One of the many favorite scenes from V for Vendetta

[chevy4life869]

is this movie liberal or conservative 

[WillWallacey]

@chevy4life869 Neither. It's anti-fascist. It's easy to believe it is left wing, but many Conservatives like myself would support the view that 'V' and other anti-fascists have.

[AnthraxTrend]

Who is that old guy ? Is it V ?

[IDesignish]

@AnthraxTrend jap

[AnthraxTrend]

@IDesignish yeah but whats his relation to anything its the first time we see him in this scene right

[rmhanzel]

Hey look, it's Guy Fawks!

[painkirax3]

this movie is a masterpiece

[theoandurin]

reminds me of 9/11

[gamenigeria]

@theoandurin 9/11 was caused by al-queda because if see what the U.S did to osama bin laden , if you go back in history. the al-queda i believe committed 9/11. But the angle by which the U.S.A took was wrong. Lets not forget Bush's family owns a military company. I believe he saw this event as an opportunity to increase his profit. This is history between u.s and osama bin laden . the u.s took so much oil form his father and they could not pay him back so in exchange the traind osama bin laden

[unknownnic1993]

@gamenigeria Lmfao 9/11 was caused by the usa goverment for a chance to justifi the nwo. or marshall law. Osama was a cia agent.

[gamenigeria]

@unknownnic1993 Osama is no cia agent please, You have a never with lived a muslim to know thier hatered for U.S.A because as we can see am not from the west world. the ex-president Bush took it the wrong way, he used to achieve his sellfish means. Did you know that inother for the U.S.A to go war , the bill has to wait for three months befores its passed but Bush used to "thw war measure act" . So yeah why didn't bush just wait and many people in the white house where agianst it.

[hotelmario510]

@unknownnic1993 Oh look, everyone, it's our friendly neighbourhood nutjob, who thinks he understands how politics works.

[cinemafreak666]

@gamenigeria

Al Qaeda did cause 9/11 but the United States government has a history with Al Qaeda, these extremists use to be our allies when we were against communism, we aided them with a ton of money and weapons. Bush's family has ties with the Bin Laden family and the Saudi family. In the 1980s Reagan had Taliban members in the White House, we gave Bin Laden medical treatment in a foreign US hospital in the year 2000.

[cinemafreak666]

@gamenigeria

And Bush then ignored the threats, causing 9/11 to happen and then taking advantage of the disaster to attack another country and to set up his police state. Obama has continued this mess as well.

[gamenigeria]

@cinemafreak666 Obama has not really continued this mess, He removed troops from iraq and is removing troops out of afghanistan. that way we beginning to see so many special forces casualties because the more the ground force removed , less grounds are being covered . As a result special forces are neede. The only problem is obama is not aggressive enough and republican just keep oppositing him. I didn't say i hate the republican , i just hate soem of their methods.

[cinemafreak666]

@gamenigeria

Obama pushed through ACTA even though it started under Bush, it finished under Obama, decided not to close down Guantanamo Bay, and signed NDAA. Now, the NDAA and ACTA

[cinemafreak666]

@gamenigeria

I think NDAA and ACTA are not excusable, the other ones could of just been because congress wouldn't let him stop Guantanamo and the patriot act.

[gamenigeria]

@cinemafreak666 In my country we took out a terrorist group within two week and people are trying to tell that U.S.A could not take down the taliban, really. The citizen are aiding the taliban thats the only reason why they are still living. If every citizen fought the taliban. they would not exist.

[cinemafreak666]

@gamenigeria

Yea, America has a history of that. We have aided Taliban and Bin laden in the past. We also use to support Saddam Hussein as well.

