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  • mga gago kayo

  • white race= lacks conscience, pathological superiority complex, possessed by demon, no soul, no culture, murderers, spawns of satan, culture destroyer, dis-respective lot, bigots, traitors,...they should all die!!! asians should focus in asia, since asia is now rising, not in the west which is swarming with racist killers. we should re establish our relations whith other asian countries

  • the movie is somewhat like to Pncho Villa's

  • we got raped for 5 years of war and they were not content they ass raped our muslim brothers until now..countless lives have lost, this is almost forgotten history of philippines

  • This was a vicious and horrible war,I read that soldiers would get there genital cut off and put in their mouths,And some other war atrocities were to bury a man alive were only his head was exposed and they would place sugar on his head so that the ants could eat him alive. War is hell.

  • americans were friends at first but latter on,,,they became ENEMY....Thanks to the leakage of Benevolent Assimilation....!!!!!!!!!!....­.

  • woo its to new to see the past past year!! heh

  • i cant believe that my birthday is the american philippine war

  • wow bad actors

  • imba

  • This is an interesting collection of videos related to the Philippine-American War...I agree that these were all war propaganda...funny how the dead Filipino soldiers in 6:42 suddenly woke up to avoid being hoofed by the cavalryman...and how Funston at 7:42 managed to swim and even pull a group of soldiers on logs under heavy fire...

  • Americans are willing to kill as many Filipino as they could.

  • @rscwful That is so true. I thought that the Americans were all nice when they colonized the Philippines but thanks to my history classes I believe I have been brainwashed. The Americans came and made the Filipinos believe that they're finally free from the Spanish, only to be invaded by the Americans. They made themselves look good and friendly towards the Filipinos when in fact back in America they're telling everyone how barbaric and uncivilized Filipinos, which is not true.

  • Man I inform you to look up the photos of Philippines during under Spain rule it was very CLEAN and CIVILIZED. Just imagine if Spain was still ruling it instead the US. Philippines would have be definitely the cleanest and most developed South East Asian nation next to Singapore which was also helped a lot by another civilized colonizers UK.

    USA = A BIG SHIT

  • In 3:45 how come the camera is still rolling while the filipino soldiers were firing at it and the cameraman?

  • @logerbad19 This could be a Movie and not the real battle.

  • how did you know? LOL

  • This is a Missing History of the Philippines...... naririnig ba ninyo ang Kapampangan Empire o Luzon Empire the Kapampangan History bakit ito kinalimutan

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    youtube. com/watch ?v=9SYrroG2xRI......

  • @katipunan26 ...yikes katipunan you're confusing dewey with general jacob smith -- smith is the one who ordered his army to kill fililpinos as young as 10 years old. smith was court martialed.

  • Propaganda My ass....

  • how can i download this thing?

  • Being the first Asian nation to break away from western powers, alone and standing out, Philippines was very vulnerable in the sea of imperialism. Yes America did torture and genocides here, but they are the best among the other imperialists. although they often contradict it, USA has a nice ideology compared to other imperialist.

  • Come on guys, stop hating eachother. Americans and Filipinos/Filipinas should make love with eachother, not war. haha I love Filipinas. There's nothing wrong with them and this war was how long ago? Before World War's 1 and 2, right? haha Come on now, guys. It's all water under the bridge now. Besides, one day I would like to vist The Philippines.

  • @rbatheNORSEMAN nicest comment i've ever read here..hope you'll get to see our country soon and WELCOME in advance...XD

  • @liquidchicken23 haha Love dem Asians, ya know? Filipinas are the best. And thanks.

  • @liquidchicken23 NORSEMAN IS A PERVERT

  • lol....this video is a sort of bullshit stuff from american...do u think u can fool us with this stuff...hahaha...i'm proud to be filipino...

  • nice... mighty Americans fighting weak philippinos, were they terrorists???

    and then you guys ask why the world hates you

  • @dyaakov lol what an idiot its called imperialism

  • america made this country better after this war

  • correct

  • American propaganda

  • This video is fake, ginawang mga duwag ang mga filipino dito, imposibleng hindi napatay yung colonel na lumangoy sa ilog at nagawa pa niyang hilhin yung balsa na sinakyan ng mga amerikanong ulol na parang shooting targets lang, nagawa pa raw nilang patakbuhin ang mga pilipino na nakaplastar na bumabaril sa kanila?

