911 WTC7 collapse collapses Ground zero WTC 7 firefighters

[Zoonjse]

What can cause this extreme heat? A heat that melts steel and has it flowing like a lava?

[Born2Flesh]

9/11 = 100% Inside Job

Debunk this --------> Deconstructing the Pentagon Attack -- Pilots for 9/11 Truth

...take a look at the rubble just after the WTC demolition........tell me if you can see any large pieces of concrete. A VERY STRANGE SCIENCE.

[trailertrance]

who cares if our goverment did it or "sadie w/e"

it happened ok -it its sad that it took something like that to bring

out country together and care about one another instead of other countries problems

its even more sad that its how many years later? & people already forgot about it

wtf is going on? i guess well just have to be bombed to care again b/c the us seems to do it no problem lets stop fighting with 1another about it- just dumb-if we go on like this its only going to happen again

[infoseeker264]

I was debating this with TheFlyposter and he claims these explosions are fire extinguishers and other office materials exploding. He says that all the explosions here are typical in an office building fire. He claims there was no evidence of explosives. Anyone else believe this?

[godzilla1077]

@infoseeker264 Yes. Have you never witnessed explosions from a house or electrical component. You don't need bombs to have explosions in a fire.

[TheJoeyzxc]

"It's exploding".

Oh yes, obviously they know everything in the world.

Geniuses!

Riitte?

Nope.

Idiot conspiracy theorists.

[Xendrius]

@TheJoeyzxc You are the moron here believing Osama is hiding in caves conspiring to destroy the US, something the "truthers" have is evidence facts and video and audio footage supporting their theories, the official theory has no proof and all the "proof" has turned out to be planted, such as the passport of the still alive saudi airliner pilot.

[lebronsmyboy6]

@TheJoeyzxc the idiots are the ones who think they know what really happpened aka u

Rittle ?

nope

[prayfortruejustice]

/watch?v=pp4hYPMoXn8

[thunderw96]

On the day 9/11/01, two of my family members died, and I still pray for them to this day.

[lebronsmyboy6]

@thunderw96  im sorry for your loss

[Philnatic1776]

WOW, Great job guys!

[camo673]

explosions? dumbshits who say this building was demolished y a team read this. WTC7 was on fire which most likely heated the gas tanks inside of the uilding

[BCt0xiN]

@camo673 Wrong.

[NICKRITZER]

thats why a European news agency..reported WTC7's collapse OVER AN HOUR. before it actually happened! C'MON

[adeelies]

@camo673 buddy there was a few small fires, it shouldnt have collapsed and the people shouldnt have known the building was coming down in a few min and there was a countdown on the radio before it collapsed.

if any building should have collapsed it would have been building 5 and it didnt fall

[theshow2k8]

@camo673

LOL uhhh....no!

[jackieandmorgan]

wtf one of the dudes was only worried about the paper wht an asshole!

[NanoThermite911]

200+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials question the official version of 9/11

over 70% of the Victims family member's questions went unanswered by the 9/11 commission.

9/11 debunkers have no facts, they just lie and expect you to actually believe them and not go and do research to debunker them...

[NanoThermite911]

You have to be kidding me? Are you that stupid?

[WarCrime911]

Have you checked the arrest records and done a follow up investigation? If so, could you please share your information with us?

[WarCrime911]

@00:15 in this video this witness gives his report of a "large explosion"...

So I've exposed your first lie.

You also said "there is no such thing as nanothermite"... Here is direct evidence to prove you wrong on your 2nd lie:

watch?v=IxMjqskh3ec

You're only argument seems to be calling me a "dummy" and repeating it 3 times for effect. lol, I'll refer you to Appendix C of the FEMA report and you clearly didn't read the peer reviewed paper by Neils Harrett...

[WarCrime911]

@blackjerryboymetal, You're response is to call me a dummy? How scientific...

I'll refer you to the peer reviewed and accepted paper by Neils Harrett and Stephen Jones proving that active nanothermite was found in several different dust samples taken from ground zero.

Where is your proof that "there were no bombs"? Where is the analysis looking for them that didn't find them?

[ctcole77]

@ WarLies911

Why did Dr. Steven Jones circumvent the peer review process by not showing his nanothermite paper to the chief editor and printing it without her approval?

[WarCrime911]

@ctcole77, Why do "Debunkers" focus on irrelevant Straw Men arguments instead of debating the HARD-CORE Science behind the Thermite Evidence?

[ctrackmonger]

@WarCrime911

You really need to try and talk about FEMA and NIST reports with them...

It is hilarious to watch them run around like chickens with their heads cut off.

[ctcole77]

@ctrackmonger

Oh you mean that FAKE paper that found paint chips at the WTC?

