humans take in infomation ,this is how we move on and progress ,so those in control of us all make sure we get the info that keeps us under thier control ,and man its working brilliantly for them coz we aint doing shit to stop them. LOL we are fucked SATAN rules and we are all going to hell ha ha .jj7
Maybe I don't get something. If there is any 'core definition' to evolution it would seem to be this - chaotic constant changes over time. Some adaptations stick and others do not. It seems to my way of thinking that if nature was static there could be no change and therefore no evolution. Am I missing something? Yes I am perhaps oversimplifying but you get my point.
Unfortunately, democracy can lead to propaganda and corruprion if not grounded on the ideals of a strong republic where certain things can not be voted on.
Another thing--while the narrator begins by critiquing the notion of "ecosystem" as mechanical, he concludes a weaker thesis: that ecosystems are merely chaotic and not stable. Of course this too is a great oversimplification, for ecosystems can be relatively stable for thousands upon thousands of years or even longer, and sustainability still is meaningful for human society. Also we have no viable alternative to the concept of ecosystems, which still works quite well in describing reality!
@duffmcduffee I agree with you, and I agree that this idea does not make political struggle irrelevant or unnecessary. In America, we need to work toward the restoration of our democratic system and I believe we should work towards the establishment of democracy throughout the world. In this way, hopefully we can avoid the games of the elites and begin to engage in the cooperation as opposed to competition that is necessary if we hope to survive in our natural environment.
Also, not all communes failed. Communes evolved into the co-op and cohousing movements. Yes politics came in, but so did structures for consensus decision making, etc.
And not all the recent revolutions have been failures in the least! While it is important to acknowledge that politics and power aren't going away, the internet can and has played vital roles in political organizing in Egypt and elsewhere.
Politically, it doesn't matter whether we view nature as stable systems or chaotic dynamic change--both are used by power elites to control. For instance the latest trend in corporate management is to try to convince employees to embrace and be enthusiastic about change, to exploit chaos, etc. Meanwhile the fundamental hierarchies of power remain relatively stable--a minority of powerful, rich elites.
@duffmcduffee It's all about controlling the dialectics. It's not whether you believe that nature is stable or chaotic, but how the argument between the two is controlled.
It's kind of interesting to me that these theories were even proven to be overly simplistic by experiments with robots. Machines proved that natural systems are not simply circuits, even system made OF machines.
@solojam whenever they become sentient by themselves its a possibility- but sentience also brings with it the instinct for self preservation which could be humanities death knell
There's more than a few of Adam Curtis' documentaries follow along that theme: check out the Century of the Self, the Trap, Pandora's Box. All fantastic.
He is fond of reusing his favorite material. It creates some really nice continuity in his work. For example, his preferred CAPS-font is a trait, his use of archive material is, Eno's music is, john Carpenter's music is, the Cold War is, Oedipus comes to America is, and it depends on what your definition of the word "is" is.
as always the BBC uses formulations that let the listeners think that a Brit or American had invented the things spoken about, while the original german inventors never were mentioned.
@mihdd "as always the BBC uses formulations that let the listeners think that a Brit or American had invented the things spoken about, while the original german inventors never were mentioned.
Anyone help with this - The music starting about 09.25, is it NIN, Atticus Ross or did i hear it in the series Touching Evil (US version) (which as a side note was brilliant and should be on DVD)??
fuck they blocked adam curtis third movie because of the music used.... bmg can suck my balls.. adam curtis this is enlightment thanx love from sweden
There are only 58, 628 views on this page, in a world of billions, and many out of this number were multi-tasking while watching it, stretching their attention thinly amongst a "diverse" range of "smart"phones, computer monitors, mp3s and more. You can watch this documentary but it means as little as a drowning man just looking at the life preserver tossed out to him.
By commenting on this videos page we, myself included, are participating in the very thing Curtis iscriticising and warning us against. Let us all be careful not to allow the system to become our only means of fighting it.
THIS IS UTTER BULLSHIT! Biologists all know that with mammals, there is always a leader. For example, the leader of wolves is the pack leader, and the leader of apes is the alpha male. Humans are mammals, thus order among us is natural. We are not plants and most definitely not computers. Unlike humans and other mammals, computers and nature don't need hirachy. We do. what they are asking for is communism
@unknownfakename Of course they're asking for communism - they experimented with communes obviously. But it's not the kind of "red" communism which is associated with the term by most people, the cliché soviet Russia. One should also consider that humans show very distinct differences from other mammals, they developed civilization. Humans are capable of plenty of things neither wolves nor apes are.
THIS IS UTTER BULLSHIT! Biologists all know that with mammals, there is always a leader. For example, the leader of wolves is the pack leader, and the leader of apes is the alpha male. Humans are mammals, thus order among us is natural. We are not plants and most definitely not computers. Unlike humans and other mammals, computers and nature don't need hirachy. We do.
I don't think a critique of the holistic understanding of a cybernetic "ecosystem" is invalid. Yes, there is some contingent base for reality, whether it be biological or socio-political in nature. However, our conventional and passive character creating obsession with a secure system of balance today (Gen-Xers are the worst) is fundamentally related to holistic theories of ecological consciousness borne out of the hippie era. Good for Curtis to show some guts and spur some debate.
while the documentary was interesting, it was also heavily biased. The use of mood music to signal how one should feel about a particular part was a little annoying. It was also humorous at times because I felt I was knowledgeable about some of the technical subjects and the mood was just dramatic and irrational. btw, hippies are freaking scary!
@lordjavathe3rd So you're telling the people wanting to tell their feelings about you your feelings about them wanting to tell their feelings about you?
@konrad303 No, I'm just warning any readers of my comment that its a generally bad practice to put someone in a situation where they would have to publicize their feelings about any particular thing. That would turn their developing concepts into ones meant for practice, which they are not. Only concepts which turn into memes may be disputed, the others are constantly being developed.
@lordjavathe3rd The concept seems to be to experiment with a state of as little privacy as possible. Of course we people raised in some kind of "western" civilization are not used to that. Certain indigenous folks may have other traditions where this behavior of total honest thought transparency is seen as normal. It could have its advantages if practised carefully.
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It's an unconditional love of humanity that drives the modern revolutionary.
It is that faith and activism that leads to the new revolutionaries today, men who still believe in men, who are still convinced that we can build a decent society in which all men respect one another, and in which all men can communicate with each other as full-bodied human beings who are still persuaded that WE WILL WIN by fighting the good fight.
"I am about as afraid of dying as I was of being born." ~Spartacus
7:52 Critical, Feedback Loops,, Who are the Ones Privileged to Get/Have That Information, fore in the WRONG HANDS/Bilderburgs/Megalomaniacs, this World As we See It, Will 'NOT' be Ours, ((SIMPLE LOGIC)) Temporary committees are ok, like a building committee; but when the building is completed, goodbye building committee! ? ALL Secret Societies, , , Freemasons, don't even know the beginning/REASON of Their Own History!!! Albert Pike; Wrote about 3-World Wars and the N.W.O. Accident???
