Combat Shotguns Remington 870 vs Mossberg 590 Part 1 of 2

[VenomsCompromise]

In your case you can swap your 20" barrel for the 28" . In my case I would swap out my 18" barrel for the 28" if I need or have to.

[VenomsCompromise]

"I don't consider optics for a shotgun in this kind of role. Generally home defense"

True but if you have the all purpose 28" barrel as well I can swap the 20" barrel in under 20 seconds and now I you can throw optics on it for field or slug long range. At least thats how it works on my moss 500.

[rdean45acp]

590 a1 is the only one that passed govt tests. Either one will do the job! Nice vid!

[brutedude1]

200-300 dollar difference... the 870(with full length mag) at cabelas and impact is $399, and the 590a1 is $389 or $420..... WHERE DO YOU BUY YOUR GUNS BRO?? YOU JUST GOT SCREWED

[the308capital]

@brutedude1 Look at the Remington Marine Magnum and the Mossberg Mariner, same shotgun and over $200 apart. The Mossberg is just over $400 and the Remington is over $600.

[aliensunderground]

my 870 tactical was 450.00 new

[aliensunderground]

870 all the way.all around better shotgun,in my opinion

[LaGGyXdm]

I used to own a Mossberg 500 and loved it. Most likely gonna grab a Mossberg 590 soon, though looking into the other options

[hunkylynch]

I like pistol grips on rifles like an AK 47 or AR 15, but not on a shotgun. My preference is the Mossberg with the standard stock.

[the308capital]

@hunkylynch Nothing wrong with that.

[bhs0]

A plain HD 870 will run well under $400 while the 590A1 will run closer to $600.

[the308capital]

@bhs0 When equally configured the Rem will be more. The Mossberg Mariner averages $150-$200 less than the Rem 870 Marine Mag, essentially the same shotgun. The basic Mossberg 500 field shotgun averages $30-$50 less than the equivalent Rem 870 Express.

[jokerxxx74]

great information. one of the best comparisons on youtube.

[BAGboy0032]

can the 870 accept a bayonet?

[the308capital]

@BAGboy0032 With a stock 870, no. There are a million was to fasten picatinny stubs to the mag tubes on shotguns and I'm sure someone makes a bayonet that attaches to a picatinny or bolt on lug.

[FullmetaljacketJ]

@the308capital If you have shells in the tube on the 870 do you have to hit the slide release tochamber a round ? or can you just rack it?

[the308capital]

@545Krinkify Either one will perform well.

[the308capital]

@545Krinkify The tang safety is the best location for shotguns, especially hunting birds. So much quicker, and in a naturally easier position to engage/ disengage. Pistol grips eliminate the tang safety access and sort of defeat the purpose. That's why I'll never put a pistol grip on my 590. Both are top of class shotguns. Most Police/SWAT units use the 870 and the Military uses the 590.

[recordmanful]

Love the white board, very informative.

[the308capital]

@recordmanful Thanks

[JamesGSorr]

Will either of the shotguns handle 31/2" shells? I'm shopping and this is an option I'd like to have? Thanks for the nice video.

[the308capital]

@JamesGSorr Neither of these two will take 3 1/2. The Remington Super Magnums and the Mossy models 835 pump and 935 auto handle 3 1/2 shells.

[garrettzkool63]

remingtons arent drilled and tapped for a rail/ optics, there is no bayonete lug, there is no need for a tube extension on the mossy cuz theyre built to hold a lot. fail in that category. mossy wins

[the308capital]

@garrettzkool63 Everyone is entitled to their opinion. 1, this specific Rem model has the tube ext but the police model is hi-cap with a full length tube. 2, I don't hold a bayonet lug as the make or break deal on a shotgun and 3. there are tons of Rem accessories including ways to mount optics. At the End of the day both shotguns are solid, reliable firearms.

[NewAgeDirector]

Great video keep up the good work.

[the308capital]

@NewAgeDirector Thanks.

[3aman8]

I dont totaly agreee with the accessories because the mossberg has hole tapped on the top to put and rail on and the 870 doesnt.

[subsystem8]

first off, i love guns!

I THINK its Remington or BUST, everything else is CHEAP SCRAPS, designed and STAMPED from metal SHEETS made with PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE !!! yeap, defiantly kill you first you when your mossburg jams

[the308capital]

@subsystem8 I love Remington and prefer it over just about everything else, however, I will give Mossy props for being a good shotgun.

[Death929]

Meaning your paying for the manufacturers name Remington

[Death929]

I think the cost of the 870 costs more because of the name.

[JoeNeanderthal]

Nice video. How would you compare the barrels od these two shotguns? Which do you prefer?  (Not talking about the heavy barrel 590A1)

[HiCapacity]

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[P8intballEvans]

I never spend over $600 on a shot gun anymore because these two american made guns are so great! I use an 870s for hunting and a Mossberg 590 for tactical/hd

[the308capital]

@P8intballEvans They really are top of class.

[P8intballEvans]

I have the mossberg 590 for my hd/tactical shotgun but I have 3 870s for hunting I love them both, both are great shotguns, both can do anything you could ever want and need and both are made in the greatest country in the world U.S.A they both have trade offs of eachother that make them equal out in the end

[Sennanchie]

Hey "308"... One thing you failed to mention (and I'm not trying to critique you.. you did a great job on this vid) is the fact that the Mossberg has the capability of putting optics on top of the receiver right out of the box without any gun smithing involved as opposed to the 870, which should be another "+" in Mossberg's favor. It's not a big deal.... just an observation worth considering. Any thoughts on the Saiga 12 by the way? Been thinking about getting that or an 870 Police.

