Government Health care is basically a tax increase bill. The taxes start immediately when passed. The rationing health care bill don't start until 2013 or 2014. This bill is going to tax "Everybody" People married, not married, at every income level people are going to face added taxation long before whatever the benefits are. obamer is going to go out there at the big signing ceremony and he's gonna say, "Look at what we've done for you. Bye Bye Free Republic of America!
..they said its in the bag.....obama bribed everyone............with our money.....before or after christmas.........we are ruined........all we have is if bo's birth certificate is fake
Not in my book. She is a democrat through & through.. Obama administration kept having private meetings with her until she succumbed. one can only imagine how she was influenced to break her moral character to break America.
I say just abolish all of Congress next year. All of them fuckers need to go and need to be replaced with minor parties. Fuck these major parties. I'm sick of both of them.
That is not a bad idea. Oh just wait your gonna see what Government Health Care really means for America.. There are gonna be millions scratching their heads wondering why they can't afford anything once these taxes go in effect immediately after it passes. This will destroy everyone's wealth.. When the biggest share of our population is struggling to make ends meet in a few years they will wake up. The American Idol lovers sleeping.
Just wait till all this redistribution of wealth and the taxes that will start immediately upon all American citizens even before the rationing government health care begins 3 to 4 years from now.
Can average middle & lower class Americans honestly feel they will be able to continue affording car payments , cell phones, internet service & weekend dinner and movie outings after Uncle Sam dips his hand further into our pockets. When is enough?
..the Obama BILLS are all about "bribes & control & power"....its not about "whats in the BILL"...its about them being AGAINST IT = until Obama brought out the money feed-bag to con those Dims into allowing this Economy & National Destruction to BEGIN! = all as soon as possible and Obama? WANTS THAT TO HAPPEN NOW!....the reason is the longer this gets looked at and the more people see the evil consequences of these FREEDOM TAKING RUIN of a Obama Health Bill and its EVIL? they will demand it STOP
Social Security passed in 1935 to give some small assistance to the very old and widows with children who are in dire straits. But ever since 1935 Social Security's been amended and enlarged year after year, just like the health care bill will be. Social Security is something people really do or did keep their eyes on. In 1940, benefits paid totaled $35 million. Now, stick with me on this. cont...
Social Security & The Government Health Care Effect:
Payments rose to $961 million in 1950, ten years later. It was $11.2 billion in 1960 and $ 31.9 billion in 1970. All the way up to 2004: $492 billion worth of benefits were paid to 47.5 million beneficiaries. In 2009, nearly 51 million Americans will receive $650 billion in Social Security in a program that originally paid out $35 million. As recently as 1950 it paid out $11 billion.
Social Security & The Government Health Care Effect:
Today it's up to $650 billion since its interception. I don't care if you factor inflation in. This is simply out of control, unsustainable and this is exactly what will happen to health care.
..in the good old days; when my grandparents and my family ran out of money - we did FREE THINGS!...go on a walk or play Yahtzee! ...and ate some soup and sat and watched the sun on the garden flowers! We did not go over to the neighbors and ROB their piggy banks or change jar! And take it and go spend it on US? THAT WOULD BE WRONG! = and we were taught to be satisfied with LESS! - Now Obama is a grifter going over to the Neighbors and then spreading others money around and ITS STILL WRONG
..now we have another day - another day of Obama and his crackpot fraud science CZAR - John PEE Holder = LYING BY OMMISION!.....and that is all they know how to do!!....because if the American People could see further then the Block Of Obama CHEESE and a prison filled with evil Terrorists as a "jobs plan" ???........then they would see their savings and retirement spent on TAX TAX TAX and more Obama BILLS = TAX! Thats al our futures and there goes our money! ~ GONE into the Obama ~~drainHOLE~
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.......gosh darn ?? another Obama ~~~zzz drone ??? "oneofonex1" who spends all day like his mentor = Obummer ~~zzz LYING BY OMMISION!.........these crackpot drones of the collective hive of the ~~zzz king bee = ~~~obbuzzzma~~~~zzz are such dumb DIMS they cannot watch C-SPAN and the debates in Congress or FOX and figure out there were multiple REPUBLICAN BILLS & IDEAS = but ~~buzzmama would not listen to most of them and then the DIMS Stole some of the rest!........Republicans SPEAK THE TRUTH
Wow, this is a response for the scholars if I ever seen one. There is absolutely no substance in your comment. This is a typical far left response for when they have no argument.