As humans we look at nature and think, how peaceful and tranquil, but this is only from our position relative to it ie we have no natural predators and always enough to eat, if you are further down the food chain eg a bird or a worm you are constantly in fear of starving or of being attacked and eaten, a very different experience. Similarly a billionaire looks out of the window of his mansion across his huge garden and thinks what a wonderful world, lets preserve/conserve it just as it is...
I wonder if the failure of the communes etc happened because of the generations of programming/abuse that we all endure in a dominator society- this surely would take years of experimentation and new insights and understanding to evolve from, not a few years of randomness by a tiny group of folk.
The balance of nature is NOT an illusion. An illusion must be seen in some way. This balance has never been truly observed or recreated. So therefore it is just an imagined idea that had to be resolved once again by the species of human, who tend to need to relearn this lesson over and over. We'll never stop riding nature 'till she bucks us for good.
@PS3Juggalo True, but I think here Adam Curtis is drawing attention to the fact that the 'balance' in nature is one of continual evolution. There is no self-regulating system that looks after everything and allows life to flourish in equal measure relative to the environment. Nature is in a constant state of flux and destroys and creates in both equal and unequal measure. This is the pitfall of using nature as a model for a civilised society. Respecting nature doesn't always mean emulating it...
I disagree that we ol' hippies got together/lived together for the reasons given at the end of this video. I think we just wanted community, good food, and shared responsibility. Of course, most of the guys were just there for the lure of free love (lol).
The egaletarian society experiments finally came back to discover the convenience of the old idea of a balance of powers, not an absence of power at all.
Not sure I finished this episode - think I got distracted by something else! But I do think that Lovelock is such a distinguished scientist (he has a CV of published papers as long as my arm) that I take with a pinch of salt anyone who says he's wrong.
@firestartertwistedfi isn't that a slightly dangerous approach to adopt? sounds like an appeal to authority -which isn't scientific! One possibility might be that local or separate successes in scinece may be one thing, but a commitment to a holistic theory like Gaiai is quite another.
This is yet another example of how science is sensitive to evidence and can adjust even its most basic assumptions on a fundamental rethink. If only religion were that open-minded.
Funny thing about Smuts' thinking is... he wanted artificial distinctions like "nations" to disappear, but claimed that the world had to be managed by the White European "races". LOL
The human beings and the nature themselves are already the naturally perfect ECOSYSTEM, you do not have to deliberately think of creating another layer of ecosystem of your own -- UNLESS YOU HAVE DIFFERENT AGENDA. (-.-)
I really like Adam Curtis' films but this one seemed a bit unfounded in parts. It challenged some of my worldviews, but it lacked support for some points and I did not really get what the overall message was meant to be. It seems he mixed up "balance of nature" with a static nature. Without a certain balance of nature, 500mil years of life would not have kept this planet liveable. And even though many communes of the 1970ies failed, some still exist and other nonhierarchical groups do as well.
Always interesting, but not entirely convincing. In fairness he makes some huge leaps, but the message I take from it is that someone always comes along and fills a power vacuum, and vague, fuzzy 'revolutions' are doomed to failure because they don't factor in the counter-revolution. Shit, that sounds Stalinist.
Phillip Ball's Critical Mass and anarchist theory in general are fucked if Curtis is right.
Well done and thought provoking. The episode kind of left me empty when it dashes the concept of natural equilibrium, but this emptiness is then replaced by the concept of life and nature in constant flux, making every moment sad and precious.
I'm afraid though, that some will take this to mean that the environment is a lost cause, and so not to fight the environmental status quo, when really it only means that the technocratic CONCEPT is flawed, and social alternatives are still possible.
@Icavotz It is a planned economy, which is what Pandora's box discusses.
It also smells very much of technocratic elitism, and none of the many videos I've watched nor the FAQ or any other Venus Project documentation has convinced me otherwise.
For the record, I am a libertarian socialist and am very sympathetic to any alternatives to Capitalism, but I find the venus project from what I have seen to be naive and underspecified in equal measure.
@Icavotz U-Say: We need a Resource Based Economy now. I-Say: Who Controls the "Information" on your resources, Mexico has 3-Times the Resources USA, as well as Africa, yet is is Owned/Illusion by Global Zionist movement Aka Bilderberg's! Search: S.E.R.C.O. the hidden manipulation of Issuance of Currency AND access to GREED!! C.A.F.R.The BIGGEST Game in Town", Which as"I See It" IS THE KEY TO AMERICAS PRISON CELL OF ECONOMIC-TYRANNY
Who's Left? A Few UltraRich and Us, the TappedOut Masses Feb 4,10. Among Clinton's Worse Crimes against humanity, however, were his repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, and the passage of the Commodity Futures.
People are being played like violins by the Greedy "Bloodline" Bankers. Our Biggest Enemy is our own Ignorance of what is happening to the worlds people.
Humankind has ALLOWED the MONEY LENDERS (slugs, bottom feeders, middle men, sponges, leeches, users. people who contribute NOTHING to soc>
to society but MISERY, DEATH & DESTRUCTION FOR THEIR OWN PROFIT!) to take over our "Rule".
Its time to face the truth & ARREST them & punish them by THE Their Constitutional of United STATES Office!!
We are connected to a higher dimension. The 5th when we refer to the theories of quantum physics... It is incredible. It is my hope that humanity will open their eyes (all THREE of them) before it is too late for them:)
"I'm so sick of Empires-NWO Globalist World Bankers Arming the World, and then sending our troops; Young MEN And NOW WOMEN over to destroy World Humanity Aka Eugenics, you know what I mean? Empire's keep arming these little countries, then the Globalist use our X-Box "Death Cult" "BY DESIGN" Youth go and blow the shit out of 'em. We're Manipulated and Misguided and Lied to without knowing Aka BOOT-CAMP BRAINWASHING to be like the bullies of the world! You know as We're like Jack Palanc
in the movie Shane, Throwing the Pistol at the sheep herder's feet: 'Pick it up.' 'I don't wanna pick it up mister, you'll shoot me.' 'Pick up the gun.' 'Mister, I don't want no trouble, huh. I just came down town here to get some hard rock candy for my kids, some gingham for my wife. I don't even know what gingham is, but she goes through about 10 rolls a week of that stuff. I ain't looking for no trouble, mister.' 'Pick up the gun.' Boom, boom. 'You all saw him. He had a gun.'" Aka.
Aka. U. N. tries to Justify it on Murdock’s Media Empire and BULLSHIT The World with his HDTV Prog 40Hz MindControl!
