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@Kurt - I did see the latest video on the Ridley report where arrests were taking place. I noticed Mark and the woman arguing over labor unions, which made me cringe. Considering the importance of the protests, arguing over labor unions is a waste of time and energy.
These different factions need to focus on the bigger picture.
The whole motion is to start taxing the corporations and the top 1%. I understand you're anti-tax, but isn't it more outrageous that some are excluded from tax regulations while we're all forced to pay?
It's odd to see commie signs here in America. Do you guys remember what happened at Tiananmen Square? Those young people would have died(some did) for the freedoms you take for granted. Here you are protesting FOR more government control. It's embarassing. This has got to be the most spoiled generation of bratts America has ever produced.
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Wow your perspective is really warped when you read "have compassion save social services" and get "violent aggression" from it. I suggest you re-evaluate your worldview before you become a complete lunatic.
@WarmachineVengeance The violent aggression comes in when authorities try to collect taxes, in order to fund the relatively benign program. They often feel they have to threaten the confiscation of your property by force, in order to get the money. Sometimes they do this, and sometimes they taser, tackle or even shoot people who won't pay up. Don't be blind to the aggression behind every government program, at least as the system stands now.
@RidleyReport True violence is having your employer stealing from your paycheck before you recieve it and dying cuz you can't afford health insurance or a lawer when ur insurance compny denies ur claim. Why are right-wing libertarians so fixated on the theft done by gov't and say nothing of the theft done by employers?->hypocrites. Both practices are crimes against the worker/people
@mrhnm Violence is having your employer stealing from your paycheck before you get it ad dying cuz you can't afford health insurance or a lawer when ur insurance compny denies ur claim. Why are right-wing libertarians so fixated on the theft done by gov't and say nothing of the theft by employers?->hypocrites. Both practices are crimes against the worker/people
@WarmachineVengeance Your employer is forced to pay for those things because of various laws. It all comes back to the government man.
And if in some special case your employer isn't forced to provide you with healthcare and what not and they want to take it out of your paycheck anyway that is known as a bad deal. In a free market you can go somewhere else and not have to deal with it.
It's not selfish to want to keep the fruits of your labor. It's selfish to demand the fruits of other people's labor. When you've finished eating the rich, you will have to eat eachother. This lesson has already been learned over and over throughout history.
That guy never said how we'd collect taxes just diverted. And the guy on the MacBook really the whole thing is a joke they have no demands, it's like they are there to do nothing then think they did something
it is so funny to See someone contradict themselves. on one hand, taking by force is wrong. on the other hand, taking by force is right as long as it is justified. too easy dave...
I find it interesting that the one guy got on your case for talking about the violence inherent in the socialism (Almost said system but I don't want to be associated with Dennis, the Anarcho-Syndacilist) and said that he's heard nothing of violence there or in Boston but there was a guy walking around with a sign promoting cannibalism of rich people.
"i believe competition benefits consumers and drives progress, and that monopolies are inefficient and harmful ... except when it comes to roads and defense. because those are magical things exempt from the laws of economics. i thought of this myself and am not just regurgitating half-digested, incoherent memes marketed to me constantly since i was a child by the state and its corporate owners. blah blah founding fathers!!!"
Lenin also convince his useful idiots that Communism would lead to a stateless / classless society... and we all know how that ended up. Most the people at these Occupy "movement" are Marxists.. and violence is an essential component of Marxism. These useful idiots are the antithesis of personal and economy liberty. The Occupy "movement" is not apolitical. It's been organized top down by groups of Fabian-Socialist / Globalists, Marxists, and Progressive-Democrats / Obama's re-election cronies.
Democrats and Republicans like to keep politicians in nice, neat little boxes, so they can take turns operating the military/war/banking machine. Ron Paul is a financial conservative and social liberal who doesn't fit the box--so they demean him, ignore him. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX! THE LIVE AND LET LIVE PRESIDENT who can STOP THE WARS and use that money to support the needy! Ron Paul 2012 can win! For LESS government, not MORE! /watch?v=wM-QpVSjsLY
@CurtHowland Nah, in my book anyone that doesn't make a threat, commit an act of aggression or demand camera shutoff... has handled me ok. There are plenty of concerns about what these folks would do in power but the lot of them seemed to handle this event really well as best I could tell. It's at least somewhat our duty to protect their rights without regard to what they think.
@RidleyReport Ridley, your "book" is something filled with wimpy approaches to situations. You still havent filed a criminal complaint against those that trampled your rights. Why dont you fight back instead of being a wimp in every situation. Chicks dont dig that Dave...
@CurtHowland Once you get past the defensiveness, I think he makes good points. I mean, are we saying we should have NO taxes? Is there any civilization on earth that doesn't have their citizens pay taxes? I completely agree that government should be reduced and as a result taxes reduced, but I think there needs to be some element of taxes and government.
@BroBroDude I also think it would be wonderful if everyone respected each other and if everyone lived their lives ethically, but I know that isn't the case, which is why I believe there needs to be some level of government. Who sets the rules, if there is not government? Who protects your nation, if there is no government? Are you saying that our founding fathers had it all wrong?
@1775novten "Are you saying that our founding fathers had it all wrong?"
You might enjoy the book "Hamilton's Curse".
Although my opinion is far from mainstream, I consider the Constitution to have been a successful merchantilist counter-revolution, to install British style economic rule upon a people that had very nearly eliminated central govt for the first time in 5 thousand years.
Pennsylvania's anarchic period, and the Carolinas, made excellent examples of working non-state systems.
@CurtHowland I'm just trying to understand your intent. Are you implying that you don't vote and that you don't participate in our government in any way? You honestly believe that you could live a life of peace without an organized government or mandated rules for all to follow? You really think that other nations would just leave you be? It just doesn't make sense to me. The Native Americans lived such a life and were slaughtered.
@CurtHowland I'm sorry, but even all of North America citizens don't have the weaponry to hold back a military force. We don't own the tanks, planes, missiles and bombs.
Yes, they were slaughtered by government, which only validates my point that if we disband our government that we would be slaughtered by another organized government.
@CurtHowland Do you remember when the Japanese also held us back for years? They were so well entrenched, that it was impossible to get them all one by one. So guess what, we stopped trying and just nuked the whole place. Then they immediately cried mercy. You think another nation wouldn't do the same to us, especially if we didn't have an organized military? It's been that way since the beginning of man kind and will be to the end.