Heres a typical far left response: I say PUBLIC OPTION NOW! no more status quo, no more preexisting conditions, no no more bankruptcies due to medical bills, and last but not least no health care for profit.
The republicans argue that government is going to get in the way of you and your doctor, well the insurance companies are doing a hell of a job right now. GOP plan = So what if you cant afford it, fuk you get a job. if you have a job get a better job. Still cant afford it, youre fuked.
A typical far left response. Pass the bill. What's actually inside the bill is irrelevant. It doesn't matter that if someone decides not to have insurance, they will be fined and jailed. Also it doesn't matter if someone else is responsible for my HC. I shouldn't have to work if I don't want.
You can't blame the Republicans for not passing the pubic option as it was actually an Independent Democrat that was the deciding factor. Remember who is in charge of Congress and the Senate.
Do you realize 40 percent of doctors do not accept medicare? If you have medicare ... it is ILLEGAL for a doctor that does not accept medicare to have you as a patient. MEDICARE LIMITS choice!! WAKE UP. Do you want DMV medical care? You might not go bankrupt...but the youth will spend 12 percent of their wages on healthcare for all...and there will be jail sentences for those that don't want Obama DEATHCARE.
name the amendment that says you get jail time? Your current health care vs a what if you make $100 and it cost you $12 of those dollars to get health care at anytime, anyplace for anything for your family and yourself u wouldnt you spend 12% of your wages for universal healthcare.
The current health care for profit is the problem and u dont have medicare so Do you know anyone who does have medicare? Ask them if they like it then get back to me.
You get what you pay for....you pay nothing..and you get nothing...especially if OUR government is running it. Try checking out your Messiah worshipper's statements on jail time..you know the jump to her feet clapping ... Pelosi. Her own words plan for jail time for those that can't pay. READ THE BILL.
i agree with you then the current healthcare system that bankrupts 2mill a year, that considers "fat"/"skinny" babies, acne, rape, and domestic abuse a preexisting condition, that discriminates against the uninsured and the cost have increased 420%.
Im not saying healthcare is all bad but it can be the best.
I bet your scared to get sick right now. You may get the healthcare you pay for but the copays suck and the insurance companies get in the way of you and your doctor right now. use logic
If you have a job and keep working.....and keep you insurance going...they can't discriminate. I agree there is reformation...not a union thug takeover with a government now showing communist leanings. Wake up. We still have the best health care in the world. When we are sick....we get the best treatment in the world.
CalifSunchine2008 - tell "one" that he will get no= CHOICE! No "current research" for any new drugs or trials (destroyed under Obama Care) and NO Specialists (until its too late) and Trauma Care? Too costly! Ask my Canadian auntie whose life is ruined. Her DEATH/Migraine got her a bed only and nothing else unto she proved she was ina COMA! And then they acted. TOO LATE! She has stroke and leg and arm do not work. In Canada Crap Care they treat you with a CALENDAR! USA? with a watch second hand!
Do you think the government will do right by you? Will it be competitive? THINK. Think about agent orange...and how they covered it up. Do you really trust Obama...with your life....with the life of your children or mother? I do not. This is about higher taxes....less treatment...more control over you. Rahm Emanual's brother is running healthcare and has written extensively on euthabnizing the unimportant people (eugenics). It would make Hitler proud.
.....and "one" more drone of Obama ~~~zzz wants us to all line up in a dirty Obama Government Crap Care line up? (the one those 60 dunce drone DIMS will never use) and NEITHER will ~fancy Mitchie Obama and her Italian Designer dressed daughters! And "one" thinks that Private Pay Insurers should be FORCED to pay for chain smoking - drunk Gampies care now that he's DYING? They are a PRIVATE COMPANY! Obama can pay out of HIS WALLET! = The Obama Crap Care plan will be a flood gate for RUIN 4 ALL!
