Equality of opportunity doesn't = equality of outcome. What men does feminist want be equal to? We all have opportunity but shall never have equal outcome.
Why is it that, even when there's a pro-sex+ feminist video, there is a flood of anti-feminist responses from MRAs? Some of them are actually misogynist to the core. It's one thing to advocate men's rights. It's quite another to blame everything on women. It really gets old.
I agree with much of what you say, but claiming that feminism fights racism & classism is a bit arrogant. Feminism can't speak to every other issue of inequality in society. Humanism is a more encompassing term and feminism is but a small part of that.
"the overall goal [of feminism], no matter what anyone says is to try to make things better for everyone?"
I really wanna believe that, but it doesn't resonate with my experience at all. Now, do you have any views on how differently misogyny and misandry are treated in today's society?
@MrBastilleDay Yeah lol those wacky feminists trying so hard not to misrepresent different schools of feminist theory in an attempt to achieve political and social equality. LOL crazy.
ok so far women have: the right to vote, the right to own property, equal employment, money, right to be sexually promiscuous, and all the power in the dating game. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT???
@pureevilz28 Reproductive freedom would be nice. It would also be nice if a third of us weren't victims of rape. I've also got a thing for equal wages and a reasonable beauty standard.
Feminism is on the retreat in every avenue. It's being dismantled every day. Most young women reject the term. It's become a narcissist's club revolving around their sex organs and how much they hate men. That's it.
@SystemEquation I call that good news. We're winning the fight against Female Superiority, bigotry, sexual discrimination, and hatred. The good guys always win in the end :D
@SystemEquation How can it be a "narcissist's club revolving around their sex organs," when feminists can have either male or female genitalia (and everything in between)?
@SystemEquation nn.....noo?, it's only decreasing among white middle class women. between 80-90 percent of non white women working for miminum wage consider themselves feminists. two words. saudi....arabia. read a newspaper.
This is an amazing video and summary of my beliefs but with an awesome accent, I wish I knew more guys like you - I argue with males on a daily basis at school and you just won every debate in just over 2 minutes. Amazing.
So what feminst blogs are you reading? I've been doing a lot reading and even the most man friendly feminists don't really deal with men's issues at all. Say if they are talking about sexism in the media and how women are judged on their looks. A guy will make a totaly fair comment how as men are also really badly judged and ridiculed on the way they look, why make the article about women?Then cue 20 comments replying "what about the menz." Not enough characters remaining to say what I want to
@MayAllMyDelusions You're right. Feminism is about equal rights and empowerment for women - not men. It would be unrealistic to expect otherwise. But that doesn't mean feminism is a man-hating movement either. There is a need for a men's movement, but that doesn't mean that MRAs have to be anti-feminist.
Thank you very much for putting the finger on the difference between "feminism" and the female supremacy movement. I understand which paradigm you are talking about, but the term "feminism" is terribly wrong in my opinion. I never saw a feminist fight for male rights in my whole life. Feminists fight for female privileges nowadays, not for, say, sewer work safety. I think you are talking about the equal rights movement or tolerance in general - which are both great, of course.
"There is a huge disproportionate amount of rape and sexual harassment towards women in out society." Stop right there! You just spouted a complete lie without even knowing it. What about prison rape? It is committed by men against men at a far greater incident rate than rape is reported in greater society. So how can you say that a disproportionate amount of that particular crime happens to women? When you include all the numbers men are raped more often than women.
@GHZealot 15%–20% of women in the U.S. are victims of sexual assault. Only about 3% of people in the U.S. are even IN prison, and only about 2% of those are estimated to be victims of sexual assault. So although its possible (and not verified) that prison rape may happen at a higher incidence rate that in the general population, fewer individuals are effected by it. Which is what I was trying to get at: that more women (when there are women "available") are at risk of sexual assault.
also the men who get raped in prison are usually chosen either because they are feminine, or because they are weaker or have lower status or committed a crime that most criminals find distasteful and are effectively being targets for punishment, which backs up the whole notion that rape is about abusing the powerless and that women and children are more likely to be assaulted because of pre-existing imbalances in power. love your videos.
@GHZealot Outside of the prison system, sexual assault against men is rare. Within the prison system, men rape men because of an absence of female victims. Rape is as common for male prisoners as it is for women who aren't in prison (about 1 in 3). Rape is NOT more common for men, no matter how you look at it.
@junipermama1 "about 1 in 3" You really must be joking. One in three women are not raped that is an even worse lie than one in four women, which has been proven to be false by the way and not because it did not portray enough women as victims either. It was false because one in four was way more women than had actually been affected by rape. You just stay in your little "every man is a potential rapist" bubble though. Don't go outside we will get you!
1 in 6 rape victims is female. If I see a women being raped in the street, I'd just continue walking as if nothing ever happened. This is how feminists go about when rape hits males. I'm serious, I'll keep walking.
@startxxx1991 It may be that only 1 in 6 rape victims are female if you count prison rape, but it's also true that at least 5 in 6 rapists are male. Why would you seriously ignore a female rape victim when the woman may not even be a feminist in the first place? You must have resentment against all women. Why? Because you have issues with feminists who ignore rape of males, so you have no compassion for any female victim?
@startxxx1991 Gee, you don't have to be a hero if you see violence against a woman on the street. Just call 911. No one expects you to put yourself in danger to rescue someone from an assault.
@prschuster The problem with society is the false sense of entitlement some people have, as the general case shows most people still expect males to cater to women's needs, selflessly...
How about if someone rapes you every day when you're a little child, and then becomes a feminist celebrity? I've seen it happen. Pedophile females find harbor in feminism. The name will come out soon. Feminists forgot to check who they bring on board and who they let lead.
Feminist of today are a joke. I truly do not understand how anyone would choose to be a feminist. I'm convinced they have a concentration camp where they brainwash people and send them out into the world.
@natashaTbird777 You've discovered our evil plot. We lock people in cold rooms with dirt floors and deprive them of food and water. We play Ani DiFranco and Storm Large really loudly and wait for the message to take hold of their weakened minds.
The funny thing is that I've seen a dozen dictionaries. Not one defines it this way :D
These femmies might actually look into an actual dictionary before they repeat like canned zombie "by the dictionary definition bla bla bla". Most dictionaries even do include the qualifies "for women" or "women's special interests" (etc... etc)... No definition says "ONLY equality".
Well the idea is that feminism tries to make it seem as if only women are oppressed so therefore the only way to be equal is to focus on women because men don't face oppression or discrimination of any kind, so there is no need to focus on men.
@RitchandFamous Because Feminism IS only about one group. They've never held any sort of benefit for men, nor awareness of violations of men's rights, like divorce courts and the biased over-representation and misinterpretation of rape statistics, and the systematic criminalization of heterosexuality. Violations of men's rights never come to the table for discussion in hate-groups like Feminism.