@CurtHowland So now you are relying on the rich to fund your assassination squads and or military. What if they don't want to pay for it? Then who is going to do it? Wars don't make money - they aren't a good business practice, so why would anyone voluntarily pay for it? Our militia can't defend against tanks, ships, missiles, and jets.
@CurtHowland Well just let me know when you organize your own nation within the U.S. and stop paying all taxes, so I can be standing by to buy all your property that the government seizes and auctions off.
@CurtHowland You will also obey, as you are doing now. If you didn't pay the tax on your computer, you wouldn't have it. If you didn't pay the tax on your internet, you wouldn't have it. If you didn't pay the tax on your electricity, you wouldn't have it. So again, you can talk ideals all day long, but it's merely talk until you practice it. Oh, and who hung them? Who held them accountable? Another government right?
@CurtHowland Humans kill, not governments. Cavemen killed each other to gain the resources of their neighboring cavemen. The survival of the fittest - remember? Only now "fittest" means richest. I support minimal government for laws, border protection and infrastructure, just to name a few off hand. I align with Ron Paul's minimalistic positions and authorities of government, but also believe there needs to be a basic level.
@CurtHowland But do you not think that some level of tax is necessary to live in a civilized nation? Do you think our founding fathers were wrong in establishing our government? Can you imagine if we disbanded every level of government in America? I'd give it a day, before we were invaded and occupied by another nation and forced to live within their government. It's simply a necessary evil.
@1775novten "do you not think that some level of tax is necessary to live in a civilized nation?"
No.
There is no beneficial service that govt provides that is not more efficiently provided by interested individuals working together voluntarily. That includes mediation.
Evil is not necessary. An evil person cannot grasp the reins of power if those reins do not exist.
I suggest "Roderick Long An Informal Talk On Anarchy" search for it on YouTube.
@CurtHowland You are talking merely idealistic and not logically. You are talking on the premiss that humans always live their life ethically and for the benefit of the whole group and do not take advantage of each other. When you know that history proves otherwise. You have to have rules and you have to have someone to enforce those rules. If you want to advance your culture, then you have to contribute to the development of that culture.
Reality is that bad people are drawn to govt because that's where the power is. That's why govt grows more abusive year after year.
Culture advances as people interact voluntarily, to build what works for themselves and for others. My drive for society is also my drive to abolish coercion. That develops culture, not violence.
Enforce rules that people voluntarily agree to. Contracts. Beyond that, it's just torture.
@CurtHowland But don't you get that there will never be rules that EVERYONE agrees to. You can never please everyone all of the time. There has to be a point where you do what is best for the majority. You have to have unbiased regulation, otherwise there will always be influence on decision making - like our current government.
@1775novten "But don't you get that there will never be rules that EVERYONE agrees to"
YES! At last you're starting to figure things out!
Only with individual liberty and individual responsibility can people live together peacefully.
There is no such thing as "unbiased" regulation, it's always one person's opinion being forced upon everyone else at gun point. and always up for grabs to the highest bidder.
The abuse you see is endemic to coercive govt. Embrace voluntary interaction.
@CurtHowland So in your world, if I don't agree with your rule, but the majority of everyone else does - then what? Will you force me to comply or will you let me just reap the rewards without having to comply with the rule?
@CurtHowland Sir, again, I agree with you and wish we could live our lives by ideals and the trust that all would behave ethically and reasonably, but it just isn't the human nature. Humans are greedy and serve their self interest - it's just the way we are made. Every single one of us is a sinner, regardless how hard we try not to be. There has to be rules and boundaries set and someone to enforce them.
@CurtHowland If you have no sin, then that means you don't believe in God and instead believe yourself to be a God. If you think you are without fault, then you think you are perfect in every way. And I'm sorry, but you think you are perfect in every way, then you are delusional and a threat to yourself. If you don't think your neighbor is a sinner and will never betray you, then you are naive and a threat to yourself.
@1775novten "There has to be a point where you do what is best for the majority"
No. If even one person is robbed, it's wrong. The ends do NOT justify the means.
Only in a free market can everyone, no matter now small a minority, get the service they desire. Majority rule is just mob rule rationalized. If 100 people gang-rape someone, that's just majority rule.
@1775novten May I assume that, since you consider my position to be one NOT from logic, that you have not bothered to listen to Roderick Long's Informal Talk on Anarchism?
@CurtHowland You are correct, I have not listened to it. But I am open minded and willing to hear anyone who is willing to devote time and energy to a logical discussion. I will take your recommendation and give it a listen - thank you. And I always try to listen to different position with an open mind.
@1775novten I appreciate that. Roderick Long does a good job explaining things.
I especially like how he takes the logical argumentation of people like John Locke and shows that only in a voluntary situation does it make any sense at all.
@1775novten If I may ask you, what other govt on earth has the power to overcome the American population of gun owners?
What army, where?
The guns, planes and bombs will not vanish, no matter how much I wish they would. Cheap anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles will be made by high tech firms and kept in inventory by people, like me, who believe in armed self defense.
The power of an armed insurgency has been proven throughout history. That is why there is a Second Amendment.
@CurtHowland Who do you think pays for all those guns, tanks, planes, and bombs? Do you have the 55 million to pay for a single F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and then the crew to keep in running? And even if someone in America did, do you think he's going to protect all of America, or just his property? I guarantee you that if we disbanded our government tomorrow, that it would be a matter of days before another nation invaded us and took control.
@Everett07630 I realize that some do want a Socialist government. I was just pointing out that some say they want complete tax and others say they want no tax. And I was just pointing out that you can't have a civilized and protection nation without taxes. All taxes have an implied violence associated, but some taxes are a necessity.
@mrhnm I realize that, but believe minimal taxes are a necessary evil. If you didn't pay taxes, then who do you think would be willing to protect you from invasion? Who do you think would protect you and prevent your neighbor from forceably taking everything you own from you? Even if you lived in a hunt in the middle of a swamp, at some point someone else is going to come along and occupy you unless you have an organized government and military. It's just the way it is.
@1775novten that is why we have a constitution that states what the role of government should be in our lives and taxes us accordingly. The question was debated and answered a long time ago. Too bad we don't follow our own laws. We don't need a department of educaton, commerce, energy, security, tsa, fda, epa....all wasted money.