Everyone I know supplements it. I would hate not being able to hire and fire a doctor as I see fit. Medicare limits your choice. 40 percent of doctors do not accept it...and it is ILLEGAL for them to accept you. How can you just sign up to be TOLD what to do by a DMV style of healhcare?
Do you remember what the government did the the vietnam vets with the cover up of agent orange? Who will you turn to .... if healthcare is nothing but a union thug bailout? The law? LOL
Keep fighting, and keep looking even more insignificant than you are now. The American People are "bone tired" of hearing your hyperbole about the Presidents plans, yet not concocting anything serious that will solve the problems. Lowering taxes and letting the market decide everything isn't a plan, it's death to America.
Health care reform....more like deathcare planning. Nothing but taxing and stealing the last breath of life from the hard working tax payers.
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
We will vote the Democrats out of office..and the RINO's will follow. Hang on for the ride... Boehner is the next speaker of the house.
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
The only law in the HC bill is mandating HC with the penalty of jail and fines. Do you agree with that?
jeremyoyer 2 years ago
On osamabamadeath & NO care,
Just Say NO!
odumbo & pisslozy, don't give a shit & don't want to help Creat jobs.
Unless it's more jobs, for more socialist czars.
SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!
DEO VINDICE!
LONG LIVE THE REBELLION!
RebelStangII 2 years ago
ha ha ha ha! thanx i needed a good laugh
oneofonex1 2 years ago
Government Health care is basically a tax increase bill. The taxes start immediately when passed. The rationing health care bill don't start until 2013 or 2014. This bill is going to tax "Everybody" People married, not married, at every income level people are going to face added taxation long before whatever the benefits are. obamer is going to go out there at the big signing ceremony and he's gonna say, "Look at what we've done for you. Bye Bye Free Republic of America!
SaveRepublic 2 years ago
I don't think it will pass by Christmas like they want.
jeremyoyer 2 years ago
..they said its in the bag.....obama bribed everyone............with our money.....before or after christmas.........we are ruined........all we have is if bo's birth certificate is fake
memama2 2 years ago
They are still struggling in the Senate right now.
jeremyoyer 2 years ago
@jeremyoyer ,
No it won't pass by Christmas but Lieberman and Olympia Snowe are a disgrace to America for turning their backs on our sovereignty.
SaveRepublic 2 years ago
Olympia Snowe is a Republican isn't he? I guess it will be a good year in 2010 for the GOP huh.
jeremyoyer 2 years ago
@jeremyoyer
"Olympia Snowe is a Republican isn't she?"
Not in my book. She is a democrat through & through.. Obama administration kept having private meetings with her until she succumbed. one can only imagine how she was influenced to break her moral character to break America.
SaveRepublic 2 years ago
I say just abolish all of Congress next year. All of them fuckers need to go and need to be replaced with minor parties. Fuck these major parties. I'm sick of both of them.
jeremyoyer 2 years ago
@jeremyoyer
"I say just abolish all of Congress next year"
That is not a bad idea. Oh just wait your gonna see what Government Health Care really means for America.. There are gonna be millions scratching their heads wondering why they can't afford anything once these taxes go in effect immediately after it passes. This will destroy everyone's wealth.. When the biggest share of our population is struggling to make ends meet in a few years they will wake up. The American Idol lovers sleeping.
SaveRepublic 2 years ago
I think there will be a lot of changes next year.
jeremyoyer 2 years ago
Just wait till all this redistribution of wealth and the taxes that will start immediately upon all American citizens even before the rationing government health care begins 3 to 4 years from now.
Can average middle & lower class Americans honestly feel they will be able to continue affording car payments , cell phones, internet service & weekend dinner and movie outings after Uncle Sam dips his hand further into our pockets. When is enough?
SaveRepublic 2 years ago
..the Obama BILLS are all about "bribes & control & power"....its not about "whats in the BILL"...its about them being AGAINST IT = until Obama brought out the money feed-bag to con those Dims into allowing this Economy & National Destruction to BEGIN! = all as soon as possible and Obama? WANTS THAT TO HAPPEN NOW!....the reason is the longer this gets looked at and the more people see the evil consequences of these FREEDOM TAKING RUIN of a Obama Health Bill and its EVIL? they will demand it STOP
memama2 2 years ago
@memama2
Social Security passed in 1935 to give some small assistance to the very old and widows with children who are in dire straits. But ever since 1935 Social Security's been amended and enlarged year after year, just like the health care bill will be. Social Security is something people really do or did keep their eyes on. In 1940, benefits paid totaled $35 million. Now, stick with me on this. cont...