From the Bill Hicks analogy as in Bulls-Eye Reasoning!
Marlon Brando on Hullywood-I am very angry with some of the Jews," said the 72-yr-old actor."They know perfectly well what their responsibilities are.. Hollywood is run by Jews. It is owned by Zionist-Jews, and they should have a greater sensitivity about the issue of people who are suffering." Similarly, 1979 PlayboyInterview
interview he said: I was mad at the Jews in the business because they largely founded the industry. You've seen every race besmirched, but you never saw an image of the kike. Because the Jews were EverWatchful for that"
"I've never seen a President,I don't care who he is,stand up to them.It just boggles the mind.They always get what they want.The Israelis know what is going on all the time.I got to the point where I wasn't writing anything down.If the American people understood what a
what a grip these people have got on our government, they would RISE UP IN ARMS. Our citizens certainly don't have any idea what goes on."
Thomas H. Moorer 12 -04
Admiral, US Navy & Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff
during interview on 24 August 1983
The Globalist World Bankers are using Organized Religion to Divide and Conquer, fund and create Wars against Humanity & Num. 1 WEAPON STARVATION&TAXATION! A combination of political, military and economic strategies that aim to gain and maintain pow
power into chunks that individually have less power than the one implementing the strategy. I.E. N.W.O.rder, Seems more like they want an OLD World Order to Me,,
Wake Up America, the Enemy is Inside the Gates
-Charlotte Iserbyt: Federalizing and ((Corporatizing All The Schools))
Please educate yourself. I dont want to come off as an idiot, but you are literally standing in the way of human progress if you believe in this. You are condemning humans to slavery and totalitarianism if you believe the nonsense from for instance "The venus project". Sorry for writing in this way but you really need to take a greater look at it. Don't fall for the intent of a system. Often the intention is very much different from the result.
@niklasbastholmhansen There must be a link between the economy and the resources of this planet, and no one left behind. That's not totalitarism, that's human rights, that's freeing people. The path is not easy, but it's something that we have to do.
I appreciate your good intentions. they show that you are probably one of the few people that actually cares about disadvantaged people. I commend you for that. However, your good intentions do not matter only results matter. A hungry child will not be fed by your warm heart, only food can do that. What you suggest would inevitably lead to totalitarianism in the form of communism, which is probably the worst cure to the disease you illustrate. If you really want to help out
@niklasbastholmhansen You, as many people, seem to believe that communism inevitably can only exist in the form of some evil totalitarianism. That's pretty mindless. Communism in history got abused just as many religious movements with originally good intentions. As long as people really just practice the original spirit, things can very well be great and the hungry child will actually get fed, there even might be no hungry children at all.
Hi Konrad, thanks for your comment. The reason why communism can never be the good system that many of its proponents wishes of it is because of the centralization of power which is one of the defining characteristics of a totalitarian system like communism, fascism and socialism. Centralization of power is great when great people are in power. The problem is when bad people gain power, and the sad part is that the worst people always reach the top in political systems.
@niklasbastholmhansen Who says communism can only work centralized? Take the hutterites, for example. They practice a form of communism for hundreds of years already, way before Karl Marx was even born. They live in small communes which are almost self-sufficient and exist independent from each other. A lot about them is quite old-fashioned of course due to their strong long traditions, but similar colonies could absolutely be operated with a modern concept.
Communism is per. definition centralized. very few people in the form of politicians direct all production and distribute all of the goods among the people. The "commune" is said to own all means of production. It can never be communism if all power is not centralized. Maybe we are not talking about the same here. You write about self-sufficient, and independent communes. That is certainly not communism. That sounds more like voluntarism or anarchy as some people call it
The reason why bad people are preferred in politics is that politics is not about ability to create value, but about creating coalitions that you must be willing to leave when it is smart to do so. That is why you see people like Obama who seemed to be genuine become the obvious liar he is. Gitmo still open, deficit not halfed within first term, Libya(WTF?? ) and continuation of the two wars. We need to realize that politicians are liars. Them all, Bush, Obama. All.
So it will always be the worst of us who seeks political office and it will always be those most ruthless, willing to lie, willing to be morally bankrupt that are the most likely to get elected. You must lie as a politician to win. It disgusts me. So systems based on centralized power in the hands of politicians are dangerous. Communism etc. are examples of these. No chance of being good. Your heart is in the right place, your mind needs to follow it :)
@niklasbastholmhansen As Yoda says: the quicker way the dark side is. People with lower moral barriers have more action options. But this is a problem with every form of government, not particularly communism. And in every form a system of checks and balances has to be developed to counter that. Limiting the scope of power to small entities (ie. communes) could be another way of keeping damage low.
I completely agree. Every form of government has this problem. That is one of the reasons why I do not believe in a government. Governments are not something we need at all. There is nothing substantial in my personal life that would be any different without a government. Governments enable the greatest forms of human corruption: The belief that you can live at the expense of someone else. It is the greatest most destructive force on the planet. I effin hate governments.
Then you should commit yourself to the interest of achieving results instead of just showing your big heart. No doubt about the fact that your convictions are pure and your heart is in the right place. But your proposed solutions would bring you the absolute opposite results of what you are seeking. Your results would be communism and human misery. It would not bring the god results you hope for. Please do not stay as a person only with good intentions. We need you to be involved. :)
Documentary-making Adam Curtis-style, may unsettle people who want their TV so that they always know where they are. Instead, Curtis grabs your attention and challenges your ideas, especially if you think your ideas are just obvious and have been around forever. He reminds viewers that ideas and vague notions each have a starting point and a history that may surprise you. If he gets you to read a book here and there, well, you'll be all the better for that exercise.
Documentary-making Adam Curtis-style, may unsettle people who want their T so that they always know where they are. Instead, Curtis grabs your attention and challenges your ideas, especially if you think your ideas are just obvious and have been around forever. He reminds viewers that ideas and vague notions each have a starting point and a history that may surprise you. If he gets you to read a book here and there, well, you'll be all the better for that exercise.
Did not like when talks machine and deer side by side, that's more utopian and would not happen for hundred's/thousands of years..we're certainly not to level1 yet.
true that Earth is 'evolving' again but Human's cannot in time Do we have sub-model for bacteria?
30:50 onwards is completly true to now, This film also confirms that it is government agenda to irradicate 80% population now the resources are becoming slowly more scarce, with 1 world government ruling what's remaining 20% of us.saveus
I'm always confused how these hippies seem to now be reasonably wealthy if they spent important working years living in huts in a mud field. I can only guess they benefited from the wealth generated by their parents.
feel that some here are misguided.... think in the end what he is saying is, just as in Religion, the answers by ecology, technology, politics, systems theory, game theory is limited and vague, but as humans we have constantly tried to then force this limited vague all encompassing ideals to support are own 'rational' ideologies....