@TheCriminal2334 Feminism is a victim of its own success. And is has structural problems:
- Feminism is ideologically incoherent. There are unlimited definitions from unlimited sources (dictionary to "in my opinion").
- Feminism tortures logic by assuming that all men are more or less equal to each other. It ignores the economic inequalities among men. (Feminists don't want to be equal to working class men.)
Feminism is today based on narcissism and resentment of men.
@ardraneala "Intersectional feminism" (theoretical) is just intellectual masturbation. Feminist Activists (real life) do not support causes that show that the vast majority of men are not elites but working class grunts with shitty pay, shitty healthcare, and shitty respect in society.
Feminism is quite elitist in that it only looks to ELITE men as the yardstick of equality, never seeing the fellow exploited men around them (the majority of men).
@SystemEquation why wouldn’t u use elites as a yardstick for equality? are you saying that elite status is somehow inherent in society? Isn’t that anti egalitarian? and no actually they don't, all gender analysis I’ve ever been exposed to in academia has compared men and women of the same income bracket, ability, race and cultural background. they compare Latin, black, disabled women and men and find a gap between the genders.
@SystemEquation The gap between middle class or greater men and women is the smallest gap between the genders. The data does not support the claim that men have generally lower health care, lower salaries and respect is a nebulous, non definable quality that can’t be studied, and ergo you cannot provide evidence of.
@SystemEquation This is my personal problem with a type of feminism that seems to concentrate only on intellectualising and rationalizing a perception of “disrespect for their sex” instead of facts. The facts do support that women are at least disadvantaged in the public sphere. These are not studies by feminist organisations unless u think the united nations or statistics Canada, or the police are “feminist”.
@SystemEquation The income gap goes as such, comparing men and women divided into races. This was a controlled study that found that men and women of equal ability had income disparities that could not be explained by other factors. This was a study to measure earning POTENTIAL... and not about access(which would significantly drop black persons standing) .
@SystemEquation The earning potential progression in the united states went: white men (small gap) black men (smaller gap) white women(very small gap) Chinese women(large gap) Chinese men(large gap) latin men(huge gap) latin women
@SystemEquation notice that chinese women have higher status in western countries than chinese men. this is where intersectional theory comes into play. I did a lab on chinese masculinity in western culture and what seems to be true is that in western society chinese men are believed to be more submissive and less masculine which makes it more likely for them to be passed over for promotion and pay raises in the work place.
@SystemEquation id also like to point out that feminist activist lobby for many different causes and from what ive learned in my studies of the topic is that they often do not succeed in changing legislature. What changed legislature around gender is information gathered by social scientists. theory and intellectual "masturbation" as a much higher influence on policy and law than so called feminist activists.
@ardraneala biased thinking and thought experiments have absolutely no scientific merit and are therefore nothing more than, in your own words, "intellectual masturbation".
@aIyshooting what biased thinking? thought experiments? you mean behaviour psychology? if u don’t believe in science then that's fine. If you find abstract thinking difficult and threatening, that's fine. good luck in your life then lol
@aIyshooting LOL!!! ....no really...laugh my fucking ass off. psychology students do labs. they collect data. they do controlled double blind tests. they have peer reviewed articles. they are excepted as part of standard medicine. holy shit.
@aIyshooting psychologists have PHD's.... do YOU have a PHD ? are you a "real" scientist? are you saying that schizophrenia was invented by philosophers? so the known effects of aging on the brain and Alzheimer’s, dementia, reading disabilities, dyslexia ...are all made up? I've worked on data input for a psychology grad student. you dont know what you're talking about.
@aIyshooting my observation is that a lot of the people who call themselves anti feminist or men's movement activists dont actually HELP anyone... So i fail to see how feminists out in the world working at shelters, supporting human rights in places like iran and china, are partaking in something "intellectual" and not...ppphhysical??? U know whats masturbatory? arguing on the internet.
@aIyshooting no im not, i do not define a singular type of person in any context. we are all varied human beings. feminists work in iran and china. feminists also just troll on their computer. some men's rights activists help men, some just troll on their computers.
@SystemEquation most social scientists, whether they are male or female, are at least feminist-like, because they are constantly exposed to the data that qualifies and quantifies the systemic oppression of females by their male counterparts, throughout cultures, classes and races.a social scientist and a feminist are not the same thing, and a social scientist has waaay more clout when they are called upon to provide information when governments and judges make decisions.
@RitchandFamous Unlike most MRAs, I am very pro-feminist. But you must be realistic about the fact that feminism does not address men's issues. It doesn't deal with issues of joint custody, boys falling behind in school, rape of male prisoners, tendency to believe the woman's story in cases of domestic violence... etc. It's just the nature of politics for people to be one-sided. That's why there is a need for both a men's movement & feminism.
Sexual Harassment is all about somebody's reaction. That's the problem with it. So maybe more women are "victims" of it because they are more likely to take offense at a comment that was never meant to be offensive in the first place. You can say something to person A and they won't be offended but say the same thing to person B and they will be offended.
Besides, our society is more concerned with "not offending women" than it is about violence against men.
If feminism was really for both genders then how come they aren't doing anything about the fact that men have higher standards for the fitness tests to become police officers, that men make up nearly 100% of all work-related deaths, that only women get freebies and discounts for their gender, that women are not required to register for selective service but men are, and the fact that even though men die on average 6 years earlier than women, more funding goes into women's health research?
@theignoredgender the last one is because 95 percent of labs studies are done on male mice. u know that whole take aspirin thing when u have a heart attack? not affective in women. and no one knew. so women died that didn't have to because no one cares to study drug effects on females. careful analysis has found that women and minorities are consistently downgraded during job interviews. so they are trying to compensate. It's not like there are no reasons for these decisions.
@theignoredgender women out live men for biological reasons. second, wtf? u have a problem with men dying more on the job while ALSO having a problem with initiatives that make it easier for women to qualify for more dangerous jobs? how are we supposed to fix that issue? that's the problem with people like u ..u are so hell bent on complaining. u have no helpful input into how to solve problems. at least affirmative action outlines the issue and put in policy to combat it.
More funding and attention going into women's health has nothing to with it?
Why should anyone make it easier for a woman to qualify for a job? What happened to equality? Oh I forgot, when discrimination works in favor of women, it's okay.
Affirmative action is legal discrimination. Equal Opportunity and equal outcomes are not the same thing.
@theignoredgender More funding and attention going into women's health has nothing to with it?
I dont believe what 'makes sense' to my subjective reasoning. i believe data and science. So no i dont think thats it. women naturally out live men if they survive pregnancy. Look up the biology of it. they do, however suffer more often from chronic illnesses, like autoimmune diseases, for which there are no known causes or cures, which may warrant more funding.