@CurtHowland Yes, I know for a fact that the only reason other nations to over take you and acquire your resources is your threat of recourse. This isn't some conspiracy theory, this is thousands and thousands of years of human history. If you ignore history, then you are destined to repeat it. You honestly think a stronger neighboring force would take your land and resources by force, just because it's "morally" not right. You are naive.
@CurtHowland Other nations are your neighbors, just on a more macro level. You really think that all your neighbors don't take your stuff because "they know it's wrong to do so"? Rather, I think they don't because they know there are penalties if they do. Human are the most vicious, irrational animals on this planet - do you really think everyone would just "do the right thing"? If that were the case, then there would have never been a need for government or laws. It's just not who we are.
@1775novten "Stronger neighboring force" I forgot that Russia succeeded in Afghanistan. Oh that's right they didn't because the local citizens got together and wooped ass.
@mrhnm Come on, if Russia really wanted to turn that place into a sheet of glass, they could have. And you are implying that the Afghan citizens dispelled them on their own and without government support from American, the UK, and several other countries. It was a government funded and fed war. No militia can defeat today's organized military - just isn't going to happen.
@mrhnm So you want to disband all government, all military, all border patrol, all public schools, all public roads, all police? And instead you'd rather live in a mud hut in the middle of no where and just hope that someone doesn't come along and "bother" you?
@mrhnm Ideally, but a private individual can't protect himself against an organized force. So inevitably you would have to join forces with another neighbor, and so on, and ultimately create your own local structure and government.
@1775novten I am in favor of Militia. Just because you have a group of guys who train together and have weapons doesn't mean there is a government involved. I personally have three guys that I train with regularly no government needed.
@mrhnm I hear that and it would work to a micro extent, but you need tens of thousands of organized individuals to protect a nation. And you need more than just rifles and pistols. You need tanks, and planes, and missiles, and ships, and bombs. Individuals just don't have the money for that. And even if someone did, you are implying that you would expect him to put more money in the pot than you. Which is exactly what taxes are - everyone paying their share.
@1775novten I don't see the need for tanks or planes really. I'm not talking about conventional warfare I'm talking about guerilla action. But here's the thing standing arms and tanks and planes are begging to be used. If you don't have a large military you don't have the temptation to go to war with nations.
@mrhnm But here's the other thing, if you don't have a large military then other nations will be tempted to invade you and acquire your resources. You think if we just disbanded out military that every other nation would just leave us be? I'm all about reduced government and agree with Ron Paul that all of our wars should be ended and all troops returned home and that those troops should be assigned to our borders.
@mrhnm You are technically correct, but they do still maintains Police Guard forces, which I sure perform a lot of the same duties as their military did.
@mrhnm Right, because they have a government and a border patrol. There are armed men, paid with tax money that are walking the streets and enforcing laws and protecting their borders. Their country is protected by militia that walk the streets with their muskets after dinner.
@mrhnm And here's my synopsis. You are talking solely in theory and idealistics, which is fantasy land, and in real life you will continue to pay into the system that you so resent. OR, you can choose to vote for the next best thing, which is Ron Paul, who will reduce your taxes and force applied against you to the lowest lever you will ever realistically see it. But I do enjoy great discussions on theory.
@mrhnm Wow, that is an ambitious goal. Do you have any particular regions in mind? Do you believe there is still large landmasses that are still unoccupied or not owned by another government? I mean, I've heard of people buying their own island, but I was never sure if the selling country still sort of had rule over the land once it was sold. I sincerely wish you the best, as that would be an amazing movement and set a huge precedent.
@1775novten That is the real trick. Buying not just the land but Sovereignty itself. I think it will probably end up being an island, probably an artificial one in international waters. There is an oil rig in the Atlantic going for about 1 million now if I bought it it would have it's sovereignty. The trick is getting the start up capital.
@mrhnm Man, that would be tough to turn into a functioning society that produces goods, so that it can barter in the free market. You'd basically have to master alchemy in order to get all your resources shipped or flown in. It just seems like it would rely solely on trade and wouldn't be self sustaining. But I agree that it is definitely a start in the right direction.
@1775novten It's far from perfect. And the plan is still in it's fledgeling years. I started thinking about this a year or so ago. I'm trying to come up with ideas on how to do it. There isn't a lot of unclaimed land available.
@mrhnm I agree, because land equals resources and many wars have been started over resources. Japan has a hard time, because they don't have many indigenous resources. Which if I remember correctly was the reason for them invading China - it was to secure more resources.
@1775novten "So you want to disband all government, all military, all border patrol, all public schools, all public roads, all police?"
You can't "disband" a road. Sell it to the highest bidder. Or let the people who live along it homestead it, and then they can sell it, or rent it, or whatever else they wish to do.
I expect that cooperatives will very quickly spring up, as they did before govt took over all roads, to build and maintain roads to benefit businesses and people.
@CurtHowland So you'd rather pay a toll ever two miles on the highway, instead of their being a known tax that would cover your transit on that highway? That makes no sense. If I owed a section of a major interstate, I could charge whatever I wanted to. So who will pay for the border patrol? Who will pay for the public schools? Who will pay for national defense?
Yep, and face the consequences of losing customers. You seem old enough to have at least tried to run a business, I'm surprised you didn't figure out one of the reasons govt is so wasteful and destructive: No profit and loss. No motivation to do well for the customers.
@CurtHowland I'm not understand the point you are trying to make by this comment. Are you talking about Dave or the gentleman his is interviewing? Dave aligns more with your way of thinking, so it sounds like you're siding with him.
@CurtHowland Small world...I know Mark, the guy at 5:30, personnally. I went to college with him. He's a good guy, and would give you the shirt off his back if you needed it.
He's a socialist in the Marxian since. Not this "Obama socialism" that everyone throws around these days. Mark would tell you straight up, as he sort of did in this video, if you don't want to pay these taxes for sevrices mentioned, you shouldn't have to. You can opt out. You should not be forced to pay them.
@Weswaswrite I'm glad he's principled. If he is, then he will eventually realize that principles require him to recognize the equal rights of others, and that marxism does not work.
I hope for that. If I were religious, I would say "I pray for that".
He is obviously not stupid, which is wonderful, he just hasn't thought through is principles fully.
@CurtHowland I don't want to speak for him anymore than I already have. I will say that he fully understands the rights of others. He even admits that taxation should not be forced. Believe it or not, he and Noam Chomsky are the reason I'm a libertarian (I know that sounds odd, but it is true). They helped lift the veil, so to speak.