[gamenigeria]

@cinemafreak666 yeah i agree with . atleast understands history. i hate when people was blame something they can't understand on the illumanti. If very sad and blinds tthose individual from seeing the real truth. The fact behind problems we face today

[cinemafreak666]

@gamenigeria

Yea, there is a difference between facts and questioning your government and just pure conspiracy theories like the illumanti. Alex Jones is a big conspiracy theorist

[gamenigeria]

@cinemafreak666 thank you, Somebady is able to break this issue down. I was always ask myself this question, We all know that socaity changes but naturally and we seen that so many man-made revolutions have failed in the past. And we really think that world's ruling class with all the money they have and the companies they have. That they would like to begin a revolution. Really?, they only adapt to changes that way it seems like theit ruiling the world.

[cinemafreak666]

@gamenigeria

But I do agree that Obama isn't as bad as Bush, it was just Obama inherited a lot of problems so he had to pick his battles and focus on those battles.

[gamenigeria]

@cinemafreak666 yeah i agree with you, Bush would have been a great president, but he couldn't keep his hands off money. thats all, american is a great country i love it, it may have done so many things in the wrong manner, but look at the people their soilders the mistreat, do those poeple really deserve justice and if those were in the shoes of the U.S soilders won't do the samething.

[TigerWOo]

STOP ACTA !

[nelandquinten]

How in the hell did this movie not win like a million awards???

[lautz73]

If governements really want to fight against another country they will never just attack that country straight out, they will do exactly what V talked about. They will stage what is called a flase flag attack. They will attack their own country in order to gain sympathy from the public to attack others. It's nothing but a power grab for the government and an excuse for the rich to get even richer.

[goodspelr]

Keep in mind that the US government just paid to make the Avian Flu - which is 25 times more deadly than the Spanish Flu of 1918 mutated so that it can spread through the air. Now skip to 1:41 and keep that in mind for the next decade or so. It's worth thinking about.

[SpadaComics]

resume: hi police guy, im alan moore with the ozzy osbourne glasses and im talking crap ....wanna hang out? :D

[bbass67]

The real Guy Fauks fought for Human Rights for Roman Catholics in England who have long been oppresed by the ruling Protestants.

[FranzMal15]

@bbass67 Fawkes*; human rights*;

[RealNatBramley]

@bbass67 Maybe so, but English Catholics were never treated as badly by English Protestants as Spanish, French, or Italian protestants were treated by Catholics of their respective nations.

[TheLaird98]

RUPERT GRAVES!!!!!!!!!

[expertstrategy]

"When i feel safe that he can't pick his nose without you knowing." That was a funny sentence.

[nijey]

He looks like billy connolly

[lemonwaterfall]

Well for you inspector, I needed you.

[pujosetionugroho]

i will go with Sir Allan More, this movie was a crap :))

[BlackFaclonNL]

the whole movie is my favourite scene

[kdfromhb]

Hollywood hates conservatives..... let's remember the Nazis were the "Socialist Workers Party" the following is a quote from Wikipedia:

"Initially Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, though such aspects were later downplayed in the 1930s to gain the support from industrial owners for the Nazis, focus was shifted to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes"

[TheDestinyIslander]

For all of you getting mad that the High Chancellor was called out as conservative: There is really no connection to whatever dilute theory you may hold. V was not making a statement about a party or religion or political persuasion. He was making a statement about power. About aggression. And about the corrupting power of politics in and of itself.

[tgw1986]

@DrPoon If anything, it must be the lib dems here! 2m41s :-\

[dilophosaurus122]

Is he (the old man) V? and don't tell me V is everyone.

I know that hugo weaving plays the old man and v so would they be the same person?

[FadeToPuppets]

@dilophosaurus122

Yes

[iceshades]

deeply religious and conservative politician? who would get that much power? of please, how ridiculous...!! in what place of this world would such a person get any kind of power? in nowadays world? oh wow.... can't believe how they thrown some words, just to taint what they hate....

[Hendrix92TheUniverse]

right and left are just labels meant to divide.

The true enemy is unbridled power and corruption.

[Maglev22]

This movie has a good message, but they blame the right too much. Bullshit. The further to the right of the spectrum, the less power government has. Anyone who has studied poli sci for a half a day can tell you that.