@theignoredgender The reasons why women suffer more from autoimmune diseases is presumed to be related to their hormones. in order for women and men to get equal healthcare, women need more funding. There is a long history of medical research from mens health while women’s health didn’t become relevant until the last hundred years. Women also need more funding because our bodies are more complex.
@theignoredgender The reason why male mice are used more for studies is because they dont undergo hormonal shifts so researchers prefer them because it produces more consistent results. Often things that are proven to work on male mice do not work on female mice, or are less effective, thus rendering them useless on human women. This results in poorer health care for females.
@theignoredgender Now im arguing with this notion theoretically, but im not sure how womens health gets more funding. Most health issues can effect both men and women. And considering men do not undergo childbirth, which is a major cause of death and disability in women, i dont see what equivalent would need funding or why that wouldnt result in women needing more health care. what if the demand for healthcare is higher in women?
@theignoredgender Also i have to point out that say studying heart disease can be seen as a gender neutral issue but when u do the lab research on male mice, it results in the treatment for the disease to be male specific.
@theignoredgender Why should anyone make it easier for a woman to qualify for a job?...umm because that would mean more women could get dangerous jobs? you JUST said that men dying more in dangerous jobs in important to you. how does dying more on the job work in favour of women?, behavioural studies have proven that if your employer is male, and you are female, you will not have "equal opportunity" people naturally preference their own race or gender or belief system.
@theignoredgender Having mostly women hiring results in discrimination against males, and vice versa. so until we have equal amounts of men and women hiring men and women, we will not have equal opportunity. this is what affirmative action is trying to fix. This is why male applicants have preferential treatment when looking for jobs in as nurses or in child care.
@ardraneala male applicants receive preferential treatment when looking for jobs in child care? Are you on drugs?
Could you please post evidence of preferential treatment being given to men in these professions? I'll need actual accredited sources - not some gibberish you found on a feminist/hate website.
@aIyshooting drugs? maybe.. they initially are discriminated against, then there is affirmative action to counter this discrimination. I took social sciences and psychology in university and wrote some finals on masculinities. I provided the sources in that paper. It is everyones OWN responsibility to enlighten themselves to the facts. I also do not read feminist websites and am non partisan (within reason). I support both the mens’ movement and feminisms right to exist.
@ardraneala nope. you don't. here you have argued FOR feminist corrective measures like affirmative action by falsely claiming that affirmative action is being used to bring men into certain female dominated fields. When prompted for sources, you refuse. You're a L-I-A-R.
@aIyshooting yes i refuse to walk to the library at 4 am and break into it so i can find the source to prove to some idiot on youtube im not "making it up". YOU decided i was making it up because YOU choose not to believe it. not because you have and provide info to the contrary. but just because. I didn't argue for anything, i just explained WHY to keep things realistic. and it isn't feminist corrective measures, feminists advocate, you are confused about how the system works.
u dont think its a tad bit irrational to expect that i keep my notes from like a year or two ago next to my computer while im trolling the internet? or that just because i dont i must be a omgomg a LIAR gasp.... doesn't strike you as slightly hyperbolic...just a tad? anyway. this was fun ^_^ *mental note, in order to voice opinions and share my knowledge i am required to at all times carry a large book of references.
@aIyshooting most women who consider themselves feminists have less than stellar access to computers to begin with, let alone run websites. what's with all the white middle upper class biased thinking, anti-feminists? There's a big world out there.
@aIyshooting seriously, most of the best info in the world is not on the net. I could make up a name. if i gave you an actual source u wouldn't be able to find it without leaving your house and your computer.
@aIyshooting if the study was controlled and conducted scientifically, being referenced by a feminist or men’s movement activist or even misinterpreted (as is so often the case with both) makes the interpreter mistaken and does not mean the study itself is invalid and cant be used.
@aIyshooting world health organization: “Male nurses are preferred in the tribal areas, particularly in areas with difficult access,” says Chaudhary. Some states have taken initiatives to promote male nurses. For example, Maharashtra State has reserved 20% of places in its nursing colleges for male students.
@ardraneala posting some edge case concerning the preferred use of male nurses in tribal areas because they can double as cannon fodder does not prove that male nurses are being given preference in general. Not only is this anecdotal, but it makes you look like a moron because you seem to think that the men here are benefactors when the reality is that they are being recruited to go into unsafe areas. Fuck you.
@aIyshooting whaa? i provided two examples,the one about the tribes you're going to believe, in your own interpretation, at least long enough so u can distort it to be something disadvantageous for males, but ignore the other one because you think it's exceptional? shouldn't both be invalid? u make no sense.
@ardraneala the one about the tribes made you look especially bad. It was a double whammy against you, so I took the pleasure of demolishing you with it. :)
@aIyshooting from minority nurse: Today, however, the nursing profession is working hard to dispel these old misconceptions and make up for lost time. Nursing school deans, faculty and male nursing leaders are developing innovative, stereotype-busting recruitment strategies in the hopes of eventually making the number of men in nursing more comparable to the number of women
@ardraneala I have no idea where this policy is being carried out. Once again, this is not a valid source. This sounds like an op-ed piece to me without any backing other than the writer's own hearsay.
@aIyshooting what i read: "because i am ignorant, it is not valid" .......because "this sounds like this to me and therefore, must be" is totally logical to you.
@ardraneala I said the burden of proof is on you. I also pointed out the irrelevance of a lot of what you cited. Didn't realize this was now an animal rights issue.
@aIyshooting no, someone had said that women's health got more funding in science, and i was saying that I dont think that's true, given that most gender neutral issues are studied on male mice, which renders the resulting treatments male specific, meaning that human women cannot use the results, which makes the statement that men get worse healthcare questionable.
@aIyshooting and it wasn't a quote, i was referring you to the actual article and the name of the author...lol somehow i get the feeling that next you'll be arguing that the animal rights of male mice are being violated or something and blame feminism for it somehow.
@aIyshooting i am looking at a men in healthcare scolarshop next to a women in healthcare scholarship. from nature.com :Many researchers avoid using female animals. Stringent measures should consign this prejudice to the past, argue Irving Zucker and Annaliese Beery, in the third piece of three on gender bias in biomedicine.
@aIyshooting you never specified which part you wanted me to "prove" also you dont outline how to do it when youtube doesn't allow us to post links, the articles ive paid to read on science journals you'd have to fork out 40 bucks to read, or go to the library and have me specifically list what page and what paragraph. It is completely illogical to ask for references here. Y can't you grasp this?
@aIyshooting "their feelings are legitimate and justified" buuut i have to prove everything that i say to some random? I can and have sourced them, once again, in appropriate contexts.
@aIyshooting the rest of the studies are hardcopy and either are in with my notes or have been destroyed. some of them you have to pay to access online. some of them were in books i dont own.