Love the thought provoking film, yawn & rolls eyes at some of the more facile comments here. Open your minds to other viewpoints people, observe & consider other people's arguments a bit more before automatically rubbishing them just because they don't confirm to your own fixed views.
everything we thought we knew is the opposite, its a contrarian's dream... I love it
gasmanucf 7 months ago
@gasmanucf a contrarian's dream? no it's not!
LiberaLib 7 months ago
@gasmanucf no ur not!
gasmanucf 7 months ago
humans take in infomation ,this is how we move on and progress ,so those in control of us all make sure we get the info that keeps us under thier control ,and man its working brilliantly for them coz we aint doing shit to stop them. LOL we are fucked SATAN rules and we are all going to hell ha ha .jj7
maddogj7 7 months ago
Maybe I don't get something. If there is any 'core definition' to evolution it would seem to be this - chaotic constant changes over time. Some adaptations stick and others do not. It seems to my way of thinking that if nature was static there could be no change and therefore no evolution. Am I missing something? Yes I am perhaps oversimplifying but you get my point.
wetlazer 7 months ago
why in god's name haven't you guys made adam curtis prime minister yet?
highway234 7 months ago
@highway234 because we're british and therefore fuck-ups with stiff upper lips lol
MoonstompingMike1985 7 months ago
loving this soundtrack
jxhensley 7 months ago
Unfortunately, democracy can lead to propaganda and corruprion if not grounded on the ideals of a strong republic where certain things can not be voted on.
America needs to get back to it's republic.
bpbiv31 7 months ago
Another thing--while the narrator begins by critiquing the notion of "ecosystem" as mechanical, he concludes a weaker thesis: that ecosystems are merely chaotic and not stable. Of course this too is a great oversimplification, for ecosystems can be relatively stable for thousands upon thousands of years or even longer, and sustainability still is meaningful for human society. Also we have no viable alternative to the concept of ecosystems, which still works quite well in describing reality!
duffmcduffee 7 months ago
@duffmcduffee I agree with you, and I agree that this idea does not make political struggle irrelevant or unnecessary. In America, we need to work toward the restoration of our democratic system and I believe we should work towards the establishment of democracy throughout the world. In this way, hopefully we can avoid the games of the elites and begin to engage in the cooperation as opposed to competition that is necessary if we hope to survive in our natural environment.
Jack102589 7 months ago
Also, not all communes failed. Communes evolved into the co-op and cohousing movements. Yes politics came in, but so did structures for consensus decision making, etc.
And not all the recent revolutions have been failures in the least! While it is important to acknowledge that politics and power aren't going away, the internet can and has played vital roles in political organizing in Egypt and elsewhere.
duffmcduffee 7 months ago
Politically, it doesn't matter whether we view nature as stable systems or chaotic dynamic change--both are used by power elites to control. For instance the latest trend in corporate management is to try to convince employees to embrace and be enthusiastic about change, to exploit chaos, etc. Meanwhile the fundamental hierarchies of power remain relatively stable--a minority of powerful, rich elites.
duffmcduffee 7 months ago
@duffmcduffee It's all about controlling the dialectics. It's not whether you believe that nature is stable or chaotic, but how the argument between the two is controlled.
riethc 7 months ago
It's kind of interesting to me that these theories were even proven to be overly simplistic by experiments with robots. Machines proved that natural systems are not simply circuits, even system made OF machines.
DudeTheMighty 7 months ago
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machines will set us free, people as one with no boundaries
solojam 7 months ago
@solojam whenever they become sentient by themselves its a possibility- but sentience also brings with it the instinct for self preservation which could be humanities death knell
1x93cm 7 months ago
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solojam 7 months ago
so basically it boils down to-
a bunch of overinflated egos with ignorant idealistic tendencies wanting to fuck with shit to "make it better" instead of leaving well enough alone?
1x93cm 7 months ago
@1x93cm it seems the smarter we seem to get the stupider we are
pdxeddie1111 7 months ago
@1x93cm Yup. Pretty much.
There's more than a few of Adam Curtis' documentaries follow along that theme: check out the Century of the Self, the Trap, Pandora's Box. All fantastic.
Kotesu 7 months ago
Anyone know where to find the next episode in this series? And indeed superb soundtrack. Thanks for posting.
Hoepsakee 7 months ago
we don't understand ourselves let alone bloody nature/reality, any logical ideas are just that.. more concepts...
Rrrrobbo 7 months ago
The posture seems to be 'we are machines'.
Wrong! Machines are us. We made them, we programmed them; they followed us.
Pretty obvious to me at least...
Lsdfunk 7 months ago
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popstone1 7 months ago
@Lsdfunk Whether Humans are Machines, or Machines are Human, it's the same conclusion.
riethc 7 months ago
He is fond of reusing his favorite material. It creates some really nice continuity in his work. For example, his preferred CAPS-font is a trait, his use of archive material is, Eno's music is, john Carpenter's music is, the Cold War is, Oedipus comes to America is, and it depends on what your definition of the word "is" is.
TheTTBT 7 months ago
slavoj žižek points out the delusions of the ecologists in almost every lecture he gives
kao1917 7 months ago
why do the guys in the 60s have a better bit rate than what we have with skype
EDbringer 7 months ago 7
mankind is too complex to be either animal, or machine.
nem700 7 months ago
as always the BBC uses formulations that let the listeners think that a Brit or American had invented the things spoken about, while the original german inventors never were mentioned.
its still in war propaganda / reeducation mode
mihdd 8 months ago
@mihdd pls educate us.. what german inventors? go on
hansson2000 8 months ago
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@mihdd "as always the BBC uses formulations that let the listeners think that a Brit or American had invented the things spoken about, while the original german inventors never were mentioned.
its still in war propaganda / reeducation mode"
Which thing are you talking about?
riethc 7 months ago
Anyone help with this - The music starting about 09.25, is it NIN, Atticus Ross or did i hear it in the series Touching Evil (US version) (which as a side note was brilliant and should be on DVD)??
tmarkandy 8 months ago
@tmarkandy Ok got it - NIN A Warm Place
tmarkandy 8 months ago
brilliant documentary. its a bit like slovoj zizek but you can actually understand it
spaceghost1313 8 months ago
OUR belief in the ECOSYSTEM and it was never even TRUE- ALL WATCHED OVER PART II
podcastshmodcast 8 months ago
fuck they blocked adam curtis third movie because of the music used.... bmg can suck my balls.. adam curtis this is enlightment thanx love from sweden
hansson2000 8 months ago
what's the song that starts @26:33?
labour12312 8 months ago
There are only 58, 628 views on this page, in a world of billions, and many out of this number were multi-tasking while watching it, stretching their attention thinly amongst a "diverse" range of "smart"phones, computer monitors, mp3s and more. You can watch this documentary but it means as little as a drowning man just looking at the life preserver tossed out to him.