Call me crazy, but I consider him and others like him to be an ally in the liberty movement.
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TucsonOrbs 3 months ago
2012 is going to be an epic year.
drysift 3 months ago
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Wake up America!
RON PAUL is the ONLY TRUE CHOICE we have in this Presidential Election.
The ONLY CANDIDATE who threatens the status quo, Who will END the endless WARS .. Who will END the Private Banking Cartel known as the FEDERAL RESERVE ..
Watch the following videos and Educate yourselves on the REAL ISSUES:
"America: Freedom to Fascism" -- "Terror Storm" -- "The Obama Deception" -- "The American Dream"
N8Revolution 3 months ago
@kurt=curt
Damn auto correct
Weswaswrite 4 months ago
@Kurt - I did see the latest video on the Ridley report where arrests were taking place. I noticed Mark and the woman arguing over labor unions, which made me cringe. Considering the importance of the protests, arguing over labor unions is a waste of time and energy.
These different factions need to focus on the bigger picture.
Weswaswrite 4 months ago 2
The whole motion is to start taxing the corporations and the top 1%. I understand you're anti-tax, but isn't it more outrageous that some are excluded from tax regulations while we're all forced to pay?
MeowMorrigan 4 months ago
It's odd to see commie signs here in America. Do you guys remember what happened at Tiananmen Square? Those young people would have died(some did) for the freedoms you take for granted. Here you are protesting FOR more government control. It's embarassing. This has got to be the most spoiled generation of bratts America has ever produced.
Rhiannon003 4 months ago
great report! I was featured a few times : ) I'm the guy in the brown coat with the rasta/italian colored hat and green sunglasses. Feel free to contact me via email or whatever means you wish! fazman120@comcast.net #occupy
Fazman12 4 months ago
so the tax protester will indeed not be forced to pay taxes... Not much of a "tax" if you ask me...
ericfontainejazz 4 months ago
Is not taxation implied when have a number (SSN) given to you by the State? Or when the State owns your Birth Certificate?
I'd like to pay for the services I choose, such as sanitation, parks and water.
moktail 4 months ago
Wow your perspective is really warped when you read "have compassion save social services" and get "violent aggression" from it. I suggest you re-evaluate your worldview before you become a complete lunatic.
WarmachineVengeance 4 months ago 5
@WarmachineVengeance The violent aggression comes in when authorities try to collect taxes, in order to fund the relatively benign program. They often feel they have to threaten the confiscation of your property by force, in order to get the money. Sometimes they do this, and sometimes they taser, tackle or even shoot people who won't pay up. Don't be blind to the aggression behind every government program, at least as the system stands now.
RidleyReport 4 months ago 7
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@RidleyReport True violence is having your employer stealing from your paycheck before you recieve it and dying cuz you can't afford health insurance or a lawer when ur insurance compny denies ur claim. Why are right-wing libertarians so fixated on the theft done by gov't and say nothing of the theft done by employers?->hypocrites. Both practices are crimes against the worker/people
WarmachineVengeance 4 months ago
@WarmachineVengeance The government has to do violence or at least threaten it to get funding for "Social Services".
mrhnm 4 months ago
@mrhnm Violence is having your employer stealing from your paycheck before you get it ad dying cuz you can't afford health insurance or a lawer when ur insurance compny denies ur claim. Why are right-wing libertarians so fixated on the theft done by gov't and say nothing of the theft by employers?->hypocrites. Both practices are crimes against the worker/people
WarmachineVengeance 4 months ago
@WarmachineVengeance Your employer is forced to pay for those things because of various laws. It all comes back to the government man.
And if in some special case your employer isn't forced to provide you with healthcare and what not and they want to take it out of your paycheck anyway that is known as a bad deal. In a free market you can go somewhere else and not have to deal with it.
mrhnm 4 months ago
LETS SEE A FAT AMERICAN ,GO ON HUNGER STRIKE ,..for the cause :(
badslabber 4 months ago
It's not selfish to want to keep the fruits of your labor. It's selfish to demand the fruits of other people's labor. When you've finished eating the rich, you will have to eat eachother. This lesson has already been learned over and over throughout history.
Rhiannon003 4 months ago
@Rhiannon003 The Occupy "movement" is a rebranded regurgitation of the Communist Manifesto.
Everett07630 4 months ago
Well nice to see that reason can disarm your preconceptions Ridley
PixelDansIronFist 4 months ago 3
That guy never said how we'd collect taxes just diverted. And the guy on the MacBook really the whole thing is a joke they have no demands, it's like they are there to do nothing then think they did something
sleasterj 4 months ago
We are for non-violence. Give us your fucking money or got to prison.
greenghost2008 4 months ago
it is so funny to See someone contradict themselves. on one hand, taking by force is wrong. on the other hand, taking by force is right as long as it is justified. too easy dave...
thanosied 4 months ago
fake indians 2:44, badonkadonk 3:15, goober 5:30
beefyoso 4 months ago
Meet your future beaurocrats, welfare recipients and union leaders. Anything but be productive.
BlueSkies360 4 months ago
Those 2 obviously do not watch ridleyreport.
MrRaptur3 4 months ago
Can I have a Barret .50 a parachute and some M.R.E.s please
101crazys 4 months ago
ROLF!
"What up Dave, do you love this movement?"
Dave: "Not yet, but I might"
eneffect 4 months ago
You guys in NH are so hardcore.
PeacefulWeapon 4 months ago
I find it interesting that the one guy got on your case for talking about the violence inherent in the socialism (Almost said system but I don't want to be associated with Dennis, the Anarcho-Syndacilist) and said that he's heard nothing of violence there or in Boston but there was a guy walking around with a sign promoting cannibalism of rich people.
Lechteron 4 months ago
"i believe competition benefits consumers and drives progress, and that monopolies are inefficient and harmful ... except when it comes to roads and defense. because those are magical things exempt from the laws of economics. i thought of this myself and am not just regurgitating half-digested, incoherent memes marketed to me constantly since i was a child by the state and its corporate owners. blah blah founding fathers!!!"
-minarchists
BroBroDude 4 months ago 2
time to fresh that ol' tree of libery...
a10fjet 4 months ago
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CurtHowland 4 months ago
The FED distributed “easy money” to the banks to jumpstart the housing market, then it crashed hard.