@aIyshooting "What's Wrong With Me?: The Frustrated Patient's Guide to Getting an Accurate Diagnosis." outlines some statistics about womens health that are alligned to some of the things ive said. "According to the American Autoimmune and
Related Diseases Foundation ,as many as fifty million Americans
(75 percent of them women) may suffer from autoimmune disorders," "doctors almost unanimously agree that autoimmune diseases are the most elusive and difficult to diagnose/treat"
@aIyshooting i cant find the site i was looking at the other week comparing male and females with disabilities...sigh... but they are much less liekly to be employed, educated, and when they are employed, are more likely to work lower wages. they are less likely to marry, to gain independence, and more likely to be abused than males with disabilities. males with disabilities are abused more than able bodied males. some states are on public health dot com.
@aIyshooting THIS is why there needs to be targeting of people based on gender in situations where it makes sense. saying "we should just help PEOPLE with disabilities get jobs" is good in concept but we know that for some reason, the females of the group are getting less access to that help.
@theignoredgender u conveniently ignore the fact that there are areas where affirmative action works in male applicants favour. anti –feminist men are more concerned with protecting their more typically masculine areas of employment then they are about helping men who want to be employed in more typically feminine careers. Men are not treated the same when applying for care giving positions, because of stereotypes about men's lack of empathy and ability to nurture.
You said earlier that men are given preferential treatment in care giving positions but now you're claiming that men are not given preferential treatment for said positions because they're neither empathetic nor nurturing.
You make no sense and the few times you do, you're making assertions without giving a shred of evidence. No sources, nothing. Zip. Nada.
@aIyshooting there is no contradiction. what has been found is that men are less likely to be hired WITHOUT affirmative action in those fields because of stereotypes. In order to combat this, certain organizations have specifically targeted males to become nurses or grade school teachers. I dont have to provide sources on the internet, no one else here was required to do so, i have other things to do.
@aIyshooting i provided sources, in my papers, at university, in the proper context, around peers who were similarly informed. so no i dont have to provide anything here, its youtube. lol yeah ok, cause you've provided lots of your own sources. If you asked me to provide evidence of evolution ill have the same response. read...a fucking..book..
@aIyshooting because u dont seem to know what it means. refute: to PROVE to be wrong. seriously. so a moderate person who is actually educated in a subject has to provide constant evidence while hard headed loud mouths who are full of negativity have no burden of proof set on them what so ever?
@ardraneala you're the hard-headed loud mouth. I simply called you out on all the nonsense you were asserting and demanded you show proof. You can't - at one point you outright refused - which means you've been refuted.
@aIyshooting im not hard headed at all, im actually known for being a waffler. prove it was nonsense. who are you to demand? who are you to say i can't just because i just dont care to? *looks up burden of proof" the duty of proving a disputed charge.... a duty? to who? why? i dispute all the assertions i read on this guys video before i posted, they did not provide proof either. i dispute your assertion that im a "liar" etc. so prove it.
@aIyshooting if u were to provide me proof of ANY of the claims anti feminists make id believe it. .....well no, i can't say that, i'd believe it until i found some further evidence that negated what i previously "believed". i was anti feminist until i started to actually research social structure. just like i used to believe in god.
another gay to be executed by hanging
llcoolpete1 5 days ago
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CpsLock3 1 week ago
i'm so confused about why everyone isn't a feminist....it boggles my mind...
ffets 1 week ago
Im an MRA and Im glad im not a feminist *TACTICAL BLOCK IMMINENT*
CpsLock3 1 week ago
@CpsLock3 haha, yeah cause we all care so much about you, mr randomcommenterwithnothingtosayaboutthevideo!
RitchandFamous 1 week ago
@RitchandFamous Im soo glad you are open minded and kind (implying)
CpsLock3 1 week ago
you say i will to to the dictionary? HAHAHA,not if i can prove that the what feminists are doing are not the same as what the dictionary says
TrueBlueCanuck 2 weeks ago
Equality of opportunity doesn't = equality of outcome. What men does feminist want be equal to? We all have opportunity but shall never have equal outcome.
Shouxiao 2 weeks ago
This video <3
sarahwintersmusic 2 weeks ago
@sarahwintersmusic Aw shucks, I love it when people whose stuff I like enjoy my stuff.
RitchandFamous 2 weeks ago
boy, you look like a real winner.
aIyshooting 3 weeks ago
Why is it that, even when there's a pro-sex+ feminist video, there is a flood of anti-feminist responses from MRAs? Some of them are actually misogynist to the core. It's one thing to advocate men's rights. It's quite another to blame everything on women. It really gets old.
prschuster 3 weeks ago
I agree with much of what you say, but claiming that feminism fights racism & classism is a bit arrogant. Feminism can't speak to every other issue of inequality in society. Humanism is a more encompassing term and feminism is but a small part of that.
prschuster 3 weeks ago
Femenism is sexist cause men dont have only advantages :) fight for EQUAL not better
MyTilted 3 weeks ago
Yeah, feminists need to be out every single day rallying for every issue ever in order to have a valid issue themselves. DUH!
cleom44 4 weeks ago
@cleom44 stupid feminists, fighting for causes and shit
RitchandFamous 4 weeks ago
@RitchandFamous you mean to say shit causes - and stuff...
J0k3r4U 2 weeks ago
"the overall goal [of feminism], no matter what anyone says is to try to make things better for everyone?"
I really wanna believe that, but it doesn't resonate with my experience at all. Now, do you have any views on how differently misogyny and misandry are treated in today's society?
MrFrothinger 4 weeks ago
The Disclaimer is priceless. There is a backwards-mirror copy of it on the ass of every feminist watching.
MrBastilleDay 4 weeks ago
@MrBastilleDay Yeah lol those wacky feminists trying so hard not to misrepresent different schools of feminist theory in an attempt to achieve political and social equality. LOL crazy.
RitchandFamous 4 weeks ago
ok so far women have: the right to vote, the right to own property, equal employment, money, right to be sexually promiscuous, and all the power in the dating game. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT???
pureevilz28 1 month ago
@pureevilz28 puppies
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junipermama1 4 weeks ago
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@pureevilz28 Reproductive freedom would be nice. It would also be nice if a third of us weren't victims of rape. I've also got a thing for equal wages and a reasonable beauty standard.
And I want a unicorn.
junipermama1 4 weeks ago
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Coldshot89 1 month ago
Feminism is on the retreat in every avenue. It's being dismantled every day. Most young women reject the term. It's become a narcissist's club revolving around their sex organs and how much they hate men. That's it.
SystemEquation 1 month ago 4
@SystemEquation lol k
RitchandFamous 1 month ago
@SystemEquation I call that good news. We're winning the fight against Female Superiority, bigotry, sexual discrimination, and hatred. The good guys always win in the end :D
TheCriminal2334 1 month ago
@TheCriminal2334 The good guys are for equality and are capable of differentiated thinking.
lunamamaya 4 weeks ago
@SystemEquation How can it be a "narcissist's club revolving around their sex organs," when feminists can have either male or female genitalia (and everything in between)?
junipermama1 4 weeks ago
@SystemEquation nn.....noo?, it's only decreasing among white middle class women. between 80-90 percent of non white women working for miminum wage consider themselves feminists. two words. saudi....arabia. read a newspaper.
ardraneala 1 week ago
This is an amazing video and summary of my beliefs but with an awesome accent, I wish I knew more guys like you - I argue with males on a daily basis at school and you just won every debate in just over 2 minutes. Amazing.
