I hate what they've done to our people... but then... if they didn't do it, someone else would have... I wish things were different... i want our people to have power once again. I want us to be strong. i want our culture back, our language, our LAND. i want HAWAI'I to be given BACK to the HAWAIIANS.
she also played Pocahontas in The New World. She is a beautiful actress who often plays indigenous princesses who changed the course of history. I could not imagine a better career.
people say america is never bias or anything, but stories like this were never taught to me in school until i went out and actually research. it is stories like this that makes me want to be a journalist.
If I recall correctly, there was no even romance in the history books regarding Princess Kaiulani. It was a ploy for the producers to to market it to the mainland market, instead of it being considered a 'documentary', its now considered a 'romance'. Thats why its 'based' on the real story.
Hawaii may be a U.S. state, but it rich in its own culture. A lovely island filled with amazing people and an almost haunting past. I think it is one of the greatest places to live in in the whole world.
@Frantzu Check out The New World which came out in 2005 directed by Terrence Malick. Kilcher plays Pocahontas in that movie and Colin Farrel is John Smith, Christian Bale is John Rolfe. The first time I saw the movie I thought it was ok and a little dragged out but watching it again i've realized the movie is pure poetry and truly a work of art. The romance is great albeit a little inaccurate but better compared to a lot of other movies they put out.
Beautiful movie. I think that she did a great job with the acting but the only thing that bothered me and my family is that she is not Hawaiian. She doesn't even really like Hawaiian. It would have been nice if they had gotten a Hawaiian or atleast a Polynesian for the part. I understand why they can't though, considering how they're's not too much of us. But still I would've liked the movie a little better if they did get a true Hawaiian.
@EhnaRivekan I would have liked the movie better if they didn't have so much of the corny love story between her and the English dude. Otherwise the movie was good and interesting. I think Q'orianka Kilcher is a great actress. She did a fine job in The New World also. I agree that it would have been nice if the movie had cast a Native Hawaiian but I've become something of a fan of Kilcher, not only because of her acting but of how she has been active for the rights of Native South Americans.
Why did I not hear of this movie before? I only ran into it when looking at the dvd shelf at the library. Did it come out in 2010 and was it shown in a good deal of American theaters?
@Bootstataboots dude taht is my question! What the hell!? I wanted to watch this movie when it came out in theatres!!! But i barely stumbled across it a month ago. All the good movies pass by without warning.... ;(
the movie seemed great but truthfully im a little disappointed in how hollywood adds in things that aren't true. like for example her love life. no one knows if she did or didnt have a relationship in england.i think when producers or movie makers want to make a really good movie they should go with what REALLY happen.it makes the viewers think oh it's just like anyother princess movie.NO!. im polynesian and i know waayy more than what they do.especially my people in hawaii.
Turns out Hollywood can indeed make films entertaining to modern audiences without sex, violence or, for that matter, buffoonish bathtroom humor or depressing angsty drama-- apparently it just takes some creativity and good story-telling. Great movie-- see it on kookíca and you'll leave it happy!
it irritates me when people call Hawaiian history "American history"..and call the Hawaiian monarchy "America's only royal family"...i'm almost certain that all the monarchs would be insulted to be called "American monarchs".
After finding out about this part of American history, I did not like Dole pineapples. Kaiulani is one of the princesses in the royal diaries series. That;s where I first learned about her, and it is a sad story... but she is a great example to stand up for our countries.
Remember that its BASED off the true story its not a documentary. So writers added some "Hollywood" to make it more appealing to other. I watched the movie, its was a great movie. Didn't care too much for the romance. Overall Great Movie.
This was a terrible movie. It did no justice to Ka'iulani or her story and even took the liberty of making things up out of thin air. That ankle-fondling creep you see in the trailer, for instance--he didn't even exist in real life. Their whole relationship is trumped up to take up more than half the movie, and there isn't any real depth to it. The writing is dumbed-down, the acting is melodramatic and weak, and the music is tinny. This movie has nothing going for it.
@Hippodameia Hollywood loves romance, As viewers, it is unfortunate that we do too. Thus, Hollywood embellishes "real-life" romances in all their movies "based on a true story" so that they are more interesting and entertaining. I don't think it's a bad thing though. At least the greater America now knows the general story a pivotal point in Hawaii's history.
Um I just love that she played Pocahontas & now she's playing Kaiulani. Too funny lol. Go girl. I wanna see this movie. Is it out on DVD or is gonna play in Theaters?
Can't wait to see the movie.... so not getting in this debate.... like all history it's not pretty lots of it was cruel and without justice, but we must learn from it and be a stronger person
this movie looks junk & looks lyk its gunna piss me off. or jus be irraz. & every1 jus needs 2 shut up & chill. LIGHT 1 UP 4 DA HAWAIIANZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awesome. cant wait to watch this. I wish one day they will make a movie about us polys travelling on the first boat to the south pacific. that would be in equivalent today as travelling to Mars.
Every time I look into the "American History" is always makes me feel ashamed to be American... All those disgusting immigrants from Britain taking over land by war and overthrow. But that's what ya get from HIStory.
It was a hardball world in which you now benefit. When you look at past history you can not apply today's genteel morality to another time and era. You must get into the mindset of the time. Another way to look at it would be, if all the electric power went off, what would the world look like? Think about it.
you can look into the history of any country and find terrible things. some worse than others. the usa is relatively young, so it has less history. i don't think its history is that bad.
To my fellow Hawaiians I been reading some of the comments left in here by Non-Hawns and I must say Please just let it go. We do no Honor to Our Princess or Ourselves by bickering back and forth with them. Especially under a video for a movie that is in its own way meant to Honor Her & Us. B/c u know as well as I do that there is always going to be someone with an opinion. Let's not debase ourselves for their entertainment. We know who we are as a people. Let that be enough for now.
@MySide808 it seems like when there is a beautiful women in a non white culture they create a story which ends up in a movie like Kaiulani and associate the woman with a white american guy. i guess they feel they are entitled to do anything they want. pathetic. glad i'm not white
Man back in the day Europeans sure did love to call people with darker skin "barbarians", when they were the ones who were truly barbaric. Ugh pisses me off still! lol.. This looks like it will be a good movie. :-)
does anyone know why my comment was removed? E Kanaka Maoli! We know our history. Let this ignorant person make ignorant comments! We know who our kupuna were. We know the struggles they went through! We know the stregnth of Kanaka Maoli! THEY should look back in history to see who the real savages and barbarians were. Everything "wrong" the Hawaiians did, the Westerners did ten times worse. They want to judge our history? They should learn theirs first! Who are the savages? THEY ARE!
