Well, "brojulien", how does having free speech somehow make discrimination acceptable? He's still a bad person for saying what he said and the right to free speech doesn't change that at all. haha its fucking imbred hicks like him that give conservatives a bad name. Ignorant rednecks.
Canada, where the rights of some are trampled underfoot while the rights of others are defended with outrage and vehemence. Liberals cannot accept the views and convictions of conservatives, they consider them archaic, simple and cruel. Yet we are to treat them and their rights with the utmost respect or pay the price. I'm sure the poor bastard who said the same words spoken in every blue colar work place in the nation on a daily basis will be sued. This is our Canada to dammit.
When Tom Lukiwski spoke out and let his feelings be known, he was condemned by the press, and by the gay community. Right or wrong, that`s how he felt at the time. The gay community and the press on the other hand suddenly have a God-given right to play the video that was A: Stolen by the NDP, B: Never intended to be shown in public, and C: Is at least 16 years old. HE HAD, AND STILL HAS A RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH!! Does "mymoosejaw" and other gays understand English?? I think not!
Right to free speech shouldn't include right to verbal violence. It cannot trample the genuine rights of other people. Just like the right to drive vehicles shouldn't include trampling people underneath.
Politicians are especially required to be sensitive to the rights of people.
1. Belonging to an urban tribe and being attracted to someone are two different things. Did you choose to be attracted to the opposite gender? Neither did I choose to be attracted to the same one.
2 Must gays you've seen? How many did you really know? How many did you talk to? And how can you be sure they were "doing it" for attention, whatever it is they were doing? And if by attention you mean hatred / alienation from other groups, then yes that's probably what they got.
OH WHO CARES!!!? Oh the Hate, the HATE! (whimpers) I can't believe such HATEFUL INTOLERANT BIGOTS are running Canada. Oooh this has irreparably damaged my self-esteem.
There is no reason for Tom Lukiwski to resign or get fired, he was just expressing his thoughts and beliefs, he did not do anything illegal, and besides in some parts of the world such as the Middle East gay people get executed.
I think it's safe to say that if homophobia is present in the general public, then it is surely present at a higher level. I also think the issue would be getting more attention had his comments been about jews, blacks, or even women, which I think is sad and speaks volumes. It'll be interesting to see what happens, as Stephen Harper has kicked others out of his caucus for saying and doing less scandalous things than Lukiwski did.
are you serious?! the things he said are no better than racial slurrs! if he's said these things once hes liable to say them again. i live in regina beach and personally i think he should be fired. i dont want someone who treats others like that to represent my town.
There is no reason for Tom Lukiwski to resign or get fired, he was just expressing his thoughts and beliefs, he did not do anything illegal, and besides in some parts of the world such as the Middle East gay people get executed.
Tom Lukiwski's comments are absolutely disgusting! It is sad that society feels this is acceptable behaviour coming from an adult just because it happen 16 years ago. I wonder what group he is bullying today??? And would we find his new targeted bullying acceptable.
he apologized. He seems humilated. Liberals and NDP are calling on him to get fired for old comments. Did they do the same for all of the anti gay comments from Liberal and NDP politicans in the middle to late 1990's? Those guys never even apologized. Scotty, Douglas wasnt a bad guy, he apologized for supporting sterilizing natives and the disabled. He changed his views. Why is that change acceptable, you are defending the honour of Douglas but want to throw a conservative under the bus, biased?
I mostly agree with you, as someone who was deeply offended by these comments, I found his apology genuine and actually quite moving. I would add though that I find the context, a bunch of higher ups in the conservative party, making these comments a little unnerving. With recent actions in the federal conservative party (attampting to role back gay marriage), it's hard to not feel a little threatened and feel that homophobia is still present at an institutional level.
I am sick and tired of hearing the same ignorant, racist and prejudiced comments day in and day out. These remarks, coming from prominent Saskatchewan residents are an outrage and an embarrassment. With people referring to Jews as a "Disease" -- David Ahenakew, and Gays as "Homosexual f--gots with dirt under their fingernails that transmit diseases" - Tom Lukiwski, not to mention the racism that our Aboriginal, Muslim, Chinese and every other group encounter on a daily basis; is it any
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uhhh, this was 16 years ago, the guy was drunk too.
The main point is that it was 16 years ago. Gaybashing was pretty common then, especially when the scientific community beleived that AIDS only affected gay people. The idea that gays still are contagious and can transmit diseases is shown by the Blood banks not accepting blood from homosexuals.