[dafjkldfa]

@Maglev22 Antistatism contains variety of ideologies from individualism to collectivism. In fact libertarism have originally referred to anarchocommunism and the right wing libertarism is much younger ideology. New right in USA combines right-libertarian and conservative ideologies and usually right wing people see individual incapable of living in stateless society because of the selfishness of human nature.

[suzeenn]

i have to do an essay on this and i have so many ideas but i'm still stuck :'(

[sriramsrikumar]

@suzeenn How'd the essay go?

[suzeenn]

@sriramsrikumar it went great thanks, i aced it. i spent hours on in though

[TheToa67]

@suzeenn If you dont have it done yet,include the speech he does on the tv or on the part where he meets Evey and does those sentences with dozens of V's.

[manufran02]

@suzeenn Well start by a specific quote from this movie that sums up what you think

[titi6]

@suzeenn Use the 9/11 incident.

[pjmack79]

conservatives are typically aligned with Fascism and Liberals are typically aligned with with Communism. what you have in America technicly defies both because it is both it's Social-Corportism. it's not a democratic republic free trade Capitolist society. it's transitioning right n ow.

[CoreOfTheSpiral]

False flag terrorism 101. Problem, reaction solution. The blueprint for the world we live in now and for the last 8000 years. After 8000 years we are slowly getting wise to it. Humans are slow learners. Politicians are and have always been part of the problem, never a solution.

[Mizuioken]

@DrPoon - Well it depends on what you mean by 'conservatives', if you mean just the right's ideals. Not fully, they are more so picking on totalitarianism, as you can also see elements of left-side ideals as well in the fray. As for the 'conservatives' meaning the British political party, if you look at the election pie-chat in this scene - the Conservatives were considered a different part than Norsefire and lost to Norsefire in the election along with the others.

[DrPoon]

I loved the movie but hated how they singled out 'conservatives'. All politicians no matter the party are going to want more power over the people in the end.

[JDrakeify]

@DrPoon there not singling out the conservatives its simply becuase there radical right wing so therefore he's gonna be in the conservatives, if it was communist he'd probably from the lib dems or labour, actually i think you'd find that there are some radicals in each party who just piggback of there parties names to get into parliament

[RedGrobo]

@DrPoon Yah but to think both sides are equally as depraved is lunacy... or blind unthinking loyalty!

[NOC137]

@DrPoon They only said the word conservative once in this video. They didn't single them out as a group, they only said that the up and coming politician was a conservative.

[DrPoon]

@NOC137

"Deeply religious man and a member of the conservative party"

Might as well.

Then again, I'm an American, right-leaning, libertarian, nutball.

[Smoof29]

@DrPoon I don't think they're trying to specifically single out the conservative party as a whole, I think it's more of the fact that Sutler has twisted conservative views of how things should be, though his views are extremely biased and he's a complete zealot soo he kind of made his own crazy political party, but I definitely agree that it doesn't matter what party the person is from, all they want is power..love the name by the way DrPoon lol

[Objectivist1994]

@DrPoon From my understanding the comic V talked a lot more about Voluntarism (a.k.a. Anarchy). However, people are sheep and don't understand it, so they kinda had to water the message down to just Liberty for the masses.

[blacknight1313]

@DrPoon you're an idiot... its called the "conservative" party for a reason, because they are much more conservative, leading to more control over society

[mahboi1100]

@blacknight1313

Conservatism in no way means "control over the people".  Conservatives desire stability. They do not desire a large amount of change happening over a small period of time (they still desire change, just slowly). The perception of conservative changes over time according to how society marks it. So, in reality, the High Chancellor was "conservative", because he had control over society ALREADY. This was "stability" and "change-less" for him.