@kidsoljah yep. come hawaiians, we all know the history. its burned deep in our hearts. these haoles know nothing bout the aloha spirit. we in the islands do. just ignore them ok kanakas. we know, they dont. tke care and aloha
you also continue to prove my point that you are no different than the bigoted colonizers who thought that only they could be right. What torturing or execution in Hawaii are you talking about? I think you got that confused with the torture perpetuated by America that went on in Abu Graib, or maybe the torture that went on in Guantanamo, or How about ruby ridge? Maybe Waco Texas? If you live in a glass house, maybe you shouldnt throw stones
do you mean the civilized America that was one of the last to give up slavery and only recently gave people of color the right to vote? Or do you mean the America that traded guns for drugs and sold them to their own citizens on the street? (look up the Iran-Contra affair) Or maybe the America that is now giving the police the authority to detain without warrant "suspicious" people in Arizona(how many hispanics will be detained vs. perhaps illegal Brits or Canadians)
Haha, why am I not surprised by that comment? "Pagans with crazy culture"Its obvious you know nothing about our culture and are no different than the original bigoted colonizers that took whatever they wanted based upon divine right or manifest destiny. Thanks for bringing "civilization" and Christianity to us pagans. Thanks especially for the diseases and greed you brought. Oh, and not to mention the ILLEGAL overthrow of the government and attempting to squash our culture.
@psyclox808 The descendants of the missionaries that ILLEGALLY overthrew Lili'uokalani acted in an un-Christian manner! And as for being an American, I honestly believe that the Hawaiian people are owed much more than an apology by the US. Our people were robbed and stripped of our culture. That person has no idea what our kupuna went through and how much pain they suffered just to preserve our culture; a culture that many tourist love to use and abuse! Sorry, I never mean to get "ea" on here!
@psyclox808 I agree! Those who choose to make comments should choose to make educated comments! How dare he/she call my ancestors pagans and our beautiful culture crazy. Apparently, that person has a very eurocentric way of thinking! Perhaps, he/she should read the history of the kanaka maoli to realize that the Hawaiians of old WERE civilized! They however are just the "Noble Savage" that gets blamed for every wrong, every sin the white man committed! I am a Christian American.
@kidsoljah To have our Queen thrown into prison was utterly disgusting! How was it treason? To whom? I am Hawaiin! Kanaka Maoli! I am Proud! Hawaii is "My Country" Hawaii belongs to no one! She has her own people and language, her own culture. We are a Nation. I will fight to the death for my people. It is time for Hawaiian leaders to stop fighting over who will rule the Native Hawaiian Nation. Let all of Hawaii and her people be united. It is not about power but about preservation.
@psyclox808 Godless Pagans who dont recognize individual human rights and instead rule by divine authority in their kings, torturing or executing their people at will for superstitious bullshit reasons...
@psyclox808 mmmm. . . wonder if the baby women ya tossed into the volcanos would agree. . human sacrifice is pretty much down played, too . let me guess in your revisionist history, hawaiaans were just happy fishers sitting around pounding poi and making leis for luaus. . did ya forget the constand warring between kings lol , and you conveniently omit time and place. , what was the world like in the 1890's you look through 2010 hindsight as though those people had our knowledge.
@curatrix2008 What knowledge do you have of Hawaiian history or culture? Did you learn watching the Brady Bunch? Because this revisionist history you talk about sure does sound like what was promoted in the 40's and 50's. Hawaiians sitting around pounding poi and making leis. Maybe you should try to learn more instead of remaining ignorant. FACT-Hawaii was stolen. Thats what this is about. America was far more barbaric in its recent history than Hawaii ever was if thats what you want to debate
@curatrix2008 if someone comes to your house, kills your wife then threatens to kill your children and points a gun to your head to make you sign over the deed to your home...is that not still stealing.?
@curatrix2008 heres a quote from then US president Grover Cleveland "I instructed Minister Willis to advise the Queen and her supporters of my desire to aid in the restoration of the status existing before the lawless landing of the United States forces at Honolulu on the 16th of January last, if such restoration could be effected upon terms providing for clemency as well as justice to all parties concerned." Its you who need to get your facts straight
@curatrix2008The US government originally demanded that the queen be reinstated following the original blount report. When faced with pressure from congress a second investigation was made known as the morgan report. This strangely contradicted the original report and said the overthrow was legal. So to answer your question...Greed on the part of congress, and not wanting to bow to the "barbaric" people of Hawaii. Thats why he didnt do more
@curatrix2008 If thats not enough how about the apology resolution of 1993 which
..."acknowledges that the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii occurred with the active participation of agents and citizens of the United States and further acknowledges that the Native Hawaiian people never directly relinquished to the United States their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people over their national lands" Look it up....translation. Stolen.
remember killer king kamehameha the liar, enticed his rival then murdered him and stole his land and power - he did that without the permission of that kings permission or the permission of his subjects..
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I suppose those baby women you barbaric fools lied to and then tossed in the volcano wanted to give up their lives
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you have a long and bloody history that you just ignore
@curatrix2008 theres no arguing with you if you cannot accept the truth of the matter. its not necessarily bad or good...just the truth. You honestly believe Hawaii gave up its sovereignty willingly? I suppose the native Americans really wanted give up their lands, go to reservations and be given small pox infected blankets according to you.
@psyclox808 when you have the truth laid out in front of you and remain in denial you'll never evolve or win. So, stop lying to yourself.
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I suppose the native americans wanted to give up their land the same what that your the people under the king KILLER KING KAMEHAMEHA LIED TO, MURDERED AND STOLE POWER AND LAND FROM.
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I suppose those baby women you barbaric fools lied to and then tossed in the volcano wanted to give up their lives
@curatrix2008 ok, now you just sound infantile. Are you 12 years old?What are you talking about? the truth that Hawaii was stolen? Because that was true. The truth that wars were fought in order to unite Hawaii by Kamehameha? That was true, as well as his rule that the commoners be left alone and only the warriors fight the wars. I suppose the blacks you lied to, enslaved and only recently gave the right to vote to ( which was only passed in 1965) wasnt barbaric either? Whats your argument?
@psyclox808 the queen signed it over. The document with her signature exists.
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to your next point, hawaii was united with the U.S. as you seem to think it was ok for killer king kamehameha to do. he didn't get the consent of the subjects of the other king.
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i supposed just as barbaric as the incent hawaiians loved so much and as barbaraic as tossing baby women into volcanos for superstitions
@psyclox808 I suppose your argument would have some merit, if hawaiians didn't also embrace a violent, conquesting culture with some barbaric aspects.
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but now you sound just plain demented
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IT'S OK FOR US HAWNS TO MURDER, KILL LIE DO BARBARIC ACTS.
@curatrix2008 a violent conquesting culture? Have I ever said that there weren't wars or sacrifices made? Has there been a race of people that didnt go to war? No, but if we are comparing, Hawaii has not even come close to the barbarism shown by the US government that has continued to be perpetuated even to recent times. By in large, Hawaiians maintained a peaceful culture that was in harmony with nature. You really need to study more.
@curatrix2008 Wow...delusional. So according to your logic, I can come to your house with a gun, point it at your head, force you to sign over the deed and call your home mine, and tthere would be nothing you could do about it because you signed on the dotted line.