His comment wasn't that bad, you're getting worked up over nothing.
dentalplanz, in 1991 the scientific community at large did not believe that AIDS only affected gay people. Heck, I was in grade school then and even I knew better than that.
well maybe not the 90's but when AIDS was first documented in 1981 it was in 5 gay men from LA.
There is a reason why canadian blood services doesn't accept blood from them. There is an increased risk of disease (HIV/AIDS) from gay people. So calling gays disease-spreading is valid, that was my main point in that comment.
Oh fer petes sake, the risk is from having unprotected sex with someone who is infected. There is absolutely no excuse for calling an entire group of people, including those who are in monogamous (and disease free) relationships "disease-spreading".
Canadian Blood Services is getting a lot of flack for their discriminatory practices. If a woman who's had sex with a bisexual man can donate after 12 months have passed, why is the man she had sex with banned for life?
Clearly you have no concept of epidemiology... gays are no more a vector of STD's than any other group. If anything it would be more appropriate to call this a disease of those neglected by society such as those will low levels of education, poor access to health care...! Oh and don't forget the plethora of diseases (besides HIV) that are readily transmitted among heterosexuals such as syphilis, gonorrhoeae, chlamydia, herpes. We need to be wary of attaching labels to entire groups!
surprise that the rest of Canada thinks of us as a bunch of ignorant hillbillys? The only "disease" I can see it that of hatred; and it makes me want to vomit! It always shocks me when I hear these types of comments and I've absolutely had enough of it! It's time to stand up to these people and let them know once and for all that these attitudes are completely and unequivocally unacceptable and unappreciated. Shame on us all for, on a day to day basis, letting these kinds comments slip by!
The man has apologized and it was a long time ago. The liberals lionized Pierre Trudeau at their convention. I would suggest reading "Young Trudeau: Son of Quebec, Father of Canada, 1919-1944" which shows that he wrote fascist essays,denounced the declaration of war on Germany and even put on an anti-semetic play, which was successful. Trudeau even had a nazi helmet that he wore while biking around montreal during the war. I think that is worse than saying faggot and apologizing for it.
Ya it was an act of pure desperation no doubt. I'm still glad that they brought the video out as I find it pretty amusing. Its funny to see guys that act so professional on a day to day basis drink on the job and make offensive remarks.
I knew all these people very well, AND I am and always have been a well known and outspoken supporter of gay and lesbian rights. But good try folks.
This is just a vicious attack by a disgruntled conservative handing over a tape to the NDP.
I hope the favor is returned to you whoever you are. Way to go! You have just brought a whole bunch of people, and innocent children into a very nasty thing.
Are you serious? The schools teaches kids to accept homosexuals and even encourages kids to "come out" and be a homosexual. They even showed my class how to have sex with the same gender...
You're getting it wrong. The same way you as a straight person wouldn't want to be gay, they're not trying to get any other straight people to become homosexuals. They're trying to make it easier for homosexual teens to be accepted by their peers.
It is common sense that male and female is the only way to have sexual intercourse. The other ways are not even considered sex, it's just a pathetic lifestyle that insecure people choose to live.
You really think anyone would choose to be gay with the amount of hate there is towards us?
I didn't choose. It just so happened i like girls. I don't care if it isn't sex for you. I feel attracted to girls, both emotionally and physically. And if you knew me you'd know i'm NOT insecure. =P
And for your info i was replyign to the comment above me, i wasnt telling you all to get common sense.
Well, there are still a lot of people in society that still think this way. But, it is good to see that they were quickly replied to and the fact that for most canadians today this is not something that should be said. He does represnt a segment of our population so if the voters where he is at want to vote him in again that is up to him. He's damb right he should be sorry. I bet more MPs smoke pot than think like Mr. Lukiwski. I'm ok with them being there but i'm sure many are not.
what a bunch of hicks.
sillykids22 11 months ago
What a bunch of tools
somewhatlongdong 1 year ago
Well, "brojulien", how does having free speech somehow make discrimination acceptable? He's still a bad person for saying what he said and the right to free speech doesn't change that at all. haha its fucking imbred hicks like him that give conservatives a bad name. Ignorant rednecks.
jc6666qq99 2 years ago
Oh the hate speeth! The hate speeth! (sobs uncontrollably) Oh the humanity!! Boohoohoo. Get over it morons.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
Canada, where the rights of some are trampled underfoot while the rights of others are defended with outrage and vehemence. Liberals cannot accept the views and convictions of conservatives, they consider them archaic, simple and cruel. Yet we are to treat them and their rights with the utmost respect or pay the price. I'm sure the poor bastard who said the same words spoken in every blue colar work place in the nation on a daily basis will be sued. This is our Canada to dammit.