The BANKS took the money and gambled with the “easy money”,for and against the loans so it was a win win
The lobbyists bought the politicians via. banks , the govt. was acting in their favor and encouraged the people to take the loans
A perfect financial storm, the bubble grew and burst, and everyone ran to the people to bail them out of their sinking ship.
Banks win/people lose
TheLeperChef1 4 months ago
End the Fed!
missvitreous 4 months ago
8:10 "Pass me the chicken!" ???!
ThatGassettGuy 4 months ago
Lenin also convince his useful idiots that Communism would lead to a stateless / classless society... and we all know how that ended up. Most the people at these Occupy "movement" are Marxists.. and violence is an essential component of Marxism. These useful idiots are the antithesis of personal and economy liberty. The Occupy "movement" is not apolitical. It's been organized top down by groups of Fabian-Socialist / Globalists, Marxists, and Progressive-Democrats / Obama's re-election cronies.
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"Bernanke is the world's greatest counterfeiter."—Ron Paul
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"The real truth of the matter is... that a financial element in the large centers has owned the govt of the US since the days of Andrew Jackson." —FDR
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RevolutionNewsDotUS2 4 months ago
Investigate the FED and end it if you have to........... even Forbes said they are the one's responsible for "juicing the system".
TheLeperChef1 4 months ago
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vechorik 4 months ago
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"Occupy Wall Street"people warned not to let their efforts get hijacked (like the GOP hijacked the Tea Party)
Napolitano suggests common goals.
End the Fed
End the wars
End the income tax
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vechorik 4 months ago
Having met the guy at 05:30, I can say he come across as a complete jerk.
Violence is fine as long as he gets to hire the cops with your money to do it.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland Nah, in my book anyone that doesn't make a threat, commit an act of aggression or demand camera shutoff... has handled me ok. There are plenty of concerns about what these folks would do in power but the lot of them seemed to handle this event really well as best I could tell. It's at least somewhat our duty to protect their rights without regard to what they think.
RidleyReport 4 months ago
@RidleyReport I never said he has no right to be a jerk, nor to argue in any way he sees fit.
Would that he would realize that his opinion requires violence to be used against other who merely disagree.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@RidleyReport Don't appease them. That didn't work in the 30's it won't work here.
mrhnm 4 months ago
@RidleyReport Ridley, your "book" is something filled with wimpy approaches to situations. You still havent filed a criminal complaint against those that trampled your rights. Why dont you fight back instead of being a wimp in every situation. Chicks dont dig that Dave...
cincinatus90 4 months ago
@cincinatus90
Do you REALLY need multiple channels "ArrestAJudgeKit"? Most only have a use for one, what are you trying (badly) to hide?
RetSquid 4 months ago
@RetSquid Once again. HA! YOU IDIOT! I'm from MASS. You proved how stupid you are in a single (now two) post!
cincinatus90 4 months ago
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@cincinatus90
I don't care where you claim to be from, your writing style and videos prove you are the same person.
RetSquid 4 months ago
@CurtHowland Once you get past the defensiveness, I think he makes good points. I mean, are we saying we should have NO taxes? Is there any civilization on earth that doesn't have their citizens pay taxes? I completely agree that government should be reduced and as a result taxes reduced, but I think there needs to be some element of taxes and government.
1775novten 4 months ago
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@1775novten "I mean, are we saying we should have NO taxes?"
YES
"Is there any civilization on earth that doesn't have their citizens pay taxes?"
what a wonderful way forward that line of thinking represents
BroBroDude 4 months ago
@BroBroDude I also think it would be wonderful if everyone respected each other and if everyone lived their lives ethically, but I know that isn't the case, which is why I believe there needs to be some level of government. Who sets the rules, if there is not government? Who protects your nation, if there is no government? Are you saying that our founding fathers had it all wrong?
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten "Are you saying that our founding fathers had it all wrong?"
You might enjoy the book "Hamilton's Curse".
Although my opinion is far from mainstream, I consider the Constitution to have been a successful merchantilist counter-revolution, to install British style economic rule upon a people that had very nearly eliminated central govt for the first time in 5 thousand years.
Pennsylvania's anarchic period, and the Carolinas, made excellent examples of working non-state systems.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland I'm just trying to understand your intent. Are you implying that you don't vote and that you don't participate in our government in any way? You honestly believe that you could live a life of peace without an organized government or mandated rules for all to follow? You really think that other nations would just leave you be? It just doesn't make sense to me. The Native Americans lived such a life and were slaughtered.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten "You honestly believe that you could live a life of peace without an organized government or mandated rules for all to follow?"
Yes. Absolutely.
"You really think that other nations would just leave you be?"
Nation States understand nothing but force. Knowing what the population of North America would do if invaded means I don't worry about it. Really.
"The Native Americans lived such a life and were slaughtered."
Slaughtered, by government. By GOVERNMENT.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland I'm sorry, but even all of North America citizens don't have the weaponry to hold back a military force. We don't own the tanks, planes, missiles and bombs.
Yes, they were slaughtered by government, which only validates my point that if we disband our government that we would be slaughtered by another organized government.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten You really haven't kept up on current events, have you?
Do you have any idea what the Afghans, Iraquis and Pakastanis are holding back the US military with?
Do you have any idea what the Afghans held back the Russian military with?
Obviously not.
If you did, you would realize that the average American turkey hunter outclasses the military snipers of the WORLD.
Honestly, there is no power on earth except the US military that would have even a chance, and only with nerve gas.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland Do you remember when the Japanese also held us back for years? They were so well entrenched, that it was impossible to get them all one by one. So guess what, we stopped trying and just nuked the whole place. Then they immediately cried mercy. You think another nation wouldn't do the same to us, especially if we didn't have an organized military? It's been that way since the beginning of man kind and will be to the end.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten "We" didn't do any such thing. It happened long before I was born, and I expect, you too.
"You think another nation wouldn't do the same to us, especially if we didn't have an organized military?"
Exactly. No organized military. No one target, no one "authority" to surrender for everyone and enforce that surrender on everyone.
However, you still act as if the market cannot respond to aggression. Imagine, for a moment, thousands of well financed assassination squads.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland So now you are relying on the rich to fund your assassination squads and or military. What if they don't want to pay for it? Then who is going to do it? Wars don't make money - they aren't a good business practice, so why would anyone voluntarily pay for it? Our militia can't defend against tanks, ships, missiles, and jets.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten "So now you are relying on the rich"
Hahaha! No wonder you're confused.