  • i hate Jose P. Laurel A Puppet From Japan

  • @klason123 hnd totoo yan. ginawa nya lng un pra hnd maging grabe ang gawin ng mga hapon sa atin...

  • potah!! halatadong peke!!! tama yung ibang nag post ng comment mga african american nga! pansinin nyo ang mga hitsura nila mga negro at ang mga balakang at pwet malalaki.. at sing tangkad ng kano..me pinoy bang ganyan ang built? (6:00)tsaka isa pa yung caloocan battlefield.. parang wala naman ata akong napapansin na burol dun??... sablay talaga tong mga kano na to!

  • @kamukamuko thats a propaganda bro..yeah ur right.... ginamit to para majustify ang digmaang to...

  • There are many first hand accounts of jap , nazi and other ATROCITIES. Some of you need to talk to your grand fathers and great grand fathers. The gentlman who cuts my hair is Philipino he is 73 yrs. old. He told me of thing he saw during the jap occupation of his island. His children and grandchildren never ask him anything. I was the first one to ask him. The history needs to be kept alive

  • @katipunan26

    You need to go back to school and learn history fucktard. 1st it was the spanish that was going around killing unarmed pinoys. It was the Spanish that fired the 1st shot at the US when they blew up one of their navel ships near what is now Manila Bay. I had relatives in Luzon living that was there. They wanted the Spanish out for what they was doing to the filipino people.

  • This war really happened and many Filipinos died. U.S. is good at faking being nice, and they always rob. chaloner, how on earth can you say the Philippines is the most corrupt nation in Asia? That is a serious insult to those really corrupt and hopeless countries in central and west Asia. They have no freedom whatsoever, they cannot protest in the streets, and they cannot even walk down the street so freely. They simply have no options and no choices. China is even more corrupt than the Phils.

  • @delayedricochet american have our golds but we already takin back already dats da reasonw why one factor why american is on recession coz der reserve system is bankrupt major of ther banks are bankrupt

  • pilipinos his an heroes

  • tagalog nman kayo diyan ehehhe tang ina ng mga amerkano pati tayo dinamay ginawang panangga

  • @amcytonio1

    I like your comment.....pero just think of it, we can understand and speak English language but do Americans can speak our language? pagnag-usap-usap na tayo in our very own language which is the Filipino infront of them, maintindihan kaya nila? iyan ang napakalaking lamang natin sa kanila.....kaso wala naman kayang sumigaw na "Speak English"!!! :P:D

  • The Edison movies were shot in New Jersey and the Aguinaldistas were Black Afro-Americans

  • Just imagine if Philippines was the 51st state of the United States today. Philippines would be the richest place to live of all of Asia right now. But today its the most currupt nation in Asia. PATHETIC!

  • like Puerto Rico?

  • @chaloner

    What country isn't corrupt? I'd rather be broke and make my own decisions that be somebody's bitch.

  • @chaloner .<<< you're right!..yes, it is an independent country??????!!!!!!!! from whom!!! not ours, better off when U.S. has the territory or the bases there..not too many Pinoys going out of country just to live!..I wish too was part of U.S.!!!

  • @chaloner

    Puerto Rico is one of the state of US and it's poor as sh*t. Seems like they only care about it's own 'mainland' US and not about the overseas colonies.

  • @xxxxxUndisputedxxxxx

    Your such a fucking idiot. Puerto Rico is NOT a state. It is it's own country. But it is a territory. Learn your geography moron.

  • @chaloner

    What you said was just retarded.

  • ebitay si gloria!!

  • How come this guy didn't get shot or captured during the battle?

  • i hate americans all glory philippines

  • You heard right.prop-o-ganda.Fake.not real.just to show Filipinos as weak,retreating cowards while in reality,I wanst there,but they probs fared much better.

  • what you said is one of the reasons I extremely hate white men

  • so sad T_T

  • If the U.S hadn't recolonize us then Japan possibly would not have touched us at all. Japan lent money to our fledgling republic during this war and then under a military junta they invaded us to secure a foothold in South East Asia.

    Our history as an independent entity is really fubar'd so far.

  • @PhilipineMan Are you really that stupid? You need to go and get an education on your own history that is if you are really filipino. Judging from your post that seems like a stupid comment a European would make. The Japs slaughtered thousands of Pinoys including my Moms Aunts and elder sister.