SaveRepublic 2 years ago
@memama2 ,
Social Security & The Government Health Care Effect:
Payments rose to $961 million in 1950, ten years later. It was $11.2 billion in 1960 and $ 31.9 billion in 1970. All the way up to 2004: $492 billion worth of benefits were paid to 47.5 million beneficiaries. In 2009, nearly 51 million Americans will receive $650 billion in Social Security in a program that originally paid out $35 million. As recently as 1950 it paid out $11 billion.
SaveRepublic 2 years ago
@memama2 ,
Social Security & The Government Health Care Effect:
Today it's up to $650 billion since its interception. I don't care if you factor inflation in. This is simply out of control, unsustainable and this is exactly what will happen to health care.
SaveRepublic 2 years ago
..in the good old days; when my grandparents and my family ran out of money - we did FREE THINGS!...go on a walk or play Yahtzee! ...and ate some soup and sat and watched the sun on the garden flowers! We did not go over to the neighbors and ROB their piggy banks or change jar! And take it and go spend it on US? THAT WOULD BE WRONG! = and we were taught to be satisfied with LESS! - Now Obama is a grifter going over to the Neighbors and then spreading others money around and ITS STILL WRONG
memama2 2 years ago
..now we have another day - another day of Obama and his crackpot fraud science CZAR - John PEE Holder = LYING BY OMMISION!.....and that is all they know how to do!!....because if the American People could see further then the Block Of Obama CHEESE and a prison filled with evil Terrorists as a "jobs plan" ???........then they would see their savings and retirement spent on TAX TAX TAX and more Obama BILLS = TAX! Thats al our futures and there goes our money! ~ GONE into the Obama ~~drainHOLE~
memama2 2 years ago
Wheres the Republican Bill??? The American people are bone tired of you stupid republicans cant wait to vote you dumb chits out of office
oneofonex1 2 years ago 2
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.......gosh darn ?? another Obama ~~~zzz drone ??? "oneofonex1" who spends all day like his mentor = Obummer ~~zzz LYING BY OMMISION!.........these crackpot drones of the collective hive of the ~~zzz king bee = ~~~obbuzzzma~~~~zzz are such dumb DIMS they cannot watch C-SPAN and the debates in Congress or FOX and figure out there were multiple REPUBLICAN BILLS & IDEAS = but ~~buzzmama would not listen to most of them and then the DIMS Stole some of the rest!........Republicans SPEAK THE TRUTH
memama2 2 years ago
@ memama2 "Republicans SPEAK THE TRUTH".
That comment alone establishes your stupidity. you watch fox news and have the audacity to call someone a drone. You poor dummy.
oneofonex1 2 years ago 3
Wow, this is a response for the scholars if I ever seen one. There is absolutely no substance in your comment. This is a typical far left response for when they have no argument.
jeremyoyer 2 years ago
Heres a typical far left response: I say PUBLIC OPTION NOW! no more status quo, no more preexisting conditions, no no more bankruptcies due to medical bills, and last but not least no health care for profit.
The republicans argue that government is going to get in the way of you and your doctor, well the insurance companies are doing a hell of a job right now. GOP plan = So what if you cant afford it, fuk you get a job. if you have a job get a better job. Still cant afford it, youre fuked.
oneofonex1 2 years ago
A typical far left response. Pass the bill. What's actually inside the bill is irrelevant. It doesn't matter that if someone decides not to have insurance, they will be fined and jailed. Also it doesn't matter if someone else is responsible for my HC. I shouldn't have to work if I don't want.
You can't blame the Republicans for not passing the pubic option as it was actually an Independent Democrat that was the deciding factor. Remember who is in charge of Congress and the Senate.
jeremyoyer 2 years ago
So you think the Government should provide housing, clothes, food, cars, etc for free as well?