@curatrix2008 she was forced...study your history better. Your arguments carry no weight. She relied upon the justice of the US to right what was wrong. Originally, president Cleveland agreed and ordered the act illegal. Then greed took over and the theft was made complete. You are truly ignorant of facts.
@psyclox808 how did the force her? scare her? she thought she might get hurt?
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welllll . . . she wasn't much of queen if she wasn't willing to die for her country IF YOUR BULLSHIT THEORY WERE CORRECT.
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within 48 hours after she signed, all other countries with a diplomatic office in hawaii acknowledged the change and supported it. You forget to think back to what it was like then. Who she was and who she wasn't. She knew she couldn't stave off other powers without a protectorate.
@curatrix2008 you spout words with no fact. the committee of public safety, made up of armed persons hired by the sugar interests forced her to sign. The accusations of beheading have all been proven false. She actually changed her mind and agreed on amnesty so long as the rightful government of Hawaii was replaced. These are the same people that planned on assassinating King Kalakaua. An act of treason. You spout only hatred and rascism and show your true colors.
@psyclox808 answer the question I asked before. HOW DID THEY FORCE HER. She never said they beat her up, tortured her. how? . she chose to signe GET OVER IT . SHE CHANGED HER MIND THEN CHANGED HER MIND THEN CHANGED HER MIND . listen carefully then check it out. by the time cleveland abandoned her the entire world believed she was a nut, a savage & hawaii was too important to a wack job. . you want to pretend a fairy tale that isn't true. . she tapped out
@curatrix2008 Did you not read what I said? have you not heard of the comittee of public safety? It was a group of 400 American and European buisness men that used an armed militia to impose their will on both King Kalakaua and Queen Liliuokalani. Know your facts first.
@curatrix2008 be real....If one single white person were killed by any colored Hawaiian she knew that the US would come down hard and kill many Hawaiians, just like what was done to the native americans and mexicans (who also had their land stolen) She did what she did to save Hawaiians from being killed. Just like you would sign the deed of your home to a group of armed men waiting outside to burn it down with your family in it if you didnt.....hello? is that not simple enough to understand?
@curatrix2008 you just said she went around claiming to want to behead the overthrowers. You contradict yourself. If She were to follow your line of thinking, she would've been justified in killing the people involved in the overthrow for treason. Which is it?
@curatrix2008 if you knew your history they already had planned to assassinate the previous king. Look up Bayonet constitution. So what was to stop them with the Queen? a mere barbarian sow according to you
@psyclox808 if you would stop the warm fluffy snuggle into victimhood - take a big boy bill and admit that it all played out on the world stage. no one threatened her life.
no one threatened to burn down the palace. and none of them could have continued without her signature
@curatrix2008 there is no warm fluffy victim. its a horrible tragic loss of soverignty that the US eventually allowed. She was threatened by evidence of the US marines that landed and waited outside the palace. A force that was greater than what she had at her disposal. The Queens mistake wasnt signing, it was relying on the justice of the United States to fix what was clearly illegal. Of which is clearly recorded in time by the US government itself. Both in 1893 and 1993
@psyclox808 NO i wouldn't have muddy the waters by pretending to agree
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lord plenty of leaders throughout history have dared to put their lives on the line
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no one threatened to killer. she never said that. no one threatened to burn down the palace. she never claimed that. it's like a said, she thought she would still play a role and was pissed when she realized they didn't NEED OR WANT her
@curatrix2008 it has nothing to do with playing a role. She signed to prevent bloodshed from the waiting company of US marines. Come on, at least know what you are talking about. Then she hoped and was granted the return of her government by Cleveland. Sanford Dole flatly refused the presidents order.
@curatrix2008 live on in ignorance curatrix...sit at your computer desk at whatever ugly part of the country you live in. I'll hope the best for you while I relax in the warm sunshine and on the beautiful beaches here in Hawaii. I bet you'll sleep well knowing that ignorance, racism and bigotry like yours will live on forever with many people in this world and you get to claim to be one of them.
@curatrix2008 in the end, that is what many Hawaiians struggle with. I know I do. I think often that she should've fought and damn the consequences. But realistically it would've given reason for the US to aim its considerable might on the Hawaiian islands. So in the end the Queen was right. There may not have been any Hawaiians left except what was read about in books. Although it seems you would like that very much
@curatrix2008 so what are your credentials? where do you get your information to make these conclusions? The internet doesnt count. Have you spent years in Hawaii, the place it ocured, to study the topic? I wager that you havent. That you spout words from behind the veil of the internet and havent a clue.
@curatrix2008 There is no arguing with the likes of you. Your racism and bigotry are evident in your words and anger that you display. Live on in your ignorance and feigned knowledge of the history of Hawaii and its people as you sit at your computer some where in the lower 48. Come and visit Hawaii, enjoy the weather, its people and its hospitality. While you are in Hawaii, take some time to really find the truth of what happened.
@psyclox808 ok, let me ask you this. . . if the world didn't support HER SIGNING OFF AND MAINTAINING IT, why wasn't there EVEN ONE SINGLE WORD OF OPPOSITION from any country anywhere in the world. I don't have the entire list in front of me but within 48 hours they all publically acknoledged support of the changeover. Gawd, you come in here with no ammo, just your determination that your fairytale is true.
@psyclox808 - When the Republic of Hawaii was declared on July 4, 1894, immediate recognition was given by every nation with diplomatic relations with Hawaii, except for Britain, whose response came in November 1894. Japanese battleship fleet at Tsushima, refused to accede to the Provisional Government's demands that he strike the colors of the Kingdom, but later lowered the colors on order of the Japanese Government.
@psyclox808 - Every government with a diplomatic presence in Hawaii recognized the Provisional Government within 48 hours of the overthrow, including Chile, Austro-Hungary, Mexico, Russia, the Netherlands, Imperial Germany, Sweden, Spain, Imperial Japan, Italy, Portugal, Imperial Britain, Denmark, Belgium, China, Peru, and France. Britain's response came in November 1894
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the world supported it before it happened and the queen was cutting the best deal she could
@psyclox808 . . . this wasn't just a bunch of good ol' boys having nothing better to do on an afternoon.
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this had been in the works for a long time. remember no phones, everything went by mail via ship back & forth between the countries
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now no doubt, she may very well & probably was assured she was going to play a bigger role in the provinsional government & was pissed as hell when she found out once she signed they no longer needed her and she had no role but that of a show piece
@psyclox808 Look, I mentioned this to you before and here ya go again. If you want to know what was going on, all the documents on both sides of this are pretty much online or available through your local library.
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also, i recommend that you look at the archived back issues of the hawaii paper at the time, the U.S. paper and even those from other countries may be available translated. Britain's Canada's and Australia newspapers would be in english.