  • we wouldnt be the most corrupt country asia has!!

    im a proudfilipino but im not a proud citezen of this corrupt country!!

  • spaniards are the ones who taught the filipino people to be corrupt!! the officals of spain here in the philipines are corrupt!! and when the filipinos were finally free from the spaniards little by little the filipino beacame corrupt !! it happend because of democracy being practiced in the wrong way filipino are abusing the power of democracy turning it to the most ugliest way of governance!!

    maybe if filipinos had only adopted the way of governance taht japan has

  • we would be lucky the americans occupied us. it would be nastier if we would be speaking German, Japanese worse Chinese. i couldn't imagine us becoming a province of either of these superpowers at the age. nevermind China, Japan would be better.. forget about nazi germany either...

  • Everytime I look video like this..its getting me sad

  • Unbelievable footage. I just can't imagine how close quarter fighting is - war is war it is ugly. The end result was the he Americanization of Filipinos and the friendship which developed later on till the present.

  • MY GOD. Cant you tell propaganda films from the real stuff.

  • well we're allies now and thats all that counts :)

  • hey look what we r looking for is revenge

  • exactly

  • @Smics1000  forget ur face ur people killed my ggrandpa... General Eustaquio Baclig... so u yeah easy for u to say huh?? idiot..

  • Has the US ever apolgized to the Philippines for massacaring 200,000 children & women???

  • yes... by saving them from the Japs in WWII we more than made up for it

  • What the fuck does WW2 and Japan have to do with the Philippine-American war you yank? And US colonized the Philippines after that brutal by american soldiers

  • ang pagkakaalam ko d tayo sinave ng americans s japan sila ang target ng hapon s ating bansa kc nang mga panahong yun di n sinuplayan ng langis ang bansang japan dahil may kinkharap silang gera s europe at yun ang dhilan kng bakit ngkaron ng digmaan s ating bansa dhil mas malapit ito s japan kesa s bansa nla kaya tayo ang target dhil nandito ang ibang kano

  • kng iisipin tayo p nga ang tumulong s knila laban s japan s sarili nating lupain

  • @filipino1nDaUS LOL thats is not true my ggranpha is a american soldier who battled amongs the filipino's. he later married a lady from cebu which is my ggrandma. so that is not true. 1 more thing these videos are Fake and Epic. PERIOD!

  • @swordfishjon you mean the ships are not real ????? ha ha the battle scenes where almost all fake bake then even in the first WW they did a lot of that

  • @hopatease1 its a movie only made for propaganda to call of more american soldier for attention to fight ;P

  • @swordfishjon your sure that this video is fake?? just a movie?

  • thick american cunts started a war what dint need to be started

  • the best of this is that the last of the ph is the mindanao area....

    for 333 years the mindanao has not been taken by the spanish nor american by means of WAR.

  • Filipinos LOVE America this war was unneccessary USA gave independence later anyway

  • killing million of innocent filipinos and then wondering why they are hated so much

    geez !!!

    now i'm starting to believe that americans really are dumb

  • Dude. I live in the Philippines. Filipinos LOVE Americans like crazy. Grow up, you moron. Or at least get your facts straight before you go spouting off hate. Geez...

  • No, actually the reason is that you should just SHUT UP

    Filipinos and Americans are strong allies now, just leave it at that and forget the friggin past.

  • Forgetting the past would be even more stupid than ever.

  • You know.. I REALLY, REALLY hate the fact that Filipinos like americans. Most of them are dumbass fucks and perverts who go on the internet all the time.

  • @starfalco13 Scumbags like you are why stupid whores like your mother should not be allowed to breed.

  • actually they have a good plan for the Philippines.... if it wasnt for andres bonifacio and emilio aguinaldo, theyre will be no poverty in the Philippines now...

  • it was general otis not dewey

  • So many stupid comments!

  • ano ba no americans and filipinos fighting no ones wronng ok so lets have peace in wwII americans helped the filipinos in fighting for freedom

  • hindi ba mali ang barilin ang kababyan natin ng isang bobong kano na ang dahilan ay pag tapak lamang sa lugar na kontralado ng americano.

    read history at tol nauna pa ang gyera ng american phillipine war bago pa man maganap ang WW2..