zachflame123 8 months ago 2
By commenting on this videos page we, myself included, are participating in the very thing Curtis iscriticising and warning us against. Let us all be careful not to allow the system to become our only means of fighting it.
zachflame123 8 months ago 2
lol at the penguins at 13:45
Blueeyesnoir 8 months ago
THIS IS UTTER BULLSHIT! Biologists all know that with mammals, there is always a leader. For example, the leader of wolves is the pack leader, and the leader of apes is the alpha male. Humans are mammals, thus order among us is natural. We are not plants and most definitely not computers. Unlike humans and other mammals, computers and nature don't need hirachy. We do. what they are asking for is communism
unknownfakename 8 months ago
@unknownfakename Of course they're asking for communism - they experimented with communes obviously. But it's not the kind of "red" communism which is associated with the term by most people, the cliché soviet Russia. One should also consider that humans show very distinct differences from other mammals, they developed civilization. Humans are capable of plenty of things neither wolves nor apes are.
konrad303 8 months ago
THIS IS UTTER BULLSHIT! Biologists all know that with mammals, there is always a leader. For example, the leader of wolves is the pack leader, and the leader of apes is the alpha male. Humans are mammals, thus order among us is natural. We are not plants and most definitely not computers. Unlike humans and other mammals, computers and nature don't need hirachy. We do.
unknownfakename 8 months ago
You know why the governments want to control the internet now... They are losing power!
LucVal1 8 months ago
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Nosferat23 8 months ago
13:30 what is that music. I heard it in the last episode, I'm hearing it again so I am doubly curious now.
twitchx 8 months ago
@twitchx its Forgive by Burial
rikineill 8 months ago
@twitchx its Forgive by Burial
rikineill 8 months ago
Stewart Brand AND Richard Brautigan!?! diggity-dang!D
skuzzbunny 8 months ago
I don't think a critique of the holistic understanding of a cybernetic "ecosystem" is invalid. Yes, there is some contingent base for reality, whether it be biological or socio-political in nature. However, our conventional and passive character creating obsession with a secure system of balance today (Gen-Xers are the worst) is fundamentally related to holistic theories of ecological consciousness borne out of the hippie era. Good for Curtis to show some guts and spur some debate.
brcx300 8 months ago
DOES ANYONE ONE KNOW THE NAME OF THE FIRST SONG BEING PLAYED? THANKS.
TheCrazzykiller 8 months ago
@TheCrazzykiller It's called 'Baby Love Child' by Pizzicato 5.
sarsipius3rd 8 months ago
while the documentary was interesting, it was also heavily biased. The use of mood music to signal how one should feel about a particular part was a little annoying. It was also humorous at times because I felt I was knowledgeable about some of the technical subjects and the mood was just dramatic and irrational. btw, hippies are freaking scary!
lordjavathe3rd 8 months ago
the commune thing creeped me out. I wouldn't want anyone to tell me what they were feeling about me, I think I'd vomit uncontrollably.
lordjavathe3rd 8 months ago
@lordjavathe3rd So you're telling the people wanting to tell their feelings about you your feelings about them wanting to tell their feelings about you?
konrad303 8 months ago
@konrad303 No, I'm just warning any readers of my comment that its a generally bad practice to put someone in a situation where they would have to publicize their feelings about any particular thing. That would turn their developing concepts into ones meant for practice, which they are not. Only concepts which turn into memes may be disputed, the others are constantly being developed.
lordjavathe3rd 8 months ago
@lordjavathe3rd The concept seems to be to experiment with a state of as little privacy as possible. Of course we people raised in some kind of "western" civilization are not used to that. Certain indigenous folks may have other traditions where this behavior of total honest thought transparency is seen as normal. It could have its advantages if practised carefully.
konrad303 8 months ago
what song is playing starting @ 51:47 thru 52:20
dhernandez5623 8 months ago
@dhernandez5623 right where it belongs - nine inch nails
CraigMCMXCI 8 months ago
lazyfreedom86, run out of meds?
So there you are, this great prophet telling us how we are all being duped, yet you are free to post these rants for all the world to see?
Not done away with by these 'forces', not locked up (unless you discount the prison of your deluded and paranoid mind).
SSCFPA 8 months ago
Read
Shock Wave Rider
Last and First Men
Decent interval.
Adam Curtis is an apologist and fraud.
The Internet was set up as a Kill Grid by Murderous Established Money Family Cartels.
Investigate the facts for yourself . . . you are being watched, modeled and harvested.
The western monetary cartels are holding the East Asian Economies hostage with earthquake weapons
911 was a controlled demolition by the western money interest first dropped in James Burke "Trigger Effect"
lazyfreedom98 8 months ago
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@lazyfreedom98 sorry bud, you crazy
itsthetruf 8 months ago
youtube "Zeitgeist Moving Forward" for more on a Resource Based Economy
efortune357 8 months ago
could you please include a link to the zeitgeist movement . com? We're promoting a ressource based economy, come join us!
much love from "germany"
TZMchapterKiel 8 months ago
Check out other Adam Curtis documentaries - Century of the Self is amazing - much better, go watch it! Great Docu-maker :D
elephantarmy 8 months ago
Am I the only one that payed attention to the music in this documentary!? It's absolutely AMAZING!!!
ElThrash1 8 months ago 27
@ElThrash1 music is great yea :) two of the tracks defo NIN, right where it belongs, and a warm place. :)
odinreln 8 months ago
@ElThrash1 -
You are not alone. (Curtis always has a killer score)
apeman888 8 months ago
@ElThrash1
you should watch human planet by adam curtis too. it has better music, and is an all round better documentary than this one.
nem700 7 months ago
@nem700 Human Planet wasn't by Adam Curtis
Gunt78 7 months ago
@ElThrash1 if you have seen other adam curtis docs you know that he works not only on the ideas but also on image and sound
fossilvivo 7 months ago
SO frustrating that I can't watch ep 3 in Vietnam. What are they blocking?
kyarochanda 8 months ago
SO frustrating that I can't watch part 3 in Vietnam. What's in it that they want to block?
kyarochanda 8 months ago
"We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public's imagination...
So we have to offer up scary scenarios,
make simplified, dramatic statements
and make little mention of any doubts...
Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest." Prof. Stephen Schneider, Stanford Prof. of Climatology,
lead author of many IPCC reports, It doesn't matter what is true,
it only matters what people believe is true. Paul Watson,
Who's WATCHING the Watchers
rclark23 8 months ago
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rclark23 8 months ago
It's an unconditional love of humanity that drives the modern revolutionary.
It is that faith and activism that leads to the new revolutionaries today, men who still believe in men, who are still convinced that we can build a decent society in which all men respect one another, and in which all men can communicate with each other as full-bodied human beings who are still persuaded that WE WILL WIN by fighting the good fight.