@curatrix2008 I majored in Hawaiian studies, am a beneficiary of the Queens trust. I know the history. You are the one that needs to look it up and get your facts straight. Greed on the part of the sugar plantation owners caused the overthrow. Itwas ILLEGAL, plain and simple. Stated as so by the US government in 1993. If you cannot face the facts, then there is no argument. You need to study more than just through the internet from somewhere thousands of miles away.
@psyclox808 yes yes where killer king kamehameha used western advisors and western weapons to kill the other kings. LOL and where kamehameha set up his monarchy based on european monarchy. PRETTY SOPHMORIC
@curatrix2008 Go learn a little, then Maybe your words will have some weight to them Until then, you are nothing more than a racist that uses hate and disgusting descriptions of our former queen to push your point.
@curatrix2008 you can start with some of these books-
-La Croix, Summer and Christopher Grandy. “The Political Instability of Reciprocal Trade and the Overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom”. The Journal of Economic History 57, no. 1
Love, Eric T. Race Over Empire: Racism and Imperialism 1865-1900. Chapel Hill, NorthCarolina: University of North Carolina Press,
-Stevens, Sylvester K. American Expansion in Hawaii: 1842-1898. New York: Russell &Russell,
@psyclox808 one finally point here, at that period, most educated people kept journals or diaries. So all the main players papers are available to you including your queen princess and the leaders of the provinsional government and government officials and private citizens.
@psyclox808 After she signed it over she might have regretted it and pled for assistance from Cleveland. He did agree to help her PROVIDING everyone involved was given amnesty. She had been running around like deranged hippo screaming she was going to behead all her enemies.
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She declined Cleveland's offer cause the fat ol sow insisted on her demand for blood lust and beheading. With that type of barbarity and savage display, her enemies marketed her as a maniac. Cleveland was helpless
American Colonialism. Give Hawaii and Hawaii's culture back. This film looks horrible. It's The New World in Hawaii. Once again I feel ashamed to be American. Native Cultures have more right to them then Western culture. They respected the earth and each other. Showing this through their "pagan" religion and daily life.
She may seem nice, but before the white man brought Christianity and civilization they were a bunch of pagans with crazy culture. Ill take being an American citizen with inalienable rights any day, thanks
@bebegrl808 Worshiping pagan gods, divine right rule by a queen or king? What a throw back to terrible times. The beach is nice, the culture is backwards
@labartic Hey fuck you!! You don't konw shit about Hawaii. So shut your bitch ass mouth and keep wanking to your mother. You fuck. Have you any idea how Americans fucked over the Kings and Queens?? Thats right you don't, fuck you.
R U a Christian or something?? hating on believing in more than one god? Just cuz you believe in something that the Hawaiians don't doesn't mean that our culture is backwards.
America and England, Europe in general makes me feel ill
Applebaum 4 weeks ago
I hate what they've done to our people... but then... if they didn't do it, someone else would have... I wish things were different... i want our people to have power once again. I want us to be strong. i want our culture back, our language, our LAND. i want HAWAI'I to be given BACK to the HAWAIIANS.
KuNakoa 1 month ago 2
wow, wen did this come out? i dnt remember seeing any trailers about it on tv but it looks good! i wanna watch.
11rainyday 1 month ago
wow ! it looks really good !
H3H27 2 months ago
she also played Pocahontas in The New World. She is a beautiful actress who often plays indigenous princesses who changed the course of history. I could not imagine a better career.
DawsonDreamer 2 months ago 3
@DawsonDreamer Pocahontas was not a princess. There were/are no Kings, Queens, or Princesses in the Powhatan tribe. She was the Chief's daughter.
MutantEnemyGirl 3 weeks ago
i heard about this movie a while back but am just now seeing the preview. it looks good. is it accurate?
2004dale 3 months ago
people say america is never bias or anything, but stories like this were never taught to me in school until i went out and actually research. it is stories like this that makes me want to be a journalist.
Sweetiegirl18 4 months ago 6
If I recall correctly, there was no even romance in the history books regarding Princess Kaiulani. It was a ploy for the producers to to market it to the mainland market, instead of it being considered a 'documentary', its now considered a 'romance'. Thats why its 'based' on the real story.
HawaiianHauntings 4 months ago
Hawaii may be a U.S. state, but it rich in its own culture. A lovely island filled with amazing people and an almost haunting past. I think it is one of the greatest places to live in in the whole world.
nekominachan 5 months ago 2
she's stunning! what's her name?
ohdamnipopbubbles 6 months ago
@ohdamnipopbubbles her name is Q'orianka Kilcher. she was Pocahontas in The New World
SinfulAlchemist 6 months ago
So do I and I was born American ( Louisiana) but lived in Hawaii for 30 years. I love Hawaii culture more than My own.....Aloha! Anakonia
anakoniawing 7 months ago
@Frantzu Check out The New World which came out in 2005 directed by Terrence Malick. Kilcher plays Pocahontas in that movie and Colin Farrel is John Smith, Christian Bale is John Rolfe. The first time I saw the movie I thought it was ok and a little dragged out but watching it again i've realized the movie is pure poetry and truly a work of art. The romance is great albeit a little inaccurate but better compared to a lot of other movies they put out.
Bootstataboots 9 months ago
Beautiful movie. I think that she did a great job with the acting but the only thing that bothered me and my family is that she is not Hawaiian. She doesn't even really like Hawaiian. It would have been nice if they had gotten a Hawaiian or atleast a Polynesian for the part. I understand why they can't though, considering how they're's not too much of us. But still I would've liked the movie a little better if they did get a true Hawaiian.
EhnaRivekan 9 months ago
@EhnaRivekan I would have liked the movie better if they didn't have so much of the corny love story between her and the English dude. Otherwise the movie was good and interesting. I think Q'orianka Kilcher is a great actress. She did a fine job in The New World also. I agree that it would have been nice if the movie had cast a Native Hawaiian but I've become something of a fan of Kilcher, not only because of her acting but of how she has been active for the rights of Native South Americans.
Bootstataboots 9 months ago 3
Why did I not hear of this movie before? I only ran into it when looking at the dvd shelf at the library. Did it come out in 2010 and was it shown in a good deal of American theaters?
Bootstataboots 11 months ago
@Bootstataboots dude taht is my question! What the hell!? I wanted to watch this movie when it came out in theatres!!! But i barely stumbled across it a month ago. All the good movies pass by without warning.... ;(
yobster2 9 months ago 2
was a very good movie, but quite emotional.. but with beautiful acting!
damaizlondona 11 months ago
ahh... barry pepper <3
phantomlover62992 11 months ago
@phantomlover62992 --- ahhhi love barry pepper you should see himin the mini series movie "the kenndeys"
queenofsheba1000 8 months ago
bati ka ayo
xxxnestorxxx1 11 months ago
The actress is really pretty... i really want to see this...