The "rich" don't get there by selling 30 refrigerators to the crowned heads of Europe
They get that way by sellling 500,000,000 of them to absolutely everyone, by cutting costs and innovation.
Why do you think defense is anything but another service?
"Our militia can't defend"
Speak for yourself. Again, you use "our" as if that somehow includes me.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland Well just let me know when you organize your own nation within the U.S. and stop paying all taxes, so I can be standing by to buy all your property that the government seizes and auctions off.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten "so I can be standing by to buy all your property that the government seizes and auctions off."
Said like a good citizen, obeying your masters.
I wish you well, good sir. You are at least asking questions, unlike so many of your fellow useful idiots who just obey orders.
You seem to like WW2, please keep in mind how many good Germans who "followed orders" were hanged.
Not that I think that will happen in the United States, oh no. It could never happen here.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland You will also obey, as you are doing now. If you didn't pay the tax on your computer, you wouldn't have it. If you didn't pay the tax on your internet, you wouldn't have it. If you didn't pay the tax on your electricity, you wouldn't have it. So again, you can talk ideals all day long, but it's merely talk until you practice it. Oh, and who hung them? Who held them accountable? Another government right?
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten "If you didn't pay the tax on your computer, you wouldn't have it"
I paid no taxes on my computer.
"If you didn't pay the tax on your internet, you wouldn't have it."
Indeed, there are enough people who "obey" to make everyone have to pay. That's how the powerful stay in power, people obey.
"Who held them accountable? Another government right?"
Very good. Govts kill. They would have been killed if they did not obey, they died for obeying.
Govts kill.
Why do you support govt?
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland Humans kill, not governments. Cavemen killed each other to gain the resources of their neighboring cavemen. The survival of the fittest - remember? Only now "fittest" means richest. I support minimal government for laws, border protection and infrastructure, just to name a few off hand. I align with Ron Paul's minimalistic positions and authorities of government, but also believe there needs to be a basic level.
1775novten 4 months ago
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@1775novten Human societies have mostly concluded that killing each other is "wrong".
The exception to that rule is govt, which kills with impunity.
"I support minimal government"
So only a little killing? Or only killing for really good reasons?
"I align with Ron Paul's minimalistic positions and authorities of government"
Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist. I am not.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
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@1775novten "It's been that way since the beginning of man kind and will be to the end."
Indeed, you do not know history.
Coercive govt is not a given. It exists only because people obey, and is overturned on the flimsiest of pretenses.
Just watch as the US Empire falls, as all empires do.
Will you sit back while a theocratic dictatorship takes over, because they claim the "majority" or the "right"?
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@1775novten Hahaha, so true, he's just arguing the statist quo.
As reasonable as you sound, do keep in mind that there is objection to every tax, no matter what that tax is.
That's why taxation itself is neither peaceful nor voluntary. It is an act of violence against someone who just wants to be left alone.
You are more than welcome to pay for all the govt you want.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland But do you not think that some level of tax is necessary to live in a civilized nation? Do you think our founding fathers were wrong in establishing our government? Can you imagine if we disbanded every level of government in America? I'd give it a day, before we were invaded and occupied by another nation and forced to live within their government. It's simply a necessary evil.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten "do you not think that some level of tax is necessary to live in a civilized nation?"
No.
There is no beneficial service that govt provides that is not more efficiently provided by interested individuals working together voluntarily. That includes mediation.
Evil is not necessary. An evil person cannot grasp the reins of power if those reins do not exist.
I suggest "Roderick Long An Informal Talk On Anarchy" search for it on YouTube.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland You are talking merely idealistic and not logically. You are talking on the premiss that humans always live their life ethically and for the benefit of the whole group and do not take advantage of each other. When you know that history proves otherwise. You have to have rules and you have to have someone to enforce those rules. If you want to advance your culture, then you have to contribute to the development of that culture.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten Haha, no, I'm not ignoring reality.
Reality is that bad people are drawn to govt because that's where the power is. That's why govt grows more abusive year after year.
Culture advances as people interact voluntarily, to build what works for themselves and for others. My drive for society is also my drive to abolish coercion. That develops culture, not violence.
Enforce rules that people voluntarily agree to. Contracts. Beyond that, it's just torture.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland But don't you get that there will never be rules that EVERYONE agrees to. You can never please everyone all of the time. There has to be a point where you do what is best for the majority. You have to have unbiased regulation, otherwise there will always be influence on decision making - like our current government.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten "But don't you get that there will never be rules that EVERYONE agrees to"
YES! At last you're starting to figure things out!
Only with individual liberty and individual responsibility can people live together peacefully.
There is no such thing as "unbiased" regulation, it's always one person's opinion being forced upon everyone else at gun point. and always up for grabs to the highest bidder.
The abuse you see is endemic to coercive govt. Embrace voluntary interaction.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland So in your world, if I don't agree with your rule, but the majority of everyone else does - then what? Will you force me to comply or will you let me just reap the rewards without having to comply with the rule?
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten It's not my world. It's the world of voluntary cooperation.
Does everyone own an iPad or iPhone? No. People have them because that is what they want to have as individuals.
If the majority ruled, no one would have anything but chocolate. I like vanilla. Shall I be coerced into obeying the rule of the majority?
Yes, it is that simple.
Some few people hurt others. They are a vanishing minority, easily dealt with through adjudication and boycott.
Everyone else just does their own thing.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland Sir, again, I agree with you and wish we could live our lives by ideals and the trust that all would behave ethically and reasonably, but it just isn't the human nature. Humans are greedy and serve their self interest - it's just the way we are made. Every single one of us is a sinner, regardless how hard we try not to be. There has to be rules and boundaries set and someone to enforce them.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten "but it just isn't the human nature"
The difference between you and I is belief in the "majority".
I see no divine mandate in the "majority". If it's wrong, it's wrong if one person does it or if 100 people do it.
"Every single one of us is a sinner"
Speak for yourself. I am no sinner at all. I stand without any stain.