You know, the chemistry paper written by people that are NOT even chemists?

Kevin Ryan and Steven Jones NOT chemists?

911 TRUTH = 911 LIES

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

NO i was referring to NIST and FEMA both... You knew that why act stupid and dance around? Like you always do!!!!! Like a FF idiot... Why not hold your story to those standards you like to set for everyone else?

[ctrackmonger]

@CScole77 (Stands for COCK SUCKING)

I wanted to make that clear to you first of all. Why not talk about NIST and their lack of evidence? Pseudo Science is what we like to call that. I can quote NIST for you. I have some from them and FEMA on my homepage, I know you have seen it!!! NIST lacks EVIDENCE of fire induced collapse. They also lack evidence of the steel getting hotter than 250oC, they also lack PHYSICAL EVIDENCE from WTC7. No explosive tests, and they did fraudulent tests.

[ctcole77]

NEWSFLASH 4/28/09

Nanothermite article printed WITHOUT chief editor's approval?

Nanothermite is NOT within The Open Chemical Physics Journal's field of expertise?

Chief editor QUITS over having authority passed over.

Chief editor claims Open Chemical Physics Journal is "a bad journal that no one reads".

[WarCrime911]

@ctcole77,

Where are the Government's chemical tests of physical evidence from 9/11???

Ten Scientists listed their name on that report, the science is well within their expertise... You just can't handle the fact that 9/11 was part of a conspiracy to start illegal wars in the middle east for Oil and Opium, strip American Citizens of their rights, and destroy all the financial records of their corrupt bail-out schemes they are still using to ROB the entire world...

[grandmastershek]

@WarCrime911 Probably in the same place the visual evidence of bombs are. Non existent.

[ctcole77]

3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:

How many of Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth's 1202 architectural and engineering professionals have experience in structural engineering, high rise construction, or controlled demolition?

What did Hani Hanjour’s flight instructors have to say about his flying ability?

Who was Ali Mohamed and what is his relationship with Osama Bin Laden and the CIA?

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

"3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:"

Should I start listing the 100's of questions that I still have after NIST failed to answer them? How about the 100's of questions as th why FEMA and NIT contradict themselves? What about the 10 QUESTIONS into why NIST tested in excess of 40% of the steel FEMA tested and failed to find the SAME TEMPS?

[ctcole77]

@ctrackmonger

Sure moron, list your questions.

But you may want to "actually" tell the truth this time. You know "the truth"...............it's that thing you "claim" to be searching for?

The truth that ALL of your "100s of questions" have ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED?

911 TRUTH = 911 LIES

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

"Sure moron, list your questions."

The real moron here is you, letting the Gov take your rights away!!! I mean look at the Patriot Act, no more 4th Amendment rights. No more Posse Comitatus. Look at the gulf oil spill, no First Amendment rights. The Feds are suing Arizona, no more 10th or 11th Amendment rights. BP won't even allow reporters in, so they can do their job. No more 1st Amendment rights. Should I start with those questions yet, or should I let this comment ferment?

[ctcole77]

@ctrackmonger

Sounds more like a speech than questions.

And all this has what do do with 911?

911 TRUTH = 911 LIES

911 WAS AN OUTSIDE JOB!

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

No speech just truth!!! So are so blatantly stupid, that you would give away your rights and those of your KIN? I mean I am American but do not reside in America... Why is it that I am warning others about the repression and you care less about your rights? You want to end up like the Jew's in WW2?

[ctcole77]

@ctrackmonger

Actually, I'm still waiting for you to list your questions.

You know, the questions you continue to LIE about not being answered?

Like the 20 questions Charlie Sheen DIDN'T ask the President and the same questions that were answered YEARS ago?

911 WAS AN OUTSIDE JOB!

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

I asked one before that you ran away from!!! Why did FEMA test steel and find 700-800oC in crystalography tests, yet shared 35% of that steel they tested on with NIST and NIST can only find 250oC? Why is that?

How do you conduct a scientific report with ZERO physical evidence from any of the 3 buildings that fell in NYC showing compromised steel from fires?

That is just scratching the surface!!!

[ctcole77]

@ctrackmonger

Are you for real? Have you EVER taken a college chemistry course? Ever hear of a "representitive sample? This is all you got???? ROFL!

No evidence? Well it comes to no surprise that your are so unresearched. How about NYPD video footage of the exterior columns buckling under heat & stress loads less than 20 minutes after the plane impact?

No need to worry though. I'm sure you'll find some way to bury your head in the sand & keep on LYING!

ctrackmonger DEBUNKED!