[Apollo3709]

@mahboi1100 true it doesn't, but it seems like the conservatives are also the ones that want more control, NORMAL liberals just don't think it's the governments responsibility to give a shit about half the stuff they do lol

- I had to re-write that cause I read conservatism as communism the first time around lol

[mahboi1100]

@Apollo3709

Haha! Understandable. It also depends on the time period and political state the country is in. Liberalism defines change, while conservatism defines stability (little change). When a surge of liberalism emerges, change occurs in society, leaving, after time, the specific ideas of conservatism to shift to fit the current state. Aka, a period of liberalism rises, then a period of conservatism rises (the stability is defined by what changed), then liberalism again. It's a cycle

[Apollo3709]

@mahboi1100 interesting, and now that I think about it you're right, it's kinda like war, we fight all these different wars, with different weapons but in the grand scheme of things all wars are fought for only one reason, change

[Pizack3]

@DrPoon True, but since the fall of Communism it has been the Right side of the political spectrum that has put on the persona of the power-seeking political party shown in the movie. I don't know about the UK (the place of the movie) but here in the US it is the religious base of the GOP that has stated goals of trying to instil a religious-based government, a theocracy of sorts, as its ultimate goal. Not all members of course, but a loud and increasingly powerful minority none the less.

[UberVersatile]

@DrPoon That's because people like you (I'm making an assumption in your favour here, mind you) do not get involved in politics. So it's frankly all your fault.

[DrPoon]

@UberVersatile Who's to say I'm not a poli sci major?

[UberVersatile]

@DrPoon Then either the previous message is not true or you're one of them.

[seppbrandner]

@DrPoon i would agree mostly, but with the recent history of nations it only makes sense that it would be conservatives. it wouldnt make much sense for a communist government to be killing off blacks and gays now would it? :p

[destinymagician12]

@seppbrandner You say that, but Stalin soon passed laws against homosexuality (I think it was in the 1940s)

[hellom12345]

@DrPoon they were not just singling them out they just said he was a member of the conservative party because that seems the most fitting party for him to be in wouldn't you agree?

[MrKushsmoker21]

@DrPoon it's because that facism, the philosophy of the nazis and the govt that's the subject of this movie, is an form of ultra-conservatism. facism, is the most dangerous of all idealogies, and it seems our nations conservatives are marching lock step in it's direction.

[pinheadman665]

@DrPoon

Yes, but sadly, given the religious stance of the new Conservatives (at least in Canada, from what I've read, but I don't live there), it is actually rather fitting that Sutler would be part of the Conservative Party. If they'd put in that he was a member of the Liberal party, then other people would be upset instead.

[TheCommentsarestupid]

@pinheadman665 I live in Canada. It's not that bad compared to other countries, especially the US and UK. I think Canadians are just shocked to hear religion from the public sphere then they've been used to. While some of the language from the Canadian right is unsettling for many Canadians, it's a far cry from the American religious right.

[pinheadman665]

@TheCommentsarestupid

Religious right is happening in Canada too. The Harper Government (from what I've read) is granting even more rights and freedoms to religions, despite its obsolete nature in an era of science and technological advancement. I used to live in Canada, but had to move due to my job. But from what I've read, it's a real shithole under Harper. His online and public supporters are quite nasty and insulting as well.

[TheCommentsarestupid]

@pinheadman665 Very true, but it seems to be groups that support Harper doing the talking, notHarper himself.

ie. Harper's gone on record saying he doesn't want to talk about abortion and he almost never talks about his personal opinion on evolution. However, the groups he supports have a very clear stance on those issues

That being said, I used to live in the US for work and moved back to Canada. While it's unsettling, it's nowhere near the insanity of the American right.

[pinheadman665]

@TheCommentsarestupid

Oh, I'm aware of that. I just wonder how long it'll be until they become as insane as America. Their sovereignty is pretty much an illusion now. I just wonder how long it'll be until things get more extreme in that place. Oh, and just curious... what party do you vote for?

[onecabnomad]

@DrPoon The reason they did is because the true opposite of a conservative government would be one of complete and total political freedom and equality. Right wing vs Left wing. Dictatorship vs Democracy (and not in today's sense, but the democracy more akin to Athenian times when no one held more power than another).