LessOffensive 1 month ago
So what feminst blogs are you reading? I've been doing a lot reading and even the most man friendly feminists don't really deal with men's issues at all. Say if they are talking about sexism in the media and how women are judged on their looks. A guy will make a totaly fair comment how as men are also really badly judged and ridiculed on the way they look, why make the article about women?Then cue 20 comments replying "what about the menz." Not enough characters remaining to say what I want to
MayAllMyDelusions 1 month ago
@MayAllMyDelusions You're right. Feminism is about equal rights and empowerment for women - not men. It would be unrealistic to expect otherwise. But that doesn't mean feminism is a man-hating movement either. There is a need for a men's movement, but that doesn't mean that MRAs have to be anti-feminist.
prschuster 3 weeks ago
Thank you for this.
Lavandermmoss 1 month ago
ah go back to your knitting love
OutOnBailNow 1 month ago
What the hell does feminism have to do with LGBT rights?
Mectrixctic 1 month ago 3
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- "What the hell does feminism have to do with LGBT rights?"
Feminism uses us as human shields. That's about it.
InevitableTowers 1 month ago
Thank you very much for putting the finger on the difference between "feminism" and the female supremacy movement. I understand which paradigm you are talking about, but the term "feminism" is terribly wrong in my opinion. I never saw a feminist fight for male rights in my whole life. Feminists fight for female privileges nowadays, not for, say, sewer work safety. I think you are talking about the equal rights movement or tolerance in general - which are both great, of course.
photoallergic 1 month ago
"There is a huge disproportionate amount of rape and sexual harassment towards women in out society." Stop right there! You just spouted a complete lie without even knowing it. What about prison rape? It is committed by men against men at a far greater incident rate than rape is reported in greater society. So how can you say that a disproportionate amount of that particular crime happens to women? When you include all the numbers men are raped more often than women.
GHZealot 1 month ago 11
@GHZealot And also, most of paedophila is against boys, not girls.
AlekNovy 1 month ago
@GHZealot 15%–20% of women in the U.S. are victims of sexual assault. Only about 3% of people in the U.S. are even IN prison, and only about 2% of those are estimated to be victims of sexual assault. So although its possible (and not verified) that prison rape may happen at a higher incidence rate that in the general population, fewer individuals are effected by it. Which is what I was trying to get at: that more women (when there are women "available") are at risk of sexual assault.
RitchandFamous 4 weeks ago
also the men who get raped in prison are usually chosen either because they are feminine, or because they are weaker or have lower status or committed a crime that most criminals find distasteful and are effectively being targets for punishment, which backs up the whole notion that rape is about abusing the powerless and that women and children are more likely to be assaulted because of pre-existing imbalances in power. love your videos.
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@RitchandFamous it's also important to remember that the gap between male and female rape victims is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller in child sexual abuse.
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@GHZealot Outside of the prison system, sexual assault against men is rare. Within the prison system, men rape men because of an absence of female victims. Rape is as common for male prisoners as it is for women who aren't in prison (about 1 in 3). Rape is NOT more common for men, no matter how you look at it.
junipermama1 4 weeks ago
@junipermama1 "about 1 in 3" You really must be joking. One in three women are not raped that is an even worse lie than one in four women, which has been proven to be false by the way and not because it did not portray enough women as victims either. It was false because one in four was way more women than had actually been affected by rape. You just stay in your little "every man is a potential rapist" bubble though. Don't go outside we will get you!
GHZealot 3 weeks ago
1 in 6 rape victims is female. If I see a women being raped in the street, I'd just continue walking as if nothing ever happened. This is how feminists go about when rape hits males. I'm serious, I'll keep walking.
startxxx1991 1 month ago 3
@startxxx1991 It may be that only 1 in 6 rape victims are female if you count prison rape, but it's also true that at least 5 in 6 rapists are male. Why would you seriously ignore a female rape victim when the woman may not even be a feminist in the first place? You must have resentment against all women. Why? Because you have issues with feminists who ignore rape of males, so you have no compassion for any female victim?
prschuster 3 weeks ago
@prschuster Demanding protection for females from me just because I am a male is initiating violence against males.
startxxx1991 3 weeks ago
@startxxx1991 Gee, you don't have to be a hero if you see violence against a woman on the street. Just call 911. No one expects you to put yourself in danger to rescue someone from an assault.
prschuster 3 weeks ago
@prschuster Your expectations, your problems. Call 911 for yourself.
startxxx1991 3 weeks ago
@startxxx1991 Like whatever dude. I have no expectations of you then.
prschuster 3 weeks ago
@prschuster The problem with society is the false sense of entitlement some people have, as the general case shows most people still expect males to cater to women's needs, selflessly...
startxxx1991 3 weeks ago
How about if someone rapes you every day when you're a little child, and then becomes a feminist celebrity? I've seen it happen. Pedophile females find harbor in feminism. The name will come out soon. Feminists forgot to check who they bring on board and who they let lead.
startxxx1991 1 month ago
Feminist of today are a joke. I truly do not understand how anyone would choose to be a feminist. I'm convinced they have a concentration camp where they brainwash people and send them out into the world.
natashaTbird777 1 month ago
@natashaTbird777 You've discovered our evil plot. We lock people in cold rooms with dirt floors and deprive them of food and water. We play Ani DiFranco and Storm Large really loudly and wait for the message to take hold of their weakened minds.
junipermama1 4 weeks ago
@natashaTbird777 LOL!!!
J0k3r4U 2 weeks ago
feminism is the idea that the genders are equal and that we therefore should focus on the issues of only one of them.
Sivels 1 month ago 5
I feel sorry for you, feminist boy.
wclac 1 month ago 2
The funny thing is that I've seen a dozen dictionaries. Not one defines it this way :D
These femmies might actually look into an actual dictionary before they repeat like canned zombie "by the dictionary definition bla bla bla". Most dictionaries even do include the qualifies "for women" or "women's special interests" (etc... etc)... No definition says "ONLY equality".
AlekNovy 1 month ago 2
feminism its not for equality .. "THINK?"
Aleboy88 1 month ago
You're right that feminism isn't FOR women only (as there are male feminists) but it is certainly ABOUT women only.
theignoredgender 1 month ago 20
@theignoredgender I'm not sure that a movement about creating equality between two groups can only be about one.