[the308capital]

@Sennanchie I don't consider optics for a shotgun in this kind of role. Generally home defense, CQC, etc where optics aren't that big an issue. A rifle of course would be a different situation. As for the Saiga it is a great shotgun to own but if I could only have one, I'd take an 870. Pump shotguns are always going to be more reliable than autos. Saigas are fun but the steadfast reliability of an 870 or 590 would make a better choice for either defense, or a 1st shotgun IMO.

[USAConnors1]

Mossberg holds more rounds and passed the military specs.

[the308capital]

@USAConnors1 Both Mossberg and Remington passed the military test. Look it up. Lower cost was the reason why the Mossy was selected.

[reeseman67]

@the308capital Rem didnt qualify with two pin/PLASTIC trigger group, no ambi safety, dual extractr, anti jam elevator.Remington dropped out as they didn't consider it a lucrative contract and now Moss is banking off rep of being the ONLY shotgun to pass the testing AND conform to the requirements. Look at thickness between Moss alum receiver (THICKR) and Rem (thinr) steel receiver, similar strength, diff materials. Its easier to warp alum rec vs steel, but I've seen more probs w/Rem than Moss!

[Blk05titan26]

@the308capital i see where you are going and thats true however the extractor isnt like a extra swinging moving part to get in the way, you know with 2 that the shell is going to come out...and if you broke one??? im shure it would still work.... the remmy not so much...im not bustin your balls i like the 870 but prefer the mossy

[Blk05titan26]

the mossy has 2 extractors and the remington only has ...1 seems more reliable to me.

[the308capital]

@Blk05titan26 Fewer parts equals less things to go wrong.

[BigJ782011]

Aluminium will not rust that is also a pro about the mossberg 590.

[the308capital]

@BigJ782011 The barrel is still steel and needs to be treated from time to time to mitigate rust issues. I still prefer the extra rigidity of the steel 870 receiver over the aluminum 590, but it isn't a deal breaker for the 590.

[xstugee]

This is a phenomenal review...just the facts!!!

[the308capital]

@xstugee Thanks. The facts are all that matter.

[the308capital]

@pura0123vida1 Thanks for watching. No firearm system is, or will ever be "perfect". Weight, cost, material, reliability, ergos, function, etc will always a balancing act. I try to point out the true strengths of each gun while spotlighting the shortcomings, it's the only real way to be fair and honest.

[tyte90]

Just traded my saiga .410 for a remington 870. I am very happy with the 12ga. Saiga 12 are too damn expensive right now, would love to have one though.

[the308capital]

@tyte90 870s are outstanding pump guns.  Sorry about your Saiga, though personally I have no use for .410 bore shotguns. Saigas are getting pricey, I bought mine for just over $500 a few years ago because there is looming talk of an import ban. It might be total BS, but I wouldn't totally rule out the possibility.

[esh325]

Mine was probably a rare dud, but I remember the 870 I got you could barely pump the action and I remember it would rust easily. I don't have any experince with the Mossberg, but they're fine shotguns from what I heard.

[the308capital]

@esh325 Either one will make a great shotgun but both makes it even better. 870s by far are the most produced shotgun in the world ,10 million and counting.

[esh325]

@the308capital Is the 10 million number remington alone or does that include copies also?

[the308capital]

@esh325 Its all the Remington 870 pump models including: wingmaster, express, marine magnum, police, etc.

[esh325]

@the308capital mine was the police one I think. It had a really nice walnut stock and recoil pad.

[the308capital]

@esh325 The Marine Magnum 870 is my favorite. It has an 18.5inch barrel, 6+1 capacity and is nickel plated for awesome corrosion resistance. It is expensive though. Mossberg also makes a nickel plated Marine version of the 590 that's like $200 cheaper.

[esh325]

@the308capital What do you think about autoloading shotguns?

[the308capital]

@esh325 I don't care for tube fed autoloaders but I do like my Saiga 12. Overall, pumps are the way to go for reliability. The only gun that's not kept in my safe is my Marine Mag 870 which is my home defender. Pumps by their design are always going to be more reliable. The Saiga is more of a fun gun but I would always take a pump over an auto in a tough situation.

[esh325]

@the308capital I've thought about a Saiga 12. Isn't the Saiga 12 super reliable though?

[the308capital]

@esh325 It's damn good but I've had a few hiccups. First, lighter loads won't cycle right. I a tough situation if you have to use whatever you can get your hands on, a pump will cycle weak loads whereas an auto might hang up. Overall with high power shells, Saigas are great. The other thing with the Saiga is you have to clean the piston and gas chamber with a fair amount of regularity, especially if firing dirtier shells.

[esh325]

@the308capital Doesn't it have a gas regulator though?

[the308capital]

@esh325 Yes, it has 2 settings but even on the higher setting sometimes with weaker loads a failure to eject will occur, it's rare but has happened to me a couple of times.

[the308capital]

@esh325 I've heard that the US wants to ban the importation of Saiga shotguns so if you want one you better act sooner rather than later.

[esh325]

@the308capital Might be just a wild rumor though.

[1113stve]

@esh325 Well now we know they are officially banned. But just the new imports, so all the ones here are the ones that are gonna stay.

[esh325]

@1113stve I think Atlantic firaerms said they think they are going to bann them because they don't qualify as sporting use, but it's not certain yet. It's really a shame I wanted one. Oh well.

[1113stve]

@esh325 You can still buy them from people here, you just can't import any.