Blaterator 11 months ago
amazing, why haven't we learned about this in school ever?? i think it's fascinating. And America can be jerks sometimes... :/
jean3tte 1 year ago 7
Apparently, this movie got really bad reviews. Is it really that bad?
pemchem 1 year ago
@pemchem no. i watched it. very emotional
rocksofamountain 11 months ago
the 1 dislike is a bitch lol
PaigeChan130 1 year ago
the movie seemed great but truthfully im a little disappointed in how hollywood adds in things that aren't true. like for example her love life. no one knows if she did or didnt have a relationship in england.i think when producers or movie makers want to make a really good movie they should go with what REALLY happen.it makes the viewers think oh it's just like anyother princess movie.NO!. im polynesian and i know waayy more than what they do.especially my people in hawaii.
gun7taf 1 year ago 7
Turns out Hollywood can indeed make films entertaining to modern audiences without sex, violence or, for that matter, buffoonish bathtroom humor or depressing angsty drama-- apparently it just takes some creativity and good story-telling. Great movie-- see it on kookíca and you'll leave it happy!
deepakmcagiet 1 year ago 3
It doesn't look like that great a movie...but ill give it a try.
Ladykillaable7 1 year ago
it irritates me when people call Hawaiian history "American history"..and call the Hawaiian monarchy "America's only royal family"...i'm almost certain that all the monarchs would be insulted to be called "American monarchs".
kamakanimololani 1 year ago 110
@kamakanimololani Sometimes..I hate being called American.
LucasHiltonVicious16 1 year ago 78
@kamakanimololani True! Historians and History buffs should learn not to mixed and get different types of Histories confused and upside down.
Richard1222ify 8 months ago
@kamakanimololani i don't know any one here in europe who think Hawaï is related to the US. Like Tibet and China
BehelitOutlaw 6 months ago 2
@kamakanimololani brah dats how it is we not americans so dats why we should not be call one american
brah i mean i is one native boy i like surf hunt hula may day all da kine stuff
The808hawaiianboy 4 months ago
@kamakanimololani True that. Hawaiians were never American to begin with.
kanagurlyy01 3 months ago
After finding out about this part of American history, I did not like Dole pineapples. Kaiulani is one of the princesses in the royal diaries series. That;s where I first learned about her, and it is a sad story... but she is a great example to stand up for our countries.
lourdesgirl101 1 year ago
WWOOWW....SHE IS MAKE NEW MOVIE?!...I LOVE HER...TRAILOR IS GR88T & EXCITING!!
BabyIsmellL0ve1on1 1 year ago
Remember that its BASED off the true story its not a documentary. So writers added some "Hollywood" to make it more appealing to other. I watched the movie, its was a great movie. Didn't care too much for the romance. Overall Great Movie.
itskeawe 1 year ago 3
This was a terrible movie. It did no justice to Ka'iulani or her story and even took the liberty of making things up out of thin air. That ankle-fondling creep you see in the trailer, for instance--he didn't even exist in real life. Their whole relationship is trumped up to take up more than half the movie, and there isn't any real depth to it. The writing is dumbed-down, the acting is melodramatic and weak, and the music is tinny. This movie has nothing going for it.
Hippodameia 1 year ago
@Hippodameia Hollywood loves romance, As viewers, it is unfortunate that we do too. Thus, Hollywood embellishes "real-life" romances in all their movies "based on a true story" so that they are more interesting and entertaining. I don't think it's a bad thing though. At least the greater America now knows the general story a pivotal point in Hawaii's history.
mitchsf777 1 year ago
I am ashamed of what America has done to Hawaii, and any other place that stood "in progress's way."
PrincipessaDellOpera 1 year ago 4
I didn't even know this movie was made. I want to see it now!
waterlilyqueen 1 year ago
motherfukin whiteman gotta take evrything movie. what else is new?
veeseee128 1 year ago 4
Um I just love that she played Pocahontas & now she's playing Kaiulani. Too funny lol. Go girl. I wanna see this movie. Is it out on DVD or is gonna play in Theaters?
chattenbox702 1 year ago
@chattenbox702
It just came on on DVD yesterday!
Godsgirljenni 1 year ago
I didn't know they shot in nalo and I live in nalo
GgBabez95 1 year ago
godamn westeners always colonizing in other peoples land. anyways, how did a british colony turn into american state?
JUKIO01 1 year ago
Yay!! We finally got some history from one of the native peoples of America, can't wait to see it!! It looks great!!
RoseBaggins 1 year ago
ehhh! to dat dumb haole hu was saying us hawaiians jus do barbaric acks! ehhh u kno wut i tink we can lick ur ass! so BAK OFF U DUMB HAOLE!!
anela5899162 1 year ago
lol wat r u guyz fighting about
invisiblegurl123 1 year ago
Can't wait to see the movie.... so not getting in this debate.... like all history it's not pretty lots of it was cruel and without justice, but we must learn from it and be a stronger person
devilishdrama 1 year ago
Man i sooo want to watch this movie ,i can't find it anywhere!!!
carolinesalv 1 year ago
gay. this movie is sooo haole...and her chin is fricken nuts!
noleytube 1 year ago
I honestly can't wait to see the movie! It's bound to be a great one!!
eicarlson92 1 year ago
this movie looks junk & looks lyk its gunna piss me off. or jus be irraz. & every1 jus needs 2 shut up & chill. LIGHT 1 UP 4 DA HAWAIIANZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kamaksgurl 1 year ago
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joshua81em 1 year ago
Awesome. cant wait to watch this. I wish one day they will make a movie about us polys travelling on the first boat to the south pacific. that would be in equivalent today as travelling to Mars.
vitisurfer 1 year ago
Every time I look into the "American History" is always makes me feel ashamed to be American... All those disgusting immigrants from Britain taking over land by war and overthrow. But that's what ya get from HIStory.
101mahina 1 year ago 18
@101mahina
It was a hardball world in which you now benefit. When you look at past history you can not apply today's genteel morality to another time and era. You must get into the mindset of the time. Another way to look at it would be, if all the electric power went off, what would the world look like? Think about it.
AQuietNight 1 year ago
@101mahina
you can look into the history of any country and find terrible things. some worse than others. the usa is relatively young, so it has less history. i don't think its history is that bad.
jadeyes914 1 year ago
808 forever! You stupid ignorant haoles! Never part of USA ! My country will always hate haoles!
melody96732 1 year ago
That's true that 808 person well I live in the 808 too so please respect if you don't live in the islands and if your really rascis
melody96732 1 year ago
@melody96732 808 = imperialistic Yankee telephone area code
joshua81em 1 year ago
To my fellow Hawaiians I been reading some of the comments left in here by Non-Hawns and I must say Please just let it go. We do no Honor to Our Princess or Ourselves by bickering back and forth with them. Especially under a video for a movie that is in its own way meant to Honor Her & Us. B/c u know as well as I do that there is always going to be someone with an opinion. Let's not debase ourselves for their entertainment. We know who we are as a people. Let that be enough for now.