As such, I claim no dominion over anyone else. And that, good sir, is the difference between you and I.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
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@CurtHowland If you have no sin, then that means you don't believe in God and instead believe yourself to be a God. If you think you are without fault, then you think you are perfect in every way. And I'm sorry, but you think you are perfect in every way, then you are delusional and a threat to yourself. If you don't think your neighbor is a sinner and will never betray you, then you are naive and a threat to yourself.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten "There has to be a point where you do what is best for the majority"
No. If even one person is robbed, it's wrong. The ends do NOT justify the means.
Only in a free market can everyone, no matter now small a minority, get the service they desire. Majority rule is just mob rule rationalized. If 100 people gang-rape someone, that's just majority rule.
Oh, you were out-voted.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@1775novten May I assume that, since you consider my position to be one NOT from logic, that you have not bothered to listen to Roderick Long's Informal Talk on Anarchism?
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland You are correct, I have not listened to it. But I am open minded and willing to hear anyone who is willing to devote time and energy to a logical discussion. I will take your recommendation and give it a listen - thank you. And I always try to listen to different position with an open mind.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten You should look up Hans Hoppe and Rothbard while you're at it.
mrhnm 4 months ago
@1775novten I appreciate that. Roderick Long does a good job explaining things.
I especially like how he takes the logical argumentation of people like John Locke and shows that only in a voluntary situation does it make any sense at all.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@1775novten If I may ask you, what other govt on earth has the power to overcome the American population of gun owners?
What army, where?
The guns, planes and bombs will not vanish, no matter how much I wish they would. Cheap anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles will be made by high tech firms and kept in inventory by people, like me, who believe in armed self defense.
The power of an armed insurgency has been proven throughout history. That is why there is a Second Amendment.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland Who do you think pays for all those guns, tanks, planes, and bombs? Do you have the 55 million to pay for a single F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and then the crew to keep in running? And even if someone in America did, do you think he's going to protect all of America, or just his property? I guarantee you that if we disbanded our government tomorrow, that it would be a matter of days before another nation invaded us and took control.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten They don't want limited government. They want a Soviet style govt. Look at the groups behind this "movement".
Everett07630 4 months ago
@Everett07630 I realize that some do want a Socialist government. I was just pointing out that some say they want complete tax and others say they want no tax. And I was just pointing out that you can't have a civilized and protection nation without taxes. All taxes have an implied violence associated, but some taxes are a necessity.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten All taxes are evil period.
mrhnm 4 months ago
@mrhnm I realize that, but believe minimal taxes are a necessary evil. If you didn't pay taxes, then who do you think would be willing to protect you from invasion? Who do you think would protect you and prevent your neighbor from forceably taking everything you own from you? Even if you lived in a hunt in the middle of a swamp, at some point someone else is going to come along and occupy you unless you have an organized government and military. It's just the way it is.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten that is why we have a constitution that states what the role of government should be in our lives and taxes us accordingly. The question was debated and answered a long time ago. Too bad we don't follow our own laws. We don't need a department of educaton, commerce, energy, security, tsa, fda, epa....all wasted money.
sharinganclan213 4 months ago
@sharinganclan213 Absolutely agree with you 100%.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten "Who do you think would protect you and prevent your neighbor from forceably taking everything you own from you?"
Honestly, do you truly believe that the only reason your neighbors don't kill you and take your stuff is govt police?
Really?
You live in such constant fear?
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland Yes, I know for a fact that the only reason other nations to over take you and acquire your resources is your threat of recourse. This isn't some conspiracy theory, this is thousands and thousands of years of human history. If you ignore history, then you are destined to repeat it. You honestly think a stronger neighboring force would take your land and resources by force, just because it's "morally" not right. You are naive.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten You didn't say "other nations", you said "your neighbor".
My neighbors don't kill me and take my stuff because they know it's wrong to do so.
"thousands and thousands of years of human history"
Indeed, why can't you learn from it? More people die from their own govts than from war or any other reason.
Why can't you learn govt is NOT your friend?
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland Other nations are your neighbors, just on a more macro level. You really think that all your neighbors don't take your stuff because "they know it's wrong to do so"? Rather, I think they don't because they know there are penalties if they do. Human are the most vicious, irrational animals on this planet - do you really think everyone would just "do the right thing"? If that were the case, then there would have never been a need for government or laws. It's just not who we are.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten "Stronger neighboring force" I forgot that Russia succeeded in Afghanistan. Oh that's right they didn't because the local citizens got together and wooped ass.
mrhnm 4 months ago
@mrhnm Come on, if Russia really wanted to turn that place into a sheet of glass, they could have. And you are implying that the Afghan citizens dispelled them on their own and without government support from American, the UK, and several other countries. It was a government funded and fed war. No militia can defeat today's organized military - just isn't going to happen.
1775novten 4 months ago
@mrhnm So you want to disband all government, all military, all border patrol, all public schools, all public roads, all police? And instead you'd rather live in a mud hut in the middle of no where and just hope that someone doesn't come along and "bother" you?
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten Yes and no. Yes I want government disbanded, but I think private individuals can build a civilization better than a government can.
I guess rely to much on the selfishness of humanity.
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@mrhnm "I guess rely to much on the selfishness of humanity."
Private property and the free market is the only system that thrives on the two most "destructive" of human motivations, greed and sloth.
The only way to make a fortune is to better serve the customers than anyone else. That service is best done by catering to making their lives easier.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@mrhnm Ideally, but a private individual can't protect himself against an organized force. So inevitably you would have to join forces with another neighbor, and so on, and ultimately create your own local structure and government.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten I am in favor of Militia. Just because you have a group of guys who train together and have weapons doesn't mean there is a government involved. I personally have three guys that I train with regularly no government needed.
mrhnm 4 months ago
@mrhnm I hear that and it would work to a micro extent, but you need tens of thousands of organized individuals to protect a nation. And you need more than just rifles and pistols. You need tanks, and planes, and missiles, and ships, and bombs. Individuals just don't have the money for that. And even if someone did, you are implying that you would expect him to put more money in the pot than you. Which is exactly what taxes are - everyone paying their share.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten I don't see the need for tanks or planes really. I'm not talking about conventional warfare I'm talking about guerilla action. But here's the thing standing arms and tanks and planes are begging to be used. If you don't have a large military you don't have the temptation to go to war with nations.
mrhnm 4 months ago
@mrhnm But here's the other thing, if you don't have a large military then other nations will be tempted to invade you and acquire your resources. You think if we just disbanded out military that every other nation would just leave us be? I'm all about reduced government and agree with Ron Paul that all of our wars should be ended and all troops returned home and that those troops should be assigned to our borders.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten Costa Rica doesn't have a military hasn't had one since the 40's.
mrhnm 4 months ago
@mrhnm You are technically correct, but they do still maintains Police Guard forces, which I sure perform a lot of the same duties as their military did.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten The point stands Costa Rica hasn't been invaded.
mrhnm 4 months ago
@mrhnm Right, because they have a government and a border patrol. There are armed men, paid with tax money that are walking the streets and enforcing laws and protecting their borders. Their country is protected by militia that walk the streets with their muskets after dinner.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten Let's just sum this up.