  • yh FILIPINO's like me look half asian half mexican....

    no american exect my accent..

  • all i can say las filipinas was better with spain than on usa hands, usa also dumped garbage made the biggest basureros, at least when spain was there it was clean say what you say is true usa don't even helped filipinas with the natural dissasters, there was bad spanish and good too, some had kids withn filipinas and loved their kids like me my wife is filipina and i'm spanish/latino i love my girl and i love las filipinas and its people i see them as my brother like it or not you hav our blood

  • you think if guys where there would you shoot the camara men on the usa side if you were spanish this guy are full of shit

  • Geeez!

    Wut should we do?

    We should be American....instead they let us go.... 'cause someday our population might overtaken those whites...

    and a PINOY might become a PRESIDENT in Washington...

    just wut happen now!.....OBAMA!

  • dude no is gonna vote for a flip president ... too corrupt man... haha

  • I like how this is a fucking internet site to watch vids, and Yanks and Pinoys are fighting over who has the better "Country".

  • The Filipino history began here in the U.S. in 1764. Thier desendants fought in the War of 1812 (Battle of New Orleans) and the American Civil War with a Filipino/American Club established in 1860, so thier heritage here was earned by blood. The Filipino ethic group is the largest in American Medical field, if you die in the hospital the last face you may see is a Filipino. They have risen from field and servitude jobs to the top levels in Business, Science, and government. Proud to be Pinoy

  • Sad times for Filipinas when she was mercyless taken away from her mother SPAIN

  • Spain?? They brought the Catholic church that preyed on the people who were already poor. They built beuatiful churches, established a taliban type government and killed hundreds of thousands through disease, war, and inquisition type conversion (torture). They stole for 333 years, shipping Filipino gold, gems, and people world wide. They created classes of people where Spanish and Metizo's were superior to the Native people. Don't be fooled by the re-emergence of Spanish heritage.

  • What a crap of lies! Spain brought the same prosperity to the colonies than to the metropoli. The first railway of Spain was built in Cuba. Isabel II brought public schools to Filipinas in the mid XIX century. Americans call to "kill 1 of 7!!" brought the death to millions of filipinos at the beggining of the XX century

  • Tu no habla Engles??? The catholic church had no public schools..can you say TALIBAN type government.

  • i agree

  • Basically colonization is bad, eiither Spanish American or Japanese is bad... but always choose the lesser of two evils.

  • Well basically... Lets look all the way back to the Meiji Period of Japan. America threatens Japan with military intervention if they do not open up to trade. Japan accepts, its heirachy impressed by Western Military Technology twists the agreement and imports western weapons and reforms its military with the latest Western Military Doctrines.

  • Afterwards, it uses its new military to crush rebellions made by conservative Japs (Shoguns and Samurai). It then builds up its economy to challenge that of Western Powers. Japan then looks at expanding into other Asian territories (etc: Korea, China, Taiwan). By 1939, they have conquered Manchuria and Taiwan.

  • During the Spanish - American War. The U.S uses the Maine Incident to expand her territories into the Caribbean. Revolution sparks in the Philippines in seeks the help of the U.S. The U.S is victorious but betrays the agreement made with the our country for us to be independent. The Philippine - American War starts. The U.S uses propaganda saying that we are heathen savages who murder Christian Missionaries. (Although we were predominantly Catholic).

  • The U.S wins and the Philippines falls into 40 years of Tyranny. Japan invades in 1941 and our country falls to the hands of the Japs. U.S retakes Philippines in 1944, after the war. The People and Government demanded Independence and self-government, the notion of the U.S 'Giving' us independence is a farce.

  • U.S tepidly accepts. Thus, our country becomes fully independent. Now, the Philippines at present is one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

    I also agree that the history of the Philippines is a tragedy.

  • Yup, selling your women is working pretty well.

  • Yup, your country paying of its gigantic financial debt, trillions of which to Communist China...

  • Better than fucking a 90 year old man daily.

  • Yeap, keep bitching, its a good way to earn some money in your city's slums you ignorant American kid.

  • Actually, my grandpa is married to a 26 year old women. He is 87. Picture that. Also, yes, she is from the Philippines. He BOUGHT her.

  • My grandfather is 88 years old. He has american girlfriends and one is as young as 25 years old. Hes says theres so much free sluts around for the taking. No need to pay. Thats why he comes too often here in America.