[DrPoon]

@onecabnomad

Liberalism=socialism=nationali­sm. NAZIS

Either way you look at at it there are the extremes which suffocate human rights. I am not defending conservatism. I'm simply stating that extremism on either side of the political spectrum will lead to human oppression. Hollywood (being as liberal as it is) would gladly say "do as we say not as we do" which is what this movie propagates.

[onecabnomad]

@DrPoon Very true, I wasn't trying to bash on conservatism my self, just trying to give an explanation from the view of the ideals of the movie.

[Canadees7]

@DrPoon Socialism isn't the same as Nationalism...National Socialism is Nationalism.

[Soundwave3591]

@Canadees7 National Socialism, or Nazism, is, at it;s base, German hyper-Nationalism, yes. but it has evolved into a cause for militant fascism and racial purity across the globe, with organizations in the US, England, Russia, even Israel. it is single-mindedly dedicated to removing the jews, and in terms dictated by the national group, purity of ancestral genetics, typically white protestants and conservatives in the west.

[Canadees7]

@Soundwave3591 There's two types of National Socialism; Nazism and Nationalistic Socialism. It's Socialism which praises for the state not the international community first.

[Epimachus123]

@DrPoon

Well its according to some story or comic book that was made earlier I guess. But there is full truth in what you say!

[Tupacca10]

@DrPoon they really didn't single them out. If you watch at around 2:40-2:43 there's a chart that clearly shows the opposite. But you are still right.

[THeRevolting1]

@DrPoon If you notice its a fictional satire of hitler. Adam Sutler was a member of the Conservative Party before he created the Norsefire Party and Adolf Hitler was in the Conservative Party before he made the Nazi Party "There are no coincidences. Only Illusions of Coincidence" -V

[jd1060]

@DrPoon They didn't single conservatives out. V is merely telling a story of a man who used the Conservative party as a means of attaining power and then launches his own party which dominates all parties in the end. It's theme is fascism, which can come from any party.

[matttrevproductions]

so the old dude was V????

[GreatWhiteBrow]

@matttrevproductions Yup. Took me a few watches to realise that myself. Awesome film though.

[matttrevproductions]

@GreatWhiteBrow so he didn't die???

[GreatWhiteBrow]

@matttrevproductions The guy in the video was V acting as Rockwood to try to use Inspector Finch. Rockwood, however, was dead which Finch found out later. I hope that straightens things out for you.

[matttrevproductions]

@GreatWhiteBrow it does thank you sir. :)

[0nCh1ng]

I know

[Tanoro]

Conservative/Liberal is just another arbitrary duality meant to divide us against each other. The observable and demonstrable fact is that politicians are not experts in anything, many are so under-educated that it's embarassing, and thus politics itself is an arbitrary game that has never worked. It can't work and I doubt it ever will.

[StigRossi]

@Tanoro

Do you have a solution then? I love how those who criticize the status quo can never think of anything better

[Tanoro]

@StigRossi I also love such people, but it just so happens that I do have a solution. Look up the Zeitgeist Movement and Resource Based Economy.

[FrederichSchulz]

He just walks away at the end. Not even using his cane. I think that's interesting. Was that meant to be there. Like an obvious "I'm not blind!", that seemed to go unnoticed? Or at least it appeared that way from how I saw it.

[Peter43John]

Sutler was NOT conservative!-he was a FASCIST!!

[Myr4x]

@Peter43John

a) same thing.

b) it does clearly state he was a member of the Conservative party.

[Peter43John]

@Myr4x ....so, I guess that you believe that Sir Oswald Mosley and Margret Thatcher are one in the same???

[Myr4x]

@Peter43John I was taken the mick out of the Conservatives mate, not to be taken too seriously. :P

[englishfrenchgerman]

@Peter43John If you ever attended a Conservative Party meeting, there'd be at least one person there talking like a member of the BNP. Members are sometimes more radical than the leadership is. You get Communists in Labour, fascists among the Conservatives, hippies among the Lib Dems etc.

[Myr4x]

does it shock anyone that Sutler was Conservative?

[paorob86]

Very Cool! this movie rocks!