You: Blah blah blah blah stealing is okay so long as special people do it. Blah blah blah but only for certain reasons.
Me: Stealing is wrong period.
You: But you need people to steal from you in order to protect you
Me: No I can take care of myself, and the free market can handle security better than a monopoly.
You: No free markets work until we get to defense then the free market stops working magically.
Me: The free market always works.
mrhnm 4 months ago
@mrhnm And here's my synopsis. You are talking solely in theory and idealistics, which is fantasy land, and in real life you will continue to pay into the system that you so resent. OR, you can choose to vote for the next best thing, which is Ron Paul, who will reduce your taxes and force applied against you to the lowest lever you will ever realistically see it. But I do enjoy great discussions on theory.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten I will vote for Ron Paul.
My ultimate goal is to leave and form my own country.
mrhnm 4 months ago
@mrhnm Wow, that is an ambitious goal. Do you have any particular regions in mind? Do you believe there is still large landmasses that are still unoccupied or not owned by another government? I mean, I've heard of people buying their own island, but I was never sure if the selling country still sort of had rule over the land once it was sold. I sincerely wish you the best, as that would be an amazing movement and set a huge precedent.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten That is the real trick. Buying not just the land but Sovereignty itself. I think it will probably end up being an island, probably an artificial one in international waters. There is an oil rig in the Atlantic going for about 1 million now if I bought it it would have it's sovereignty. The trick is getting the start up capital.
mrhnm 4 months ago
@mrhnm Man, that would be tough to turn into a functioning society that produces goods, so that it can barter in the free market. You'd basically have to master alchemy in order to get all your resources shipped or flown in. It just seems like it would rely solely on trade and wouldn't be self sustaining. But I agree that it is definitely a start in the right direction.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten It's far from perfect. And the plan is still in it's fledgeling years. I started thinking about this a year or so ago. I'm trying to come up with ideas on how to do it. There isn't a lot of unclaimed land available.
mrhnm 4 months ago
@mrhnm I agree, because land equals resources and many wars have been started over resources. Japan has a hard time, because they don't have many indigenous resources. Which if I remember correctly was the reason for them invading China - it was to secure more resources.
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten The only thing I can think of is a data haven as a trading point, I think it would be a largely tech/intellectual economy.
mrhnm 4 months ago
@1775novten "So you want to disband all government, all military, all border patrol, all public schools, all public roads, all police?"
You can't "disband" a road. Sell it to the highest bidder. Or let the people who live along it homestead it, and then they can sell it, or rent it, or whatever else they wish to do.
I expect that cooperatives will very quickly spring up, as they did before govt took over all roads, to build and maintain roads to benefit businesses and people.
Look up "turnpikes"
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland So you'd rather pay a toll ever two miles on the highway, instead of their being a known tax that would cover your transit on that highway? That makes no sense. If I owed a section of a major interstate, I could charge whatever I wanted to. So who will pay for the border patrol? Who will pay for the public schools? Who will pay for national defense?
1775novten 4 months ago
@1775novten "instead of their being a known tax"
As if taxes don't change.
I could just as easily assert "a known toll".
"could charge whatever I wanted to."
Yep, and face the consequences of losing customers. You seem old enough to have at least tried to run a business, I'm surprised you didn't figure out one of the reasons govt is so wasteful and destructive: No profit and loss. No motivation to do well for the customers.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@1775novten "Who will pay for the public schools?"
Burn them all to the ground, please. Few things would please me more.
However, your actual question was "who will pay for education and national defense?"
The answer to that is, whoever wants to.
Compared to public school, private education is a bargain, and more effective. Look it up.
I pity anyone who actually tried to invade the US. There is a rifle behind every blade of grass. And without govt to stop it, assassination teams.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
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@1775novten "Once you get past the defensiveness, I think he makes good points."
I implore you to meet him, and talk to him.
He deserves to be heard for himself.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland I'm not understand the point you are trying to make by this comment. Are you talking about Dave or the gentleman his is interviewing? Dave aligns more with your way of thinking, so it sounds like you're siding with him.
1775novten 4 months ago
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@1775novten "I'm not understand the point you are trying to make by this comment"
Ok, I'll try to be more explicit:
Before you pass judgment, MEET HIM. TALK TO HIM YOURSELF.
Is that more clear?
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland I agree, he sounded like a bitch.
cincinatus90 4 months ago
@CurtHowland Small world...I know Mark, the guy at 5:30, personnally. I went to college with him. He's a good guy, and would give you the shirt off his back if you needed it.
He's a socialist in the Marxian since. Not this "Obama socialism" that everyone throws around these days. Mark would tell you straight up, as he sort of did in this video, if you don't want to pay these taxes for sevrices mentioned, you shouldn't have to. You can opt out. You should not be forced to pay them.
Weswaswrite 4 months ago
@Weswaswrite I'm glad he's principled. If he is, then he will eventually realize that principles require him to recognize the equal rights of others, and that marxism does not work.
I hope for that. If I were religious, I would say "I pray for that".
He is obviously not stupid, which is wonderful, he just hasn't thought through is principles fully.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
@CurtHowland I don't want to speak for him anymore than I already have. I will say that he fully understands the rights of others. He even admits that taxation should not be forced. Believe it or not, he and Noam Chomsky are the reason I'm a libertarian (I know that sounds odd, but it is true). They helped lift the veil, so to speak.
Call me crazy, but I consider him and others like him to be an ally in the liberty movement.
Good talking to you, Curt.
Weswaswrite 4 months ago
@Weswaswrite And you. I sincerely hope that my impression, gathered over two days of listening to him speak, is somehow wrong.
CurtHowland 4 months ago