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

NIST NCSTAR WTC 1-3

"A method was developed using microscopic observations of paint cracking to determine whether steel members had experienced temperatures in excess of 250 °C. More than 170 areas were examined on 21 exterior panels. Note that these 21 panels represent only about 3 percent of the panels from fire involved floors, and that the results on these panels cannot be considered indicative of exposure of other panels."

Cont.

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

Notice this is a reference to 1-3E

"Annealing studies on recovered steels established the set of time and temperature conditions necessary to alter the steel microstructure."

This quote is from 1-3E

NCSTAR 1-3E ES page xxxiv fourth paragraph

"Discernible changes to the microstructure of furnace exposed WTC steel were observed when exposed to a temperature of 625oC for as little as 0.25 h."

Cont.

[ctcole77]

"Let me ask you why the max was 2 hrs when neither building stood for 2 hrs?"

Let me ask you under what loading conditions were applied in that test?

You very conveniently neglect the unique construction of WTC 1 & 2. How numerous smaller exterior columns would be closely spaced as to minimize interior columns. The floor trusses were supported by the exterior columns & the core. Weaken the exterior colums & what do you expect sherlock?

Did your "test" account for this?

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

Well if you read the report you will see it!!! I am not here to quote NIST and teach you like your professor!!! Stop being so lazy and do real research yourself!!!

wtc(dot)nist(dot)gov/NCSTAR1/

Until you actually do research don't bother even saying anything to me!!!

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

It seems to me that you are all caught up into debunk911myths. org

What a shame that you can't even investigate the claims they make for yourself!!! At least I was not biased when I visited that site and AE 9/11's site. To be honest it took reading the NIST report to see. The facts are there, as you can see you just got pounced on with quotes from NIST themselves, concerning this matter!!

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

"The floor trusses were supported by the exterior columns & the core. Weaken the exterior colums & what do you expect sherlock?"

To FYI the official story states that the SFRM was blown off and that the fires heated the FLOOR TRUSSES, causing PULL IN of the perimeter columns! They also state that had it not been for poor SFRM the building's would still be standing! The collapse according to the OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATION states that the damage was insignificant to collapse!

[ctcole77]

@ctrackmonger

ROFL! MORON!

And what if the WTC was built conventionally with many interior columns?

Would it collapse. Most likely no.

I have visited AE&MOSTLYSTUDENTSFor911LIES site.

I love Richard Gage's "free lunch for 911 truth" program.

That's right, if you are willing to buy Richard Gage's lunch, he will give you a straight dose of 911 LIES.

911 TRUTH = FREE LUNCH FOR RICHARD GAGE = LIES

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

Oh so now you don't deny what I said?

I mean those were quotes from NIST!!!

How do you call someone ignorant and then get it thrown back into your face?

"The floor trusses were supported by the exterior columns & the core. Weaken the exterior colums & what do you expect sherlock?"

Especially when you call me ignorant and say I am uninformed, and you don't even know what the official cause for collapse was!!! So are you going to answer those 2 questions yet, that was AMPLE TIME!

[ctcole77]

The structural design of the towers was unique in that the supporting steel structure consisted of closely spaced columns in the walls of all four sides. The resulting structure was similar to a tube. When the aircraft impacted the towers at speeds of about 500 plus mph, many steel columns were immediately severed and others rendered weak by the following fires.

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

"The resulting structure was similar to a tube. When the aircraft impacted the towers at speeds of about 500 plus mph, many steel columns were immediately severed and others rendered weak by the following fires."

Do I really need to quote NIST for you as I have done?

I told you where to find, what you asked about"my tests", which are subsequently not my tests.. That was NCSTAR 1-6.

[ctcole77]

The fires critically damaged the floors systems. Structural steel will begin to lose strength when heated to temperatures above 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. Steel bridge girders are bent to conform to the curved roadway by spot heating flanges between 800 and 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. It is easy to comprehend the loss of carrying capacity of all the structural steel due to the raging fires fed by the jet's fuel as well as aircraft and building contents.

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

"The fires critically damaged the floors systems. Structural steel will begin to lose strength when heated to temperatures above 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. Steel bridge girders are bent to conform to the curved roadway by spot heating flanges between 800 and 1000 degrees Fahrenheit."

How can NIST prove that the steel reached that temp when they only had 0.25% steel from WTC 1&2 and 0% steel from WTC7?

On the steel from WTC 1&2 they only found steel to have reached 250 degrees C.

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

"The fires critically damaged the floors systems. Structural steel will begin to lose strength when heated to temperatures above 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. Steel bridge girders are bent to conform to the curved roadway by spot heating flanges between 800 and 1000 degrees Fahrenheit."

You seem to not know much of the building!!! They were FLOOR TRUSSES not "GIRDERS". According to NIST in their FIRE TESTS the only way the trusses sagged was with no SFRM!!!