VvredknightvV 3 years ago
Stupid liberals, learn to proper human being.
L0NGP0K3 3 years ago 3
When Tom Lukiwski spoke out and let his feelings be known, he was condemned by the press, and by the gay community. Right or wrong, that`s how he felt at the time. The gay community and the press on the other hand suddenly have a God-given right to play the video that was A: Stolen by the NDP, B: Never intended to be shown in public, and C: Is at least 16 years old. HE HAD, AND STILL HAS A RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH!! Does "mymoosejaw" and other gays understand English?? I think not!
brojulien 3 years ago
Right to free speech shouldn't include right to verbal violence. It cannot trample the genuine rights of other people. Just like the right to drive vehicles shouldn't include trampling people underneath.
Politicians are especially required to be sensitive to the rights of people.
masculinity2007 2 years ago
You stupid pop culture emo bitch lesbo. You are the cancer that's killing youtube. GTFO. Also ekopgal, stfu nigger.
Fuck homosexuality and anyone who encourages it. What's next? Bestiality? Incest? Polygamy? It's all the same morons, get it through your head.
ph4tb33f 3 years ago
"nly reason it's so popular to turn gay today"
"Of course you can't turn gay. "
You contradict yourself! :D
I dont even need to argue with you to win, you did the job for me, twice!
videlsd 3 years ago
and "Go Conservatives." Isn't any pride? :P
videlsd 3 years ago 3
Lol What you say makes no sense at ALL!
You can't turn someone gay, unfortunately . ;]
videlsd 3 years ago
Hey, hypocrit.
The same way i'm with my "gay pride crap" , you have your "conservative pride crap". :) You're doing the same thing I am!
Except I at least make sense :P
Booya!
videlsd 3 years ago
If saying fail is all you can use as an argument i shouldnt even bother arguing with someone as dumb as you.
videlsd 3 years ago
:) No sir, i have two jobs, i play the violin / piano, i speak 3 languages, i am in IB, and i live a happy healthy life. And guess what. I'm gay :D
If anything, you fail. :P
videlsd 3 years ago
1. Belonging to an urban tribe and being attracted to someone are two different things. Did you choose to be attracted to the opposite gender? Neither did I choose to be attracted to the same one.
2 Must gays you've seen? How many did you really know? How many did you talk to? And how can you be sure they were "doing it" for attention, whatever it is they were doing? And if by attention you mean hatred / alienation from other groups, then yes that's probably what they got.
videlsd 3 years ago
...?
videlsd 3 years ago
OH WHO CARES!!!? Oh the Hate, the HATE! (whimpers) I can't believe such HATEFUL INTOLERANT BIGOTS are running Canada. Oooh this has irreparably damaged my self-esteem.
(sobs)
Shut up you girlish pussies!
JohananRaatz 3 years ago
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Weather its Christianity, Islam, Judaism or any other religion, homosexuality is not authorized in any relgion.
There is not a single religion that says its okay to be gay or lesbian, therefore all homosexuals can go to hell.
crew101soldia 3 years ago
There is no reason for Tom Lukiwski to resign or get fired, he was just expressing his thoughts and beliefs, he did not do anything illegal, and besides in some parts of the world such as the Middle East gay people get executed.
crew101soldia 3 years ago
I guess "Hate Laws" don't apply to Conservative politicians. They only apply to the sub-human general public.
hiwaymanx 3 years ago
Gardneross, I agree with you.
I think it's safe to say that if homophobia is present in the general public, then it is surely present at a higher level. I also think the issue would be getting more attention had his comments been about jews, blacks, or even women, which I think is sad and speaks volumes. It'll be interesting to see what happens, as Stephen Harper has kicked others out of his caucus for saying and doing less scandalous things than Lukiwski did.
mathesoncircle 3 years ago
are you serious?! the things he said are no better than racial slurrs! if he's said these things once hes liable to say them again. i live in regina beach and personally i think he should be fired. i dont want someone who treats others like that to represent my town.
CKS00097 3 years ago
There is no reason for Tom Lukiwski to resign or get fired, he was just expressing his thoughts and beliefs, he did not do anything illegal, and besides in some parts of the world such as the Middle East gay people get executed.
crew101soldia 3 years ago
Sure...And in some of those parts of the world Christian white males are executed too. So that would be alright by you crew101soldia?