"I am about as afraid of dying as I was of being born." ~Spartacus
rclark23 8 months ago
7:52 Critical, Feedback Loops,, Who are the Ones Privileged to Get/Have That Information, fore in the WRONG HANDS/Bilderburgs/Megalomaniacs, this World As we See It, Will 'NOT' be Ours, ((SIMPLE LOGIC)) Temporary committees are ok, like a building committee; but when the building is completed, goodbye building committee! ? ALL Secret Societies, , , Freemasons, don't even know the beginning/REASON of Their Own History!!! Albert Pike; Wrote about 3-World Wars and the N.W.O. Accident???
rclark23 8 months ago
As humans we look at nature and think, how peaceful and tranquil, but this is only from our position relative to it ie we have no natural predators and always enough to eat, if you are further down the food chain eg a bird or a worm you are constantly in fear of starving or of being attacked and eaten, a very different experience. Similarly a billionaire looks out of the window of his mansion across his huge garden and thinks what a wonderful world, lets preserve/conserve it just as it is...
hexonatapeloop 8 months ago 2
the song name baby love child by pizzicato five
simon2007x 8 months ago
I wonder if the failure of the communes etc happened because of the generations of programming/abuse that we all endure in a dominator society- this surely would take years of experimentation and new insights and understanding to evolve from, not a few years of randomness by a tiny group of folk.
ehpl 8 months ago
Resource Based Economy! Research it!!!
BrentAltonNally 8 months ago
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science can be just as dangerous as religion.
MaladaptiveCatalyst 8 months ago
The balance of nature is NOT an illusion. An illusion must be seen in some way. This balance has never been truly observed or recreated. So therefore it is just an imagined idea that had to be resolved once again by the species of human, who tend to need to relearn this lesson over and over. We'll never stop riding nature 'till she bucks us for good.
PS3Juggalo 8 months ago
@PS3Juggalo True, but I think here Adam Curtis is drawing attention to the fact that the 'balance' in nature is one of continual evolution. There is no self-regulating system that looks after everything and allows life to flourish in equal measure relative to the environment. Nature is in a constant state of flux and destroys and creates in both equal and unequal measure. This is the pitfall of using nature as a model for a civilised society. Respecting nature doesn't always mean emulating it...
rubberglover 8 months ago
@rubberglover word.
PS3Juggalo 8 months ago
13:36 song name anyone? [edit] OFCOURSE, its burial forgive..
WisdomInHeresy 8 months ago
13:36 song name anyone?
WisdomInHeresy 8 months ago
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my favorite part is definitely @ 26:46
pwd3679 8 months ago
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pwd3679 8 months ago
I disagree that we ol' hippies got together/lived together for the reasons given at the end of this video. I think we just wanted community, good food, and shared responsibility. Of course, most of the guys were just there for the lure of free love (lol).
hannah4peace 8 months ago
the song at the beginning is called 'baby love child' by Pizzicato Five :)
Jameady1 8 months ago
whats the music at 52:10 called?
Snailrider96 8 months ago
The egaletarian society experiments finally came back to discover the convenience of the old idea of a balance of powers, not an absence of power at all.
mnightsirk 8 months ago
this documentary is AWESOME!!!!
1001plateaus 8 months ago 28
@1001plateaus The BBC at its best.
zekezero12345 8 months ago
what is the name of the song at the beginning ?
CradleOfRazors 8 months ago
I like that there's lots of NIN in this documentary.
TheMessianicManic 8 months ago
We're doomed.
Leibinz 8 months ago
what is the name of the tribe shown at 2:40?
thatbozo 8 months ago
Get to 15:30, can't stop laughing for thinking of Look Around You.
mystwork 8 months ago
Not sure I finished this episode - think I got distracted by something else! But I do think that Lovelock is such a distinguished scientist (he has a CV of published papers as long as my arm) that I take with a pinch of salt anyone who says he's wrong.
firestartertwistedfi 8 months ago
@firestartertwistedfi isn't that a slightly dangerous approach to adopt? sounds like an appeal to authority -which isn't scientific! One possibility might be that local or separate successes in scinece may be one thing, but a commitment to a holistic theory like Gaiai is quite another.
Brilliance can still be caught up in ideology.
spitfirepilot 8 months ago
What is the song starting at 14:50?
benjileek 8 months ago
@benjileek Nine Inch Nails - Right Where It Belongs
benjileek 8 months ago
I just missed this on iplayer, thanks so much for uploading
streetfightsecrets 8 months ago
This is yet another example of how science is sensitive to evidence and can adjust even its most basic assumptions on a fundamental rethink. If only religion were that open-minded.
metalbucket2 8 months ago
Funny thing about Smuts' thinking is... he wanted artificial distinctions like "nations" to disappear, but claimed that the world had to be managed by the White European "races". LOL
megokego 8 months ago
"ecology. yes. that's what i'm talking about."
redorocker 8 months ago
The human beings and the nature themselves are already the naturally perfect ECOSYSTEM, you do not have to deliberately think of creating another layer of ecosystem of your own -- UNLESS YOU HAVE DIFFERENT AGENDA. (-.-)
tkooi71 8 months ago
Anyone know the classical music from 2 minutes 30 seconds?
nickhanks77 8 months ago
@nickhanks77 pretty sure its georges delerue's theme from the movie "le mepris" or "contempt" in english. can find it on youtube
CK2890 8 months ago
@CK2890 Thanks very much, checked it out and yes it is! Some great stuff Morricone in this too, Jill's theme from Once Upon a Time in the West.
nickhanks77 8 months ago
I really like Adam Curtis' films but this one seemed a bit unfounded in parts. It challenged some of my worldviews, but it lacked support for some points and I did not really get what the overall message was meant to be. It seems he mixed up "balance of nature" with a static nature. Without a certain balance of nature, 500mil years of life would not have kept this planet liveable. And even though many communes of the 1970ies failed, some still exist and other nonhierarchical groups do as well.
auroraglacialis 8 months ago 3
Always interesting, but not entirely convincing. In fairness he makes some huge leaps, but the message I take from it is that someone always comes along and fills a power vacuum, and vague, fuzzy 'revolutions' are doomed to failure because they don't factor in the counter-revolution. Shit, that sounds Stalinist.
Phillip Ball's Critical Mass and anarchist theory in general are fucked if Curtis is right.
shambobilla 8 months ago
Chaos bitches... get used to it. Order is just an illusion that the people in power need you to beleive to keep you under their greedy little thumbs.
ChoasTheory2000 8 months ago
Well done and thought provoking. The episode kind of left me empty when it dashes the concept of natural equilibrium, but this emptiness is then replaced by the concept of life and nature in constant flux, making every moment sad and precious.