[ctcole77]

"I think without exception, the structural engineering professors in our dept are not in agreement with the claims made by Jones in his paper, and they don't think there is accuracy and validity to these claims"

"Professor Jones's dept and college administrators are not convinced that his analyses and hypotheses have been submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review."

- A. Woodruff Miller, Department Chair, BYU department of Engineering

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

I also answered it on my page along with yours, which you subsequently didn't allow!! You just run away from the truth as all debunkers, never do I get a straight answer from any of you!!! Wonder if it is just stupidity, or if you all get paid for ignorance!!!

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

Goes to show how informed you are, this is hilarious the first strawman attack you made was calling me ignorant!! See the IRONY of 3 comments later, having it, thrown back into your face?

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

"Hot-rolled steels below 500oC experenced a slight increase in hardness, which may be due to strain-age gardening effects;

Hot rolled steels at 500oC and 625oC experienced a decrease in hardness was observed if the extent of the spheroidization was such large carbide particles formed; and

Quenched-and-tempered steels at 625oC had a continual decrease in hardness up to the maximum exposure time of 2 h."

Let me ask you why the max was 2 hours when neither building stood for 2 hrs?

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

"No evidence? Well it comes to no surprise that your are so unresearched. How about NYPD video footage of the exterior columns buckling under heat & stress loads less than 20 minutes after the plane impact?

No need to worry though. I'm sure you'll find some way to bury your head in the sand & keep on LYING!"

I guess you seem to be the one that is uninformed! The collapse was due to fire not damage, just as building 7 was fire! Read the NCSTAR reports! Oh yea I don't just tell facts

[ctcole77]

@ctrackmonger

Nice try putting words in my mouth (911 twoofer debate tactic # 14). I know it was due to fire damage. NYDP helicopter video CLEARLY shows the exterior columns buckling under HEAT nad STREES loads.

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

Okay so where is the steel that showed temps? The annealing studies showed that the structural steels used altered at 625 degrees C. But yet NIST failed to find temps above 250oC, claiming that the steel they had was insufficient. How do you conduct a report, state that fire was the cause, then find NO STEEL to have reached critical temps? Isn't that lacking supporting evidence? That is what the definition of pseudoscience also is!!!

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

"No evidence? Well it comes to no surprise that your are so unresearched. How about NYPD video footage of the exterior columns buckling under heat & stress loads less than 20 minutes after the plane impact?"

So you can provide EVIDENCE that the steel reached critical temps of 625 degrees C? How about steel in general, I mean NIST clearly states they have ZERO WTC 7 steel... But yet, fire also brought that tower down correct?

Clearly NIST LACKS SUPPORTING EVIDENCE!!!

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

But it gets even BETTER, NIST cross examined roughly 35% (to be exact) of FEMA's BPS steel recovered, FEMA states the steel reached 700-800 degrees C., why is it that NIST directly contradicts FEMA's BPS? That was the second question, that you didn't even make it to because you are IGNORANT (uninformed)!!!

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

Is that all you can do is deny? You can't even argue your own hard facts from 9/11 Commission, NIST, or FEMA!!! Pretty sad, how long does it take to wake up a zombie? Let me know when you wake up!!!

[ctcole77]

@ctrackmonger

Come on, let's hear bout the squibs!!!!!1

Or maybe tell us about the "still alive hijackers".

How about Cheney's "stand down"?

Marvin Bush? Afghan pipeline? No flight 77?

Com on, I need some good LIES to DEBUNK.

911 TRUTH = 911 LIES

[ctrackmonger]

@ctcole77

So I will allow you ample time to answer those 2 questions, note if you call me a liar I will quote NIST and FEMA!!!

[WarCrime911]

@blackjerryboymetal,

PROVE IT! Show me the Mainstream media clips of them playing any of this footage:

watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw

Nothing is "plain and simple" when you are discussing conspiracy theories... You have to do actual research and PROVE things.

[ABCRobyn]

This is so heartbreaking. It amazes me that the people who were crossing the Brookyln bridge by foot that day were not crying. It amazes me more people weren't caught crying on camera. I know its disrepesctful to film people when they are upset but...considering what was happening I think respect was the last thing on peoples minds.

[lynnej1970]

omg now they decide to say a truck load of explosives this was never said before...

[WarCrime911]

lynnej1970,

The footage about the bombs on the george washington bridge were air the day of 9/11. However those news clips and documentations that went against the defunct official story were barred from being displayed on Public TV. Even any video footage of wtc7 collapsing was prohibited, they would only show a photo of bld 7.

Here are 20+ more very important mainstream media news clips taken from 9/11 that were intentionally never aired again.

Youtube: watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw