of your skater used to provoke a quarrel with Yuna Kim's flip.

what you're insisting here is, afrer Yuna Kim takes off using the toepick of right foot with slight inside edge of left foot, while she's in the air, Yuna's ankle looks bent... Then, you argue that it is lip.

However, contrary to your wish, ankle that looks bent does not affect the sides of edge.

[dlqvlru]

Just believe that the flip with deep inside edge of your skater is textbook flip.

However, do you know that? The flip with deep inside edge is a bad jump involves extreme pre-rotation.

In technical terms, the flip of your skater is thoroughly ignoring flip principle. The reason the flip uses a 3-turn or mohawk turn is to gain rotatory power of the jump.

[dlqvlru]

Yet, the turn of your skater is just a show and she takes off with power of an ankle after changing from deep outside edge to deep inside edge. Skaters who have flutz do flip jump like this.

I can't talk to someone like you for throughout my whole life. You would better watch only her "mirakuru program".

[jipsin2008]

Hi, dlqvlru!

Thank you for your detailed and exact remarks or explanation.

Good luck to you.

[AvecLune]

Great Great JOB! Thanks for uploading.

Yuna's Jumps are always clean and perfect.

[kac00099]

What a perfect 3f-3t jump!!

[heinzwpark]

Yuna Kim's performance is always powerful, perfect and beautiful.:)

[wngml19]

wow perpect flip!!

[vlRkq]

this is very informative video. are there any other serise of her jumps??

[jipsin2008]

Thank you, vlRkq.

Yes, I am planning to make it but it is not certain when it will be completed.

[michelle0820]

Yuna's all jumps are perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!

She is awesome!

[akihiromouse]

perfect slight inside edge

young skaters are learning her jumps

[jipsin2008]

Hi 0ntheedge09! Thank you for your interest on my video.

In my video, I evidently showed the circular-like skating trace and (cornering) skid showing that in the process of take-off in triple Flip of Yu-Na Kim, which supported slightl inside edge, at least flat one.

The video shwed that the skating edge is evidently inside to the point of beginning of (cornering) skid. I would like to give you a question. During the (cornering) skid, what will be happen if her skating edge is outside one?

[jipsin2008]

This is the phenomenon supported by scientific principle. Also, I think that you are talking about not take-off but just after take-off.

Finally, I think that every figure skaters should recevie a fair reward for their performance because they have the right to a fair judging.

[jipsin2008]

Thank you for your advice, 0ntheedge09.

I also deeply agree with you that, once becoming a fan of someone, difficult to tell whether fair or not.

Thank you.

[zlzydn8]

4:40 2.5+2.5  with two foot jump.

[jipsin2008]

Thank you for your remark on two foot jump which is common to Mao ASADA.

Before posting comment, you had better have reconsidered your behavior like this.

Good Luck to You!

[jipsin2008]

Hi! Thank you for your interest. However, I would like to say to you that a fog cannot be dispelled with a fan.

[hanaramy]

Beautiful! Yu-Na is a PERFECT jumper! Nice video, very easy to understand.

[rkflql]

This video could be of help to maota group who are trying to fake Yuna's TEXTBOOK flip.

Was it a deep inside edge when "legend Yagudin" took off flip jump, like mao asada?

I hope that maota group would reconsider Yagudin's perfect flip with a slight inside edge after 3-turn.

Some japanese & maota, Don't fake Yuna Kim's TEXTBOOK flip jump!

[79vwblue]

Her jump is perfect!!!! Great!!!!

[sjboy10094]

very impressive video!!!!

[Augstin0505]

jipsin2008, Thanks a lot! What a fantastic jump!!!