THAT Church

[FrZeile]

I hope you won't regard this as quibbling, but I think it possibly misleading to say that people should think of Jesus as "friend," if by this we think it suggests a peer, or intimate. The greatest example of faith that the Lord spoke of was the centurion who said "I am unworthy to have you come under my roof, but say the word and my servant will be healed..." He had confidence in the Lord's authority, not in His intimacy. This Biblical example is contrary to much American piety.

[THATChurch1]

@FrZeile Not at all...Our relationship with Jesus should be THE most intimate relationship we have. He is our Friend and Lord.

"I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you." John 15:15

"And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend." James 2:23

[kdoggjazz]

@FrZeile

I say more than friend, as all believers are adopted sons of the Father and therefore are brothers of our Dear Lord, Christ.

[PastorSharp]

Wow.

[MarriedWhiteMale]

kdogg, I have a question: Jesus and his apostles were not Lutheran, right? If time were not an issue and you had the opportunity to attend a worship service officiated by the Apostle Peter, would you take communion with/from Him? Would you engage in public, corporate worship and prayer with him? Even if he had never heard of divine service or aware of the liturgy you attribute to the apostles?

[kdoggjazz]

@MarriedWhiteMale

Of course I would, because our Lutheran Doctrine comes straight from the apostles.

[kdoggjazz]

@MarriedWhiteMale

To add to my answer, St. Peter absolutely would've known what Divine Service is as it dates back to the old testament.

[kdoggjazz]

Interesting to note that the narrator states that the church we are becoming is what our grandfathers dreamed of, yet Kieschnick has stated that his vision of LCMS is NOT our grandfather's church. It is too bad that these band of dissenters that folow Kieschnick are taking what our grandfathers have built and throwing them out of the church to include, traditional, liturgical church practices that are tied directly to our theology that has been passed down from the apostles.

[MamaOnABudget]

@kdoggjazz That's exactly what I was thinking. The narrator keeps talking history, but our current leadership is doing everything possible to throw history aside and centralize power in Kirkwood. I left the Roman church - I do not want to go back to a system like that.

Also, narrator, I hope your (sainted, I presume) grandfather would have jumped in to correct you immediately if he heard you say "his first convert." Not his - the Holy Spirit's. Lutheran Theology 101.

[kdoggjazz]

Hey, this looks like Rev. Harrison's video; a little copy-catting going on???

[thomaskrause1]

The good thing about this "very pubic forum" - as it relates to Pastor Mueller's message in this video - is that it sheds light on the truth and exposes the reality of those who have other agendas.

[THATChurch1]

@ChristConquers Our hope is that fellow Christians will find it understandable, and not sleezy, that because Youtube is a very public forum, we are monitoring and approving posts to keep inappropriate language from appearing in this area. We are not censoring contrary opinions.

[thomaskrause1]

My prayer would be that our entire synod would want to be part of this church! May the LCMS continue to be Christ centered, of a true evangelical Spirit, and a mission heart!

[thomaskrause1]

NOTE TO THE APPROVAL PERSON: This is Thomas Krause and my name is attached by email to two comments, these are not from me nor do they share my sentiments! Please remove my name from them ASAP! Thanks! Tom Krause

[THATChurch1]

@thomaskrause1 When someone responds to your comments it puts your sign-in name at the beginning of it...just as it did with my response to you. It's a generally understood way of communicating in blogs. ChristConquers was responding to your previous positive comment. I'm sorry that it appears that way. If I can edit it I will.

[revvjon]

Wonderful video presentation. I want to be a part of THAT church. Thanks Chuck. I pray that we will continue to vigorously share the message of Jesus Christ from generation to generation.