  • I also know people that go there and feed kids M&M's while he fucked them.. lol

  • sad to say but yes, pedophile westerners do prey on unsuspecting children there. too many pedophiles around here in the US that it is usual to read about people fucking their own daughters or granddaughters. some prabably by consent. sick nation.

  • so ur grandfatehr is married 2 filipino girl?

  • johney boy. read again. read slow so that you might understand.

  • During the depression 1929-1941 the American people suffered like never before. My Uncle and many old Filipinos tell of the Okie (migrant workers) women who would trade sex for a cigarette from some handsome young Filipino. So my friend when times are tough you do what you have to in order to survive, no matter what race you are. You probaly wish you had someone to fuck daily, oh, sorry you sound like a pillow biting, ball licking, queen known as a benny boy in the P.I. Do you get paid???

  • been reading the exchanges in this thread.. if it's okay to share my 1-cent worth of idea...

    one thing i believe that we all should do is to learn from all these past histories of war - how did it start, what happened, what was the outcome, and so on and so forth. one thing is certain though... if we do not learn from these past histories, our lives now, will again be intertwined (whether we'll like it or not) and be again tragically be in the same turmoil. we just have to learn from the past.

  • I was re-reading some of my e- mail and post when michaelandro23 post caught my eye. Gen. Lawton also failed to mention that the Filipino people are also kind, generous, passionate, hardworking and endureing family values. These are all the reasons they have succeeded here in the U.S. If we (me) were told the truth about this war, Viet Nam would have never happened. When I returned from Army training in 1965 my uncle told me "we cannot win over there". "The people have to let you win".

  • Yes these films were shot after the actual events.

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  • I wonder if they shot the film in the Philippines. Just to show them Americans in the U.S. how heroic they were back then. The film was probably made after the war.

  • warnation101 is right. All of the battle scenes here are fake.

  • We Americans need to apologize for this barbarity.

    To all the people of the Philippines, I am ashamed of what my country has done to you! Please accept our apology.

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  • nah we're allies now you liberated us from the japanese

  • Thanks! Even though our governments (both the US and the Philippine) keep screwing up, hopefully the people of he US and the Philippines can remain on good terms.

  • lol first of all... without the american colonization of philipines, the filipinos wouldn't have entered the WW2.

  • the phil never had the chance to make the economy good 300 years under the spaniards decades under the us 3 years of japanese occupation then after the war us leaves us to fend for ourselves

  • Your assumption that the Philippines wouldn't have entered WWll is wrong. The Philippines was part of their plan for the east asian co-operate zone. The Filipino people were considered subhuman to the Japs and would have became slaves like the rest of conquered Asia. Go ask your grandfather how nice the Japs were. Go see the tens of thousands of graves they filled with Filipinos that knew this. Bayoneting babies in Manila for fun is the legacy Jap in the Philippines!!!!

  • from my point of view, if japan have the plot to invade south east asia, why they didn't invade Thailand as well? Most of the country that they invade was colonial country.

  • Thailand was not strategic for the Japanese. It was surrounded by coastal nations and had no oil. Thailand would have been occupied if they won in Burma and India. The P.I. controls the China Sea with the best port in asia, it will always be a target. Japan obtained all the goals it wanted after the war was over. Look at all the Japanese factories and businesses world wide. They could have obtained these goals peacefully instead they butchered millions.

  • my mother was around 10 and live inside nichols air base, then held by the japanese, together with my grandpa, grandma and three aunties. she learned to speak japanese and can talk with the soldiers and officers. she told me that there are korean conscript in the japanese army and these soldiers are really very very bad, especially those who are higher ranking. talk about bayoneting babies, my mother told me they sometimes do that.

  • We Americans did apologize. Do you think those Americans who rest in graves in your homeland wanted to be there? After the Battle of Manila bay, with the Spainish fleet sunk, a message was recieved from a German naval squadron telling Admiral Dewey if he didn't occupy Manila he would. Most Filipinos died during this war by being put in concentration camps and dying of disease. The bravery of the Filipino people againist overwhelming odds was displayed again in WW ll.

  • about the german navy, we were not told about this, is this in the book now?