MySide808 1 year ago 46
@MySide808 you are so right. what we learn here in hawaii is our history. no one else knows the fullness of it but us.
mickslove808 1 year ago
@mickslove808 Mahalo Nui Loa my sister. :)
MySide808 1 year ago
@MySide808 it seems like when there is a beautiful women in a non white culture they create a story which ends up in a movie like Kaiulani and associate the woman with a white american guy. i guess they feel they are entitled to do anything they want. pathetic. glad i'm not white
boywaimea 1 year ago 3
@boywaimea Not necessarily a white 'American" guy; just a white guy. His nationality doesn't matter.
Hibbs4Prez 1 year ago
I can't wait to watch this movie based on the life of Our Beloved and Beautiful Princess.
MySide808 1 year ago
Man back in the day Europeans sure did love to call people with darker skin "barbarians", when they were the ones who were truly barbaric. Ugh pisses me off still! lol.. This looks like it will be a good movie. :-)
cutiepiedev 1 year ago 2
when is this coming out????? i really want to see it!
dramaqueen465 1 year ago
does anyone know why my comment was removed? E Kanaka Maoli! We know our history. Let this ignorant person make ignorant comments! We know who our kupuna were. We know the struggles they went through! We know the stregnth of Kanaka Maoli! THEY should look back in history to see who the real savages and barbarians were. Everything "wrong" the Hawaiians did, the Westerners did ten times worse. They want to judge our history? They should learn theirs first! Who are the savages? THEY ARE!
kidsoljah 1 year ago 2
@kidsoljah yep. come hawaiians, we all know the history. its burned deep in our hearts. these haoles know nothing bout the aloha spirit. we in the islands do. just ignore them ok kanakas. we know, they dont. tke care and aloha
Keliiholokai89 1 year ago
you also continue to prove my point that you are no different than the bigoted colonizers who thought that only they could be right. What torturing or execution in Hawaii are you talking about? I think you got that confused with the torture perpetuated by America that went on in Abu Graib, or maybe the torture that went on in Guantanamo, or How about ruby ridge? Maybe Waco Texas? If you live in a glass house, maybe you shouldnt throw stones
psyclox808 1 year ago 4
do you mean the civilized America that was one of the last to give up slavery and only recently gave people of color the right to vote? Or do you mean the America that traded guns for drugs and sold them to their own citizens on the street? (look up the Iran-Contra affair) Or maybe the America that is now giving the police the authority to detain without warrant "suspicious" people in Arizona(how many hispanics will be detained vs. perhaps illegal Brits or Canadians)
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kidsoljah 1 year ago
Haha, why am I not surprised by that comment? "Pagans with crazy culture"Its obvious you know nothing about our culture and are no different than the original bigoted colonizers that took whatever they wanted based upon divine right or manifest destiny. Thanks for bringing "civilization" and Christianity to us pagans. Thanks especially for the diseases and greed you brought. Oh, and not to mention the ILLEGAL overthrow of the government and attempting to squash our culture.
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kidsoljah 1 year ago
@psyclox808 The descendants of the missionaries that ILLEGALLY overthrew Lili'uokalani acted in an un-Christian manner! And as for being an American, I honestly believe that the Hawaiian people are owed much more than an apology by the US. Our people were robbed and stripped of our culture. That person has no idea what our kupuna went through and how much pain they suffered just to preserve our culture; a culture that many tourist love to use and abuse! Sorry, I never mean to get "ea" on here!
kidsoljah 1 year ago 2
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Nohea71 1 year ago
@psyclox808 I agree! Those who choose to make comments should choose to make educated comments! How dare he/she call my ancestors pagans and our beautiful culture crazy. Apparently, that person has a very eurocentric way of thinking! Perhaps, he/she should read the history of the kanaka maoli to realize that the Hawaiians of old WERE civilized! They however are just the "Noble Savage" that gets blamed for every wrong, every sin the white man committed! I am a Christian American.
kidsoljah 1 year ago
@kidsoljah To have our Queen thrown into prison was utterly disgusting! How was it treason? To whom? I am Hawaiin! Kanaka Maoli! I am Proud! Hawaii is "My Country" Hawaii belongs to no one! She has her own people and language, her own culture. We are a Nation. I will fight to the death for my people. It is time for Hawaiian leaders to stop fighting over who will rule the Native Hawaiian Nation. Let all of Hawaii and her people be united. It is not about power but about preservation.
Nohea71 1 year ago
@psyclox808 Godless Pagans who dont recognize individual human rights and instead rule by divine authority in their kings, torturing or executing their people at will for superstitious bullshit reasons...
Ill take the constitution and America any day
labartic 1 year ago
@labartic ignorant!
Nohea71 1 year ago
@labartic Alright hold on, let me take notes on how Americans were the most peaceful beings in the world.
...oh wait.
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curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 What knowledge do you have of Hawaiian history or culture? Did you learn watching the Brady Bunch? Because this revisionist history you talk about sure does sound like what was promoted in the 40's and 50's. Hawaiians sitting around pounding poi and making leis. Maybe you should try to learn more instead of remaining ignorant. FACT-Hawaii was stolen. Thats what this is about. America was far more barbaric in its recent history than Hawaii ever was if thats what you want to debate
psyclox808 1 year ago
@psyclox808 maybe you should embrace the truth
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@psyclox808 your queen's signature is on the dotted line.
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 you still dont know....theres a reason why its was called the bayonet constituion...Stolen. Fact
psyclox808 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 if someone comes to your house, kills your wife then threatens to kill your children and points a gun to your head to make you sign over the deed to your home...is that not still stealing.?
psyclox808 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 heres a quote from then US president Grover Cleveland "I instructed Minister Willis to advise the Queen and her supporters of my desire to aid in the restoration of the status existing before the lawless landing of the United States forces at Honolulu on the 16th of January last, if such restoration could be effected upon terms providing for clemency as well as justice to all parties concerned." Its you who need to get your facts straight
psyclox808 1 year ago
@psyclox808 ooooooh so this haolie you believe but all the rest were liars.
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for one thing, he didn't get it through congress LOL
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but do you know why he didn't do more?
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008The US government originally demanded that the queen be reinstated following the original blount report. When faced with pressure from congress a second investigation was made known as the morgan report. This strangely contradicted the original report and said the overthrow was legal. So to answer your question...Greed on the part of congress, and not wanting to bow to the "barbaric" people of Hawaii. Thats why he didnt do more
psyclox808 1 year ago
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psyclox808 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 If thats not enough how about the apology resolution of 1993 which
..."acknowledges that the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii occurred with the active participation of agents and citizens of the United States and further acknowledges that the Native Hawaiian people never directly relinquished to the United States their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people over their national lands" Look it up....translation. Stolen.
psyclox808 1 year ago
@psyclox808 stop lying to yourself.
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remember killer king kamehameha the liar, enticed his rival then murdered him and stole his land and power - he did that without the permission of that kings permission or the permission of his subjects..