RitchandFamous 1 month ago
@RitchandFamous
Well the idea is that feminism tries to make it seem as if only women are oppressed so therefore the only way to be equal is to focus on women because men don't face oppression or discrimination of any kind, so there is no need to focus on men.
theignoredgender 1 month ago 4
@RitchandFamous Because Feminism IS only about one group. They've never held any sort of benefit for men, nor awareness of violations of men's rights, like divorce courts and the biased over-representation and misinterpretation of rape statistics, and the systematic criminalization of heterosexuality. Violations of men's rights never come to the table for discussion in hate-groups like Feminism.
TheCriminal2334 1 month ago
@TheCriminal2334 Feminism is a victim of its own success. And is has structural problems:
- Feminism is ideologically incoherent. There are unlimited definitions from unlimited sources (dictionary to "in my opinion").
- Feminism tortures logic by assuming that all men are more or less equal to each other. It ignores the economic inequalities among men. (Feminists don't want to be equal to working class men.)
Feminism is today based on narcissism and resentment of men.
SystemEquation 1 month ago
@SystemEquation it's called intersectional feminism and ...you're wrong.
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@ardraneala "Intersectional feminism" (theoretical) is just intellectual masturbation. Feminist Activists (real life) do not support causes that show that the vast majority of men are not elites but working class grunts with shitty pay, shitty healthcare, and shitty respect in society.
Feminism is quite elitist in that it only looks to ELITE men as the yardstick of equality, never seeing the fellow exploited men around them (the majority of men).
SystemEquation 2 weeks ago 2
@SystemEquation why wouldn’t u use elites as a yardstick for equality? are you saying that elite status is somehow inherent in society? Isn’t that anti egalitarian? and no actually they don't, all gender analysis I’ve ever been exposed to in academia has compared men and women of the same income bracket, ability, race and cultural background. they compare Latin, black, disabled women and men and find a gap between the genders.
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@SystemEquation The gap between middle class or greater men and women is the smallest gap between the genders. The data does not support the claim that men have generally lower health care, lower salaries and respect is a nebulous, non definable quality that can’t be studied, and ergo you cannot provide evidence of.
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@SystemEquation This is my personal problem with a type of feminism that seems to concentrate only on intellectualising and rationalizing a perception of “disrespect for their sex” instead of facts. The facts do support that women are at least disadvantaged in the public sphere. These are not studies by feminist organisations unless u think the united nations or statistics Canada, or the police are “feminist”.
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@SystemEquation The income gap goes as such, comparing men and women divided into races. This was a controlled study that found that men and women of equal ability had income disparities that could not be explained by other factors. This was a study to measure earning POTENTIAL... and not about access(which would significantly drop black persons standing) .
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@SystemEquation The earning potential progression in the united states went: white men (small gap) black men (smaller gap) white women(very small gap) Chinese women(large gap) Chinese men(large gap) latin men(huge gap) latin women
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@SystemEquation notice that chinese women have higher status in western countries than chinese men. this is where intersectional theory comes into play. I did a lab on chinese masculinity in western culture and what seems to be true is that in western society chinese men are believed to be more submissive and less masculine which makes it more likely for them to be passed over for promotion and pay raises in the work place.
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@SystemEquation id also like to point out that feminist activist lobby for many different causes and from what ive learned in my studies of the topic is that they often do not succeed in changing legislature. What changed legislature around gender is information gathered by social scientists. theory and intellectual "masturbation" as a much higher influence on policy and law than so called feminist activists.
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@ardraneala lol
feminism *is* "intellectual masturbation". Sorry :)
aIyshooting 2 weeks ago
@aIyshooting it's sad that you think theory and thought are equivalent to wanking.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala biased thinking and thought experiments have absolutely no scientific merit and are therefore nothing more than, in your own words, "intellectual masturbation".
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting what biased thinking? thought experiments? you mean behaviour psychology? if u don’t believe in science then that's fine. If you find abstract thinking difficult and threatening, that's fine. good luck in your life then lol
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala psychology is not science. please don't insult real scientists.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting LOL!!! ....no really...laugh my fucking ass off. psychology students do labs. they collect data. they do controlled double blind tests. they have peer reviewed articles. they are excepted as part of standard medicine. holy shit.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@aIyshooting psychologists have PHD's.... do YOU have a PHD ? are you a "real" scientist? are you saying that schizophrenia was invented by philosophers? so the known effects of aging on the brain and Alzheimer’s, dementia, reading disabilities, dyslexia ...are all made up? I've worked on data input for a psychology grad student. you dont know what you're talking about.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala abstract thinking... lol you wish - you wouldn't know the meaning of it.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting ..prove it...with science...
ardraneala 1 week ago
@aIyshooting my observation is that a lot of the people who call themselves anti feminist or men's movement activists dont actually HELP anyone... So i fail to see how feminists out in the world working at shelters, supporting human rights in places like iran and china, are partaking in something "intellectual" and not...ppphhysical??? U know whats masturbatory? arguing on the internet.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala so now you're defining a feminist to be someone who works in iran or china? how does that make sense?
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting no im not, i do not define a singular type of person in any context. we are all varied human beings. feminists work in iran and china. feminists also just troll on their computer. some men's rights activists help men, some just troll on their computers.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@SystemEquation most social scientists, whether they are male or female, are at least feminist-like, because they are constantly exposed to the data that qualifies and quantifies the systemic oppression of females by their male counterparts, throughout cultures, classes and races.a social scientist and a feminist are not the same thing, and a social scientist has waaay more clout when they are called upon to provide information when governments and judges make decisions.
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@ardraneala do you have ANY sources to back up ANY claims that you are making?
aIyshooting 2 weeks ago
@aIyshooting too large a body over a couple of years.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@RitchandFamous Unlike most MRAs, I am very pro-feminist. But you must be realistic about the fact that feminism does not address men's issues. It doesn't deal with issues of joint custody, boys falling behind in school, rape of male prisoners, tendency to believe the woman's story in cases of domestic violence... etc. It's just the nature of politics for people to be one-sided. That's why there is a need for both a men's movement & feminism.
prschuster 3 weeks ago
Sexual Harassment is all about somebody's reaction. That's the problem with it. So maybe more women are "victims" of it because they are more likely to take offense at a comment that was never meant to be offensive in the first place. You can say something to person A and they won't be offended but say the same thing to person B and they will be offended.
Besides, our society is more concerned with "not offending women" than it is about violence against men.
theignoredgender 1 month ago 7
If feminism was really for both genders then how come they aren't doing anything about the fact that men have higher standards for the fitness tests to become police officers, that men make up nearly 100% of all work-related deaths, that only women get freebies and discounts for their gender, that women are not required to register for selective service but men are, and the fact that even though men die on average 6 years earlier than women, more funding goes into women's health research?
theignoredgender 1 month ago 6
@theignoredgender the last one is because 95 percent of labs studies are done on male mice. u know that whole take aspirin thing when u have a heart attack? not affective in women. and no one knew. so women died that didn't have to because no one cares to study drug effects on females. careful analysis has found that women and minorities are consistently downgraded during job interviews. so they are trying to compensate. It's not like there are no reasons for these decisions.