I'm afraid though, that some will take this to mean that the environment is a lost cause, and so not to fight the environmental status quo, when really it only means that the technocratic CONCEPT is flawed, and social alternatives are still possible.
spokmage 8 months ago
We need a Resource Based Economy now.
Icavotz 8 months ago 26
@Icavotz You might want to check out another doco by Adam Curtis, Pandora's Box.
It discusses the idea that one can centrally manage an economy through science.
churchofstfu 8 months ago
@churchofstfu Thank you, but Resource Based Economy is not communism, nor technocratic elitism.
Icavotz 8 months ago
@Icavotz It is a planned economy, which is what Pandora's box discusses.
It also smells very much of technocratic elitism, and none of the many videos I've watched nor the FAQ or any other Venus Project documentation has convinced me otherwise.
For the record, I am a libertarian socialist and am very sympathetic to any alternatives to Capitalism, but I find the venus project from what I have seen to be naive and underspecified in equal measure.
churchofstfu 8 months ago
@Icavotz REMEDY: stop shagging for a bit.. families limited to 1 child for a couple of decades.. simpless
WisdomInHeresy 8 months ago
@Icavotz U-Say: We need a Resource Based Economy now. I-Say: Who Controls the "Information" on your resources, Mexico has 3-Times the Resources USA, as well as Africa, yet is is Owned/Illusion by Global Zionist movement Aka Bilderberg's! Search: S.E.R.C.O. the hidden manipulation of Issuance of Currency AND access to GREED!! C.A.F.R.The BIGGEST Game in Town", Which as"I See It" IS THE KEY TO AMERICAS PRISON CELL OF ECONOMIC-TYRANNY
rclark23 8 months ago
Who's Left? A Few UltraRich and Us, the TappedOut Masses Feb 4,10. Among Clinton's Worse Crimes against humanity, however, were his repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, and the passage of the Commodity Futures.
People are being played like violins by the Greedy "Bloodline" Bankers. Our Biggest Enemy is our own Ignorance of what is happening to the worlds people.
Humankind has ALLOWED the MONEY LENDERS (slugs, bottom feeders, middle men, sponges, leeches, users. people who contribute NOTHING to soc>
rclark23 8 months ago
to society but MISERY, DEATH & DESTRUCTION FOR THEIR OWN PROFIT!) to take over our "Rule".
Its time to face the truth & ARREST them & punish them by THE Their Constitutional of United STATES Office!!
We are connected to a higher dimension. The 5th when we refer to the theories of quantum physics... It is incredible. It is my hope that humanity will open their eyes (all THREE of them) before it is too late for them:)
Top5 Cntdown on Who Humanity's Enemy Is?
#1 WORLD BANKS
#2 Private Fed Reserve
rclark23 8 months ago
"I'm so sick of Empires-NWO Globalist World Bankers Arming the World, and then sending our troops; Young MEN And NOW WOMEN over to destroy World Humanity Aka Eugenics, you know what I mean? Empire's keep arming these little countries, then the Globalist use our X-Box "Death Cult" "BY DESIGN" Youth go and blow the shit out of 'em. We're Manipulated and Misguided and Lied to without knowing Aka BOOT-CAMP BRAINWASHING to be like the bullies of the world! You know as We're like Jack Palanc
rclark23 8 months ago
in the movie Shane, Throwing the Pistol at the sheep herder's feet: 'Pick it up.' 'I don't wanna pick it up mister, you'll shoot me.' 'Pick up the gun.' 'Mister, I don't want no trouble, huh. I just came down town here to get some hard rock candy for my kids, some gingham for my wife. I don't even know what gingham is, but she goes through about 10 rolls a week of that stuff. I ain't looking for no trouble, mister.' 'Pick up the gun.' Boom, boom. 'You all saw him. He had a gun.'" Aka.
rclark23 8 months ago
Aka. U. N. tries to Justify it on Murdock’s Media Empire and BULLSHIT The World with his HDTV Prog 40Hz MindControl!
From the Bill Hicks analogy as in Bulls-Eye Reasoning!
Marlon Brando on Hullywood-I am very angry with some of the Jews," said the 72-yr-old actor."They know perfectly well what their responsibilities are.. Hollywood is run by Jews. It is owned by Zionist-Jews, and they should have a greater sensitivity about the issue of people who are suffering." Similarly, 1979 PlayboyInterview
rclark23 8 months ago
interview he said: I was mad at the Jews in the business because they largely founded the industry. You've seen every race besmirched, but you never saw an image of the kike. Because the Jews were EverWatchful for that"
"I've never seen a President,I don't care who he is,stand up to them.It just boggles the mind.They always get what they want.The Israelis know what is going on all the time.I got to the point where I wasn't writing anything down.If the American people understood what a
rclark23 8 months ago
what a grip these people have got on our government, they would RISE UP IN ARMS. Our citizens certainly don't have any idea what goes on."
Thomas H. Moorer 12 -04
Admiral, US Navy & Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff
during interview on 24 August 1983
The Globalist World Bankers are using Organized Religion to Divide and Conquer, fund and create Wars against Humanity & Num. 1 WEAPON STARVATION&TAXATION! A combination of political, military and economic strategies that aim to gain and maintain pow
rclark23 8 months ago
power into chunks that individually have less power than the one implementing the strategy. I.E. N.W.O.rder, Seems more like they want an OLD World Order to Me,,
Wake Up America, the Enemy is Inside the Gates
-Charlotte Iserbyt: Federalizing and ((Corporatizing All The Schools))
-Pt.1 Rosalind Peterson: The Chemtrail Cover-Up
-Corn Syrup Causes Cancer! - Joyce Riley
-Dr. Russell Blaylock: Fluoride's Deadly Secret
rclark23 8 months ago
@Icavotz
Please educate yourself. I dont want to come off as an idiot, but you are literally standing in the way of human progress if you believe in this. You are condemning humans to slavery and totalitarianism if you believe the nonsense from for instance "The venus project". Sorry for writing in this way but you really need to take a greater look at it. Don't fall for the intent of a system. Often the intention is very much different from the result.
niklasbastholmhansen 8 months ago
@niklasbastholmhansen There must be a link between the economy and the resources of this planet, and no one left behind. That's not totalitarism, that's human rights, that's freeing people. The path is not easy, but it's something that we have to do.