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I suppose those baby women you barbaric fools lied to and then tossed in the volcano wanted to give up their lives
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you have a long and bloody history that you just ignore
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 theres no arguing with you if you cannot accept the truth of the matter. its not necessarily bad or good...just the truth. You honestly believe Hawaii gave up its sovereignty willingly? I suppose the native Americans really wanted give up their lands, go to reservations and be given small pox infected blankets according to you.
psyclox808 1 year ago
@psyclox808 when you have the truth laid out in front of you and remain in denial you'll never evolve or win. So, stop lying to yourself.
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I suppose the native americans wanted to give up their land the same what that your the people under the king KILLER KING KAMEHAMEHA LIED TO, MURDERED AND STOLE POWER AND LAND FROM.
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I suppose those baby women you barbaric fools lied to and then tossed in the volcano wanted to give up their lives
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 ok, now you just sound infantile. Are you 12 years old?What are you talking about? the truth that Hawaii was stolen? Because that was true. The truth that wars were fought in order to unite Hawaii by Kamehameha? That was true, as well as his rule that the commoners be left alone and only the warriors fight the wars. I suppose the blacks you lied to, enslaved and only recently gave the right to vote to ( which was only passed in 1965) wasnt barbaric either? Whats your argument?
psyclox808 1 year ago
@psyclox808 the queen signed it over. The document with her signature exists.
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to your next point, hawaii was united with the U.S. as you seem to think it was ok for killer king kamehameha to do. he didn't get the consent of the subjects of the other king.
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i supposed just as barbaric as the incent hawaiians loved so much and as barbaraic as tossing baby women into volcanos for superstitions
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@psyclox808 I suppose your argument would have some merit, if hawaiians didn't also embrace a violent, conquesting culture with some barbaric aspects.
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but now you sound just plain demented
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IT'S OK FOR US HAWNS TO MURDER, KILL LIE DO BARBARIC ACTS.
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but no one else can
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 a violent conquesting culture? Have I ever said that there weren't wars or sacrifices made? Has there been a race of people that didnt go to war? No, but if we are comparing, Hawaii has not even come close to the barbarism shown by the US government that has continued to be perpetuated even to recent times. By in large, Hawaiians maintained a peaceful culture that was in harmony with nature. You really need to study more.
psyclox808 1 year ago
@psyclox808 well, hawn, don't be saying the U.S. like you aren't.
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@psyclox808 THE QUEEN SIGNED OVER HAWAII
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THE DEAL IS DONE
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NO DO OVERS
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REPECT HER DECISION
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 Wow...delusional. So according to your logic, I can come to your house with a gun, point it at your head, force you to sign over the deed and call your home mine, and tthere would be nothing you could do about it because you signed on the dotted line.
psyclox808 1 year ago
@psyclox808 she wasn't forced. as THE QUEEN she had a choice as we all do in all things.
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curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 she was forced...study your history better. Your arguments carry no weight. She relied upon the justice of the US to right what was wrong. Originally, president Cleveland agreed and ordered the act illegal. Then greed took over and the theft was made complete. You are truly ignorant of facts.
psyclox808 1 year ago
@psyclox808 how did the force her? scare her? she thought she might get hurt?
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welllll . . . she wasn't much of queen if she wasn't willing to die for her country IF YOUR BULLSHIT THEORY WERE CORRECT.
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within 48 hours after she signed, all other countries with a diplomatic office in hawaii acknowledged the change and supported it. You forget to think back to what it was like then. Who she was and who she wasn't. She knew she couldn't stave off other powers without a protectorate.
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 you spout words with no fact. the committee of public safety, made up of armed persons hired by the sugar interests forced her to sign. The accusations of beheading have all been proven false. She actually changed her mind and agreed on amnesty so long as the rightful government of Hawaii was replaced. These are the same people that planned on assassinating King Kalakaua. An act of treason. You spout only hatred and rascism and show your true colors.
psyclox808 1 year ago
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 Did you not read what I said? have you not heard of the comittee of public safety? It was a group of 400 American and European buisness men that used an armed militia to impose their will on both King Kalakaua and Queen Liliuokalani. Know your facts first.
psyclox808 1 year ago
@psyclox808 EXCUSE ME but any Queen worth her salt would have died rather than give away her country and her land and people UNLESS SHE WANTED TO
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 be real....If one single white person were killed by any colored Hawaiian she knew that the US would come down hard and kill many Hawaiians, just like what was done to the native americans and mexicans (who also had their land stolen) She did what she did to save Hawaiians from being killed. Just like you would sign the deed of your home to a group of armed men waiting outside to burn it down with your family in it if you didnt.....hello? is that not simple enough to understand?
psyclox808 1 year ago
@psyclox808 she chose to sign. no one said anything about killing whites.
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if she were a real queen worthy to reign and she really didn't want to sign she wouldn't have signed they would not have dared to kill her
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 you just said she went around claiming to want to behead the overthrowers. You contradict yourself. If She were to follow your line of thinking, she would've been justified in killing the people involved in the overthrow for treason. Which is it?
psyclox808 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 if you knew your history they already had planned to assassinate the previous king. Look up Bayonet constitution. So what was to stop them with the Queen? a mere barbarian sow according to you
psyclox808 1 year ago
@psyclox808 if you would stop the warm fluffy snuggle into victimhood - take a big boy bill and admit that it all played out on the world stage. no one threatened her life.
no one threatened to burn down the palace. and none of them could have continued without her signature
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 there is no warm fluffy victim. its a horrible tragic loss of soverignty that the US eventually allowed. She was threatened by evidence of the US marines that landed and waited outside the palace. A force that was greater than what she had at her disposal. The Queens mistake wasnt signing, it was relying on the justice of the United States to fix what was clearly illegal. Of which is clearly recorded in time by the US government itself. Both in 1893 and 1993
psyclox808 1 year ago
@psyclox808 NO i wouldn't have muddy the waters by pretending to agree
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lord plenty of leaders throughout history have dared to put their lives on the line
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no one threatened to killer. she never said that. no one threatened to burn down the palace. she never claimed that. it's like a said, she thought she would still play a role and was pissed when she realized they didn't NEED OR WANT her
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 it has nothing to do with playing a role. She signed to prevent bloodshed from the waiting company of US marines. Come on, at least know what you are talking about. Then she hoped and was granted the return of her government by Cleveland. Sanford Dole flatly refused the presidents order.
psyclox808 1 year ago
@psyclox808 get some rest lil fella. . . dream that they may make you king. lol
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then dream about your koa canoe navy
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nite
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 live on in ignorance curatrix...sit at your computer desk at whatever ugly part of the country you live in. I'll hope the best for you while I relax in the warm sunshine and on the beautiful beaches here in Hawaii. I bet you'll sleep well knowing that ignorance, racism and bigotry like yours will live on forever with many people in this world and you get to claim to be one of them.