GwenniePie 3 years ago
Im not the one who makes those, decisions, besides you are getting off topic, what has that got to do with homophobia.
crew101soldia 3 years ago
Tom Lukiwski's comments are absolutely disgusting! It is sad that society feels this is acceptable behaviour coming from an adult just because it happen 16 years ago. I wonder what group he is bullying today??? And would we find his new targeted bullying acceptable.
langley1964 3 years ago 5
he apologized. He seems humilated. Liberals and NDP are calling on him to get fired for old comments. Did they do the same for all of the anti gay comments from Liberal and NDP politicans in the middle to late 1990's? Those guys never even apologized. Scotty, Douglas wasnt a bad guy, he apologized for supporting sterilizing natives and the disabled. He changed his views. Why is that change acceptable, you are defending the honour of Douglas but want to throw a conservative under the bus, biased?
jjmcoates 3 years ago 3
I mostly agree with you, as someone who was deeply offended by these comments, I found his apology genuine and actually quite moving. I would add though that I find the context, a bunch of higher ups in the conservative party, making these comments a little unnerving. With recent actions in the federal conservative party (attampting to role back gay marriage), it's hard to not feel a little threatened and feel that homophobia is still present at an institutional level.
gardneross 3 years ago
Tommy Douglas is different from Lukiwski, go to thescottross(dot)blogspot(dot)com or google: thescottross
scottyross00 3 years ago
I am sick and tired of hearing the same ignorant, racist and prejudiced comments day in and day out. These remarks, coming from prominent Saskatchewan residents are an outrage and an embarrassment. With people referring to Jews as a "Disease" -- David Ahenakew, and Gays as "Homosexual f--gots with dirt under their fingernails that transmit diseases" - Tom Lukiwski, not to mention the racism that our Aboriginal, Muslim, Chinese and every other group encounter on a daily basis; is it any
gardneross 3 years ago
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uhhh, this was 16 years ago, the guy was drunk too.
The main point is that it was 16 years ago. Gaybashing was pretty common then, especially when the scientific community beleived that AIDS only affected gay people. The idea that gays still are contagious and can transmit diseases is shown by the Blood banks not accepting blood from homosexuals.
His comment wasn't that bad, you're getting worked up over nothing.
dentalplanz 3 years ago
dentalplanz, in 1991 the scientific community at large did not believe that AIDS only affected gay people. Heck, I was in grade school then and even I knew better than that.
Myllicent 3 years ago
well maybe not the 90's but when AIDS was first documented in 1981 it was in 5 gay men from LA.
There is a reason why canadian blood services doesn't accept blood from them. There is an increased risk of disease (HIV/AIDS) from gay people. So calling gays disease-spreading is valid, that was my main point in that comment.
dentalplanz 3 years ago
Oh fer petes sake, the risk is from having unprotected sex with someone who is infected. There is absolutely no excuse for calling an entire group of people, including those who are in monogamous (and disease free) relationships "disease-spreading".
Canadian Blood Services is getting a lot of flack for their discriminatory practices. If a woman who's had sex with a bisexual man can donate after 12 months have passed, why is the man she had sex with banned for life?
Myllicent 3 years ago
Sorry that last comment was meant for dentalplanz!
gardneross 3 years ago
Clearly you have no concept of epidemiology... gays are no more a vector of STD's than any other group. If anything it would be more appropriate to call this a disease of those neglected by society such as those will low levels of education, poor access to health care...! Oh and don't forget the plethora of diseases (besides HIV) that are readily transmitted among heterosexuals such as syphilis, gonorrhoeae, chlamydia, herpes. We need to be wary of attaching labels to entire groups!
gardneross 3 years ago
Please see my comment to you under the Myllicent comment directly under yours, I accidently posted there.
gardneross 3 years ago
surprise that the rest of Canada thinks of us as a bunch of ignorant hillbillys? The only "disease" I can see it that of hatred; and it makes me want to vomit! It always shocks me when I hear these types of comments and I've absolutely had enough of it! It's time to stand up to these people and let them know once and for all that these attitudes are completely and unequivocally unacceptable and unappreciated. Shame on us all for, on a day to day basis, letting these kinds comments slip by!
gardneross 3 years ago 3
Well said Chris Crocker.
DropZone33 3 years ago 3
The man has apologized and it was a long time ago. The liberals lionized Pierre Trudeau at their convention. I would suggest reading "Young Trudeau: Son of Quebec, Father of Canada, 1919-1944" which shows that he wrote fascist essays,denounced the declaration of war on Germany and even put on an anti-semetic play, which was successful. Trudeau even had a nazi helmet that he wore while biking around montreal during the war. I think that is worse than saying faggot and apologizing for it.
johnjfaux 3 years ago
Lukiwski looks like a sleazy 70's porn star with that mustache and gold chain.
breakerexpress 3 years ago 7
Ya I totally agree lol!