I can't afford to work. I have no house, no car, no food. But hey, I have Healthcare.
jeremyoyer 2 years ago
Do you realize 40 percent of doctors do not accept medicare? If you have medicare ... it is ILLEGAL for a doctor that does not accept medicare to have you as a patient. MEDICARE LIMITS choice!! WAKE UP. Do you want DMV medical care? You might not go bankrupt...but the youth will spend 12 percent of their wages on healthcare for all...and there will be jail sentences for those that don't want Obama DEATHCARE.
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
You must get your "Facts" from fox news.
name the amendment that says you get jail time? Your current health care vs a what if you make $100 and it cost you $12 of those dollars to get health care at anytime, anyplace for anything for your family and yourself u wouldnt you spend 12% of your wages for universal healthcare.
The current health care for profit is the problem and u dont have medicare so Do you know anyone who does have medicare? Ask them if they like it then get back to me.
oneofonex1 2 years ago
You get what you pay for....you pay nothing..and you get nothing...especially if OUR government is running it. Try checking out your Messiah worshipper's statements on jail time..you know the jump to her feet clapping ... Pelosi. Her own words plan for jail time for those that can't pay. READ THE BILL.
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
i agree with you then the current healthcare system that bankrupts 2mill a year, that considers "fat"/"skinny" babies, acne, rape, and domestic abuse a preexisting condition, that discriminates against the uninsured and the cost have increased 420%.
Im not saying healthcare is all bad but it can be the best.
I bet your scared to get sick right now. You may get the healthcare you pay for but the copays suck and the insurance companies get in the way of you and your doctor right now. use logic
oneofonex1 2 years ago
If you have a job and keep working.....and keep you insurance going...they can't discriminate. I agree there is reformation...not a union thug takeover with a government now showing communist leanings. Wake up. We still have the best health care in the world. When we are sick....we get the best treatment in the world.
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
CalifSunchine2008 - tell "one" that he will get no= CHOICE! No "current research" for any new drugs or trials (destroyed under Obama Care) and NO Specialists (until its too late) and Trauma Care? Too costly! Ask my Canadian auntie whose life is ruined. Her DEATH/Migraine got her a bed only and nothing else unto she proved she was ina COMA! And then they acted. TOO LATE! She has stroke and leg and arm do not work. In Canada Crap Care they treat you with a CALENDAR! USA? with a watch second hand!
memama2 2 years ago
I think they would like to see the older voters die quickly....it would help their ratios.
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
Do you think the government will do right by you? Will it be competitive? THINK. Think about agent orange...and how they covered it up. Do you really trust Obama...with your life....with the life of your children or mother? I do not. This is about higher taxes....less treatment...more control over you. Rahm Emanual's brother is running healthcare and has written extensively on euthabnizing the unimportant people (eugenics). It would make Hitler proud.
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
.....and "one" more drone of Obama ~~~zzz wants us to all line up in a dirty Obama Government Crap Care line up? (the one those 60 dunce drone DIMS will never use) and NEITHER will ~fancy Mitchie Obama and her Italian Designer dressed daughters! And "one" thinks that Private Pay Insurers should be FORCED to pay for chain smoking - drunk Gampies care now that he's DYING? They are a PRIVATE COMPANY! Obama can pay out of HIS WALLET! = The Obama Crap Care plan will be a flood gate for RUIN 4 ALL!
memama2 2 years ago
Everyone I know supplements it. I would hate not being able to hire and fire a doctor as I see fit. Medicare limits your choice. 40 percent of doctors do not accept it...and it is ILLEGAL for them to accept you. How can you just sign up to be TOLD what to do by a DMV style of healhcare?
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
Do you remember what the government did the the vietnam vets with the cover up of agent orange? Who will you turn to .... if healthcare is nothing but a union thug bailout? The law? LOL
CalifSunshine2008 2 years ago
Keep fighting, and keep looking even more insignificant than you are now. The American People are "bone tired" of hearing your hyperbole about the Presidents plans, yet not concocting anything serious that will solve the problems. Lowering taxes and letting the market decide everything isn't a plan, it's death to America.
RZA36 2 years ago 3