Icavotz 8 months ago 2
@Icavotz
Hi Icavotz,
I appreciate your good intentions. they show that you are probably one of the few people that actually cares about disadvantaged people. I commend you for that. However, your good intentions do not matter only results matter. A hungry child will not be fed by your warm heart, only food can do that. What you suggest would inevitably lead to totalitarianism in the form of communism, which is probably the worst cure to the disease you illustrate. If you really want to help out
niklasbastholmhansen 8 months ago
@niklasbastholmhansen You, as many people, seem to believe that communism inevitably can only exist in the form of some evil totalitarianism. That's pretty mindless. Communism in history got abused just as many religious movements with originally good intentions. As long as people really just practice the original spirit, things can very well be great and the hungry child will actually get fed, there even might be no hungry children at all.
konrad303 8 months ago
@konrad303
Hi Konrad, thanks for your comment. The reason why communism can never be the good system that many of its proponents wishes of it is because of the centralization of power which is one of the defining characteristics of a totalitarian system like communism, fascism and socialism. Centralization of power is great when great people are in power. The problem is when bad people gain power, and the sad part is that the worst people always reach the top in political systems.
niklasbastholmhansen 8 months ago
@niklasbastholmhansen Who says communism can only work centralized? Take the hutterites, for example. They practice a form of communism for hundreds of years already, way before Karl Marx was even born. They live in small communes which are almost self-sufficient and exist independent from each other. A lot about them is quite old-fashioned of course due to their strong long traditions, but similar colonies could absolutely be operated with a modern concept.
konrad303 8 months ago
@konrad303
Hi Konrad,
Communism is per. definition centralized. very few people in the form of politicians direct all production and distribute all of the goods among the people. The "commune" is said to own all means of production. It can never be communism if all power is not centralized. Maybe we are not talking about the same here. You write about self-sufficient, and independent communes. That is certainly not communism. That sounds more like voluntarism or anarchy as some people call it
niklasbastholmhansen 8 months ago
Respond to this video..
The reason why bad people are preferred in politics is that politics is not about ability to create value, but about creating coalitions that you must be willing to leave when it is smart to do so. That is why you see people like Obama who seemed to be genuine become the obvious liar he is. Gitmo still open, deficit not halfed within first term, Libya(WTF?? ) and continuation of the two wars. We need to realize that politicians are liars. Them all, Bush, Obama. All.
niklasbastholmhansen 8 months ago
Respond to this video...
So it will always be the worst of us who seeks political office and it will always be those most ruthless, willing to lie, willing to be morally bankrupt that are the most likely to get elected. You must lie as a politician to win. It disgusts me. So systems based on centralized power in the hands of politicians are dangerous. Communism etc. are examples of these. No chance of being good. Your heart is in the right place, your mind needs to follow it :)
niklasbastholmhansen 8 months ago
@niklasbastholmhansen As Yoda says: the quicker way the dark side is. People with lower moral barriers have more action options. But this is a problem with every form of government, not particularly communism. And in every form a system of checks and balances has to be developed to counter that. Limiting the scope of power to small entities (ie. communes) could be another way of keeping damage low.
konrad303 8 months ago
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I completely agree. Every form of government has this problem. That is one of the reasons why I do not believe in a government. Governments are not something we need at all. There is nothing substantial in my personal life that would be any different without a government. Governments enable the greatest forms of human corruption: The belief that you can live at the expense of someone else. It is the greatest most destructive force on the planet. I effin hate governments.
niklasbastholmhansen 8 months ago
@Icavotz
Then you should commit yourself to the interest of achieving results instead of just showing your big heart. No doubt about the fact that your convictions are pure and your heart is in the right place. But your proposed solutions would bring you the absolute opposite results of what you are seeking. Your results would be communism and human misery. It would not bring the god results you hope for. Please do not stay as a person only with good intentions. We need you to be involved. :)
niklasbastholmhansen 8 months ago
Documentary-making Adam Curtis-style, may unsettle people who want their TV so that they always know where they are. Instead, Curtis grabs your attention and challenges your ideas, especially if you think your ideas are just obvious and have been around forever. He reminds viewers that ideas and vague notions each have a starting point and a history that may surprise you. If he gets you to read a book here and there, well, you'll be all the better for that exercise.
Cogniscent1 8 months ago
Documentary-making Adam Curtis-style, may unsettle people who want their T so that they always know where they are. Instead, Curtis grabs your attention and challenges your ideas, especially if you think your ideas are just obvious and have been around forever. He reminds viewers that ideas and vague notions each have a starting point and a history that may surprise you. If he gets you to read a book here and there, well, you'll be all the better for that exercise.
Cogniscent1 8 months ago
lol
DivineMalice9 8 months ago
@DivineMalice9 without elite
DivineMalice9 8 months ago
Does anyone know the music that begins around 02:20 ?
Lindelamare 8 months ago
what is the song starting at 9:19? please, please save me :)
thedrastik 8 months ago
@thedrastik It's a mix of a A Warm Place by Nine Inch Nails and a song from Ghosts by Nine Inch Nails that I can't remember the name of.
Ferretfeatures22 8 months ago
@Ferretfeatures22 thank you so very very much.
thedrastik 8 months ago
Did not like when talks machine and deer side by side, that's more utopian and would not happen for hundred's/thousands of years..we're certainly not to level1 yet.
true that Earth is 'evolving' again but Human's cannot in time Do we have sub-model for bacteria?
30:50 onwards is completly true to now, This film also confirms that it is government agenda to irradicate 80% population now the resources are becoming slowly more scarce, with 1 world government ruling what's remaining 20% of us.saveus
loofoowho 8 months ago
oh I see nothing has changed @38:30 minutes
g1rlg0ne 8 months ago
What's the song at 51:31 ?
AndroidPolitician 8 months ago
@AndroidPolitician Nine Inch Nails - right where it belongs (use Spotify to listen to it)
minetube2 8 months ago
This episode of the documentary should be called "Re: Avatar".
AndroidPolitician 8 months ago
What is the song that starts at 58:41 ?
angryafghan 8 months ago
@angryafghan Stereo Total - Aua
minetube2 8 months ago
@minetube2
Do you know the song at 13:44 ?
AndroidPolitician 8 months ago
@AndroidPolitician Burial - Forgive (found with SoundHound)
minetube2 8 months ago
I'm always confused how these hippies seem to now be reasonably wealthy if they spent important working years living in huts in a mud field. I can only guess they benefited from the wealth generated by their parents.
Tobacc0 8 months ago
feel that some here are misguided.... think in the end what he is saying is, just as in Religion, the answers by ecology, technology, politics, systems theory, game theory is limited and vague, but as humans we have constantly tried to then force this limited vague all encompassing ideals to support are own 'rational' ideologies....
Sicakes1981 8 months ago
The music choices in this are superb
TJtraceur 8 months ago
@treebirdpoo
He's not saying info theory is foolish, he's saying it's limited and is not a cure-all. Listen to some of his radio interviews.
domzbu 8 months ago
Love the thought provoking film, yawn & rolls eyes at some of the more facile comments here. Open your minds to other viewpoints people, observe & consider other people's arguments a bit more before automatically rubbishing them just because they don't confirm to your own fixed views.
domzbu 8 months ago 2