  • After the end of WWl Japan was given the northern Marianas with Guam going to the U.S. German expansion in the Pacific prior to the Spainish/Philippine-American war was well known by the U.S. England, Spain, and Japan. Mainla Bay is always the objective of countries invading the P.I. It is sad that the 20th century was so cruel to the Filipino people. Can you imagine if the Germans would have occupied the P.I.? They were worst rascist than the Japanese or the European/American cowboys.

  • i couldn't agree more! i have a filipina fiancee and its sad to realize the devastation Americans caused to their people

  • The battle scenes aren't actual footages, but reenactments by the americans.

  • my great great great grandfather is emilio aguinaldo hahaha

  • It maybe famous "KIll everyone over ten"

  • im proud to be a FILIPINO may agimat ang dugo astigg

  • America is bad ass

  • you must be joking...

  • Que nadie piense que estos son escenas reales. Esto son películas en toda regla. O es que los filipinos eran tan cobardes e ineptos como muestran las imágenes? Si os fijais un poco.. os dareis cuenta del montaje.

  • llegar a pensar de él, que usted de todos modos a generalizar la idea de que los filipinos son cobardes? hemos luchado sus camaradas atrás aginst bolo mientras utiliza armas de fuego y que todavía no fueron capaces de silencio con nosotros para trescientos años.

  • I think you misunderstood me. What i said is that those films look like montage, just an american film to show how brave they were and how afraid of them filipinos were. I don´t think at all filipinos were coward. But you should know that Spain, in three and a half centuries never masacred filipinos.

  • i looked on wikipedia about the caliber 45 pistol, it was made because the american soldiers, when they shoot the filipinos, they dont fall down, they always press on with the attack

  • U.S. Gen. McArthur, on guerrilla warfare waged by the Filipinos vs. the Americans: "it is now the most important maxim of Filipino tactics to disband when closely pressed and seek safety in the nearest barrio; a maneuver quickly accomplished by reason of the assistance of the people and the ease with which the Filipino soldier is transformed into the appearance of a peaceful citizen. The success of this unique system of war depends upon almost complete unity of action of the entire population."

  • Wooooow! both BABOONS commented!

  • monkeys holdin and firing a gun..! LOL

  • U.S. Brigadier General Henry W. Lawton: "Taking into account the disadvantages they [Filipinos] have to fight against in arms, equipment and military discipline, without artillery, short of ammunition, powder inferior, shells reloaded until they are defective. . .they are the bravest men I have ever seen. . .These men are indomitable."

  • here in spain we barely know about the spanish-american war, and of course nothing about the filipino-american war. if we compared spain and the usa, the difference was big, therefore, comparing the filipinos to the americans was giant. the bravery of this filipino men had to be inmmense. they deserve that the history show them as heroes.

  • ive read in the books of our history .. why the war of phil-am started...,a.., american nebraska volunteer soldier saw a filipino soldier crossing the san juan bridge..,then the american soldier shout at the soldier.."halt!!"..,but the filipino didnt understand it...,the american soldier shot at the filipino soldier..and the war started..,

  • This is the U.S. version contained in Phil history books. Here is untold Phil version according to F. Buencamino: American patrol cross into Filipino lines in belligerent mode, Filipino guards opposed it and american soldiers fired. Phil. hist. com. point to new location as sociogo st., not san juan bridge. McKinley got U.S. senate to ratify treaty of Paris two days later and gave official blessing to train American guns at Filipino "allies". Plea to halt conflict was purposely ignored.

  • True, I have been reading a lot. In our own history books in schools are Americanized. Real History proves otherwise. In the first place americans were not supposed to keep manila. They did not even allow our troops to enter. And they did massive efforts to conquer. Their Congressmen lobbied for Philippine occupation. LOL! They did want to conquer.

  • U.S. Brigadier General Henry W. Lawton: "Taking into account the disadvantages they [Filipinos] have to fight against in arms, equipment and military discipline, without artillery, short of ammunition, powder inferior, shells reloaded until they are defective. . .they are the bravest men I have ever seen. . .These men are indomitable."

  • That's deep. Makes me proud I'm Filipino.

  • I loved what drifterZ00 commented below, now I don't have to comment on how ignorant some Americans are :) I apologize to Americans who actually know where the Philippines is (and don't only see it as another country where there are cheap prostitutes), you guys have to admit that some Americans are so ignorant ... the funny thing is that it doesn't stop them from making stupid comments that show their utter ignorance ...