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@theignoredgender women out live men for biological reasons. second, wtf? u have a problem with men dying more on the job while ALSO having a problem with initiatives that make it easier for women to qualify for more dangerous jobs? how are we supposed to fix that issue? that's the problem with people like u ..u are so hell bent on complaining. u have no helpful input into how to solve problems. at least affirmative action outlines the issue and put in policy to combat it.
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@ardraneala
More funding and attention going into women's health has nothing to with it?
Why should anyone make it easier for a woman to qualify for a job? What happened to equality? Oh I forgot, when discrimination works in favor of women, it's okay.
Affirmative action is legal discrimination. Equal Opportunity and equal outcomes are not the same thing.
theignoredgender 2 weeks ago
@theignoredgender More funding and attention going into women's health has nothing to with it?
I dont believe what 'makes sense' to my subjective reasoning. i believe data and science. So no i dont think thats it. women naturally out live men if they survive pregnancy. Look up the biology of it. they do, however suffer more often from chronic illnesses, like autoimmune diseases, for which there are no known causes or cures, which may warrant more funding.
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@theignoredgender The reasons why women suffer more from autoimmune diseases is presumed to be related to their hormones. in order for women and men to get equal healthcare, women need more funding. There is a long history of medical research from mens health while women’s health didn’t become relevant until the last hundred years. Women also need more funding because our bodies are more complex.
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@theignoredgender The reason why male mice are used more for studies is because they dont undergo hormonal shifts so researchers prefer them because it produces more consistent results. Often things that are proven to work on male mice do not work on female mice, or are less effective, thus rendering them useless on human women. This results in poorer health care for females.
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@theignoredgender Now im arguing with this notion theoretically, but im not sure how womens health gets more funding. Most health issues can effect both men and women. And considering men do not undergo childbirth, which is a major cause of death and disability in women, i dont see what equivalent would need funding or why that wouldnt result in women needing more health care. what if the demand for healthcare is higher in women?
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@theignoredgender Also i have to point out that say studying heart disease can be seen as a gender neutral issue but when u do the lab research on male mice, it results in the treatment for the disease to be male specific.
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@theignoredgender Why should anyone make it easier for a woman to qualify for a job?...umm because that would mean more women could get dangerous jobs? you JUST said that men dying more in dangerous jobs in important to you. how does dying more on the job work in favour of women?, behavioural studies have proven that if your employer is male, and you are female, you will not have "equal opportunity" people naturally preference their own race or gender or belief system.
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@theignoredgender Having mostly women hiring results in discrimination against males, and vice versa. so until we have equal amounts of men and women hiring men and women, we will not have equal opportunity. this is what affirmative action is trying to fix. This is why male applicants have preferential treatment when looking for jobs in as nurses or in child care.
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@ardraneala male applicants receive preferential treatment when looking for jobs in child care? Are you on drugs?
Could you please post evidence of preferential treatment being given to men in these professions? I'll need actual accredited sources - not some gibberish you found on a feminist/hate website.
aIyshooting 2 weeks ago
@aIyshooting drugs? maybe.. they initially are discriminated against, then there is affirmative action to counter this discrimination. I took social sciences and psychology in university and wrote some finals on masculinities. I provided the sources in that paper. It is everyones OWN responsibility to enlighten themselves to the facts. I also do not read feminist websites and am non partisan (within reason). I support both the mens’ movement and feminisms right to exist.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala nope. you don't. here you have argued FOR feminist corrective measures like affirmative action by falsely claiming that affirmative action is being used to bring men into certain female dominated fields. When prompted for sources, you refuse. You're a L-I-A-R.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting yes i refuse to walk to the library at 4 am and break into it so i can find the source to prove to some idiot on youtube im not "making it up". YOU decided i was making it up because YOU choose not to believe it. not because you have and provide info to the contrary. but just because. I didn't argue for anything, i just explained WHY to keep things realistic. and it isn't feminist corrective measures, feminists advocate, you are confused about how the system works.
ardraneala 1 week ago
u dont think its a tad bit irrational to expect that i keep my notes from like a year or two ago next to my computer while im trolling the internet? or that just because i dont i must be a omgomg a LIAR gasp.... doesn't strike you as slightly hyperbolic...just a tad? anyway. this was fun ^_^ *mental note, in order to voice opinions and share my knowledge i am required to at all times carry a large book of references.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@aIyshooting most women who consider themselves feminists have less than stellar access to computers to begin with, let alone run websites. what's with all the white middle upper class biased thinking, anti-feminists? There's a big world out there.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala oh? got a source for that assertion? don't know how many times you have to be asked.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting why are u talking to me like im an idiot and owe you something? are you so lazy that you can't educate yourself?
ardraneala 1 week ago
@aIyshooting seriously, most of the best info in the world is not on the net. I could make up a name. if i gave you an actual source u wouldn't be able to find it without leaving your house and your computer.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@aIyshooting if the study was controlled and conducted scientifically, being referenced by a feminist or men’s movement activist or even misinterpreted (as is so often the case with both) makes the interpreter mistaken and does not mean the study itself is invalid and cant be used.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala what study?
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting *face palm*
ardraneala 1 week ago
@aIyshooting apparently you have a huge library in your basement. I unfortunately, have to use the public reference library to get my data.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala again, more excuses from someone who can't back up what she's saying.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting world health organization: “Male nurses are preferred in the tribal areas, particularly in areas with difficult access,” says Chaudhary. Some states have taken initiatives to promote male nurses. For example, Maharashtra State has reserved 20% of places in its nursing colleges for male students.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala posting some edge case concerning the preferred use of male nurses in tribal areas because they can double as cannon fodder does not prove that male nurses are being given preference in general. Not only is this anecdotal, but it makes you look like a moron because you seem to think that the men here are benefactors when the reality is that they are being recruited to go into unsafe areas. Fuck you.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting i feel for you.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala ["i feel for you."]
shut up.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting trolling with ma hommies
ardraneala 1 week ago
@aIyshooting whaa? i provided two examples,the one about the tribes you're going to believe, in your own interpretation, at least long enough so u can distort it to be something disadvantageous for males, but ignore the other one because you think it's exceptional? shouldn't both be invalid? u make no sense.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala the one about the tribes made you look especially bad. It was a double whammy against you, so I took the pleasure of demolishing you with it. :)
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting demolishing? what is wrong with you lol
ardraneala 1 week ago
@aIyshooting from minority nurse: Today, however, the nursing profession is working hard to dispel these old misconceptions and make up for lost time. Nursing school deans, faculty and male nursing leaders are developing innovative, stereotype-busting recruitment strategies in the hopes of eventually making the number of men in nursing more comparable to the number of women
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala I have no idea where this policy is being carried out. Once again, this is not a valid source. This sounds like an op-ed piece to me without any backing other than the writer's own hearsay.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting what i read: "because i am ignorant, it is not valid" .......because "this sounds like this to me and therefore, must be" is totally logical to you.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala I said the burden of proof is on you. I also pointed out the irrelevance of a lot of what you cited. Didn't realize this was now an animal rights issue.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting animal rights? huh???