ClaytonBigsby33 3 years ago 2
You know the NDP is hurting so bad that they have to go back 16 years to find a scandal. Give it a rest.
cyclic1977 3 years ago 3
Ya it was an act of pure desperation no doubt. I'm still glad that they brought the video out as I find it pretty amusing. Its funny to see guys that act so professional on a day to day basis drink on the job and make offensive remarks.
ClaytonBigsby33 3 years ago 2
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Lukiwski=fascist
flatbily 3 years ago
I knew all these people very well, AND I am and always have been a well known and outspoken supporter of gay and lesbian rights. But good try folks.
This is just a vicious attack by a disgruntled conservative handing over a tape to the NDP.
I hope the favor is returned to you whoever you are. Way to go! You have just brought a whole bunch of people, and innocent children into a very nasty thing.
Cowards like you sicken me.
hrsupporter 3 years ago
Are you serious? The schools teaches kids to accept homosexuals and even encourages kids to "come out" and be a homosexual. They even showed my class how to have sex with the same gender...
L0NGP0K3 3 years ago
You're getting it wrong. The same way you as a straight person wouldn't want to be gay, they're not trying to get any other straight people to become homosexuals. They're trying to make it easier for homosexual teens to be accepted by their peers.
Get some common sense.
videlsd 3 years ago
GET COMMON SENSE!?
It is common sense that male and female is the only way to have sexual intercourse. The other ways are not even considered sex, it's just a pathetic lifestyle that insecure people choose to live.
bunnme 3 years ago
bunnme: Insecure people?
Choose?
You really think anyone would choose to be gay with the amount of hate there is towards us?
I didn't choose. It just so happened i like girls. I don't care if it isn't sex for you. I feel attracted to girls, both emotionally and physically. And if you knew me you'd know i'm NOT insecure. =P
And for your info i was replyign to the comment above me, i wasnt telling you all to get common sense.
videlsd 3 years ago 2
sounded like he said, "the bees are homosexual faggots that transmit diseases"
WolfSyndrome 3 years ago
who cares what he said, gays can take a dick up the ass, but that cant take some bad words????
LaCokaNostra81 3 years ago 2
I'd rather take the bad words because I tried the other and gosh it HURTS! LOLOLOL!
TwistedSis2 3 years ago 2
OH HAI REDNECK
tomatolady 3 years ago
The NDPs are just mad because they got absolutely owned in the election.
Everyone says stupid things. Forgive and forget.
fudgepackerbob 3 years ago 2
this from "fudgepackerbob"? It's hard to take anything you say seriously, so I won't
guy2759 3 years ago
I only stated the facts guy.
fudgepackerbob 3 years ago 2
Well, there are still a lot of people in society that still think this way. But, it is good to see that they were quickly replied to and the fact that for most canadians today this is not something that should be said. He does represnt a segment of our population so if the voters where he is at want to vote him in again that is up to him. He's damb right he should be sorry. I bet more MPs smoke pot than think like Mr. Lukiwski. I'm ok with them being there but i'm sure many are not.
skeetmtl 3 years ago 2
Big wow.
Tommy Douglas told us all that homosexuality was a mental disease in 1968.
Times change.
TheUberGopher 3 years ago
Take a val. Times change, people change. I'm sure everyone said some things sixteen years ago while drinking, that they regret today.
joengracie 3 years ago
Vile stuff. It's too vile to be written off. I know plenty of people who would never have such words come out of their mouths, in 1991 or any time.
billk700 3 years ago
u must be queer
thesunder 3 years ago
Vile stuff. It's too vile to be written off. I know plenty of people who would never have such words come out of their mouths, in 1991 or any time.
billk700 3 years ago
u must be queer
thesunder 3 years ago
It was 16 years ago.
gladcomputer 3 years ago
What is this? Lot of time to loose those dirty medias!
jcsaggitaire 3 years ago
STEP DOWN STEP DOWN STEP DOWN, this is NOT his white CHRISTIAN land, WE ARE CANADIANS NOT CHRISTIANS who on sunday sometimes like to molest KIDS
smartdavid99 3 years ago
nice gay mustache Tom
chaff2 3 years ago 4
An prized elected member of the New Tory government in old Tory clothes.
Can you see the difference?
bassmickeyd 3 years ago
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16 years ago, give it a rest who cares
cplbrookes 3 years ago
OMG, someone made an offensive comment seventeen years ago! What an asshole!
Salvatore4442211 3 years ago
lol... yea. i'd luv to watch those dumb republican (USA) bastards watch dis shitt. :)
collegeguy2009 3 years ago
Nothing to see here folks, just business as usual for our Conservative government.
akingedwardsummer 3 years ago