psyclox808 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 in the end, that is what many Hawaiians struggle with. I know I do. I think often that she should've fought and damn the consequences. But realistically it would've given reason for the US to aim its considerable might on the Hawaiian islands. So in the end the Queen was right. There may not have been any Hawaiians left except what was read about in books. Although it seems you would like that very much
psyclox808 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 so what are your credentials? where do you get your information to make these conclusions? The internet doesnt count. Have you spent years in Hawaii, the place it ocured, to study the topic? I wager that you havent. That you spout words from behind the veil of the internet and havent a clue.
psyclox808 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 There is no arguing with the likes of you. Your racism and bigotry are evident in your words and anger that you display. Live on in your ignorance and feigned knowledge of the history of Hawaii and its people as you sit at your computer some where in the lower 48. Come and visit Hawaii, enjoy the weather, its people and its hospitality. While you are in Hawaii, take some time to really find the truth of what happened.
psyclox808 1 year ago
@psyclox808 ok, let me ask you this. . . if the world didn't support HER SIGNING OFF AND MAINTAINING IT, why wasn't there EVEN ONE SINGLE WORD OF OPPOSITION from any country anywhere in the world. I don't have the entire list in front of me but within 48 hours they all publically acknoledged support of the changeover. Gawd, you come in here with no ammo, just your determination that your fairytale is true.
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@psyclox808 - When the Republic of Hawaii was declared on July 4, 1894, immediate recognition was given by every nation with diplomatic relations with Hawaii, except for Britain, whose response came in November 1894. Japanese battleship fleet at Tsushima, refused to accede to the Provisional Government's demands that he strike the colors of the Kingdom, but later lowered the colors on order of the Japanese Government.
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@psyclox808 - Every government with a diplomatic presence in Hawaii recognized the Provisional Government within 48 hours of the overthrow, including Chile, Austro-Hungary, Mexico, Russia, the Netherlands, Imperial Germany, Sweden, Spain, Imperial Japan, Italy, Portugal, Imperial Britain, Denmark, Belgium, China, Peru, and France. Britain's response came in November 1894
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the world supported it before it happened and the queen was cutting the best deal she could
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@psyclox808 . . . this wasn't just a bunch of good ol' boys having nothing better to do on an afternoon.
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this had been in the works for a long time. remember no phones, everything went by mail via ship back & forth between the countries
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now no doubt, she may very well & probably was assured she was going to play a bigger role in the provinsional government & was pissed as hell when she found out once she signed they no longer needed her and she had no role but that of a show piece
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@psyclox808 but she did sign and it's over
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@psyclox808 Look, I mentioned this to you before and here ya go again. If you want to know what was going on, all the documents on both sides of this are pretty much online or available through your local library.
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also, i recommend that you look at the archived back issues of the hawaii paper at the time, the U.S. paper and even those from other countries may be available translated. Britain's Canada's and Australia newspapers would be in english.
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curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 I majored in Hawaiian studies, am a beneficiary of the Queens trust. I know the history. You are the one that needs to look it up and get your facts straight. Greed on the part of the sugar plantation owners caused the overthrow. Itwas ILLEGAL, plain and simple. Stated as so by the US government in 1993. If you cannot face the facts, then there is no argument. You need to study more than just through the internet from somewhere thousands of miles away.
psyclox808 1 year ago
@psyclox808 S H E S I G N E D
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 signed doesnt mean a thing if it was forced...what about you cannot process that?
psyclox808 1 year ago
@psyclox808 yes yes where killer king kamehameha used western advisors and western weapons to kill the other kings. LOL and where kamehameha set up his monarchy based on european monarchy. PRETTY SOPHMORIC
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 here are a few more.
Williams, William A. The Tragedy of American Diplomacy. New York: Dell PublishingCompany, Inc., 1959.
_Whitehead, John. “Hawaii: The First and Last Far West?”. The Western Historical Quarterly3, no. 2 (1992)
These are but a few from people that studied the subject.
psyclox808 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 Go learn a little, then Maybe your words will have some weight to them Until then, you are nothing more than a racist that uses hate and disgusting descriptions of our former queen to push your point.
psyclox808 1 year ago
@psyclox808 you cling to your fables cause you don't have the courage to find out the truth. but thx for the wikipedia points hahahahaha
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 you can start with some of these books-
-La Croix, Summer and Christopher Grandy. “The Political Instability of Reciprocal Trade and the Overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom”. The Journal of Economic History 57, no. 1
Love, Eric T. Race Over Empire: Racism and Imperialism 1865-1900. Chapel Hill, NorthCarolina: University of North Carolina Press,
-Stevens, Sylvester K. American Expansion in Hawaii: 1842-1898. New York: Russell &Russell,
psyclox808 1 year ago
@psyclox808 one finally point here, at that period, most educated people kept journals or diaries. So all the main players papers are available to you including your queen princess and the leaders of the provinsional government and government officials and private citizens.
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@psyclox808 After she signed it over she might have regretted it and pled for assistance from Cleveland. He did agree to help her PROVIDING everyone involved was given amnesty. She had been running around like deranged hippo screaming she was going to behead all her enemies.
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She declined Cleveland's offer cause the fat ol sow insisted on her demand for blood lust and beheading. With that type of barbarity and savage display, her enemies marketed her as a maniac. Cleveland was helpless
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@psyclox808 she made her choices. she passed on the help that was offered. It was a done deal. And will remain so.
curatrix2008 1 year ago
American Colonialism. Give Hawaii and Hawaii's culture back. This film looks horrible. It's The New World in Hawaii. Once again I feel ashamed to be American. Native Cultures have more right to them then Western culture. They respected the earth and each other. Showing this through their "pagan" religion and daily life.
Moviebro 1 year ago
She may seem nice, but before the white man brought Christianity and civilization they were a bunch of pagans with crazy culture. Ill take being an American citizen with inalienable rights any day, thanks
labartic 1 year ago
@labartic You're just culturally ignorant.
808raised 1 year ago 3
@labartic How dare u! "pagans with crazy culture" ??? You have no idea about Hawaii's culture.
bebegrl808 1 year ago
@bebegrl808 Worshiping pagan gods, divine right rule by a queen or king? What a throw back to terrible times. The beach is nice, the culture is backwards
labartic 1 year ago
@labartic Hey fuck you!! You don't konw shit about Hawaii. So shut your bitch ass mouth and keep wanking to your mother. You fuck. Have you any idea how Americans fucked over the Kings and Queens?? Thats right you don't, fuck you.
RequiemSoup 1 year ago
@labartic
R U a Christian or something?? hating on believing in more than one god? Just cuz you believe in something that the Hawaiians don't doesn't mean that our culture is backwards.
101mahina 1 year ago
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live4jesus808 1 year ago
@live4jesus808 Ill say whatever I like, bra. If you have a problem with that, you can talk to the business end of a smith and wesson
labartic 1 year ago
@live4jesus808 so hawaiians, somoans, tongans, maoari tahitians or polynesians need special cause they are retarded or cause they are barbaric?
curatrix2008 1 year ago