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala yes animal rights, you did post some quote about experimentation on male animals, remember? lol
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting that had nothing to do with animal rights.....
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala it had nothing to do with anything, apparently.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting no, someone had said that women's health got more funding in science, and i was saying that I dont think that's true, given that most gender neutral issues are studied on male mice, which renders the resulting treatments male specific, meaning that human women cannot use the results, which makes the statement that men get worse healthcare questionable.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@aIyshooting and it wasn't a quote, i was referring you to the actual article and the name of the author...lol somehow i get the feeling that next you'll be arguing that the animal rights of male mice are being violated or something and blame feminism for it somehow.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala pointless response here, you're just attempting to strawman me now.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting i am looking at a men in healthcare scolarshop next to a women in healthcare scholarship. from nature.com :Many researchers avoid using female animals. Stringent measures should consign this prejudice to the past, argue Irving Zucker and Annaliese Beery, in the third piece of three on gender bias in biomedicine.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala I don't recall discussing male/female animals with you. Not sure why you're bringing that up.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting you never specified which part you wanted me to "prove" also you dont outline how to do it when youtube doesn't allow us to post links, the articles ive paid to read on science journals you'd have to fork out 40 bucks to read, or go to the library and have me specifically list what page and what paragraph. It is completely illogical to ask for references here. Y can't you grasp this?
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala if you can't source your claims, then don't make 'em. Simple.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting "their feelings are legitimate and justified" buuut i have to prove everything that i say to some random? I can and have sourced them, once again, in appropriate contexts.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@aIyshooting Inclusion of women in clinical trials--policies for population subgroups
Colameco S, Becker LA, Simpson M. Sex bias in the assessment of patient complaints.
The female-to-male ratio of Sjögren syndrome is 9:1
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala I don't recall having any discussion about "Sjögren syndrome". Not sure why you're posting that.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting because context is important?
ardraneala 1 week ago
@aIyshooting the rest of the studies are hardcopy and either are in with my notes or have been destroyed. some of them you have to pay to access online. some of them were in books i dont own.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@aIyshooting "What's Wrong With Me?: The Frustrated Patient's Guide to Getting an Accurate Diagnosis." outlines some statistics about womens health that are alligned to some of the things ive said. "According to the American Autoimmune and
Related Diseases Foundation ,as many as fifty million Americans
(75 percent of them women) may suffer from autoimmune disorders," "doctors almost unanimously agree that autoimmune diseases are the most elusive and difficult to diagnose/treat"
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala ["Doctors almost unanimously agree"]
That's someone's opinion. Dismissed as hyperbole.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting no, she interviewed doctors.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@aIyshooting i cant find the site i was looking at the other week comparing male and females with disabilities...sigh... but they are much less liekly to be employed, educated, and when they are employed, are more likely to work lower wages. they are less likely to marry, to gain independence, and more likely to be abused than males with disabilities. males with disabilities are abused more than able bodied males. some states are on public health dot com.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala ["i cant find the site"]
Then I'll ignore your claims.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting yeah after like how many messages?
ardraneala 1 week ago
@aIyshooting THIS is why there needs to be targeting of people based on gender in situations where it makes sense. saying "we should just help PEOPLE with disabilities get jobs" is good in concept but we know that for some reason, the females of the group are getting less access to that help.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala Ignored because you can't find any sources.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting u aren't ignoring me....you...what??
ardraneala 1 week ago
@theignoredgender u conveniently ignore the fact that there are areas where affirmative action works in male applicants favour. anti –feminist men are more concerned with protecting their more typically masculine areas of employment then they are about helping men who want to be employed in more typically feminine careers. Men are not treated the same when applying for care giving positions, because of stereotypes about men's lack of empathy and ability to nurture.
ardraneala 2 weeks ago
@ardraneala you just contradicted yourself.
You said earlier that men are given preferential treatment in care giving positions but now you're claiming that men are not given preferential treatment for said positions because they're neither empathetic nor nurturing.
You make no sense and the few times you do, you're making assertions without giving a shred of evidence. No sources, nothing. Zip. Nada.
aIyshooting 2 weeks ago
@aIyshooting there is no contradiction. what has been found is that men are less likely to be hired WITHOUT affirmative action in those fields because of stereotypes. In order to combat this, certain organizations have specifically targeted males to become nurses or grade school teachers. I dont have to provide sources on the internet, no one else here was required to do so, i have other things to do.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala you don't have to provide sources? perfect. consider yourself refuted. Bye :)
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting i provided sources, in my papers, at university, in the proper context, around peers who were similarly informed. so no i dont have to provide anything here, its youtube. lol yeah ok, cause you've provided lots of your own sources. If you asked me to provide evidence of evolution ill have the same response. read...a fucking..book..
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala i don't care if you say you provided sources and wrote papers. you can SAY whatever you like, it's called "hearsay".
And i don't have to provide sources you fuckwit, the burden of proof is on you. you're the idiot making the claims and assertions. lol, you moron.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting because u dont seem to know what it means. refute: to PROVE to be wrong. seriously. so a moderate person who is actually educated in a subject has to provide constant evidence while hard headed loud mouths who are full of negativity have no burden of proof set on them what so ever?
ardraneala 1 week ago
@ardraneala you're the hard-headed loud mouth. I simply called you out on all the nonsense you were asserting and demanded you show proof. You can't - at one point you outright refused - which means you've been refuted.
Look up "burden of proof" you nitwit.
aIyshooting 1 week ago
@aIyshooting im not hard headed at all, im actually known for being a waffler. prove it was nonsense. who are you to demand? who are you to say i can't just because i just dont care to? *looks up burden of proof" the duty of proving a disputed charge.... a duty? to who? why? i dispute all the assertions i read on this guys video before i posted, they did not provide proof either. i dispute your assertion that im a "liar" etc. so prove it.
ardraneala 1 week ago
@aIyshooting i....am trying to point out the irony in the way your responding...but i think it's not getting through >_>
ardraneala 1 week ago
@aIyshooting if u were to provide me proof of ANY of the claims anti feminists make id believe it. .....well no, i can't say that, i'd believe it until i found some further evidence that negated what i previously "believed". i was anti feminist until i started to actually research social structure. just like i used to believe in god.
ardraneala 1 week ago